17hmr vs 22mag - CLAY BLOCKS!!!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@MO.FRANKLINZ]

Shaved mid video?

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I am alright

[@Ezekiel903]

you should use the 22 mag with 30 gr and 2100fps!!

[@jerrywelch1370]

Pretty much don't matter which one you like, cuz if you got hit in the ass with either of them your hemorrhoid & constipation problems would be GONE...LOL...

[@unitedstatesirie7431]

@@WHOTEEWHO I want to buy a Taurus 942M double action .22 Magnum revolver. It is 8 shot cylinder with a 3" inch barrel. What velocity will this Taurus pistol get from it's 3" inch barrel length ?

[@wlh227]

You should have only shot each block one time for a fair test. The first shot of the 22 mag had massive expansion and opened up a massive hole. The shots that followed with the 22 mag did not have enough material left in terms of thickness to cause expansion. It takes a few inches or more of material before expansion begins so just a few small holes was the result with no expansion. .

[@laughton57]

This - and the two holes that he called exits were both caused by splatter from the last shot. They both appeared at the same instance, The 17 did better than i though it would - but after seeing this, I'll just keep my Marlin 22mag with a 3x9 Leupold. .

[@JDPri77]

The 17 HMR was impressive, but WLH is correct, WTW was hitting a bunch of air in the 22 mag subsequent shots. So hard to really draw a conclusion from this test.

[@MrLwr4444]

Exactly couldn't really see the effects of one round each that would have been way better

[@personanongrata9289]

Exactly right. The first hmr round didn’t seem to exit. The large exit hole was from subsequent rounds, through much thinner material. The first 22mag exited with a large exit “wound” and subsequent rounds went through the same holes for much of their path.

[@scenicdriveways6708]

I agree. Shoot each block one time and then compare them.

[@highplainsdrifter9631]

I've had both and I prefer the 22 Magnum by a landslide. I sold my 17 HMR ten years ago. Still have a couple of 22 Magnum guns, however. This video shows precisely why the 22 Magnum has more power which translates into better lethality. You also have a much better bullet weight selection with a 22 Mag; 30, 34, 40, 45, and 50 grain bullets are available. A 17 HMR has 17 and 20 grainers. Penetration is what I like and the 22 Magnum delivers for the rimfires. The first shot from each cartridge speaks volumes.

[@texaspatriot9159]

15.5 is another weight for the 17hmr

[@VeldBurger]

Looking at the slow mo the 22 Mag penetrated the block of clay on the first shot. Most of the subsequent shots went through that same hole that the first shot had created. I'm giving it to the 22 Mag. Accuracy and penetration. I would suggest to do another similar test on two blocks of clay and firing a single shot each with each of the two caliber. Thank for a cool video though

[@Rafe0522]

Yes 👍

[@rob6850]

Yeaaah that 22 mag was awesome.

[@Magnum_Express]

as an admittedly biased 17hmr fan, im mixed on the results. for their intended purposes, i think the 17hmr won...hear me out...they are both made for shooting rabbits and squirrels groundhogs and maybe coyotes.. so with that in mind, how much penetration do you need on a target thats not even as wide as your palm? the 17 just dumps its energy so amazingly..That said, in the case of something bigger like a coyote or bobcat, i could see the 22 mags appeal of being able to penetrate ribs and the thickness of 10 inches of a coyote chest. but if you were bumping up into using these for wild hogs or in worst case scenerio, an emergency that required you to put down a livestock like a cow or sheep, id take the 22 mag all day. thats coming from a guy who sold all his 22 rifles after buying a 17hmr.

[@Zircon10]

.22WMR won that hands down. First shot penetrated all the way. 17 HMR couldn’t muster full penetration on the first shot. When you’re shooting varmints, it’s only that first shot that matters as it is highly unlikely that you’ll get a second shot.

[@Ringele5574]

I had this same question yesterday so I did a little research. What I found was that the 22 mag will transfer more energy to the target throughout its effective range than the 17 hmr. The hmr is going a lot faster, but it just can't make up for the shear mass of the 22 mag.

[@Sonicexpres]

The sheer mass of the 40 grain .22 projectile? 😂

[@rameynoodles152]

@@Sonicexpres Well, 17gr vs 40gr... yeah, that's a big difference.

[@highplainsdrifter9631]

@@Sonicexpres you can even get a 50 grain hollow point from Federal for the 22 WMR. Yes, the 22 WMR with heavy bullets has a lot more mass than a 17 cal 17 grain bullet.

[@BenMJay]

Wouldnt a regular .22 basically do the same thing?

[@Ringele5574]

@@BenMJay a .22LR is going slower. If you look at ballistic charts you can see that a lighter but faster projectile can transfer more energy as speed increases.

[@psyekl]

The comments seem to agree with what I saw: The .22 mag won by doing the most damage on the first round with a full pass-through. The velocity of the .17HMR is nice, but it lacks the hitting power.

