17-Hour Meeting | The Steve Dangle Podcast

[@killakurt6211]

Terry Ryan is an absolute beauty, one of the most passionate guys. Every time I hear him speak his love for the game is off the charts and you can tell he never takes a single second for granted

[@BAddiesOnDeck]

And in the Ball Hockey community... this Dude is a Legend & one of the absolute GOAT's

[@modano1509]

Absolute beauty of a man.

[@jayd5541]

While listening to Terry I found the Athletic article and choked back tears for a guy I'll never meet, never know, but never forget had a yardsale on ice wearing knife shoes on his 47th birthday. Congratulations Terry.

[@Bryan46162]

Nurse is NOT the worst contract in the NHL. He's not even the worst contract on the Oilers... that belongs to Jack Campbell

[@NicoCdawg]

Huberdeau

[@thedankswordsmantm]

True, he's up there though.

[@TheDjcorey19]

I still think Vlasic has the worst deal. I mean he's so bad people forget he still plays

[@DownsyMB]

Lol seems like Nurse+Ceci for 2/3 of the game did just fine shutting down Matthews line. Bouchard+Ekholm was not great defensively last night when assigned to playing vs that line in the 1st period. Bad take by Adam and company, Nurse isn't a 9.25 mil player, but if he was at 7ish like Reilly, I take Nurse over Reilly.

[@matthewshairline4651]

Seth jones??

[@ennok4231]

Terry Ryan is an absolute beauty. He can admit his own shortcomings in hindsight, takes responsibility for his own bad decisions and tries to make things better going forward. Whenever I hear him speak about his experiences, it's uplifting.

[@aspalovin]

Terry Ryan just became one of the greatest moments in SDP history.

[@MrC37]

Maybe the leafs should pay another player 11+ million dollars, perhaps that will help them win

[@brendobaggins]

Martin Jones 8x11 extension?

[@MrC37]

@@brendobagginssounds like a plan

[@shabazzed]

make sure its a forward

[@brendobaggins]

@@shabazzed I’m sure Martin Jones could play forward during games he’s not starting in net

[@deweyw3737]

That’s ok we can afford it, I mean with living rent free in so many leaf haters minds surprised the whole team isn’t on 8x11 contracts

[@pennalty9]

I really hope terry is on the show again when he’s in TO, absolute gem

[@bradyol1]

TR’s dad was my French teacher in middle school. He talks just like his father and this brought me right back to his stories during class.

[@owen_som]

Great interview with Terry. What a amazing guy

[@johnthom5258]

Paying that supermodel 11.5 was the final final final nail in this eras coffin

[@ethanbaranitsky61]

Supermodel is a tad generous

[@TheGunman18]

yeah ofc blame the one guy who has always shown up in the playoffs consistantly for the past few years cause he dresses better than you. the contract works if you let marner go

[@CorrionReap]

​@TheGunman18 he has how many points since it was signed?

[@jonjohnson1978.]

​@@CorrionReap are they interested in winning the regular season or playoffs?. He shows up when it matters

[@CorrionReap]

@jonjohnson1978. apparently they aren't interested in winning in the playoffs.... one series win in 2 decades.

[@jamesbarels469]

Who would you rather have Zach Hyman and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for $10.625M, or, William Nylander @ $11.5M?

[@spatuloso]

Adam being so silly about the Nylander stuff is exactly the kind of cursed energy that haunts the leafs year after year.

[@HouseHippoWrangler]

I think he is just trying to throw Steve off his original rant on LFR. This way there is different content between the two channels. Otherwise, what's the point of listening to both. It's a smart move.

[@motelbobby4104]

​@BigJ5211 yeah really smart to always change your take/mind/focus it definitely makes for reliable sports commentary

[@HouseHippoWrangler]

@@motelbobby4104 I don't recall Adam changing his opinion about anything hastily. Not to say he hasn't. But, is that not allowed? It's definitely not episode to episode. If it bothers you so, why continue to watch?

[@gylduran9217]

@@HouseHippoWrangler Adam was being deliberately pedantic and facetious towards Steve because he deep down doesn't agree that the team is bad. He needs to open his eyes. Steve has been bang on about what the team is FOR YEARS! Wake up!

[@matthewjudge3763]

He's been drinking Alan Walshes Kool-aid.

[@MrMo-kk4xr]

That Tampa / Toronto comparison with the Monolith / snowman analogy was spot on

[@troyfagan1361]

If Manson cross checked any player on Tampa the whole line on the ice would jump him. They stick up for each other. Sadly, the Leafs do not. Btw , Leafs fan here lol

[@kylecalvert4549]

@@troyfagan1361 100%. I'm a Tampa fan and watched them do well in the playoffs but were missing that one THING. Them getting swept by Columbus, albeit embarrassing, was probably the best thing to happen to the franchise from a culture shift perspective. I don't understand how a whole team can see their best player take a cross check like that and think "ah, darn. REF! HEY REF!". After seeing that, teams will try to bulldoze the Leafs more and more. No pushback.

