.17 HMR 7 - Different Ammos at 100Y

[@tar6805]

Just goes to prove every rifle has an ammo that suits it, never seen Winchester ammo group like that in any caliber at any distance.

[@bobcatforever3485]

TAR, Thanks for viewing and commenting. I may have gotten a really good box of ammo? Thanks again and take care.

[@buffalosoutdoors]

I appreciate the work you put into this. Good stuff.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Buffalo's Outdoors, Thank You. I appreciate your viewing and the encouragement of your comment. Take care.

[@jdmbraceyourself695]

Another great video Bobcat

[@bobcatforever3485]

J D M. Thanks. And I appreciate the kind words. Take care.

[@danieloliver9930]

Great Vid - Thank's from Scotland

[@bobcatforever3485]

Daniel. Thanks for viewing and for you comment. I hope everything is going well in Scotland. How is your weather at this time of year? We are 26F right now in Northeast Ohio, but 40F tomorrow. Thanks again and take care.

[@timvest8141]

I think you could definitely shrink those groups on a calm day. That wind looked and sounded pretty fierce.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Tim, Thanks. I tend to agree, especially shooting those light bullets. I was down at the farm a couple days ago with probably a worse wind but I was shooting .44 Mag out of a rifle, probably not much effect on them. Thanks again and take care.

[@jmkhenka]

My CZ 455 spread the shots like yours do on 100 meters, at that point I had 200 rounds or so since cleaning, had no tools for the bore. So I got me a kitt and cleaned it well and it came back to sub MOA groups. Atleast my rifle likes to be clean. Theory is the tight bore combined with the velocity leaves residues in the barrel.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Thanks I appreciate your viewing and commenting. I have shot the .17 a fair amount, I expect it could stand a good cleaning. Thanks again and take care.

[@driverjohns6051]

I have the CZ 452 and 455 in .17hmr. Both shoot the Hornady max 17 grain very well and sub MOA. Great round for ground squirrels.

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@driverjohns6051 Sounds like you have a couple great guns. My gun is a bit more generic, but .17 HMR's are just plane fun to shoot. I have probably not shot my .17 often enough to say what works best in it. I think for the most, my problem is ME! One of my good friends used his .17 to shoot groundhogs, and said that it really did the job. Thanks again.

[@NC-xk1eg]

I agree with you. I think .17's are very sensitive to dirty barrels, in my experience.

[@Threegunmaster]

When testing any rimfire ammo I always shoot 5 groups of 5 rounds to try and average the human factor as much as possible.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Todd. Thanks. I appreciate your viewing and commenting. I have had other make similar comments. I will have to work on doing a better job at that. Some ammos I have a limited supply, but for most of the more common ammos I can do that. Thanks again and take care.

[@markvogel140]

I own a Marlin 17 with a bull barrel, the groups open up also on mine the more the barrel heats up. You had some very nice groups, fun gun to shoot and ammo can still be found. Thanks

[@bobcatforever3485]

Mark, Thanks for viewing and commenting. I think your gun is likely a bit better than mine. Mine is pretty much standard. Other folks have mentioned to me about barrels heating up, but that was usually on the heavier calibers. I expect the .17's also heat up with enough shooting. The .17 is just fun to shoot, and as you said, ammo can still be found. Just for fun, I backed up to 150 yards, I had really poor results, may eventually do a video just to embarrass myself. Thanks again and take care.

[@rob6850]

Looks like good fun

[@bobcatforever3485]

Robert, Thanks for viewing and for your comment. The .17 HMR is easy to shoot and fun to shoot also. Thanks again and take care.

[@AllenGbass]

I love that bench!

[@bobcatforever3485]

Allen, Thanks. The bench has really worked out well. Saw the plans on You Tube, modified it a bit for what I wanted and am pretty happy with it. Thanks again and take care.