[@OdinX316]

AND it lifted a mass from the center vertically as well, 22 mag won!

[@psyekl]

@@OdinX316 I recently came into possession of a .17HMR. I definitely see its value for those long-range precision shots, but for "oomph" and takedown of anything larger than the smaller of varmints the .22LR definitely looks to be the winner.

[@kst357]

It looked like the 22 mag blew the core out of the top of the block on the first shot so there was less mass for the next few rounds to pass through. I think the 22 won this one.

[@christopherwinter6911]

DITTO THAT! As was said Above, I would like to have this done again. take 1 shot at a time on each and then go check the blocks. when you shot the 22win, you hit the same place 3x.

[@demagescod9657]

Yep, 22 mag absolutely did more damage on first round

[@williamray5467]

More penetration damage on the 22 mag but more outer explosion damage with the 17 hmr appeared to me.

[@sportsboyjon]

@@williamray5467 thats the point dude. It took TWO shots to get that hole on the 17hmr. The first shot made a dent. And left just enough that the 2nd ine would really blow up. But the 22mag punched through on the first AND blew out the top. Effectively making the remaining 4 hit almost nothing

[@williamray5467]

No I didn't miss any point, I would rather sink a 17 hmr ballistic tip.I'm a big chest within 100 yards but a .22mag beyond 100 yards. I know for a fact what 17 hmr will do in that distance.

[@albertollorca5249]

The 22 mag won hands down. Next time take a single shot with each and compare, had you done that you'd seen the .17 failed to penetrate while the .22 mag went clean through leaving a large cavity behind.

[@humblehunk9022]

But thats the point of the 17hmr... its a frangilble round - it's not meant to pass through soft targets. It dumps everything into what it hits. The 22mag made a nice sized hole for sure, but it passed through meaning less efficient energy transfer.

[@t3265]

Yea we nees a re do on this video

[@rameynoodles152]

@@humblehunk9022 I think efficiency of energy transfer depends more on what type of bullet you use, and less on the round type itself. FMJ, JSP, JHP all have vastly different energy transfer and penetration within the same cartridge category type. And then, on top of that, a smaller/slower bullet may give a more efficient energy transfer, and still transfer less total energy than a faster/larger bullet with less efficient transfer.

[@humblehunk9022]

@@rameynoodles152 I 100% agree with you. However, the 17hmr is only available as a hollow point (some have polymer tips to aid with expansion) and is exclusively a frangible bullet. 22MAG has some variety, but none of the expand quite like the 17hmr. With larger calibers, I agree, there are definitely more factors that influence energy transfer.

[@SinnerSince1962]

@@humblehunk9022 I agree with you.

[@scottg9208]

The only valid shot for comparison purposes was the first one from each rifle. The following 4 shots from each rifle do not tell anything about penetration or performance because the clay is already shot and compromised. The 22 Mag clearly had more penetration on the first shot as compared to the 17 HMR. I have shot a 22 Mag for many years using the Winchester 40 gr HP and would take it every time over the 17 HMR. Good job on the video, especially showing the back of the clay block where the true penetration results on that first shot could clearly be seen!

[@Ed.T]

... but we have no idea what the first-shot inside of the HMR looked like. As a one-time hunter with the HMR, I can tell you that it turns a lot of meat into pulp.

[@judgestacker9472]

@@Ed.T and that's great for small game. But it wouldn't hit the organs of larger game. The 17 dumped all of its energy very quickly in the first couple inches. The 22 actually had penitration but a narrower wound cavity. Guess it all comes down to what you are hunting.

[@hossman8499]

He's shooting polymer tip 17hmr and hollow point 22. Those polymer tips literally explode inside the target. I had to stop using them on squirrels because i was literally blowing their heads clean off. A 22 mag will never do that.

[@chrispor926]

Lol We know what the first 17 shot looks like... it was the exit wound that was the size of his fist. TNT 20 grain was a good weight.

[@traog]

@@chrispor926 the first shot didn't have an exit wound, it was the 2nd shot that went through.

[@dannyshep1756]

The 17HMR looked like more damage, but it took two shots to pass through the clay. The .22 mag passed through the first shot and created such a large cavity most the follow up shots never touched the clay block. Great video

[@JoseCarlos-xz3bz]

Your observation is correct. The first shot of 22 was very blunt. In the first shot, he removed the entire barrier of resistance from the clay, already leaving the place with little resistance to impact.

[@BB-1990]

@@marktheo1563 Yeah, that was a chunk of clay flying off the front genius, same video.

[@917johnnyv]

You did t see fist size hole in back one.17

[@ultradiabetic]

You don’t want a round passing through and through, u want it to do max damage internally plus then it can’t exit and hit something ur not meant too 😉

[@ronhux1742]

Exactly what I saw

[@Jbonneville6572]

As many have stated .22 mag seemed to win this one, I feel you should do this test again, 1 at 50 yards and 1 at a hundred and only shoot a single round rather than a whole magazine. Thanks for the videos though we enjoy them!