[@byaialele5916]

As an outsider looking in (sens fan) Steve seems to know what hes talking about and others are coping hard haha

[@pomerlain8924]

Because Steve is focused on what matters, which is winning a cup, and Adam and Jesse are just focused on production. It's fine paying 4 forwards, who haven't won anything, over $10M for regular season production, as opposed to playoff success.

[@Chips_95]

Adam’s take is wild… Nylander got paid mostly because of his pace THIS year. If that falls off then he’s clearly overpaid next season and the 7 after it. Leaf fans should be concerned.

[@hunterglasier2066]

The logic that since his contract hasn’t kicked in yet so he can start dogging it is a WILD take

[@DanHD04]

Toronto's very own Huberdeau

[@AJ-ox6yi]

All of Adam's takes are wild. He's a blowhard. He loves to hear himself talk.

[@randysgutful]

He's a fool.

[@jacobjohnson9296]

When your wearing rose colored glasses all the red flags just look like flags

[@markrozario9974]

Huberdeau has 6G and 17P in 43GP this season. Last year: 15G, 55P. $10.5M. Full NMC until 2029-2030. THERE'S your worst contract in the league.

[@cdfmmcc]

Chapeau Monsieur Walsh, l'agent provocateur!

[@HandsomeDanVacationRentals]

Yes this. Although he has looked pretty good the last ten games and actually has 8pts in his last 8 games. Looks like he’s having fun and maybe he’s turned a corner and will be useable. Overpaid still sure but impactful would be nice.

[@kevinborchers3522]

@@HandsomeDanVacationRentalsthere were a lot of underlying metrics during his time in Florida that indicated he wasnt nearly as good as his counting stats looked. That deal was bad from day one

[@michaeljaques77]

Probably the worst, but I'll throw Seth Jones' hat into the ring for worse contract than Nurse as well.

[@BAddiesOnDeck]

​@@cdfmmccWalsh definitely has his fingers on the pulse... cuz as soon as the trade was done... HE KNEW he had to get the Goudreau deal... cuz he probably knew things about Calgary that we didn't know!!

[@eskiebruh]

Adam literally a week ago said jake sanderson isnt an 8 million dollar player, even tho his contract doesnt start till next year. But apperintly that same logic doesnt work with nylander.

[@TheFlizash]

When Dubas left, or got canned, or whatever happened, the glue left the team. When I heard Treliving was the new GM, I just shook my head. This team has shackled themselves to some great players. Expensive players. When is it Shanahan's fault. When is he held accountable? Too much meddling from the higher-ups that should worry about what their jobs entail, and let the people that are hired to do a job, do a job. Keefe has a fucked up stupid set of ingredients to cook with. He'll be looking for a new job next year after the Leafs are booted out of the first round. The highly paid stars will be piled on. Treliving will be sliced to bits. Shanahan? ......that's the turd to flush at this point.

[@freetimeflip6438]

The leafs aren't afraid of the coaches.. We need a coach that makes them run up steep 30m hills with 20lbs on their backs. walk down and instantly sprint back up..until they all throw up.. You play irresponsibly and lose carelessly thats what we are doing right after the game.. Then thats practice tomorrow as well. Running its the coaches fault they need to be more fit. They dont have to learn how to play hockey. Just so they dont have to run some1 would crash bang and go in and score.

[@uncleike6211]

I guess Adam is perfectly happy to cheer for a mediocre team that loses in the first round every year.

[@pomerlain8924]

To them, it's all about what regular season stats the core puts up. Matthews scoring 60 and Nylander having 100 points is their Stanley Cup.

[@drew10981]

Listening to Terry Ryan talk is so unexpectedly enjoyable. I really would love to buy him a beer and just listen to him telling stories from his days of playing hockey, stories of lessons learned in life. Just, whatever is on his mind. Such an eloquent speaker & excellent story teller. I really hope he is able to parlay all of this into an almost second career in and around hockey.

[@lawrencedavid9728]

This team will never play for each other when 4 guys make a ton and the rest get scraps. I can't blame them.

[@fitzhuu]

I've wondered about this in the context of the locker room. As Jesse's said many times, real office rules don't apply in sports, and everyone knows what everyone else is making. Not saying David Kampf is out there grumbling under his breath every day, but the core four suck up so many resources and there has to be an imbalance (and I say that as someone who loves all of them).

[@lawrencedavid9728]

Yes i don't think there is grumbling because differences in talent and ability are recognizable to the players themselves but it can't be good for your motivation when physical risk is a factor and there are starkly two classes of players here. Why would either side want to play hard for the other ? @@fitzhuu

[@CdnElJefe]

They’re ragging on Nurse saying any AHL dman could could what he does with skill like the Oilers have. Ok then why aren’t all the dmen on the Oilers and Leafs doing it? He’s overpaid for sure but he’s been very good this season.

[@Will-ip8ok]

So cool to hear NLer Terry Ryan on the show. So cool. Would be wicked for you guys to come out for a growlers game sometime!