[@Go2Sleep87]

I once was a 17HMR hater but after doing my homework & finding out how fast the velocities on these bullets are I went & bought a little badger single shot 17HMR to use as a plinker/survival rifle. This is a fun round to shoot with your kids & the whole family.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Shane, Thanks for viewing and for your comment. I agree with you. The .17 HMR is easy to shoot and those bullets are really moving on. Thanks again and take care.

[@politicalmechanic9501]

The Hornsby v max did ok at 50 yards but the A17 ammo in the 200 round box outperformed my others. I may try the Winchester 20g. Thanks for the video

[@bobcatforever3485]

PM. Thanks. I appreciate your viewing and commenting. I have never shot the A17, I need to get some and give in a try in my gun. Thanks again and take care.

[@xforce708]

Just started video. Wind calls looking tough. Lol

[@bobcatforever3485]

Xforce708. Thanks for taking a look and commenting. Sad to say the wind tends to follow me around. Seems like every time it is warn enough to shoot, the wind blows. Thanks again and take care.

[@kevinforsyth3681]

Great vid I have a CZ in 17 hmr and at 100 it has .5 moa groups with hornady 17 and 20 gr it’s a great cal to shoot

[@bobcatforever3485]

Kevin. Thanks for viewing and commenting. I have heard good things from several other about the CZ's. That is some great shooting you have been doing. I really like shooting the .17 HMR but have not done super great with it. Thanks again and take care.

[@tonylawrence1814]

Happy New Year my Friend ❤🇺🇸👍

[@bobcatforever3485]

Tony, Thanks! And the same to you. Hope you have a great 2021. Take care.

[@junnyjimenez7862]

Good test, greetings from Costa Rica 🇨🇷👍🏼Pura Vida 🇨🇷

[@bobcatforever3485]

Junny, Thank You! Thanks for viewing and commenting. I hope you are doing well in Costa Rica. I expect you have better weather right now than we do here in NE Ohio, USA Thanks again and take care.

[@junnyjimenez7862]

@@bobcatforever3485 yea is summer now hot everyday, saludos hermano 🇨🇷👍🏼

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@junnyjimenez7862 We are just heading into our colder weather for the next few months. Thanks.

[@spotchris2506]

15 gr and 17 gr are for shooting paper. 20gr for fur. griz

[@bobcatforever3485]

Thanks for taking a look and commenting. I will have to remember that because I mostly do paper. Thanks again and take care.

[@michaelhill7927]

All these guys saying great groups....groups like these are exactly why I sold my savage 17 hmr. I'm not blaming the shooter in this video at all...this is just typical results that I've seen and had personally. 25-50 yards it's a good little round, but people overlook the 800 lb gorilla in the room when it gets to 100 yards.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Michael. Thanks for viewing. I also appreciate your commenting and your experience with the 17 HMR. I expect that at least part of the problem on this video is my shooting. I also expect that others could do a better job. Thanks again, Merry Christmas and take care.

[@corneliusthecrowtamer1937]

Not sure if you're aware, but all the .17HMR ammo is loaded by CCI, they just put different head stamps and labels on it. The .20gr XTP and 20gr "Gamepoint" are literally the same bullet. All the VMAX bullets are Hornady bullets with different colored tips. There is a slightly higher velocity load designed for the semi-auto HMR rifles, and there's also the slightly newer CCI VNT which is a thinner, segmented jacket with a polymer tip and supposedly ~100fps faster. The CCI .17gr TNT is also a thinner jacket and a more hollow point. I haven't had bad results with any of them so far in my Henry.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Thanks for viewing and commenting. I did not know that. The information is much appreciated. Thanks again and take care.

[@corneliusthecrowtamer1937]

@@bobcatforever3485 I guess Winchester might load theirs, but I'm not sure. I got a box of CCI TNT yesterday and the seating depths are all visibly different. Some of them are 1.5mm difference from each other. I haven't had this problem with the VMAX or XTP loads yet, but I suppose it could just be that there are bad batches.