[@aphillips229]

This is confirmation that I never want to get shot with ANY caliber.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yup

[@FrostyShock349]

I think we all know someone who says .22lr isn’t powerful enough to kill someone, one of the first things my dad told me was that it can kill a caribou

[@watchingmaybecomment2664]

@@FrostyShock349 You can also kill a deer I was told I don’t know how are used his legs and you can use in Ohio for a long time. But now you can use a pistol 38 special is the lowest caliber you can use and a rifle as well but it’s got to be a pistol caliber round a straight casing

[@Dirtyharry70585]

@@watchingmaybecomment2664 The 'straight' casing, I use a 45LC out of a level action, brother in law uses a 44 mag, and my buddy uses a 45/70, for Ohio deer. Muzzle time its a 50 cal with 3 perex pellets.

[@rocksandoil2241]

I can promise you that a .22 LR hurts...I was shot in the hand (my own stupidity) and it do make you said, "Gee, I wish I hadn't done that." a sort of loose translation

[@freezinweasle1]

I was really impressed with them both. The 22mag actually did more than I thought it would.

[@slickdazzler7330]

I like them both. 22 mag is my favorite though.

[@leovang3425]

New cartridge, .17 magnum

[@JontyBlue67]

From my view of each first shot, the 22mag won hands down. From a practical view, it depends on conditions such as wind, distance, the velocity that the target is moving at. Longer distance with wind on a fox, I would go 17hmr; closer distance with calm conditions and a slightly larger animal, I would go 22mag; if the animal was something like a rabbit and I wanted to be able to eat it, I would go 22LR. Thanks for the video!

[@kj7ym]

Thank you so much for this demo. This shows the incredible value of your slow mo cameras for post review. Anyone could have been misled by the initial walk up. Your videos are just invaluable ,thank you and keep up the good work!😂

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@Clawson_customs]

The 22mag went thru in one shot the 17 took two shots to get thru im not a fan of them two calibers but I would say 22 mag won he should have done a single shot test

[@EstorilEm]

Eh out on a farm the 17 is basically a laser beam, flat as hell and perfect for anything you’d shoot a Rimfire at.

[@bobmcconnell4640]

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[@lnk3503]

I've had both, prefer the 22mag. It's also cheaper.

[@FluxAscender]

The .17 blew a hole straight through on the first shot, and the second round opened out what was left of hte top. The .22 blew a big hole through, also, but it also lifted the top clean off on the first round. .22WMR did a HELL of a lot bigger damage on the first round.

[@1GoodDag]

Light and fast is always going to show strong in clay too... penetration test I bet would go to the 22. 17 is going to be great too though on anything up to big ground hog size...

[@notsosilentmajority1]

The .22 mag hit harder and went through the block on the first shot, the 17 HMR did not go through on the first shot. The thing was that you shot too well and put most of the .22 mag rounds sort of through the initial hole. We didn't get an opportunity to see what kind of damage the .22 mag would have done if it had different parts of the block, the way the 17 HMR did.

[@markhoyt8643]

The 17 shot all over the place. 22 mag. Took and pulled out the center .so I agree with you.

[@notsosilentmajority1]

@@markhoyt8643 👍🏼

[@kearneydillon4803]

I dont need to type anything. You said all I was going to!!

[@notsosilentmajority1]

@@kearneydillon4803 🙏🏼

[@ShelliesMan]

You are absolutely correct. I had the very same observations.

[@alaskajohn5695]

Excellent demonstration, Personally, I Love the 22-mag, with the hornedy 32-grain plastic tip bullet. Insane accuracy up to 200-yards, flat flat shooting, killed hundreds of ground squirrels with that round, deadly accurate …. Thank You, appreciate your channel…

[@stevepark2643]

That 22WMR is a tack driving machine! The only reason the 17HMR seems to cause more damage is that it took multiple hits to penetrate the block. Those 22 shots were literally sailing through the first shots hole! Awesome video Sir!👍🏻

[@1crazynordlander]

I think you need to make your decision based on the first shot for each caliber in your slo-mo camera angle. The 22 mag has complete penetration on the first shot where the 17 doesn't. The 17 second shot opened the clay block up opposed to the 22 mag didn't have much to penetrate on the second shot because it had been opened up by the first shot. I was impressed by the 22 mag.

[@gwane1uno]

The 22mag took more mass off the clay block, on its first try.

[@daymonmac6185]

Bang, that 22mag is serious business!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

💪💪

[@grancito2]

I dropped 2 deer at 100 and 120 yards with a 22 mag, nice to fire, not like the 7.62/51, noise and recoil is not nice.

