(1745) Twin Disappointment from Wilson Bohannan

[@PocketWomen]

I agree with Brightbulb Photography's assessment that these locks are perhaps fake WB. The inconsistency of the logo and the poor quality of the shackle material makes me think these are a knock off. WB being a family company has such pride in their product that I don't see them allowing their standards to have dropped so low. They have made padlocks the same way for decades on the same precision machines that a new batch of locks would just not come out that poorly made. I think perhaps send these to the company for verification of the truth, fake or real WB's, the company would be able to tell instantly if this came from their factory or not, cheers

[@thelonesawyer8651]

Our company uses these, light tension with a wiper insert and it flies open when picked with another wiper insert. Tickle it with a rake and it won't stay shut. And the bitting is actually decent.

[@Polite_Cat]

I dont understand how a company that has such 'pride' in their product could allow such an easy and well known exploit (shimming) in their locks for decades and not fix it.

[@grumpygus81]

Stunning looking locks for those of us that love all brass locks, shame they've skimped on the bitting and overall quality though.

[@waynejoynes589]

Expecting Bats to fly out🤣 brilliant. Always enjoy your vids Bill 👍

[@gullreefclub]

I have questions about these locks because prior to Covid purchased three pair of WB locks for customer jobs and the locks and keys I received were first rate as always. I have purchased WB locks for years and never had a keep that did not have the the rough edges knocked off it and the build quality always been great. As far as the key biting remember WB will make locks to anyone specs so who knows if those were off the shelf or customer keys and frankly I think it slightly irresponsible to slam a company without contacting them first.

[@luan6862]

A great deal from Wilson Bohannan. Buy a padlock and get a bumpkey for free.

[@Rmrelectric]

Things just won't be the same with you gone Bill. It won't feel right not seeing new videos from you from now on, but happy retirement and best wishes!!

[@billcarson1966]

"Big enough to walk inside of" LOL Looks to me like a bent coat hanger would have fit. LOL

[@iyeetsecurity922]

I have around 12 of the 50mm variant, and the _easiest_ way is to use the *"Sawtooth"* pick from the GoSo (brass colored) set and a thick wrench (I use the music wire one that came with the aforementioned set) and quickly rake and rock under *very* heavy tension. They open for me in less than 10 seconds even with heavy aging on them. _"Herculock"_ padlocks work the same way, and essentially *are* the same lock. _Keys mean nothing! Happy picking to you!_

[@amateurshooter6054]

Thanks Bill

[@RWBHere]

*Lock-shaped objects.* Thanks Bill.

[@chrisaviolist]

It seems as if this WB lock doesn not have a second locking pawl...the cutout on the longer side of the shackle might merely act as a guide to let the shackle only close when swung into the right angle. I'm not certain in this idea, but I get my intuition from this: Swiveling the open shackle when cylinder is turned does not have any change in resistance no matter how hard or lightly I torque the core. Therefore, my assumption is that the longer, attached end of the shackle does not come into contact with any locking mechanism at all. I'm guessing that this Brass shackled version is #921 according to WB's product catalog from 2020-2024.

[@DonzLockz]

Beautiful all brass looking locks. Shame the quality is going down the tubes. :/

[@TimDBarnett]

I happened to get one of the slightly older WB padlocks, looks the same as these in the video but the logo is on one side. Same keyway that you have, and was very easy to pick open, and I impressioned a key for it in about 10 minutes. Very low quality, I was expecting better!

[@dansv1]

Most of the time I hear lock guys talk about tolerances, I suspect that the proper term is clearance Tolerance refers to acceptable deviation from the nominal dimension in manufacturing. Clearance is the space between adjacent parts.

[@237photo]

What a fancy zip tie

[@TheManasekp]

I have lock with bitting so terrible I can open it with straight piece of wiper insert dragged from back to front a few times.

[@mikestone9129]

I'm new to the hobby and can't figure out how you know how much tension to use when trying a new lock. What are you looking for?