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@corneliusthecrowtamer1937 Thanks. That is interesting. I would expect there to be very little variation between these rounds. I agree with what you said it could just the variation from one batch to another. Thanks again and have a good rest of the weekend. Take care.

[@judereimer4060]

The Savage 17 hmr is a great gun, I have myself! Great shootin!

[@judereimer4060]

Those cci bullets for a 22 will fly, decent grouping though

[@bobcatforever3485]

Jude, Thanks Again! I agree, I really like shooting the .17. It's a very accurate gun, I don't always do it justice in my shooting. Stay safe.

[@magnustrygg5632]

Thanks for the video! Im thinking about buying myself a 17HMR barrel for my Sako Quad rifle. I can change between 22LR, 22WMR, 17HMR and 17MACH2. I bought it with the 22LR barrel. God Bless you

[@bobcatforever3485]

Magnus, Thanks For Viewing. Also I appreciate your comment. I think you will like the .17 HMR, it is fun to shoot. Plus the ammo used to be a fair price. That is one slick gun to be able to use four different barrels. I really like that idea. Thanks again, Lord bless you also. Take care.

[@magnustrygg5632]

Thanks mate. Take care you also.

[@aussiefarmer8741]

The trouble with 17 HMR being Rimfire, Unlike .22 There is not a lot of ammo availability to find which will suit your gun. Some rimfires can be finnicky. I have a Lithgow ,I expected better as Im anal about groups. Up to date here in Australia there are only a handful of different bullets to get the right 1 .

[@bobcatforever3485]

AF. Thanks. I appreciate your viewing and commenting. I agree compared to just regular .22 LR the .17 HMR has a lot less choices. A friend of mine used his .17 to take out Ground Hogs that were putting holes all over the palace whereas his .22 LR just seemed to bounce off of them. Maybe .17's will add more choices in the future it seems to be fairly popular here in the States. Great to hear from you in Australia, hope all is well there. Thanks again and take care. PS: I was raised on a small dairy farm, milked a lot of cows and shoveled a lot of manure!

[@jamesstratton4488]

Thanks

[@bobcatforever3485]

James. Thank You! I appreciate your viewing. Take care.

[@ricardotorres9148]

Buen video Sr!!!!

[@bobcatforever3485]

Ricardo, Thanks You! I appreciate your viewing and commenting. Take care.

[@johnhow6971]

Nice video and thanks for sharing. I'm an unlucky owner of about 10 boxes of 50 Hornady ammo with cracked brass. I had stocked up while prices were still low before the Obummer ammo shortage days. Sadly they're mostly just fliers. The new ammo I purchased now in spring of 2024 sure shoots a LOT straighter than the bad batch junk I had bought back in the low price ammo days... Missing just isn't as much fun as hitting the bull's eye. Should the term bull's eye be changed for the wokesters? They might not like such terminology! Skrew them!

[@bobcatforever3485]

John. Thanks. I appreciate your viewing and commenting. Getting a hold of bad ammo is a real bummer especially if you have a few boxes of it. I have a hard enough time hitting the bullseye with good ammo I for sure don't need some isn't right to start with. Good to hear that the new ammo is working well. We do live in a bit of an upside-down world these days. We end up with the tail wagging the dog! Thanks again and take care.

[@NoPro1962]

Great 100 yrd shootn 👍 I’m really liking the Federal V-Max polymer Tip if you can find them.Boy first couple shots thought you were going to run the table 🎯😺Happy New Years 🍻

[@bobcatforever3485]

No Pro, Thanks for viewing. I always appreciate your comments. I will keep an eye out the the Federal ammo. I am pretty sure the gun store near me doesn't have it, last time I was there they were down to maybe two different .17 HMR's (but that was better than a lot of the other ammo). Thanks again and take care. HAPPY NEW YEAR to you also. Lord willing, we will do it again this year!