[@Gee-Wizz]

@@grancito2 Yep, got one myself in the past. Not my first choice, but was all i had in my pocket at the time and got the job done no problem.

[@raytheguyinthechair2791]

You should see what a 22-250 does. Thing runs at mach 4!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Already filmed 22-250

[@gscop1683]

I think the 22 mag was the better based on slo-mo first shots. Both are great varmit rounds ! Thanks !

[@MrJoyTime]

The 22 .magnum won, it did the most damage on the first shot and more accurate, the next 4 shot's was going more through the first shot, the 22 mag was the bad boy.

[@williamray5467]

The 22 mag surely appeared to do more damage on the first shots of both but if a camera would have been able to be setup to actually inside carnage at that distance the 17 hmr won I bet. But the 22 mag no doubt has better penetration while 17 hmr caused more mass damage. Further distance on larger game or clay blocks the 22 mag is the way.

[@brenttate9299]

And maybe the 22 mag was more accurate only because it had a laser

[@williamray5467]

Doubt it, both are likely tack drivers so it's more likely the 17h Mr is not broke in properly or the shooter just wasnt.putting any effort in his shooting. My 17h Mr can hit small eggs at 100 yards but only after proper barrel care, I stopped cleaning the thing just pull a tight dry cloth through it when needed.

[@zeppafloyd]

The slow mo of the 2nd 17HMR round looked like the bullet holes in the T1000 from Terminator 2. Fantastic!

[@scottysowell5565]

Even better the 2nd time around. 22 mag went through the hole a couple of times touching nothing. Pretty accurate.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks Scotty

[@dwightemery5694]

Zeroed in a 17 HMR today with a neighbor that has one for him... nice rifle...like your videos... hope you had a good Thanksgiving.

[@mikehobbs7421]

I liked the slow mo shots from behind! Cheers from Canada eh 🍻🇨🇦🤘

[@TommyboyGTP]

17 had a VMAX bullet which is for varmints. it's designed to rapid expand and blow up as soon as it hits. The 22 with the hollow point is designed to hold together to penetrate.

[@chrisanthony7552]

You stoled my answer lol.

[@billwhiteathome2080]

I thought hollow points were designed to expand upon impact and NOT over penetrate.

[@TommyboyGTP]

@@billwhiteathome2080 Designs can vary. More expansion, less penetration. If expansion is minimal, it goes farther.

[@joshrandall3632]

@@billwhiteathome2080 They do start to expand on impact, but they don't expand quite as fast as the V-Max bullets do. So its basically a more controlled expansion, balanced with slightly more penetration, but not nearly as much penetration as a fmj would give.

[@tbauer2521]

That's why all the professional hunters in Africa use hollow points......wow

[@jeffbenfer3717]

I would've liked to see the comparison with the 30 grain polymer tip bullets the 22 mag is offered in. The velocity of the 22 mag polymer is only 350 fps slower than the 2550 fps of the 17 hmr. Based on my own experience, when saw how well the 30 grain polymer shot out of both of my 22 mag rifles, and how devastating they were on varmints. I ended gifting my 17 hmr rifle to my son.

[@dangookin527]

Looks like the 22 mag has more penetration than the 17. The big crater on the back of the 17 HMR appeared to be created by a first bullet exploding in and not going through the block. The second shot hit the back of the first hole and made an exit crater. The .22 mag made a full length hole which at least two other .22 mag shots went through and made less damage. Bottom line is whats the purpose in what you want. The 17 HMR is a great varmint round & will explode small varmints. the .22 mag definitely has more penetration for bigger varmints. Toss a coin!

[@JusticeForSome]

Yeah...☝️ what he said.

[@buckfutter99]

I hunt dove to coyote with the fmj 17hmr. My favorite round of all time. Bought it in bulk when I could. Run it through a savage with a can.

[@Clawson_customs]

He should have done a single shot test

[@chrislacosse2560]

@@buckfutter99 I love my 917V also

[@joecitizen6046]

What I like most about the 17hmr is its accuracy past about 125 to 150 yards. I can smack milk jugs, rock chucks, and coyote at 200 all day long. My old 22mags petered out after about 125.

[@rexmericle5068]

As a former military guy I like the .17 HMR. High velocity and a flat trajectory is desirable in most cases. This pays off as distance to the target increases.

[@nickallen8333]

The downfall is the lighter caliber is more easily effected by wind at longer ranges and doesn’t carry its energy as well as the heavier .22. Still love the .17hmr though.

[@jamesmoore768]

I personally am partial to the 22magnum! They are very deadly rounds hunting! Even in taking deer size game with proper shot placement!

[@PittsburghFan4Life13]

would like to have this done again. take 1 shot at a time on each and then go check the blocks. when you shot the 22win, you hit the same place 3x. if diff places was hit on each one the block would have been destroyed alot more. keep up the crazy work bud.

