1775 vs 1785: A Mini Fashion Revolution || Featuring The Modern Mantuamaker || CoCoVid Online

NOTE: The 2nd half of this video has an error with the sound where it only plays on one side. It's not just you :)
This video is a lecture about the mini fashion revolution that took place between 1775 and 1785. Dr. Carolyn Dowdell (The Modern Mantua-Maker) and I will give presentations on the differences in clothing and accessories during this 10-year span.
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[@KristaHarrisSB]

Excellent presentations! Would love to see something similar for 1785 vs 1795. It’s so interesting to see the changes that happen from decade to decade.

[@DamesalaMode]

There are so many exciting changes that happen in the 1790s! I will keep this in mind for a future video!

[@sarahmwalsh]

Oh yes!!! I would love that!

[@primrose3982]

Honestly, I want a presentation like this for every decade of the 18th century!

[@rudetuesday]

One of the toughest parts of learning more about historical costumes for me is how to explore along a timeline. This was SO helpful!

[@marielefebvre5891]

I really love the explosion of variety by 1785. I didn’t think I liked any of those style of dresses, but I do like the “Levite”. Maybe something to try in the future. Thanks so much!

[@l.m.2404]

Wow! * standing up and heartily applauding * Outstanding lectures, ladies. Concise, well illustrated, very informative... thank you. :)

[@DamesalaMode]

Our pleasure!

[@Tsb702]

BTW, I’m LOOOOOVING this type of content! It’s the best of my two favs, history and 18th century fashion. I wonder if there is a huge difference regionally within the US during this timeframe as well; comparing New Orleans v. NY dresses.

[@dannisjc]

One of the best videos I've come across on 18th century fashion. Going into depth makes the differences I could see before much starker. It would be fascinating seeing similar videos for other periods.

[@elizabethsacktor2818]

I would LOVE more videos like this explaining the difference btw one decade and another for the rest of the century, and other periods as well. I always want to work on training my eye to see those key differences!

[@sarahburke8955]

Very informative! Thanks for all the hard work to put this presentation together; I now have a much clearer picture of the two decades!

[@joannaaugustine2310]

I only meant to watch half of this tonight & save the rest for tomorrow, but it was so interesting I didn’t want to stop and watched the whole thing! The presentation was so interesting, thank you both!

[@anska3090]

Thank you very much for the lovely lecture! When you made that relaxed sigh I was just thinking, that the 1780s version looks a little like the „relaxed Sunday“ version of their rigid, proper predecessors: more effortless and playful.

[@evelyn_r]

Lol 1am Melbourne time, guess I’ll have to watch it when I wake up 😅

[@DamesalaMode]

This wordwide audience thing has really thrown a loop into scheduling lol! There are a few Australian videos I am excited about and they are similarly in the middle of the night for me hahaha!

[@allinielsen9080]

AAAaaaaaaaaaaaa you used the big ass cap portrait of the woman in the red gown from NGA!!! That's seriously one of my favorite portraits in existence - the fichu is on my list of things to make at some point. Thanks so much for this video

[@scarletpimpernelagain9124]

Says everything about modern life that KZbin and various social media platforms are the go to for interesting and highly informative content. Presenters tend not to insult their audiences intelligence whilst providing accurate and interesting visual content. Thank you so much for this, 18th Century dress has been a lifelong interest (🌹I’m 61) and this talk has once more prompted me to make a better investigation of the period. Being English I have an embarrassment of riches to look at (We Brits very rarely throw anything out😉) and I am so grateful to you for the gentle push to find it.

[@theredtower1334]

You and Caroline did a wonderful job. What a difference a decade makes!

[@l.schweig4852]

Thank you, Taylor, Thank you Carolyn! This is full of so much good information. I kept stopping, winding back, and sharpening my pencils. Yeah, I color-coded my notes. There is so much change and I am now able to see more clearly areas that had me confused. Funny thing that while most all else got bigger and softer, the sleeves were the one area to not do so. Then again, how ridiculous would big fluffy sleeves looks with the bigger, softer everything else. This is truly the most helpful presentation I have seen this weekend (though I put the Georgian Jewelry right up there too. Many notes from that as well!