[@bosnianbill]

Mike, there is no RIGHT answer. I try heavy tension first (where the tensioner leaves a dent in my finger). If that fails, then I try light tension (where I'm barely holding the tensioner in place). If THAT doesn't work, try tensions in between until you find one that offers the best feedback. Trial and error. Also, the more you pick, the easier it will get.

[@mikestone9129]

@@bosnianbill Thanks for the help. I'll keep trying, love your videos.

[@jonminer9891]

Oh, woe is MasterLock. When anything really bad is compared to given Brand, it is a pitiful circumstance. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!

[@parapicktog7734]

"BATS" LOL. what was that..5 pins? All identical? I bet you could open it with a wafer jiggler fast enough anyone watching would think you used a key.

[@adamjuhasz4488]

Always wanted a wb padlock

[@jwn5]

Literally just got one of the old ones, should be fun

[@adamjuhasz4488]

What is the model number

[@MA-lq6eb]

SHRING, SHRING...WHO'S THERE? BB, I'M HERE TO PICK YOUR LOCK!...LOL.😅 👍

[@plug4uk696]

Question : Are those genuine models or a copycat rip-off? I ask because I could see quite striking differences just between those two locks. Sorry, Just noticed @Pocket Women & @BrightBulb Photography comments are along the same lines.. Eagle eyes Lol ;-)

[@paddlefaster]

I expect bats to fly out. Laughed at that comment.

[@RicoSF415]

Hahaha...He said the key way so wide open he wouldnt be surprised if bats don't fly out of it..lol

[@benfairhall5331]

Can locks with bad tolerances make them hard to pick as well?

[@Melds]

If the pins are really rough they can work like security pins, but bad tolerance like poor alignment of the chambers makes it easier since it amplifies the binding order.

[@PINKFL0YD-s2h]

Oh no!

[@ryanroberts1104]

Hmmm...wish there was one of these on my power meter. :)

[@backwoodsjunkie08]

Sad to see. After "mastering" master locks i was finally able to open an old WB and it was pretty challenging with the tension! I also just love brass! I have a bunch of old herculocks and WB's in my collection

[@penfold7800]

I've seen some pretty good tiny keyway garage door locks made by WB. I never knew they were Wilson Bohannon. I believe they made motorcycle ignition locks too, a few years ago.

[@KeylessEntry]

Beautiful all brass padlocks😍 I have a couple of the older ones with WB stamped on the front and indeed some can be a tricky pick. I haven't seen these before and they do look questionable as being authentic WBs, if they are real though it's sad.

[@timclark3452]

It looks like it only has one locking paw to me.

[@bosnianbill]

One VISIBLE cutout on the shackle, the other is below the lock body. Indeed, it does have two locking pawls.

[@iggymac3473]

great looking lock to bad not great quality thanks bill

[@jdshenanigans9265]

That looks more like a Chinese copy with a wilson key. The wb looked like it was and engraved with a dremal not stamped.

[@bosnianbill]

Yeah, quality sure has dropped. And no, sadly it isn't a copy. It looks exactly like the one advertised on their website.

[@jdshenanigans9265]

@@bosnianbill thats a shame they use to be a nice lock. You would of thought with all the tribe and others in the lock pick community the locks would get tougher to pick .

[@veggiemanngaming]

Wow. Just. Wow.

[@Antonio_Gallego]

fancy masterlocks

[@darkmann12]

Aw man, they used to be so good...

[@brianjrichman]

The worst insult is to compare them to Master Locks...

[@roysammons2445]

They do look very nice to the eye though.

[@Acknaar]

Lol fancy masterlocks

[@davidcovington901]

"A lot of these are used by power companies for access ways" with easy bitting and sloppy tolerances. Urban exploring, anyone? Thanks, Bill, for lock education in general. When I saw the key I shouted "Rake it! Rock it!" Could not have understood myself last summer. Not even a training lock because it is too easy. Burn!