[@coadster9988]

Terry Ryans a hometown legend. Love to hear from him

[@709mash]

Mount Pearl's own!

[@larrygiles1603]

Adam and Jesse totes fine with the Leafs being what they are. A mid team that will exit the playoffs first round

[@B2Roland]

They think it's good radio to counter Steve's anger with acceptance of this dogshit franchise. They're simps for the blue and white disease.

[@HandsomeDanVacationRentals]

Steve asking who’s contract is worse than Nurse….cut to me screaming Huberdeau at the top of my lungs.

[@iangibbons7942]

Over the last 18 games the Leafs are 7-8-4 with 2 wins against the Sharks, 2 against the Blue Jackets and one against the Ducks. I wouldn't be puffing out your chest saying they are so much better than the Kings over that stretch.

[@NeSeeger]

They only won 1 game over CBJ with 2 OT losses

[@McSomething15]

In LFR Steve called Detroit mid, as well as being on Toronto's heels. Steve, that's because Toronto is mid. Their top end talent is great, their problem is that the rest of the roster is below mid.

[@nothaylz]

nurse is forsure an overpay (market value at the time- which people argue all the time re: the leaf’s core 4) but to call it the worst contract in the NHL is so insane it shows that adam, steven or jesse don’t watch the oilers enough to have the strong enough of opinions has they do.

[@tobiasfrost86]

Their too busy watching their overpaid overhyped, non playoff performing core 4

[@crushdavis7048]

He has had a good 30 game stretch this year. He constantly gets torched in the playoffs and looks completely lost out there. In November not a single person would argue he had hands down the worst contract in the league. I don't think a couple of months of good play validates that contract at all.

[@BlackMasakari]

yup, they're pretty dumb folks pretending to know the oilers, NUrse is playing ver well this season - they'd know, if they'd watch ^^ Bad game vs the leafs though, which only amplifies our arguments about them not watching oilers games.

[@Robdob780]

Agree, Huberdeau is arguably the worst contract in the NHL right now and who was the orchestrator of that fine work? Brad Treliving. Tre is a horrible GM. He let Johnny hockey leave Calgary for nothing, trades Matthew Tkachuck for Huberdeau and Weegar. Flames are not good and now Tre is doing his magic in Toronto. All I can do is laugh.

[@oilerfan1952]

@@crushdavis7048absolutely no one is saying it validates it, most people know the contract isn’t great. But it’s not the worst in the league, Huberdeau is easily the worst I don’t think anyone is close. Nurse isn’t even the worst Oiler contract right now

[@NicoCdawg]

Id argue Huberdeau is worse than nurses contract lol

[@alexanderstark5192]

It is

[@KyleMacSkill]

Way worse lol

[@sammymcsamface9366]

Nurse isn't even the worst contract on the Oilers. Also, Huberdeau is the worst contract in the NHL.

[@TheDjcorey19]

Naw. It's still Vlasic

[@DownsyMB]

​@@TheDjcorey19100%. Everyone seems to forget Vlasic is still in the league and barely a bottom pairing dman at 7.5ish. Huberdeau is also up there

[@trevorrochon6983]

The reason Boston is still elite is cause they not only have Marchand who will literally pick his team up on his back to win but that’s the culture. They have many leaders in net on d and upfront that pick up the team. Pasta macavoy Marchand now coyle ullmatk and swayman. Name a single leaf that does it. Bruins have a team culture where the crest they wear is bigger than the individual and you play for the guy next to you

[@dim4757]

Bruins have their own struggles. It's said a thousand times, but not having a true 1C and not a lot of scoring talent beyond Pasta is going to prove to be a big weakness for them. But you put it very well. Where the Bruins lack in skill in certain positions they make up for in playing for each other and not just themselves. Over a decade of a leadership dynasty of Chara, Bergeron and Marchand - all of which have now been captains mind you - and it's evident that it's being passed down well to guys like McAvoy, Coyle, Pastrnak, Ullmark. The Bruins may not be a juggernaut this year, but you can plainly see that they are a *team*. They have their struggles, they have their weaknesses, they have things they have to work on, but they are a team nonetheless. That is their culture and I dont see it ending anytime soon. With the Leafs, I hate to rag on them but the Leafs look more like just a group of players than an actual team.

[@trevorrochon6983]

@@dim4757 and wait till next year with the 30 million they have in cap

[@mgguygardening]

WOW awesome interview with Ryan! Such a humble man but great speaker and stories.

[@alax1313]

Adam and Jesse are great at complementing Steve's anger with nuance. He challenges them big time sometimes

[@katem32]

Sorry when did we change our minds on Lagesson? He looked more than fine when he was in the lineup. Much better than Gio at least.

[@tonydean44]

Terry Ryan is the best man. What a great story, didn’t know much about him, but man do I want to know more. Definitely gonna buy his book!

[@gravelman]

Incredible episode ending with one of the best guests I’ve herd.

