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[@daviddaniken7248]

Excellent video covering all the main points to consider when purchasing trees. I would add that I mostly agree with "buy the biggest you can" but would add a couple of exceptions. In my experience, almost all trees will generally grow faster when planted as a transplant versus a seedling except for scotch pine. I've tried many 2-1 scotch pine transplants and could not tell the difference several years later between those and 2-0 scotch pine seedlings. White pine give me the most bang for the buck when going bigger, but they get very "leggy" or long and floppy and require a good staking job from the beginning as 2-2 or 2-3 transplants. They do, however, give you a mature Christmas Tree at least one year faster than a 2-0 seedling. One final point: in my experience, 2-0 and 2-1 trees will fare better the first year if you encounter lengthy periods of dry or wet conditions. It seems like the smaller trees are just a little bit more adaptable. Thanks for the video!

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Great points Dave! Thanks! Hope things are going well for you this season

[@dominicruggiero2626]

Flickingers Nursery Retired, I have got trees from them since 2016, I contacted alpha nursery in Michigan for spring planting. I really enjoy your videos, thank you for sharing ❤️

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

I didn't realize that. Thanks for the update.

[@OscarstacyPretty]

Arizona is. Very sunny rather then being only desert so with just my water hose shooting out water it really fun staying at home then working a city job

[@ArielleViking]

Really interesting and informative. I've found it true that with so many different things that the cost per item goes down the bigger the order. 👍

[@mjean190]

I was thinking of doing a tree farm and your info gives me ideas and ways to make it happen for next Christmas Thank you!

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Glad I could help!

[@ummm8511]

Great info. Didn't know the numbering system. Our order was in just in the nick of time but did not have a coice of sizes. And because of nobdy working last year, most state nurseries were short of supply. We went thru the county nursery and only learned about them thru our NRCS office. I am going to try to raise spruce from seed gathered from a couple of 100 year old trees from our property this year, just as an experiment to see if I can do it. A HUGE Thank you for the Nursery List!!!!

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

That's great. Best of luck to you!

[@johnhonaker1913]

Also, sounds like fall planting survival rates are better than spring?

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

If you asked me a few months ago, I would have said absolutely, but I actually don't know yet. We've lost quite a few from last Fall's planting between our dry July and wet August (11 inches of rain in August). I'll have to do a final tally and update in a video here soon

[@4happytreefriends]

I just found your channel and I love it! I'm thinking of starting a Christmas tree farm in the near future and your video are very helpful. I'm currently in the seed business and am not sure if I would be starting from seed and germinating them myself or starting from seedlings. Anyway great info it's awesome getting to see the other side of agriculture. I can't wait to binge watch all your videos!

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Thanks a lot for leaving the comment. Hope you continue to enjoy the videos! There are several live videos that I've done in the past with other tree growers, and they had a lot of excellent insight and experience to share. Let me know if you have any questions.

[@mattconn1131]

Hey just found your channel, great content! I am on my fifth year of planting. Also used to use Flickinger's here in PA, sorry to hear he retired. I've been getting from Musser Forest now, nice quality trees.

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Awesome! Thanks for leaving the comment. I got a Musser Forest catalog this year, but haven't ordered from them yet.

[@jrgenbonde4848]

Quite interesting to follow how the christmas trees are made in your part of the world. Where i come from, north part of Europa, we mainly grow Abies nordmanniana and Norway Spruce for Christmas trees. When mentioning the numbers 2/0 2/1 etc., it does not indicate the number of years in seed bets and as transplants. It refers to the number of growing seasons, which is just a small part of the year. Quite often seedlings are lined out during summer, in that case a s is added to the first number. Finally i have to say the nurseries in the US know how to set prices, in Europa similar trees are way cheeper.

[@Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha9]

Any update on Bosch’s is closed 🙃

[@JAllyFarms]

you may want to add Pine Grove Nursery, Though I have not ordered from them yet they take large and small orders. I am planning on ordering from them as soon as they start to take orders. usually in mid Sept.

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Thanks for the recommendation!

[@travistrammell3424]

Great info thanks

[@donhyler7379]

Thanks for all the amazing info!

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

You're welcome and Thank you for watching!

[@darrengarlough5121]

Very informative vidieo. I ordered from chief river valley and got big plugs of Norway. They sell by the size. 480 dollars for 120 trees 12 to 18 inches. Did I make a mistake?