[@DamesalaMode]

Yay! I am so glad to hear it was helpful! So happy you enjoyed it!

[@lizdee2746]

I am loving these presentations! and I am 100% here for this beautiful headscarf you have on :)

[@annemathis5130]

Thoroughly enjoyed this video! Thank you, ladies!! :)

[@katewill7302]

I really enjoyed this video and it is one I will re-watch. it has so much good info!

[@lydiashanklinroll8912]

This was absolutely wonderful! It's so fascinating to see the styles juxtaposed in this way. Thank you both for sharing your knowledge with us!

[@markkleine4626]

I really appreciate this!! This is one of my favourite fashion periods so I was so excited when I came across this video. Thank you 😍

[@DamesalaMode]

Unfortunately I do not have a badge code! Sorry about that!

[@evelyn_r]

while a shame, it's all cool, no worries 👍

[@donkeywithascarf2435]

Super informative! I love these kinds of presentations. Being able to see the differences in some of these gowns can be tough. This helps a lot!

[@tiarabass4625]

This is so extremely helpful especially for the true differences between gown style names and such! Thanks for putting this together and sharing!!!

[@nommh]

That was a great collaboration! Thank you so much.

[@m00nlove]

this is of my favorite videos ever! thank you for this, i adore both 1770s and 1780s so this was such a pleasure to watch

[@themodernmantuamaker8710]

Thank you so much for watching!

[@laurenleigh6478]

Thank you Taylor and Carolyn!! Excellent presentations!

[@DamesalaMode]

Thanks so much, Lauren!

[@themodernmantuamaker8710]

Thanks for watching!

[@misswazzra]

What a fantastic lecture! I love the crisp vs soft summarization!

[@yourbookladykatie]

I forgot to comment when I watched this Saturday! This was a fabulous presentation. It was so neat to see the changes side by side! Everyone talks about how much the fashion changed, but it's hard to understand. This made it very clear. Thank you!

[@mjgbabydragonlet]

An excellent source of information! Thank you BOTH for sharing!

[@themodernmantuamaker8710]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@primrose3982]

Just what I needed! I have been wanting to get more invested in historical reenactment, and the 18th century is my era of choice. Clothing is so exciting, feminine, and elaborate in that era, there's so much to explore! I'm going straight back to rewatch!

[@WilloughbyRose]

This was excellent! Thank you both

[@kzisnbkosplay3346]

Thank you! Now I'm going to go and re-sketch some concept drawings! The first time I drew them I had not chosen a decade, but I have since widdled it down to 1770s, so you have given me a lot of great info!!!

[@unorthodeux]

Very informative. Always looking to learn more about historical fashion. Loved the video!

[@debbralehrman5957]

Thank you to both you ladies wonderful talk well done.

[@tinagriffith841]

Enjoyed the video. Would you do a video on middle class /working class fashion difference between the two decades (1770's- 1780's)?

[@rslocum17]

This is one of my favorite videos this weekend. Thank you so much 😊

[@DamesalaMode]

Wow thank you! There has been some amazing content so that means a lot. So glad you enjoyed it!

[@TheresaHanssen]

I’ve enjoyed both of your videos! This one and the jewelry one!

[@amyosterholm4611]

Great job, both of you, really interesting, a great resource and yummy images!

[@rachelle8802]

This was so interesting and I learned so much! Thank you!

[@jillmlyon2552]

Very helpful, thank you! I am currently finishing what is supposed to be the costume of an affluent Colonial in 1780, so seeing the changes in details makes it much easier to decide directions.

[@kirstenpaff8946]

It's fascinating how much of the popular perception of the 18th century is based on the 1770s. Could you imagine someone saying that all 20th century clothing looked like clothes from the 1970s?

[@devizesregency2382]

Wonderful talk! Want more!

[@frank7411]

So throughout and informative! I really loved this video. I love both decades, but... the 1770's have my heart.

[@jenniferold-dentremont6698]

This was a great lecture with a ton of very specific details. I've got a 1780s project in the works and you've given me a lot of inspiration for how I want to pull it together. Thank you both for putting the work into this well researched and presented video.

[@DamesalaMode]

Glad it was helpful!