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

Leafs are peaking too soon! They are in top playoffs performance.🎉

[@NXT_LVL]

Willys contract doesnt start until next year: Correct Is it excusable for him to go on a dry spell RIGHT after signing: FK NO At best, its him losing focus since getting the contract. At worst, he knows the Leaf negations were soft and theyre smucks and he's snowed them for 92 MILLION (11.5x8) At best in a normal job based on poor performance after a contract signing for next year, you get a talking to, at worst, they FIRE YOU. Sincerely, a Lightning Fan

[@21SalmingKing]

Doesn't start till next year correct; but is now guaranteed and in place so he can relax (is the point) - and has!

[@ajbolt7]

The fact that the Canucks got Zadorov for a 3rd and a 5th is wild, feels like a price the Leafs easily could’ve afforded lmao

[@Paul-eb9qj]

We got Lafferty for nothing

[@wilseph1]

Do the Leafs even have any picks to deal away?

[@Paul-eb9qj]

@@wilseph1 nope and there up against the cap. They will probably have to trade marner

[@ajbolt7]

@@Paul-eb9qjyeah Lafferty’s been such a treat

[@ajbolt7]

@@wilseph1yeah idk what the situation is like on that front for you guys. For the Canucks one of the picks was actually from the Blackhawks, only one was a Canucks pick.

[@BaneOfV]

Loved the terry ryan section! Great heart, wise man

[@mattwilliamsonguitar]

Playing goalie is so much harder than you realize, its mostly that goalies hate when non-goalies comment on it. Like, you don't fully appreciate it until you've tried it.

[@bexxgenx3165]

The Islanders and the Leafs are basically the Spiderman pointing meme at this point. You guys keep crumbling in the 3rd you'll be right there with us!

[@Tulun1]

Nurse is definitely an overpay but not the worst contract in the NHL. He's been great over this last Oilers couple of win streaks.

[@3flavourscornetto237]

cope

[@AntonioZ.]

If Nurse was paid 7 mill no one would mention anything. Guess no one else in the leauge is overpaid by 2.25 mill

[@mcjesus6524]

⁠@@AntonioZ. can’t speak logic to a leafs fan but good luck. Too bad the oilers didn’t have a stud top pair dman like tj Brodie or a top line forward like Pontus holmberg hahaha

[@rsingh8837]

​@user-ct2dh7oh3h And to add to that, if they didn't keep Nurse by overpaying him by a couple of million, who was available to take his spot? Klingberg? I'd much rather have the Oilers defense with Nurse, overpaid or not, than the Leafs defense or a whole bunch of other defenses in the league. And no point in bringing up guys like Makar because you're not getting guys like him through a trade or free agency. In fact, you're unlikely to find anyone better than Nurse in a trade or free agency. Just look at the last few years of defenseman acquisitions across the league. So yeah, you overpay for Nurse, which isn't great, but I'm happy they can always have one of Nurse or Ekholm out their against top competition than someone like TJ Brodie.

[@cdfmmcc]

The problem with Nurse's contract was the lack of thought and negotiation that went into it. It was a chain reaction reflex signing to the McAvoy and Makar deals. Don't hate the player, hate the GM.

[@andreweich]

Is the Nurse contract bad? 100%. Is it the worst? I think that honor might go down highway 2 to a one Jonathan Huberdeau.

[@rickyma3189]

Highway 2 links Edmonton to Calgary, where does highway 1 go?

[@NicoCdawg]

Zach Hyman

[@dudeguy657]

Zach Hyman

[@KatarinasGarage]

Zach Hyman

[@TheOptimus212]

Zach Hyman

[@coadster9988]

Zach hyman

[@gooberbop1585]

Zach Hyman

[@McWerp]

Dangle slowly losing his mind this season has been hilarious. Thank you for the content gents ❤

[@Caennuck]

Like Jesse said, I think people are forgetting that Dubas said he was basically done with the core four. He said he was looking at everything before Shanny's tantrum. Immediately after he was fired, SHANNY went to meet with all 4 to reinforce the org's commitment to them.

[@randysgutful]

Nobody forgets it, because Dubas said no such thing. He barely even implied changing the core, these guys just love to push the "Dubas was fired for wanting to trade core member" narrative. There's no evidence he was going to trade away any core player, or that he was fired for wanting to. Pure speculation.

[@thomascook3734]

This team need to trade Mitch and fix the defense if not there not winning anything..

[@ponli7532]

Dubas was fired because he said to media he wasn't sure he wanted to be the Maple Leaf GM anymore. That was a red line for Shanahan. End of story.

[@Caennuck]

@@ponli7532 Incorrect. It came out afterward that he wanted autonomy to make decisions - effectively pushing Shanahan out. Shanny had a tantrum and fired him.

[@Caennuck]

@@randysgutful I never said he was fired for that. He was fired for basically trying to push Shanahan out of decision making role. Isolated from that, he did threaten to look at the future of the core four, and Shanahan immediately met with the core four afterwards to commit to keeping them. All can be true. Never said one cause the other.