[@bobcatforever3485]

Allen, Thanks! I actually got the plans for the bench off of You Tube a couple years back and made just a few modifications. I also have a bit smaller bench at 50 yards, not made a heavy as the 100 yard bench. But only had about $50-60 in materials for that one. Thanks again and take care. Happy New Year.

[@michaelwade8862]

Wow, those are some terrible groups from a 17HMR. might want to have the gun checked and give it a serious cleaning. I have a Rugar American, cheap gun, but it shoots dime size groups at 100. Ammo only changes point of aim not much on the group size with my gun.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Michael, Thanks for viewing and commenting. I do really like the .17 HMR, I expect the groups are more on me than the gun. You are doing some great shooting with dime size group, I doubt that I could do that from 50 yards. Again thank for viewing and take care.

[@scottmorgan1016]

Gonna have to get one in that caliber. Looks like it like 20 grain for sure. But I thought that first group of 17gr was not bad. Some rifles like certain ammo. Nice job and love your editing. Take care God bless

[@bobcatforever3485]

Scott Hillbilly, Thanks Much. I agree with you, I think the 20 Gr overall were a bit better. The Hornady 17 Gr is what I have the most of, was also not bad. Thanks again and God bless you and your family also. Happy New Year.

[@reeltime9026]

My ruger precision 17 hmr loves the federals and cci. Groups very nice at 50 and 100. I can shoot pennies at 100 yards with no prb. I just tryed the normas and I'd have to say not very Consistent.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Kevin, Thanks For Viewing and Commenting. That is some really great shooting. I don't think there is any way that I could hit a penny at 100 yards. Keep up the great shooting! Thanks again and take care.

[@hoosierplowboy5299]

Those 17's get downrange quick! But kind of disappointed in most of the groups...good video, though, Bobcat...

[@bobcatforever3485]

Hoosier, Thanks for viewing and commenting. I just re-watched this video and have to agree with you, most of those groups were not as good as they should have been. It was interesting to see how nice the weather was for January 1st in NE Ohio. I have not shot the .17 HMR in a while, may have to repeat a couple of those to see if I can do better. Thanks again and take care.

[@rksando1]

There is a serious flaw in your test. I have found the 17hmr is very accurate, but very sensitive to the wind. Gusty wind or even a strong breeze around trees will open up the groups. I tested a Savage and it preferred Hornady VMAX. My Anschutz preferred CCI TNT and five consecutive 4-shot groups measured .35 .36 .65 .72 .56 CTC. Do the test on a dead calm day and send the rounds down range as fast as possible before the wind changes. I think you will be surprised. Also try shooting with the wind blowing from your 6 oclock and let the barrel cool between groups. I shoot prairie dogs with mine. The wind is often dead calm at sunrise where I shoot so that is when I hunt. 200 yard shots are not a problem. If the wind picks up I head for home rather than waste ammo.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Rksando1. Thanks for view and commenting. I appreciate your comments about how much the wind can affect these small .17 HMR rounds. I will have to find a calm day to shoot the .17 again and see what the best is I can do. Also, you shot some really great groups and even shooting out to 200 yards amazing. Thanks again for sharing you experience with the .17. Take care.

[@rksando1]

@@bobcatforever3485 I did my testing shooting prone with a bipod and rear bag. My groups are also great shooting from a bench with bipod and rear bag. I align the crosshairs without touching the rifle, then I mount the rifle with light pressure at the shoulder and cheek, then shoot. This seems to give me very consistent hold and recoil. My Atlas bipod has a slight amount of give so this gives me a bit of consistent backwards recoil. Interestingly though, my groups were not great with a lead sled. I think it's because I was muscling the rifle onto the target. I've tried timing my shots with my heart beat but haven't had much success because I can't feel my heart beating. Since I was shooting 5 groups for each ammo type, I cleaned the barrel before testing each type. I'm 65 years old so don't let age discourage you. I also avoid drinking coffee because the caffeine makes me shake. Hope you find all the suggestions helpful.

