(1820) Armored Best Mortise Housing

[@Zethrel]

Was hoping to see it taken apart. Still an amazing video.

[@Riyame]

I have a bunch of these I should throw up on ebay and pin them with Mako security pins. They also use a special 5C core with a much thicker control lug and need the extra long key blanks (which are getting harder to find). I talked with the seller, apparently it was freshly pinned and newly cut keys when it was sent out. Perhaps a lot of raking caused the pins to be worn down.

[@highinquisitor0083]

That's a really cool lock. Picking the tention wrench made me smile.

[@rj8665]

That was a good looking lock and nice pick. "I think I just successfully picked the tension wrench." I found that extremely funny for some reason.

[@u.v.s.5583]

If you can dodge the wrench, you can dodge the ball. If you can pick the wrench, you can pick the lock!

[@boneinthebox]

I too, chucked at that😂

[@88gtman]

I kept watching the lock move up and down in the vise and couldn’t help but to think about how hard it would be to feel the pins and feedback with all that movement.

[@Hunglikeagrimsmo]

It's such high security that the key even has a hard time unlocking it lol

[@Flying0Dismount]

"I think I successfully picked the tension wrench.." Well, like you always say, "an open is an open.." 😁

[@boneinthebox]

This thing is awesome Bill.

[@boneinthebox]

@@feralshooter6424 yessir

[@boneinthebox]

@@lockolot6704 I'd hope so

[@hvmetalhead2805]

Not as awesome as you bone

[@bradw0535]

Oh yes, I think we all have spent plenty of time picking the tension wrench! Never seen an armored Best like that before, thanks for sharing Bill 👍🏻👍🏻

[@jackpestaner6925]

Thanks for the video on the armored face Best lock. I installed some of these a few years ago, and had to order special long keys and cores from Best. The long key makes non-authorized duplication alot harder as the long blanks dont exist on the 3rd party market. The armored face is a special hardened steel, and there are optional drill-resistant pins in the UL version.

[@johnmorgan1629]

First demonstration of the lock and maybe beyond needed backing music, may I suggest 'Wiggle it just a little bit.'

[@brianmoreira7578]

Wow. Interesting....these are the vids I like Bill to do. Tx man!

[@markdarden4066]

Having used best locks commercial the biggest flaw is that many people leave the construction cores in and there are 4 construction keys for America red green orange yellow and I suspect a blue is out there and they are used regionally, east coast is green and orange which are very common to get and the cores are painted the color of the key needed

[@MrThe1ace]

That pinning looks tough

[@bigtonka82]

I honestly thought the lock was going to fall out of the vise lol.

[@Dramob]

That lock looks like a good challenge. I've got a Best medical cabinet lock that is still giving me some trouble.

[@frankdoemen]

Top of the key way tension and Peterson gem should get you one of the opens lol 👍

[@Dramob]

@@frankdoemenThanks for the profile tip. I'll have to try a gem style pick. I usually try TOK tension and have a selection of Sparrows, Praxxis and Southord picks to work with.

[@ccadama]

@Bosnianbill. Thanks Bill for the interesting video. Looks like your hands are still stained after your last lock gutting. Hope you and your family stay safe and well.

[@krokodilen31]

Interesting as always, thanks

[@stevenmullen8402]

Nice looking lock.

[@sillyseppy7095]

Way cooooool lock .... Thanks for the longer video !!

[@Pyrolock]

COME ON BILL -- get a Lab Annex so you can gut AND reassemble those SFIC locks. We need to see if that is the BEST FACTORY original pinning for a UL rated High Security 5C core, that should have spooled key and driver pins. I suspect it does NOT have original BEST factory pins or we wouldn't have seen this video, and the lock would be a resident of your "naughty bucket"

[@boneinthebox]

Annex your pins bill!

[@donnierobertson3088]

Great job and video like always

[@jugganaut33]

Finally a locks name That isn’t ironic.

[@OriginalPai]

The "sticky" quality of this BEST lock and key is something I've encounter with literally every BEST lock I've encountered in the field. Store owners I talk to that have them on cases always give me a story of how they have to jiggle it just right to open it. Is there a manufacturing problem at play here or are these locks just so beat up in the places they're used that any lock would be hard pressed to stand up to the test of time?

[@bosnianbill]

Best SFICs are used widely commercially and institutionally, with a long history of reliability. My lock in this video was brand new, apparently freshly re-pinned. A subscriber that is also a locksmith with SFIC experience suggested sticky pins were common and recommended I lube it. I hit it with some spray graphite and it started working perfectly.

[@jeffmoss26]

I’ve had brand new unpinned cores that would barely turn

[@markdarden4066]

We have thousands of best locks all keyed with room key and master and grand masters, they all open when you pull out a rake

[@MyLTWeb]

Good job Bill!

[@51-FS]

Them keys are still new... they both ain't wore down

[@derekbowbrick6233]

Funny to see you sawing on those pins at 7:05, I thought you were going to saw through out of frustration. Nice pick. Thank-you.

[@seanstone70]

Come on Bill. Gut it. We all want to see how the actuator works and the pins? Are they standard or something special.