[@kitejkoch]

Yes...just shooting the hell out of a block of clay doesn't demonstrate much of anything.

[@visamedic]

Exactly. One shot per. The mag will win.

[@chrislacosse2560]

@@visamedic they are both magnums

[@m4qnus]

@@chrislacosse2560 the 22 is a magnum the 17 hmr is not

[@chrislacosse2560]

@@m4qnus then why is it called HORNADAY MAGNUM RImfire" HMR"

[@garywhelansr5602]

I love my 22mag marlin micro groove barrel has always done the job for me. Looks like your going thru the same hole.. Old school always 🇺🇸👍

[@DavidEKells]

22Mag went threw on the first round, 17 took two reounds to get threw.

[@tnbackroads]

Definitely a 22 mag win. If you're hunting, you want 1 shot devastation. I've shot several groundhogs with the 17 that were able to get back to their holes in 1 shot. Not had that happen with a 22 mag. I only like the 17 for longer range plinking. It's too unpredictable for shooting small game with. I've shot squirrels and it blow quarter to half dollar size holes in them...and then the very next squirrel, it look like you shot it with a pellet air rifle....hardly a trace of a hole.

[@MrLwr4444]

Thank you for your knowledge on the subject makes me kinda want to sell my 17hmr lol I've dropped groundhogs with it and other small game and on youtube there are videos of people taking a coyote with a 17hmr seems a little much for me

[@chriscoker7794]

@@MrLwr4444 I've killed 3 deer ,all with head shots and yes they were all standing still after I whistled.

[@Altrag_]

@@chriscoker7794 if you shot at a deer with a 17 you're an asshole poacher. Most states require that you use a gun appropriate for the game you intend to hunt. How many reloads before Bambi stopped running? Holy shit... I'd rather be clubbed to death.

[@raymondharper9935]

Ok, I'll buy a 17 ... for the impact. But I'm still lovin' my scoped Marlin 22 mag. Your videos still ROCK ( AIRBORNE )

[@dhoffman1517]

I started using Hornady 30gr vmax in my 22wmr and I love it. The Vmax would have been a better comparison with the 17 Hmr. 👍👍

[@PeterWolfVT]

I second this!!! RERUN WITH 22MAG VMAX speed will be closer and much better comparison!!!

[@diegodog20270]

💯

[@minionkevin6623]

Here in Wyoming I use 17 HMR for coyote hunting. It does a great job entering and destroying everything inside but leaving the fur intact. Great round if you are selling the skin's. Great Video!

[@joecitizen6046]

Here in Idaho I take coyote and rock chuck with the 17 HMR. Past about 150 yards, the 17 outshines the 22mag in accuracy, hands down. Each has their place, but I sold off my 22mags once I saw what the 17 could do.

[@minionkevin6623]

@@Internaught-The-Wise What part? I live in Big Horn County.

[@tintshopnc5552]

22 mag is always my favorite but the crazy thing is how impressive the rimfire are. I didn't think it would do the damage it did

[@LameWolff]

The 17 in one block. Now if you were to put two blocks up, one behind the other, I think you would see more overall damage in the two blocks from the 22mag.

[@robinbankz507]

.17 mag was excellent. Man, that’s 1st shot .22 mag knocked the roof of the clay. Awesome slo mo 🔥

[@dangustafson2450]

3 of your 22 magnum shot went thru big hole from 1st shot. 22 mag is too accurate. Lol. I enjoy your videos. I love my 22 mag Henry Golden Boy.

[@steveboyd3377]

Both rounds are impressive. I honestly didn't expect to see so much damage from either.

[@jorgen-ingmarcastell2864]

Great video, for second time. I agree with many others, if only compare the first shots, the 22 mag made a bigger hole.

[@alainam71]

Absolutely 22mag won considering that 1st shoot go through the clay and 17hmr took 2 shoots. On the real world scenario, I will go with 22MAg. Thank you for your great videos.

[@josephevans728]

I have to agree with most of the other comments that the 22 was the best. The 22 mag blew all the way through on the first shot. Then you just hit the same hole. When you use the same hole you don’t get any more damage. You have to hit the media to get more damage. So I would say the rifle/scope combo used for the.22 mag made the most difference as that rifle seems to be more accurate. Great video, I really enjoyed the watching the 17 HMR destroy the block. I just don’t think it compares well with the 22 WMR. Keep up the good work.

[@russellkeeling9712]

The .17 only passed through the clay on the second shot once the first shot penetrated half way. To me the .22 mag. is much better as a hunting rifle. It would be cool to see a test of wind deflection for both of these.

[@seanomeirs8362]

The coolest shot was when the .17 HMR made the trumpet shaped exit hole. I watched this video a couple of days ago. Best "Splodie" pic ever.

[@haroldshull6848]

And that was the second shot. Kinda correlates with what everyone above is saying...