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@rksando1 Thanks, I appreciate all of your input. I may try going back to the bipod and bag over the lead sled, plus I did pick up a bit lighter gun rest that will allow for a bit more recoil and give it a try also. I may also be holding on to the gun a little too much. I am 77 and have stopped drinking anything with caffeine in it a while back. Thanks again and enjoy your evening.

[@Robert-fs1pb]

The wind is caused by all the traffic in the background.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Robert. Thanks for viewing and commenting. Take care.

[@Viper-dc2wm]

I have a Savage 17hmr. It loves Federal V-Shok ammo. ( not TNT).

[@bobcatforever3485]

Viper19, Thanks for viewing. Also I appreciate your comment on the ammo. Take care.

[@josebagaraizar6225]

Una prueba muy completa y que deja claro cuales son las dos mejores municiones en cada gramaje. Gracias!

[@bobcatforever3485]

Joseba, Thanks. I appreciate you viewing and commenting. Sorry, I am unable to read you comment, but I appreciate you doing so. Thanks again and take care.

[@jeanjean4563]

Too bad there are no rimfire cases ready to use for reload yourself, because commercial ammunition lacks accuracy.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Jean Jean. Thanks. I appreciate your viewing and commenting. I expect if we could reload .22's we would need some really accurate scales because the powder load would be pretty small. There seem to be some better .22's out there but they can be fairly expensive. Thanks again and take care.

[@robertharing7031]

Hey bobcat nice shooting I don’t own a 17 so I’m in no way trying to sound critical because I thought your shooting was pretty good I have only shot the Hornady and cci and seemed to do better with the Hornady! But two weeks ago sportsman warehouse had a brand of 17 I didn’t recognize or can’t remember I should have bought a couple hundred rounds for down the road anyway love your laid back aproach and can’t wait to to see more. One thing I do know is that a little wind or a blade of grass and the 17 is off

[@bobcatforever3485]

Robert, Thanks For Viewing. I also appreciate your commenting. Of the ammo I shot in this video, the Hornady 17 Gr is mostly what I have. It seems to shoot really well. I'm not the best shot in the world, so I appreciate your comment about the wind and the grass. I need all the excuses I can come up with for when I miss. I have a hard time getting people to believe it was minor earthquake in NE OH when I miss. Thanks again and take care. Happy New Year.

[@jeanfiorinnicola4421]

Nice!

[@bobcatforever3485]

Jean, Thanks! I appreciate your viewing and commenting. Take care.

[@jeanfiorinnicola4421]

@@bobcatforever3485 thanks for the affection my friend! always continue like this, making your videos in a didactic and interesting way!

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@jeanfiorinnicola4421 Thanks Much!

[@jamesstratton4488]

Minute and 1/2 isn’t bad!

[@bobcatforever3485]

James. Thanks. I appreciate you taking a look and commenting. I could stand to do a bit better, but either way it is always fun shooting. Thanks again and take care.

[@warbuzzard7167]

Your rifle shoots exactly, precisely, completely like mine does. It is, at best, a 1.75 MOA rifle. Most of the time it's worth 3-4 MOA. I can't tell if it's the wind or Savage's barrel or the lackluster accuracy from CCI, who makes all the ammo.

[@bobcatforever3485]

WarBuzzard. Thanks, I appreciate your viewing and commenting. Often times the major problem with my gun/shooting is just me. But some ammos do work better than others. I shot some .22 Mags the other day and it was obvious that one of the ammos was just not as good as the others. Thanks again and take care.

[@xtremearmor]

Cool video! Your Savage seems to like the 20 grain bullets better. I would like to see how the grouping would be at 50 yards.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Thanks, I appreciate your viewing. I did a little 50 yard shooting, but don't think I did all that great. This is an earlier video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKSnZYaEjLaFatE Thanks again and take care.