[@hihu7200]

Remember the rules of lock sport. Do not pick locks that you do not own. If you do not own a lock, only pick it IF you have explicit permission of the owner of the lock to pick it. Also, never pick a lock that is in use. Violate those rules, and you become a criminal.

[@davidcovington901]

@@hihu7200 agree! My comment points out that infrastructure should not be protected by locks worse than Masterlock. In fact, with access ways unlocked, it's still trespassing.

[@fillup40]

WB has been around forever.

[@FusionDeveloper]

Maybe a good for someones first attempt at lockpicking. After the first attempt, they could toss it in the garbage, because you aren't going to learn anything from that.

[@SerbanCMusca-ut8ny]

Those two locks scream chinesium.

[@bosnianbill]

Nope, they are the real deal - made by WB in Ohio, USA

[@skygh]

This is a shame.

[@barrandilltanathlas1177]

And you can't even re-pin them.

[@RIP_Texpert]

Am I the only one who thinks they just took bump keys and pinned them up?

[@bradw0535]

Definitely disappointing to see that. Kinda like brass zipties at that point 😔

[@OryxTheMadGod3]

Double the locks, double the let down

[@michaelgjoyce]

WB stands for Warner Bros. You’d have to be Looney Tunes to use one.

[@johncage3025]

Wow, those were terrible

[@MrJools70]

Shame,nice looking locks

[@ehsnils]

If you want a decent lock that'll put up some picking resistance and still not be overly obnoxious in size or use, look for the Abloy PL3020.

[@William_Borgeson]

I'm a bit upset that they have my initials on that lock Bill.

[@ctged]

You could have bumped it with that bidding. Although a bump key could might have opened it.

[@snowblood82]

I bok with a tok all the time, and I love that yours are colour coded :)

[@rallock67]

Based on what I see I also believe those are fakes. Going by the two WB locks I have, the keys are wrong and the WB should be on the side not the top.

[@billhenderson731]

Agree with previous comments,that these may be ‘knock offs’ (logo just doesn’t look right) Or they could be legitimate but have been outsourced to a cheaper manufacturer? (Less likely, with long standing; highly regarded companies) Shame, you can imagine the disappointment if someone buys these to practice picking.

[@WolfPawArmoury]

Shame.

[@McCuda]

Unfortunately utilities use these locks on high voltage equipment.

[@penfold7800]

Looking at that key, it looks like they cheaped out and put Chinese cores in these. What a shame lock manufacturer's keep doing this. Nice lock body and thick brass hasp, shame about the bean counters

[@netking66]

WB padlocks as far as I can see do not have cores (except their IC type), the pin tumbler holes are drilled in the brass case then plugged when the padlock is pinned up. Anyway they advertise 100% American made so using foreign made plugs etc would be false advertising. Possibly budget prone utilities could be tempted to use imported knock-off's especially if they offered to key them to existing WB keys. WB do need to make their padlocks as economically as possible to stay relevant in their niche market so possibly their products have gone from high quality to acceptable quality. A utility is wanting a durable and reliable padlock probably with a non-standard keyway - pick resistance would be of a secondary concern. In cases where high security is required eg major substation doors and gates, then access control systems or locks with high security mechanisms eg Abloy, BiLock, Medeco or Cyberlock or the like would be used. Conversely a failed padlock (or where key is lost or broken) on a high voltage switch handle must be capable of being removed easily eg with boltcutters.

[@The_Doc_Rocks]

Surely these are fakes? Chinese? Indian? The logos are quite different between the two of them, and neither is a well-done logo. They look hand-scribed, possibly with a Dremel-type tool. Not the stamped logo that the real deal would have had, surely?

[@bosnianbill]

Sorry, both are authentic WB and are exactly like the ones on their website...

[@The_Doc_Rocks]

@@bosnianbill Thanks Bill - appreciate the response. In that case, their quality control has gone down the toilet...!

[@danielhildebrand6892]

Sad trombone. Yet another quality company sent down the river for inferior Chinese quality.

[@ThehoneydoList]

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[@KeylessEntry]

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