[@jimkemp-l3n]

I have never shot a .17!! I was given my first rifle , a Winchester model 9422, in 22 mag on Dec. 24 1971!! It has never failed, Shot coyotes, jackrabbits, and more meadow larks than I could count. I will take my 22 mag anyday!!! Thanks Who-Tee Who!!!!

[@joelmcmahan7386]

Like all WTW stuff I can’t wait to see this. Thanks again WTW. God bless you and your family. 👍🇺🇸

[@jimblanchard3971]

The second shot of the 17 HMR was cool. Love your videos!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching Jim

[@timbarker1011]

22 fan here, but... ..the 17 knocked the crap out of the clay. Very impressive results. Thanks. Love your videos.

[@timcoleman2371]

The first 22 mag blew the top off of that block. There wasn’t that much to hit after that. 17 HMR took two hits to penetrate but made a really cool bugle shaped exit hole. Would’ve been cool to stop and take a look after each of the first two shots on each block

[@stevec8363]

After inspecting the blocks, one might assume the 17hmr did more damage but when doing a detailed review I think the 22 mag won.

[@stompingpeak2043]

Yet that could just be from the bullet being bigger and having a different geometry

[@siyaindagulag.]

I reckon he kilt em both

[@tomsikes9064]

So the 17 did lot of energy dump first round. It was the second that punched through. The 22wm punched straight through, first shot. Then the follow ups were all muscle memory of the shooter. I agree, do it again, 1 shot only each caliber.

[@johnschultz4955]

17 for hunting clay blocks all day long. I own both and if you want the hide or it’s windy, 22 mag all the way

[@TheDarkRodent]

You only hit the 22 block once. The other 4 shots went through the massive cavity created by the 1st shot. Additionally the 1st shot from the WMR not only blew the back out it shot a chunk straight up out of the top. The enemy transfer was clearly greater with the WMR.

[@mlsknnr]

.22 Mag was more consistent shooting to the same spot, while the .17 looked to be all over the place, thus more damage to the block. That is what I saw from the rear camera during the test. It would be great to be able to purchase the laser bullets in other calibers, not everyone shoots a 9mm.

[@Shaggy_Campbell]

22 mag went through on the first shot, so I say 22 mag LOL

[@lloydwilliams8080]

the .22 mag has more hitting power at 100 yrds than the 17 hmr at the muzzle, the .22 HMR was more consistant accuracy you already had big hole on first hole, 17 HMR all over . MASS has more power period speed blows the accuracy. time proven, check ballistics charts information has not changed in over 100 years and still valid today.

[@davidwhite5858]

Great video WHO-TEE. Greetings from Lincoln, NE. HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

GO BIG RED

[@davidwhite5858]

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[@DeemoView]

.22 Mag wins🏆 hands down! 💯% .17 appeared to do more "overall" damage, only because the .22 Mag grouping was so on point (with the exception of the "intentionally" lowered last round!🙄 But nice grouping tho)!..Lol😉

[@rossevans1774]

The 17 pill seemed to explode on contact(complete fragmentation) expending all its energy in the clay, even contact with the smallest pieces of clay the 17 exploded. The 22 seemed to retain its shape and carry its weight and energy through the block and out the back.

[@kodystaley773]

That’s what the 17 v-max is supposed to do it’s supposed to hit and blow up but the 22 is a hollow point but they really just go straight through

[@BillBraskyy]

I had a similar laser guided training round from a different company in 40 Smith and Wesson for my SWSD40 that also used a cell phone to act as a digital target, but it didn't work (the training round that is), but the idea behind it is really neat, so maybe I'll try to buy another one down the road. Also, the way I learned how to practice trigger squeeze and consistent form with no lasers or anything didn't cost a dime-well, okay, maybe just one dime-when I was in basic training back in the early 2000s right after we invaded Iraq, our drills taught us a pretty neat way to practice by dry fire in the bay by resting in the prone position while balancing a flat laying dime at the end of the barrel, and all you do is dry fire until you can do so without the dime falling off (sounds easier said than done lol). The point was to teach you how to make nice, slow, steady, consistent trigger squeezes, and come range day me and the guys that practiced this in our bay ended up zeroing and qualifying faster and scoring better than those who did not :) I'm certain this is nothing new, and has been something that has been done since the beginning of modern firearms training, but it's a goodin'!

[@tccurtis2932]

I will take the .22 mag. It went through on the 1st. shot and most of the others went through the same hole.

[@Smedleydog1]

Look at the slow motion first shots. The .17 didn't go all the way through, the .22 did. The .17 lost all of it's energy at impact. The .22 had energy to spare.

[@RiverSmallmouthAdventures]

.17HMR is impressive! Thanks for the comparison video!

[@visamedic]

.22 mag is putting out almost 100 foot pounds more than the .17. Much more devastating round. I’ve always been partial to the mag.