[@rondavis415]

Winchester works best in my CZ 💥

[@bobcatforever3485]

Ron, Thanks for viewing and commenting. To tell you the truth, I am not sure which ammo is best in my Savage, I need to do more shooting to check that out. I am sure you agree, but the .17 HMR is just a fun gun to shoot. Take care.

[@magaman6353]

Well, you're shooting superlight 17 and 20 grain bullets with a bc of .125 in a bit of a crosswind, so that's going to give you some extra horizontal dispersion. Try it in the morning or evening before the sun gets the wind going. Or maybe it's just a lousy gun. I also bought a Savage17 HMR Model 93R17. And the workmanship was so bad I called the factory foreman up, and got rid of the gun the next day without firing a shot, and replaced it with the Browning T-Bolt version. Or maybe it's a cheap junky scope with parallax problems. Or maybe all of the above. Next time, fire 3 5-shot groups with each ammo type in clam wind. It sometimes helps a bit if you clean the barrel when changing ammo types because the bullet jacket coatings left in the barrel are different. However, my money's on it being a cheap gun or a cheap made-in-China scope. I can't say anymore because I haven't tried out my T-Bolt with a Leupold 3-15 VX-5HD scope. (A higher power scope comes in handy for seeing those tiny holes.)

[@bobcatforever3485]

Maga Man. Thanks. I appreciate your viewing and commenting. I agree I need to get out when there is a bit less wind and see how things go. Likely more often than not the problem is more me than it is the wind! Thanks again and take care.

[@TheOldFatDadGoober]

Nice shooting! You must have won the lottery though, I haven't seen that much ammo in one place in quite some time! 🤣 That 20 grain Hornady round looks like a winner. Sweet group, especially if you disregard that one shot you let the camera man take.

[@bobcatforever3485]

TOFD G. Thank You! Over the past six months or so, the .17 HMR is one of the few ammos that our local gun store has had on the shelves, plus they did not raise the price from what was normal for the past several years. A couple weeks ago, I still was able to get a box of .17's for ~$10 (those were Winchesters 20 Gr 2375 fps). Thanks again and you take care. Happy New Year.

[@TheOldFatDadGoober]

@@bobcatforever3485 Lucky dog! Might have to take a trip up to Ohio. Everything down here is picked clean or 5x the normal price.

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@TheOldFatDadGoober I understand. Most of the ammo that exists up is high end hunting ammo, $35-50 a box of 20. There are no 9's, 380's, 40's, 45's, 357 Mags etc. If you happen to see a stray box it is outlandishly priced. I'll have to go back and see if they still have .17 HMR's. Stay safe.

[@w.m.8946]

How windy was it that day? I understand the wind can really wreak havoc on a .177 caliber bullet.

[@bobcatforever3485]

W. M. Thanks. I appreciate your viewing. I just watched this video again myself and I would say there was very little wind. My cameras are too good at picking up wind noise, so I would say it was a relatively still day. Thanks again and take care.

[@jmkhenka]

Is it no longer true that there is like 2 manufacturers of 17hmr? All versions on the market are made in the same location by the same factory/manufacturer? Thats what i have heard, there are 3 kinds of bullets and they are identical in all regards in my rifle - hornady, federal, cci..

[@bobcatforever3485]

Henrik, Thanks for viewing and commenting. I don't have a answer in regard to the manufacturers of the .17 HMR's. I think you know a lot more about that than I do. With me shooting, I don't think I could say much about the groups, but where the bullets landed in regard to the bull's-eye, I believe is the difference in the ammos. Thanks again and take care. Also, Happy New Year.

[@dougrogers835]

Maybe a dumb question, but did you adjust your scope when moving from 17 gr to 20 gr Thanks for the video as I am new to 17 HMR. I currently have the same model Savage.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Doug. Thanks for viewing and commenting. I'm pretty sure that I did nothing with the scope when switching from 17 Gr to 20 Gr. In reality I maybe should have re-sighted it with that change in ammo, but pretty sure I did not. As you know the .17 is just fun to shoot. Thanks again and take care.