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

@@darrengarlough5121 I've never ordered from them but have heard mixed feedback. $4/tree is more than Ive paid for similar size Norway's.

[@hunsuckereric541]

Phil- I just discovered you and your videos! I love this. Thanks for the spreadsheet too---awesome. I am looking to start a Christmas tree farm in the coming years. I really appreciate the education and documentation you have been providing. I may be reaching out to you for questions(From North Carolina!). Good stuff. Thanks again, Phil.

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Hello! Welcome to the channel & thanks for watching! Glad you found the info helpful. Reach out anytime. Happy to help any way I can. I hope to see you comment on more videos in the future. Take care!

[@TroyPalenski]

How does the monterey pine grow? There is no pines combs that grow from them to get seeds from so would the branches have to be probigated?

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Sorry, I don't know. I don't have any experience with that variety.

[@dannywilsher4165]

Thanks, very informative. I doubt I will ever farm trees but I would like to get a few different kinds of trees from time to time...

[@barbaraspan1437]

Good information. Thank you! 🎄

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

You are so welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@alanplemmons122]

Great Video!

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Thanks!

[@TheZornstorm]

We are just starting to look into starting a small Christmas tree farm in east Tennessee around Gatlinburg. We are struggling with the best way to get financing for our land. We would like to build our primary residence on the same property as the farm. Do you have any advice?

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Sorry, I don't have too much advice. We financed through the Farm Credit co-op. The process was pretty straightforward for just raw land with 20% down. See if there's a Farm Credit in your area and see what they say.

[@darrengarlough5121]

Do you think plugs are worth the extra money?

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

I haven't had great results with plugs. I think with our hot summers they don't have enough time to establish roots to survive.

[@darrengarlough5121]

@ ok thanks.. do you ever use an sugar to make your hole? It’s always so hard to shove all those roots into the slot that tool makes?

[@johnhonaker1913]

You'll be happy to know I ordered 400 baby Christmas trees from Bosches

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

excellent! best of luck!

[@franksmith7419]

very good video, thank u...

[@katieglauber3083]

How many trees do you plant for the very first season?

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

We did 1200 in our first Spring planting, then followed up with another 600 that same Fall when we had heavy losses in the first planting.

[@lmtreeservices]

Nice video 👍

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Thanks 👍

[@ashleyshrader6679]

Does anyone sell seeds

[@rickmiller1856]

Interesting video. We have used several suppliers. We used Bosch's trees twice. The first time was OK. The second time we received the trees in bad shape. They were not dead but the trees were grown to close together and did not have a pyramid shape all around. MANY did not have a leader, disappointing. Planted 2 years ago and still no leader. Will use for wreaths. Contacted Brian, showed pictures he did nothing. I would not use this company again.

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I've also had mixed quality from Bosch's. Have you tried to tie up any of the laterals to train a leader?

[@rickmiller1856]

@@WoodsTreeFarm Yes we have on some of them. Some we gave up on because of the lop side trees. I figured let them grow and we can use them for other purposes. What really bothered me with Bosch Nursery, was he was not willing to do anything about the problem. He did acknowledge there was some growing issues but that is where it ended. WHY send a bad product? So there are many places to buy trees, unfortunate to have to write about another company....but when someone does not stand by a product when they knew there was a problem than maybe they do not deserve a good review. Good luck with your farm, my wife and I bought a farm that was let go, but now after 8 years it is doing fine. One last thing, we had 100s of over grown trees some 20' tall. We did not have a chance to clear them and replant. IT WAS A GOOD THING. Our first year we had some photographers looking to do family photos. We now have over 50 a year use the farm, they all want our farm because the large and small trees in that field are perfect for photos. So if you have a place to save some for photo purposes you can do pretty well with the photographer fees and like you mentioned with the sunflowers, it brings people in that otherwise would know about the farm. Someday we should talk about sunflowers. The photographers tell me that is big with photos, so we are trying some this year.

[@nevadadesertrat267]

BLAA BLAA BLAA did you actually answer the question or not? Or do you just like listening to yourself talk?

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

A quick look at the video description and you could have answered your own question. Even though I spent several hours assembling, and then have continued to maintain the largest North American supplier list on the internet, I recognize you couldn't be bothered to watch a 12 minute video, or even spend an extra 15 seconds to glance at the video description, and instead thought leaving a low-value comment was your best course of action. A+ to you.