[@Glimpsedshow]

More like 50 ft/b more. 17HMR does roughly 250 ftb and .22mag 300 ftb HOWEVER once out to lets say 100 yards the .17hmr sheds ftb energy much faster than 22mag

[@visamedic]

@@Glimpsedshow given the info on the video it’s between 80-100 ft lbs (I think it was 328) per the conversion table I looked up. Don’t ask me which. But either way I’ve gone back and forth on whether to buy a .17 and as far as I’m concerned it’s just another brick of ammo I’ll have to stock. My mags have served me extremely well.

[@Glimpsedshow]

@@visamedic I find the flat shooting of the HMR means im bang on from 30 yards to 130 and i can dial out with it (longest kill is 250 yards on a crow) - however the BIG benefit is that it's lightweight construction and high speed mean it doesn't ricochet, it just breaks up on impact, so its a very safe round. Plus it dumps all of its energy into a target and doesn't over-penetrate. My .17HMR from a 16" surpressed barrel drops foxes out to 150 yards and theres rarely an exit wound and they drop on the spot. We used to only get .223 conditioned for fox here but now all police allow .17hmr for fox because it's literally a perfect calibre for them with much less collateral risk and noise than .223

[@visamedic]

@@Glimpsedshow No. I know. For sure. It’s a very flat shooting round. Like I said, I’ve gone back and forth, for years, when it first came out because of the ballistic tables I saw on it, way before KZbin. For me, with a good mil dot scope, and YEARS of plinking and hunting, I know my rifle is zeroed at 100 yrds, and I know where to hold out to 250, and down to 50. And yes. It’s made kills at about 280. It was almost the same range as a squirrel size target on the range I go to, and that is set at 283 yrds from the benches, in a very stiff wind with 9” of right sided drift given, on a 31 gr. (?) Remington varminter round. The drift on a 40 to 50 grn would have been less, greater elevation needed, but an even harder smack, energy dump, on its intended target. Now a .17 couldn’t do that AS EFFECTIVELY. That’s what sold me on the mag. It can do the stretch and still maintain a good amount of energy at those ranges. It’s just, and it’s funny you mentioned foxes, I’ve dropped a fox at roughly 150-160, and it’s impact was devastating. Just about took the fox off it’s feet, and dropped her where she stood. Went right through. Knarly exit wound. Winchester Supreme, I think 30 gr. And it’s done this with coyotes, and large dogs that have attacked my sheep and cattle. So, yes, for varminting in lightly populated areas like mine the .17 would perfect. But I know what the mag will do farther out to a larger target. And, for me, especially in a survival situation, I’ll take the mag as an all around gun for meat and defense, especially my CMR. And suppress it, if you can with a makeshift suppressor....just perfect.

[@michaellane1661]

That was cool! That 17hmr surprised me bro! Got a lot of boogie on that one! Great video WTW!🤘🏽

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching Michael!

[@afroliciouspresents3603]

The first shot for each calibre was the only one of importance, in terms of potential effect on game. Both calibres did a great job, would be used on the same species of animal and which one to use will partially depend on the type of ground hunted. If you have large, open ground, with sufficient backstop, the .22WMR going straight through won't be a problem. The 17HMR is a bit safer, as all of its energy went into the target. Of course, backstop is essential, regardless of calibre used. Anyone can miss 🤪

[@Gerald-do9yg]

All Very good points friend!!

[@jarmstrong2843]

First shots to each block tell the true story. The HMR and 22 Mag both equally destroyed the clay block on the first shot. That’s the only shot that counts since other rounds were going through damaged materials on both blocks.

[@dhenry2380]

According to my calculator, the .22 has about 40 ft. Lbs. more energy at 100 yards…great video!

[@fillupread]

Old news. 17 is flatter but the 22 mag carries more energy and does a little better in a cross wind.

[@Lucidfilth]

A heavier yet slower projectile can carry more energy than a light and fast projectile. Not always the case, but think of it like this. A 40 grain projectile moving at 900 feet per second with give you about 71 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle. And a 10 grain projectile at a 1000 feet per second will give you around 22 ft lbs at the muzzle. Speed isn't always everything.

[@plumtiger1]

The 22 blew such a massive amount of clay out on the first shot that the others just went through the hole. I think the 22 did more damage. Remember the 17 only deformed half of it on the first shot

[@canonballdookie]

big fan of the .17HMR super accurate and great small game round

[@defeatmoloch5883]

If you calculate the kinetic energy .5mv^2, the .22 magnum should possess considerably greater kinetic energy for energy transfer on impact.

[@mikewells9988]

“Splody bits” that my kind of technical speak

[@tacocin]

These are closely related to jiggly bits.

[@billyrippy9204]

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[@dionneller5441]

You should try the Hornady ammo with the 32 grain 22 magnum ammo runs rings around the 17 🤣

[@bennonlapworth5026]

20 grain out of the .17 will prove you wrong i recon

[@deanmiller6177]

Have both a 17hmr and a 22mag and have to say the 22mag does more damage over the 17.