[@miket.5174]

In the background is what appears to be a house and just left of the targets is a truck and small structure. Was it safe shooting in that direction?

[@bobcatforever3485]

Mike, Thanks for viewing and commenting. The building you saw was a ~4' x 8' plastic shed that we store target frames, paper targets, tripods and other stuff we use in doing the shooting videos. The car there is my 2002 Jeep, probably about 20 feet from the targets. Still possibly a little too close to the shooting. Thanks again and take care.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Mike sorry, the bigger building you see in the background is a big two story barn that I spent many hours working in while growing up. There is a farm house about 30 yards or so to the left of the barn. You might see just the edge of it.

[@acevent5759]

That seems like your not zeroed properly

[@bobcatforever3485]

Ace, Thanks for viewing. That could very well be. I need to take the .17, pick one ammo and work on the sight in. Thanks again and take care.

[@mysteremo1]

Go buy a Henry

[@bobcatforever3485]

Thanks for viewing and commenting. That would be a great plan. Thanks again and take care.

[@buckshotaaa]

Hey Bobcat, nice shooting there mate. I am envious of your wonderful range set up, what a lovely location. Your shooting bench is top notch, did you make it yourself? All the best from a miserable cold and wet UK.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Buckshotaaa, Thanks Again. I appreciate your kind words. Were we shoot is actually at the bottom of a hill on the farm where I was raised. We don't live there anymore but still have a little land. I did make the shooting bench, but got some plans from the internet and made a few changes to suit what I wanted. Thanks, I appreciate the comment on the bench, it turned out to work fairly well. We also put a smaller bench at 50 yards, a bit cheaper than the 100 yard bench. Thanks again I appreciate your comments and interest. Take care.

[@timothysajko9934]

Its the shooter not the ammo. Lol

[@bobcatforever3485]

Timothy. Thanks for viewing. Couldn't we blame the ammo, just this once? Thanks again and take care.

[@timothysajko9934]

@@bobcatforever3485 just kidding. Keep up the videos

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@timothysajko9934 Timothy. Thanks, have a great day!

[@albosarge7282]

I have the same rifle and it is junk. You have to shoot a three round group make your adjustment and shoot again the next day. After three shots it is all over the place and it doesn’t matter what ammo. It is not my mounts and it is not my scope I have made sure of that. This is the most disappointing rifle I’ve ever owned

[@bobcatforever3485]

Al, I am not a particular great shoot, but have not experienced that much trouble. I have always enjoyed shooting my .17 HMR as compared to other guns at 100Y. I hope thing turn out better for you. Thanks again and take care.

[@albosarge7282]

@@bobcatforever3485 I am not the best shooter. But I have enough guns and I have shot thousands of rounds and I am better than average. But this is the worst rifle I have ever owned. After three shots the group gets wild the first three are almost always and a half inch group at 100 yards.It sucks because I am a left-handed shooter and had to special order it and now it just sits because I can’t stand to spray bullets all over a target

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@albosarge7282 That is terrible to have a gun that you ordered special and then nave it not perform as it should. Especially being a .17 HMR it should be a great shooter. I have a couple cheaper .22 LR that can spray the bullets around a bit, but that should not happen with a .17 HMR. When that happens, best go to a different gun that you can enjoy shooting. Hang in there.

[@albosarge7282]

@@bobcatforever3485 I have a 30 year old marlin 22 or that shoots great still. I’d like to know how many squirrels and rabbits it’s taken over the years. Guns are like cars sometimes you get a lemon and sometimes you get a diamond. You just never know

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@albosarge7282 I can relate a bit, I also have an old Marlin .22 Bolt action. I expect mine is a bit older than yours, I got it as a kid in the mid 1950's. I had to re-blue it once, but it still runs great. Sounds like you have done some fine shooting over the years, the old Marlin must run well also. Nice talking with you, stay safe.