[@bjwnyack]

Love, loved this presentation. Thank you! Betsy

[@naminicholson5815]

This was fantastic, I learned so much!

[@shellsmith1737]

I took so many notes, Thank you for a great video.

[@irishlady5051]

Loved this! Thank you so much.

[@czeidman8908]

Really enjoyed this session. thank you.

[@karenbensdon4643]

Now seeing a clear distinction, thanks to your excellent presentations. Repeatedly I wondered what economic changes fueled the increased use of lace, fabric, feathers and other decorations. Though jewelry was more extravagant in the 1770's, man hours to create the additional lace, ruffles, hat decor and hair volume meant something either changed and affected fashion or was changed by the demand in fashion.

[@DamesalaMode]

Those are definitely interesting questions! I wish I knew more about manufacturing and sourcing of materials during this era!

[@adagietto2523]

That's really informative, thank you; how about taking it forward over the next ten years?

[@brightcopperkettles]

I don't know why, but I can almost hear the '85 pictures telling the '75 pictures "Oh come on, mom. Relax. It's good enough. It's fun!" and things snowballing from there.

[@DamesalaMode]

Hahaha definitely!

[@HeyCuteEarrings]

I loved this so much

[@chareseshinabery]

Lovely video! Thank you!

[@ArjanvsTheWorld]

Lovely video . Well done

[@hoa7254]

When you look at the front closing bodices from the 1770s you can see remeniscences from Elizabethan styles as well as the 1660s ones. I think fashion repeats itself in its own interpretations, there.

[@jeanneclark99]

Does anyone else think that the lady on the right in Taylor's 1775 hair slide (24:25) looks like Taylor's ancestor? Lots of great detailed information, ladies--thanks!

[@roxannlegg750]

The vanishing of the stomacher and the fashion of cotton bodices that met in the centre - IMHO - were an English fashion trend that correlated with Jean-Jacques Rousseau's movement, which alth the 1770's is about the time he passed away- - the free natural look and lifestyle was beginning to REALLY take hold. You see a throwing off, of the visible boning of the stays and stomachers - to bring in the cotton bodice together, and altho they still used stays obviously, they clearly wanted to not show them and display the dress that represented lack of freedom and natural form. They were upholding simplicity in all areas of life, clean crisp lines. Changes in literature, raising children all were evolving thru the latter half of the 18th C and you see a rise in a change about dress as a whole. Note that these dresses that closed at the front, are frequently found in cotton or linen - representing the natural world, and trying to emulate the epitome of the outdoorsy life, the gardens, and fresh crisp linens and cottons enabled this look, and upheld the values of this movement. We use fashions to communicate what we feel and think inside - and this fundamental shift away from stomachers to me, was a move toward moderising, simplificating life, and this evolved into the cotton muslins of the 1790's. Just my 2 cents worth

[@benmansour8473]

I know I'm late to the party (I'm still working my way through cocovid, lol) but I just wanted to say that this video was *wonderful* and I'd love to see more of this sort of content. It's so nice to have the deep dive on the little, nuanced differences in periods! Thank you so much!

[@DamesalaMode]

I'm so glad!

[@cheerful_something_something]

That was fun, I like looking at how things slowly filter from one distinct shape to another.... but the preciese moment is hard to pinpoint. Thank you!

[@DamesalaMode]

You're welcome!

[@reshefbrokporat2946]

Excellent!

[@aprilmunday1152]

Thank you. I learned a lot.

[@bhavens9149]

Hope Caroline joins you again on other discussions!

[@selkiemorien9006]

Thank you for this wonderful overview! I discovered I prefer the 1785s, I just like the softer look. :)

[@DamesalaMode]

I feel the same way!

[@shevuansereday7421]

Thank you, thank you, and thank you so very much. I am new to costuming. I am just starting reach for 1780 1790. I am going to attempt a dress from this time period. I am having a hard time finding information for lower class dresses and style. I do appreciate the info you provided as I may consent to making a much fancier dress do to research findings

[@magdn1]

It's Louis-Rolland Trinquesse and the dress in his Music Party very obviously doesn't have a waist seam.