[@mitch2764]

Reaves is no longer on the active roster. His sole responsibility is now securing dinner reservations for the team and provided ass slaps.

[@greggonsoulin]

So I was building a deck for my house a while back. My budget was $835. I decided to start building the framing and supports for it instead of budgeting out for all the materials in advance. When I got done building the framing and supports for it I realized that I had almost no money left for the top of the deck. Luckily my local hardware store has a bargen lumber section with wood that isn't as nice or sturdy as the normal lumber. I got what I could afford from it and went to work finishing the deck build. Unfortunately I ran out of materials and I ended up having to leave some gaps in the deck. It still works as a functional deck though there are some small gaps in it. Luckily only a couple of the cheap bargain board have broken due to wear on the cheap lumber. It's still a deck though and the framing and supports are amazing. This is 100% and anecdote for the situation the leafs are in and as a non leaf fan it is pretty obvious how yall are in the situation that yall are in.

[@benjaminstang1780]

Love the Terry Ryan feature! Ball hockey stud

[@AB.a1.6]

How is Nurse the worst contract when we have Jonathan Huberdeau . Clearly yall don’t watch the Oilers

[@alexanderstark5192]

Campbell is worse as well lol not even in the NHL

[@AB.a1.6]

True, Campbell is a hellish deal

[@geebster.]

Did Adam really argue that contract years dont exist? That players dont play better for a contract then dont match that after? Seriously? The fact his deal starts next year doesnt excuse poor play right now.

[@randysgutful]

I think he's mostly joking because its obviously a terrible opinion to try and argue.

[@people3865]

"It's definitely the 3rd string goalie making league minimum, and Brodie making 5m" lmao

[@anthonycooper9295]

Damn, that Terry Ryan interview was fantastic

[@josephboghossian8399]

Chicago would welcome Marner to play with Bedard next year.

[@fourstew]

Nurse isn't even close to the worst contract in hockey. Huberdeau, Seth Jones, Seguin, Chiarot, Vlasic, all easily worse contracts but it wouldn't be an SDPN episode without them going on about something they know little about

[@mixuzi4042]

You don't seem to realize that Nurse is worth 5m in his best day. They might know little about it but its more than you do

[@dolewhiplash]

When you're talking about Tampa having their struggles this season, one thing I'd keep in mind too is that they've been extremely injured this year. They're third in the league in number of players used (behind Chicago and San Jose), and have had Vasy, Sergachev, Cernak, Jeannot, Stamkos, Hedman, Motte, Sheary, and Fleury all miss multiple games for injury.

[@kylecalvert4549]

That's an interesting point that I didn't realize even as a TBL fan (I knew they had a lot of injuries but I didnt realize it added up to that much). I still don't love that excuse though for Tampa only because before they've been a plug and play team. A team that would score and really make you work for goals and now Tampa's D is non existent at times and they run 1 and half offense lines.

[@dolewhiplash]

@kylecalvert4549 yeah I mean they definitely could have been better than they've been, so I'm not meaning it as an excuse as much as I'm just saying in counter to their point about this being the way the Leafs were designed, I don't think when the Lightning drew up plans for the season they had running a Johansson/Tomkins tandem and Calvin DeHaan as their 2D for multiple months in the plans.

[@wrocha514]

@@kylecalvert4549 they have 2 sophmore dmen and 2 rookies of course their d have been nonexistent

[@jonjohnson1978.]

Great interview with Terry Ryan

[@SimonBonisteel]

Deadly job in getting Terry Ryan on the pod, boys! So, when does he start his own show on SDP?

[@randysgutful]

Keefe is absolutely one of the problems. How can you see the Leafs get beat year after year and not see that Keefe is the 2nd best coach every time?

[@TheAlaskanfrog]

Holy crap Adam! its not XYZ SECOND LINE PLAYERS! It’s 4 guys, half the cap, NOT PLAYING TO THIER CAP HIT! For years!

[@michaelgreen8715]

Get Terry to pep talk the Leafs!

[@ryanbishop123456789]

If you strip stammer of the captaincy you give it to Hedman no questions asked

[@gordonmacdowell8117]

The time to win was last year, when they had O'Reilly, Schenn, Acciari, and Lafferty. They finally brought in veterans last season who offset the Leafs tendency to shrug at adversity and bow out in the first round. That was the first time they brought in the right veterans that gave them a chance to win and not just a bunch of guys who are also veterans. Now because of being in Eternal Cap Hell, they have to create a new team around the Fab 4 and Rielly every trade deadline. That's the cycle they've been locked into for years and they haven't had a legitimate starting goalie since Andersen. Every offseason, when the Leafs can't find the goalie or defencemen they desperately need, the GM has to show that they do things and spend to the cap on random forwards, so they have no cap space to address defence and goaltending.