[@danareed1656]

hay the the tension wrench wants some attention too!! that is my one thing that i dont like about top tensioning im always picking the wrench or trying to evict it form the key way! LOL although bottom tensioning has its issues too!

[@sigmaman5562]

This vid was made in 2020. By then, almost everything Best made was seven pins. I got some old Best padlocks from someone on eBay, they were only five pins-the seven-pin keys supplied stick out a ways from the lock’s face. I do have a box of newer Best things, but the box is, of course, in a safe place! 😞There are padlocks, and at least one entry lock. I remember this, because the change key works, and the control key does not-so how did they get the core into the lock? Yes, the control key works on everything else! On Schlage locks, if one disassembles the lock, then the cylinder can be taken from the knob. On the Best entry lock, that is not possible, as the core is too big to come out through the available space. I saw something, many years back, about people who could pick the change and control key shear lines preferentially. I have zero idea how to do this; no surprise!

[@363.2McMasters]

This is awesome!

[@mgoncpr1]

I believe that's an old Best 5C core - they were standard in the 71B, 81B, & 91B high security padlocks...

[@ThomasBMagwn]

What year did they come out? 🤔

[@tomwilliams8675]

Thanks Bill for keeping it real. It would have been interesting to see what was causing it to be so sticky. Would lube have helped?

[@Svenz0r]

When things are sticky just adding more lube isn't usually the way to go. Need to clean out the old lube and gunk that is causing it to stick before adding fresh lube if needed.

[@danareed1656]

that is a interesting lock!

[@j_k_s2357]

I work exclusively with Best SFIC and the key is mis -cut, that’s why you have to jiggle it to work. If you send me the plate, I’ll re-key a core for you to pick. Cheers from Canada.

[@TsiolkovskySportingLocks]

Scarily fun that thing

[@petewoodfine2100]

Wow. Trickier than a very tricky thing.

[@ericrichardson3332]

I was hoping he would take it apart and try to figure out why the keys where sticky and take a little jiggling to work and fix it so it worked like new again may be in a future video we can get him to revisit this best armored lock and fix either the pin/s or the key/s so it works better

[@kendric98]

Nooo i want to know if its a worn pin or the key!

[@bosnianbill]

Neither. A locksmith suggested it had sticky pin recommended I shoot some lube in it. I hit it with spray graphite and it works perfectly.

[@TheButchersbLock]

What does the ‘UL’ and ‘ULC’ that is stamped on the face mean?

[@TheButchersbLock]

@N Webb thanks mate 👍🇦🇺😊

[@Riyame]

These came in 2 versions from the factory, a UL listed version and a non UL listed version. The UL version HAD to be pinned from the factory and came with spool pins and stainless pins in the first 2 chambers to prevent drilling. The non UL version just had standard pins and could be repinned by the customer. Here are pics of the non ul verson which is missing the marks on the front. i.imgur.com/BJiwkrC.png i.imgur.com/kGxSy6i.png

[@JohnLeePettimoreIII]

The cuts on those keys look just fine. Best-Falcon are relatively tolerant of wear. I would guess that it is pin stack 5, 6, or 7 that need changing. (Remember, that SFIC are pinned from tip to bow.)

[@cmarano]

"I think I successfully picked the tension wrench." Okay, I did a spit take there.

[@royae08]

Bill, you’re going to need to gut this lock.

[@gozzendk]

Thanks for the video 🔑👍

[@szabib2144]

Is it possible this lock company made it harder for lock pickers, An that even if you have the key to open they made it very hard to open even with the key it is hard to open

[@johnmorgan1629]

Though not working properly an interesting lock.

[@napalmholocaust9093]

I need a super long key and an equally long collar or inset and you can't pick it then? Also; do you remember the shipping container lock you recommended?

[@penfold7800]

He picked, gutted, and replaced the core of a RotaLok once.

[@parapicktog7734]

That's the first time I seen you defeated. You turned the actuator with your pick at the back. Does that mean it can be bypassed? I wonder if the shoulder of the keys were not tight against the lock body when it was made, may explain why you have to wiggle it.

[@user-rw3qq2sr1z]

Bill, Did you ever find out what was jamming it up ?

[@kevincarter7102]

Could it be considered a 6 pin plus control?

[@natw8327]

Does anyone know the official name of this product, or have a link to a lock and key vendor that sells them?

[@Riyame]

They have not been made in something like 15 or 20 years. The non UL model is 1E7K4. i.imgur.com/BJiwkrC.png i.imgur.com/kGxSy6i.png

[@mmay3315]

how do you tell the difference between a little false set and a set pin?

[@penfold7800]

Because all the other pins won't move

[@penfold7800]

Interesting. Is it some kind of safe lock that uses the 7 pin lock to lock the dial on the safe? I'm just intrigued what the brass cog at the back is for

[@DonzLockz]

Wow, thats a cool and weird lock. Must have good physical protection. ✌🍺😎🇦🇺

[@chriscapune7873]

Very cool! The ones I have all work smoothly. Really a wonderful lock!!!! Have yet to pick one😅 Stay safe my friend 🐾🐈🐾🐈😷🇦🇺

[@TheButchersbLock]

@@chriscapune7873 fancy seeing you guys here 😛

[@chriscapune7873]

@@TheButchersbLock 😂😂😂👍🐈🐾🐈

[@martinharper5112]

Tough lock Bill. Are you going to put it right off camera? It would be nice. M

[@douggwyn9656]

Note the extra length the keys must have.