[@Tsb702]

0:57 🥰😲😲😲😲 had I know you can get a degree in dress history!!!

[@lakelili]

Really enjoyed that. Thank you. Can either of you tell me if anyone has done anywork to look at how the British military occupation of New Fance after Capitulation in 1770 and through the post-American occupation of Montreal during the American Revolution impacted the availability of fashion?

[@DamesalaMode]

I personally haven't done any research on that, but I do know that in the British colonies in the future United States there was certainly an interruption in fashion consumption during the American Revolution. The vast majority of fabrics and millinery supplies were coming from Europe during this time and there was a limited manufacturing presence in the future US, so access to those materials (and I would assume fashion literature like ladies' magazines) became more scarce. My assumption would be that it was similar in New France, but I don't know of any specific scholarship.

[@lakelili]

@@DamesalaMode Thank you. Appreciated.

[@elizabethclaiborne6461]

My head is spinning!

[@simonecarvallhoartes2614]

Show de bola👍

[@DOSBoxMom]

The polonaise looks like it would have been a practical style for pregnancy, as it would have been more open over an "increasing" front.

[@hetedeleambacht6608]

closed bodice fronts? A stylised version of working class/peasant/maids garments perhaps?

[@davriecaro3036]

Would it be possible that the bodices that open edge to edge at the center front came from the working class women, but eventually it found it's way up? Also on a very unrelated note, When you have jacket with a stomacher do you lace it shut or do you just pin it? . As well as what decade would Bum rolls been more popular?

[@DamesalaMode]

Probably not. It's far more likely that working women would have hung on to the stomacher-front closure longer since it is a much more flexible style as far as sizing goes. A gown that closes edge-to-edge needs to fit perfectly, but a stomacher front has a lot of variation in size. I don't have any historical evidence for that, just a guess based on functionality.

[@lisaowen6103]

Question, was there much of a difference in shoe styles during this time frame?

[@DamesalaMode]

There were some changes, but they are pretty subtle. Shoes became a bit pointer and the heels get narrower. The shoes from 1785 have a generally daintier look to them.

[@celticgoddess81]

Very interesting. I'm definitely more soft than crisp. lol By the way... did I miss the badge code?

[@DamesalaMode]

No, I didn't do the badges. It was too complicated for me to figure out lol!

[@celticgoddess81]

@@DamesalaMode Aww no problem! :D I just wasn't sure.

[@jadesutton2557]

Does anyone else lose the auto when accessories and styling start? I checked and it works just before that and stops right at accessories

[@casual_cupcake]

same here. not sure what is going on :(

[@hetedeleambacht6608]

political context here would be interesting too, perhaps? The change I notice I would say from formal, court-based, masculine, hierarchical more to informal and leisure-based, women-like, more diversity in expression....more a shift from male to female values....It seems to me the political landscape was more rigid in 1775 then in 1785....fashion and politics are very narrowly interwoven....

[@elizabethclaiborne6461]

What kinds of lace are popular when?

[@DamesalaMode]

That is a huge topic that is not simple to answer (nor are either of us experts on that). I'd recommend checking out The Lace Museum for more info on that!

[@rslocum17]

Question: Is there evidence of a pet en l’air being worn with a false rump instead of (pan... French word I cannot seem to spell at the moment). Not that I’m trying to be lazy here but my bum roll is kinda huge because I’m a very hippy lady and I think (insert impossible French undergarment) might be over kill.

[@DamesalaMode]

I can't recall ever seeing a pet en l-air over a false rump. They are really more of a 1770s and earlier style where volume was focused over the hips. By the time volume is shifting to the back and they are using false rumps, the jackets are typically shorter and with a peplum instead of skirts. This is the closest thing I can come up with (but I would consider this a riding habit vs a pet in l'air). damesalamode.tumblr.com/post/11099550064/journal-des-luxus-1788-excuse-me-while-i-die It does seem like she's not wearing panniers.

[@rslocum17]

Dames a la Mode thank you so much

[@kirstenpaff8946]

It doesn't matter what century you're in, the 80's are all about big hair.

[@susanlein7849]

So interesting -- you both did such a great job having wonderful visuals to ilustrate your points!