[@tonybozzelli287]

Rinse and repeat

[@ozma6918]

Hearing Adam talk about the Marner quote makes so much sense in that weird and awkward position the Leafs are in right now, which makes me wonder... Adam... Wouldn't you like a job as an NHL coach one day? 😂 Or at least maybe PR representative or something? 😂 You're nailing it all down so well!!

[@user-vh9vw7un9b]

The early mistakes made by Dubas cost the Leafs dearly. I know he wanted to make a huge positive impact and prove he was just as good as HHOF Lou. 1) Leafs were not ready to challenge for the cup in 2018-19. This was a team rebuilding. 2) Keep Marleau for a year. Add Seth Jarvis to the Leafs line up 3) Keep Sean Durzi instead of trading for Muzzin. Muzzin was the right player at the wrong time. He would have been perfect for a contender. Instead when the Leafs were actually ready to contend, Muzzin wasnt. 4) Tavares was a 7-8 M a year forward who wanted to be a Leaf. Really wanted. Dubas had the leverage and instead over paid him. 5) For those that say Tavares was offered more. What is the argument for signing Tavares for 11 M. We overpaid him less than other teams would have?

[@KatarinasGarage]

Leafs on a 4 game losing streak. Flames on a 4 game winning streak. Seems fitting.

[@SophiaOtero]

I could listen to TR talk for an hour!

[@Stollen]

For what it's worth, Stamkos doesn't always play on the top line with Kuch and Point. He frequently plays second line with Hagel and occasionally Paul coming to the top line instead

[@montanak833]

The Leafs are on pace to never win a cup with this core, become ass again, then draft Leo Dangle first overall when he is 18

[@AndrewRyan709]

TR has been my favorite guest ever

[@bentomjack3434]

“Darnell Nurse has the worst contract in the NHL” *Seth Jones has entered the chat*

[@coreyshewchuk4246]

"stick tape doesnt matter" - Adam, lol. tell me you've never played hockey without telling me you've never played hockey

[@Chris-qs8gs]

"your job is not to be a jock sniffer" someone needs to tell Mike Wilner this

[@HandsomeDanVacationRentals]

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Calgary came out an ran Toronto’s show tomorrow as they’ve been playing great hockey lately. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Toronto put up 8 on them because Markstroms injured. I hope Wolf gets the start but I suspect it would be Vladar.

[@nickchronis962]

i cant believe i listen to this podcast on spotify but have to come here to comment

[@kdw6582]

nurse contract is terrible but im shocked you didn't throw huberdeaus contract into that conversation of worst in the league

[@alexanderstark5192]

Yeah thats worse

[@charlesbeaulieu-gagnon5454]

The yelling is not necessary. Great podcast otherwise!

[@APisceanSlant]

Loved the TR interview. Great episode, fellas

[@Callis2009]

Adam is so wrong Nylander has his contract Why does he have to try? This year or next He’s signed end of story No care given Will not hear it is part of the problem

[@shabazzed]

hilarious to hear leafs fans try to roast other teams bad contracts. maybe give another forward 11 million a year

[@CelticWarrior2265]

Adam Goggins got me ready to run through a wall 🤣

[@wilseph1]

Could use Adam Goggins is wild!

[@andrewhamp2893]

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[@DavidSupina]