[@mrpibb7781]

I just bought a Savage 93R17 and fell in love with it. Love the 17 HMR.

[@songmlf]

The fact that those 17 hummers expland and stop so quickly could make them really great for certain applications where penatration is not wanted and could be dangerous.

[@stoneywmorris7448]

I fell in love with the .17 HMR that my uncle let me hunt with. So much that I had to get me one. I've ordered some boxes of full metal jacket rounds and the polimer tip. I've just got the tri pod in to mount on the front of the stock. When I get my rifle scope sited in good - I've got a trip to southern Florida to make. My brother called me and told me that all his fruit trees and garden were gone. He said that he seen a large group of Wild Hogs coming on to his property and they tore up every fruit tree he had planted and they destroyed his garden that had a fence around it. He is worried about kids being hurt or killed by the wild hogs roaming around. A large group of wild hogs could actually kill a human and devour their bodies. I just got a total knee replacement 2 weeks before my brother called me and I told him that I have to go get something that will take care of any size hogs. I went to my local Walmart and they had one .17 HMR Savage bolt action rifle on the shelf and I bought it. I've shot a couple of the polimer tip rounds and they make a good deal of damage. I bought some full metal jacket rounds and I will use them for the 200 yard shots

[@stoneywmorris7448]

When I take my new rifle to site my scope in at the range today I am thinking about taking my mom along with me and let her shoot it. She needs to shoot her 38 a few times and be used to it's recoil. She hasn't shot it much and I want her to be used to the recoil. When she was younger she had an eagle eye. My step dad had a old Mauser and she used to shoot it open sites at the critters that tried to get into her chicken pen from 60 yards away. She is in her 70's now and even at her age now I wouldn't want to tick her off. She still has her eagle eye..

[@pramagli]

Very interesting video. I'd like to see you do that same experiment with a .22 WMR with a polymer tip like the 30 gr CCI V Max, instead of a jacketed hollow point.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Good idea

[@codyjarreau9847]

Id like to see what 1 bullet out of each does to the clay blocks. That way we can see the real damage of both rounds.

[@codyjarreau9847]

Yes i was saying the same thing. 😑😑

[@sammoore9120]

The .22 appeared more accurate. All 4 of your follow up shots went through the same hole.

[@fredlance2538]

making my comment before I watch , I am thinking the 17 will do more damage, cant wait to see . keep the videos coming I love them .

[@JMac-fj1rg]

If you are consistently shooting at targets at less than 100 yards range, use the 22 mag. If you are firing longer distances , use the .17

[@thomasthemtman]

For a more consistent comparison I would have initially done just one shot for each caliber Then let loose

[@jayecurry1369]

I think they both did well. I think you'd have gotten a better comparison with just one round each. At least a couple of your .22 Mag when through your first hole as I could see little pieces-part flying with each shot. But that .17 HMR did make an impressive crater.

[@josephliljoeybonannofoley5900]

The 22 mag had more of an energy source towards the center of the block that's why you're not getting that big spread out trust me that 22 mag did all the damage it needed to do

[@alpalmieri8644]

Heavy bullets driven slower do more damage.

[@stephenwarren55]

After watching this video again, I see that the main difference between the .17 and the .22 Mag is that a shooter can't hit the same place twice with the .17 WHERE-AS the shooter of the .22 Mag can't shoot anything but a good grouping. If the .22 Mag wasn't such an accurate cartridge, you would have ABSOLUTELY destroyed that block. 😲👍

[@anthonyharper8161]

Both dangerous. I wouldn't like to get hit with any of them. Great video. Appreciate it.

[@eug504ene]

Based off Seeing it Live I have to give it to the 22 magnum the first hole was so big you was just was shooting Straight through with the 4 remained in bullets. Which made for a harder target to hit. Where the 17 HMR it made a small entrance wound but a huge exit wound. And that made it easier for you to hit in different spots. But both of those definitely got the job done.

[@cjsteadman6217]

It took all five rounds of the 17 HMR to do the damage to the first block. The 22WMR blew out the back of the 2nd block on the first round, and there wasn't anything left for the next three rounds to hit. Further damage was achieved on the fifth round because you stopped shooting through the first hole. 22WMR for the win as most effective. 17HMR for the most explody bits.

[@billbright1755]

That poor clay man didn’t stand a chance. His buddy seemed shell shocked and was too paralyzed with fear to run.

[@dustinpotter8312]

hahahahahahaha. yup he has seen too much tv!

[@joshpaull2793]

A single shot comparison would have shown the .22mag created more damage. 2 of the 5 shots after that were straight through the opening

[@brianjanusek4356]

I feel they both did very well, just different ways. I’d stick with mag for cost and availability.