[@smalliehuntermatthubbard2539]

Grandp's i don't why you're doing a comparison of multiple manufacturers on the same sighting with a specific manufacturer. Each brand should be sighed to the gun. To critique multiple brands on a gun that's been sighted with a specific brand is stupidity.. Then throw in your moving shooting setup.. smdh

[@bobcatforever3485]

Smallie. Thanks for viewing and commenting. For all the ammos I was aiming dead center of the target and let the bullets go where they wanted. That last picture with the Lead Sled gun rest was just to show the gun I didn't shoot off of it. For a better video check this out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5CYZYt5iLp7m7s Thanks again and take care.

[@barrycolla2506]

Hey there,i am trying to understand what the sense of a.17 caliber is....i dont see what it adds to the existing calibers...so please educate me on this one😉...thanks for any answers

[@bobcatforever3485]

Barry. Thanks. I appreciate your viewing and commenting. I will tell you what I think I know about where the .17 HMR fits into things. A friend of mine Jim had a groundhog problem in his backyard. He had been shooting them from about 50 yards with various .22 LR rounds but it seemed as if the .22's just bounced off of their tough skin. So, he picked up a .17 HMR and said that with one hit the groundhogs went down and stayed down. And that is all I know. But the .17's are also just fun to shoot. Thanks again and take care.

[@barrycolla2506]

@@bobcatforever3485 thank you for taking the time to answer my question. It's much appriciated. Warm greetings from the Netherlands 👍

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@barrycolla2506 Barry. Thanks. Warm greeting to you as well from Northeast Ohio, USA. I hope everything is well with you there in the Netherlands. 30+ years ago I flew into Amsterdam and drove to Luxenberg for work. Again, take care.

[@FeckArseIndustries]

Are these groups opening up because the initial shot groups had cold barrels?

[@bobcatforever3485]

SilentFootstep. Thanks for viewing. That could be because the initial shoots would have been taken with a cold barrel. When I do that type of test in the future, I will try to repeat the first ammo again at the end as well. Thanks again for viewing and for your comment. Take care.

[@FeckArseIndustries]

@@bobcatforever3485 Loved your content Bobcat. All the shooters here in the UK are green with envy at your open and free gun laws. Although bizarrely, your government doesn't want you to have suppressors?? Here we are not allowed anything self loading apart from semi auto shotguns but suppressors are readily available for your bolt action rifle. They're kinda deemed a piece of safety equipment, hearing protection and keeping the noise pollution down too.

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@FeckArseIndustries Thanks. Our liberal government that is currently in control hates guns and gun owners. But our constitutions says, "we have the right to bear arms" which has kept this country free from its existence. No country would ever dare to invade the US with ground troops because there are millions upon millions of gun owner with high power guns like .223/5.56, .308 and .30-06 besides all the variations. For each of our gun purchases we do have to go thru a background check, but if you are not a criminal that is no problem. My last two purchases were a .44 Mag handgun and a .22 Mag rifle, I filled out the paperwork, gave the gun shop a copy of my Canceled Carry Permit (optional, but quicker approval) and Driver's license, paid the money and was on my way 30 minutes later. Not sure why suppressors are such a big deal here. You can get them, have to pay $200 for a Tax Stamp, once approved, can then buy the suppressor (fairly expensive). Sorry I rambled; hope you stay well there in the UK. Take care.

[@FeckArseIndustries]

@@bobcatforever3485 Out of your cold dead hands Sir. Salute from the other side of the pond.

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@FeckArseIndustries Thanks. I think that is how a lot of gun owners in this country feel. I never made it to the UK but did end up in Luxembourg a couple times. I was amazed at the building that are much, much older than our country. Take care.