Can you please explain to my tiny Oilers brain how a really good number two defenceman paid like a number one defencemen is a the most overpaid NHL player? “Oh, Makar makes nine million, so Nurse is soooooo overpaid!” Yeah, and if you just cherry pick arguably the single best contract in the NHL and make that the standard almost every NHL defenceman who isn’t on a ELC or bridge deal looks overpaid. Why can you cherry pick Makar’s contract, why can’t I just cherry pick Seth Jones’ contract? Look, what do you think Nurse would get in free agency this summer if he finishes the season the way he is playing now? Is Ekholm overpaid at a little over six? I would argue he’s very slightly underpaid, actually, but Nurse has been about as good. His counting stats are worse, but he’s been a consistent positive impact on the Oilers play, and YOU try to succeed in the NHL while stapled to Cody Ceci while playing top competition. Ceci isn’t bad, but at best, he is a competent second pairing NHL defenceman which means Nurse has had way less help than Bouchard and Ekholm have had in each other. And while he’s off pace from his usual offence, there are two important points of context-Nurse does almost all of his scoring at even strength so he doesn’t get the offensive freebies of just being on the ice with arguably the two greatest power play players of this generation of NHL players, which means all his offence comes where they need the help more, which is even strength. He could easily log 25 minutes and put up 60+ points on the power play if he was in a market that didn’t have the star power ahead of him in this line-up that the Oilers possess. Also, he isn’t that far off his usual forty point pace, he could easily get there, especially because I think this Oilers team has more to give offensively. I am tired of the narrative that the Oilers have a weak defence, because that is simply not true anymore. It stopped being true when they acquired Ekholm last year and it is especially true now with Bouchard emerging as a clear number two defenceman, and possibly a number one defenceman. If you have three number two defencemen, then it can work just as well as having a number one, number two and number three, because it means you can have at least one guy who can hold his own against NHL superstars forty five out of the sixty minutes of a hockey game, and when you can have one o McDavid or Draisaitl on the ice for more than half the game if you have them on separate lines, that’s really valuable. Did Nurse were to be a free agent this year, and he ends playing how he is now, I think he’s a seven million dollar player at fair market value, let alone what he would ACTUALLY get paid because there is always at least one GM who is desperate and talks himself into a big overpay. So how much is he overpaid by, two and a quarter million? He isn’t even the worst contract on the Oilers. You know extreme value contract Zach Hyman? I think based on roster construction, you could make the argument that Nurse is more valuable to them than Hyman. Fifty goals is great, but if Hyman wasn’t there, don’t you think McDavid and Draisaitl would be shooting the puck into the net themselves more to compensate? If you take away Nurse from this roster, you second pairing becomes Kulak-Ceci, which sounds like a decent third pairing, which means you have to hard match Ekholm-Bouchard against tough competition. And let’s not forget having a seven million dollar quality player overpaid by a couple million is not necessarily worse than having a three million dollar player getting paid three million dollars to be very, very mid. Oh hey, I just noticed Cody Ceci makes about three million! What a coincidence! He’s not overpaid, but it means you are asking Cody Ceci to play a top four role consistently, when really he would be more ideally cast as number five defenceman who can fill in on the right side on the second pair when there’s an injury, and basically, be right shot Brett Kulak. But in a hard cap league, where buyouts are costly, roster inefficiencies are almost inevitable. And frankly, the team I cheer for has won eleven straight and the biggest weakness in the roster (there are clear salary cap mismanagement issues, but that’s not what I am talking about) is that I wish this team had a better number four defencemen than Ceci who I still would describe as adequate for that job, then I am clearly nitpicking, and frankly, it goes to show that the supposed weaknesses of the team are pure perception and almost no reality. I don’t blame you guys for being slow to change the narrative on the Oilers, because I get it, you’re primarily doing Leafs coverage and I don’t expect you to be tuned in to the Oilers the way I am anymore than you should expect me as an Oilers fan to know the minutia of Leafs stuff. It took a few years for the narrative of “the Oilers suck despite having the best player in the league” to die down, it took a few years for the narrative of “the Oilers have nobody except McDavid and Draisaitl” to die down once they had some other forwards start scoring. I don’t expect this narrative to change overnight either, I am just here to tell you this is going to be the newest narrative that is going to get overthrown: the Oilers don’t have a weak defence core anymore. They might have the most underrated defence in the league actually. They are led by three defencemen who seem like they were designed in a lab to get overlooked in the NHL. Ekholm is probably their best all around defenceman, and before you jump up and say “see, that proves they’re not that good”, did you see the difference between this team before and after his addition? And you know when they were sucking this year, and all the talk was about how McDavid didn’t look right? Ekholm was I playing hurt too, and he got healthy… right around the same time as McDavid, right around the time of the coaching change. For all the talk about how coaches often go as their goaltenders do, is Paul Coffey really a secret genius defenceman whisperer, or did he just come in right as his bluelinachor got healthy and started being his underrated awesome self again? And maybe Bouchard suddenly emerges because his partner plays the stable, effective game let let’s him be a rover. Bouchard is scoring at an elite clip, but there are two reasons why he is not registering as a top pairing defenceman yet. One, we get used to a player being a star player by reps, and Bouchard hasn’t been sitting among the scoring leaders long enough that him being an elite offensive defenceman has become normal. But he is outscoring established star NHL offensive defencemen. And two, there’s a cultural thing in the NHL where if a player is perceived as defence first, scoring forty or fifty points is a seen as a big deal. But if a player is perceived as offence first, his actual defensive ability is downplayed hard. Alex Pietrangelo is considered a legitimate number one defenceman because he is seen as a defence first guy who puts up reasonable point totals for a defenceman. Why can’t Bouchard be a clear number one defenceman by being the inverse-elite offensively and pretty decent defensively? Shouldn’t offence and defends be weighted evenly, and why are we critical of poor defensive play and never say things like “well Pietrangelo needs to give more offensively” but always harp on anyone who is a little shy of Lidstrom in his prime for not paying good enough defence. finally, I have already said most of what I need to on Nurse, but I will add one thing Oilers fans have been pushing for one of their defencemen to get Norris consideration, and that has been not Bouchard but Nurse. Doesn’t mean it should be taken seriously, but maybe we need to rethink this whole “Nurse is the most overpaid player in the league” narrative.

[@tonybozzelli287]

I wish the Leafs had the cap space to have acquired Ekholm at the time. He brings the whole D together. Good rant 👌

[@569peterson]

Love the Dunk on Nurses Contract. Who would you rather have JT @ 11million or Dri @ 8.5? or Marner @ 11million or Dri @ 8.5

[@rsingh8837]

If I was a Leafs fan, I'd trade the JT contract for Nurse at 9.25 in a heartbeat, overpay or not. And I'm not saying Nurse is better than Tavares. But with the personnel on that team, Nurse would be a lot more valuable than 11.5 for another forward.

[@CorrionReap]

Adam realizes the ltr space Klingberg gives comes off the books too right? XD

[@Marixa1979]

You spend a few minutes talking about how bad Nurse and his contract is the day after he was +1 in a win against your Leafs in 23 minutes of play. He is by far better than any defenseman on the Leafs. Yall are flailing due to cheering for a terrible franchise.

[@anthonyfaccaro7118]

Most every d man contract looks bad if you compare it to makar. As long as Nurse stays healthy and is smart with the puck he will be fine.

[@alexanderstark5192]

​@anthonyfaccaro7118 at his best I think nurse could be a 7 million dollar d. He needs his own ekholm ceci is brutal

[@Marixa1979]

@@alexanderstark5192 If Rielly is a $7+ million defenseman, Nurse is worth more than that for sure. Nurse does everything on the ice, and gets blamed for everything that goes wrong. Makar's contract is absolutely the wrong contract to compare to because it was made while the team held all the control, let's see what his next contract is and compare to that. Seth Jones' contract is a comparable.

[@rsingh8837]

​@@Marixa1979If the leafs had Nurse at an overpaid 9.25 (which is a little high for him) instead of Tavares at 11.5 or whatever, and add another bottom 6 or 2nd or 3rd pairing dman with the 2.25 difference, the Leafs would be a lot better team.

[@TheFroBro11]

Adam is too soft on the core 4. These guys are not being paid for “small victories”. They’re being paid to WIN. Every other player with that salary has the X factor to completely take over a game, except the Leafs.

[@aidandunne5978]

I generally agree that you dont need to have played to understand the game. But goalies? Yeah, you kinda really do. There are so many different variations on how to perform any given task in net that not every goalie can do it the same way. Just as an example, Vasy covers his posts by literally sticking his head out and snake wrapping his back up against and around the thing. Guaranteed no one ever taught him to do that, but it works because it fits his style. Same with judging whether a goal was actually a good goal, or what saves are actually difficult. Sure, there are obvious ones, but there are many times where someone might look and say "ugh, they had to have that" but another goalie will look, recognize the reaction, facial expression, and stance of the guy in net and be able to say "oh, he was actually completely screened and had to guess". Same will happen in reverse. The reaction time needs to be so fast, that most saves you make arr not conscious decisions. You just move, and really you dont know why or how you knew where the puck was. A large number of those instinct saves are the mark of either a great goalie for that level of play, or someone who is just in the zone, and the way to tell is by recognizing the body language from your own experiences. TLDR; Best place to ask for opinions on goalies is from other goalies. There is a lot of nuance to their body language and habits that only another goalie will recognize

[@jakemenu1148]

Bahahhaha "if stammer has a down year, will they pay him less?" How did that theory go with matthews?? Had a down year and got paid more than the rest of nhl

[@JaseboMonkeyRex]

Dangle is right ... With the salaries come expectations and it will be ruthless if they don't perform ... The conversation absolutely needs to be about winning the cup. And it needs to be now... Mathews and Nylander et al aren't getting younger.

[@pomerlain8924]

Exactly. Matthews having multiple 60+ goal seasons does not matter. Nylander being on the verge of his first 100+ point season does not matter. With what these guys are being paid, the Cup should be the only focus. And all we hear from them is they love the city and they want to be a Leaf. Willy is saying he's home and doesn't want to go anywhere else. Too many people are hung up on keeping the talent and having all these skill players, and gloss over the fact that the only thing this group has accomplished is winning one playoff series.

[@B2Roland]

​@@pomerlain8924they love the money and fame. Toronto is whatever

[@fitzhuu]

I love every time Steve mentions a Chappelle's Show sketch. Just saying.

[@TrAvi5link]

The most frustrating thing about the Leafs and their futility has to be that Auston Matthews is carrying this team's offense so hard. Like he is on pace to score nearly 70 goals and this Leafs team looks more incompetent than ever.

[@nolan2235]

Adam “how many goals per game have the oilers scored over their 11 game win streak?” Steve, genuinely “52”

[@user-oi3jz6fv8p]

Adam keeps quoting comments that have been made for over a year that I've never heard him say before; although he claims he has.

[@user-wt3ff6je1q]

objectively is for sure Adam's favourite word.

[@michaelrudd1927]

From Poke-a-Pontus to Pontus Pyman where is that mans 8 year deal 😂😂 Leafs best left wing 😂

[@victorLIMA2010]

Adam, i'm awake 17-18 hours daily, when you work 12-14 of those...so there are crazy people that are awake those kinds of hours

[@dandesjardins2552]

Lmao Snow ❄️ Man 😂😂 Steve with leaves in it for stuffing

[@Powerpuffgirls4lyfe]

Steve the only reason I am excited about a new tv rights content is because I live in Halifax and can RARELY actually SEE a game under the current contract with sportsnet. No issues with the contents when I can see it. Just want to be able to see it.