[@RIP_Texpert]

Yeah the pins are clearly worn down, this is why allot of key pins where you use the keys every minute like in a prison have hardened steel tips

[@ahmadaamer6]

Exactly. I would also think they would use Best Premium cores vs standard cores due to the increased durability of the key.

[@UTubeHandlesSuck]

True. I'm reminded of a video where Bill gutted a prison lock that actually used ball bearings below the key pins for wear purposes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZa3p2lngrp3a6c

[@RIP_Texpert]

@@UTubeHandlesSuck that's what I'm referring to

[@ahmadaamer6]

@@UTubeHandlesSuck That is very interesting.

[@boneinthebox]

@@feralshooter6424 my oh my

[@chasingcapsaicin]

eVil sob Pair that with a ~w keyway, outch.. someone botched up there training/lock by one wafer or xored the cut on the key get a dam sfic kit, and split follower to boot

[@billhenderson731]

Tough pick. I would have broken the pick after a few moments, and taken up an easier ‘hobby’

[@maxgarascia]

Ruin a SFIC by gutting? Why not demo the LAB annex ?

[@plug4uk696]

Only the best beat the Best ;-)

[@sebastiand152]

"Open ks at 8:20, if you want to skip ahead" Thanks, but why would I watch a lockpicking video and skip the lockpicking? ☺

[@caseybarnett1238]

It appears that your set of best Keys was duplicated on a key machine that's why your set of best keys is not working properly. What you need to do if you have the ability to do so is to decode the best keys and cut a new set of best keys by code. Best and Falcon Keys only works best if they are cut by a code machine only.

[@HeatherSpoonheim]

Wow, that was a tough pick. I guess I should have expected that, given that the keys barely work.

[@freshgino]

Why would you not gut it, I’m not understanding! This is 50% of the reason we watch the videos!

[@twjohnson1203]

I can't help it, but was that the worst best lock or vice- versa? After mentioning it I was hoping you would have also raked it...just for comparison purposes. I don't want you to think I enjoy watching you struggle or anything.

[@Richard.212]

It almost had you.

[@lostandfound1004]

Send it to me (with keys) and I will gut it, replace everything with new and send it back to you.

[@bosnianbill]

Thank you for the kind offer, but I sprayed some lube in it and it started working perfectly, so probably a stick pin in one of the chambers. The lock is now on it's way to it's next "victim".😀

[@lostandfound1004]

@@bosnianbill oh good, we call that (lube) locksmith in a can. Thanks for the cool lock and video and I will see you next one!

[@WizardofGOP]

Kind of hoping you would have gutted it to find out what was causing the 'stickiness'.

[@kentsugden6865]

Most SFIC locks are a real pain to gut. The pin stacks and springs are inserted from the top of the bible, then a cap is hammered on. Often can't be disassembled non-destructively. As for the stickiness? Like Bill said, it could be a worn keypin. It could also be a thin master wafer misbehaving, SFIC's are frequently master keyed

[@WizardofGOP]

@@kentsugden6865 Thanks for the explanation, awesome. Still want to see it though :)

[@Riyame]

Likely an excessive amount of off camera raking. The lock was sent out with new keys and freshly pinned and worked perfectly when it was shipped from the seller.

[@WizardofGOP]

@@Riyame Oooh! You calling out Bill on his own channel as a seller? Bad move, bro. I don't think you understand the first thing about conducting business and should maybe get into to knitting or weaving that way, when you eff up, it doesn't affect anyone else's livelihood.

[@Riyame]

@@WizardofGOP I am not the seller of this one but I do know them. They said the core was freshly pinned and key was newly cut and it worked perfectly when it was sent out.

[@roysammons2445]

Well Done on picking a sticky lock 🤣 Great job Bill. What an awesome lock.

[@evanchapmanfanman]

Based on how new the keys look, I suspect the key punch used to cut them was likely out of adjustment, or one of the pins in the lock was wrong, I don’t think that core was used much.

[@brianjrichman]

Bill: "I normally rake Best locks". I WANNA SEE YOU RAKE IT. :-)

[@ahmadaamer6]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eF7deIJsgL-dpNE

[@brianjrichman]

@@ahmadaamer6 He is such a tease!!!!!

[@jeffmoss26]

I can pin these!

[@jamesbp]

Can't get a best open for s***

[@calebculwell7340]

I have one of those locks, but mine works better

[@twjohnson1203]

Episode 24 "Someone is breaking into the house!" _A few minutes later_ "Someone... is breaking into *the house!!"* _Mumbling and grunts_ *"I said, someone is breaking into THE HOUSE!"* "Alright, alright! I'm breakin' in as fast as I can!"

[@allensmithphotography]

Those keys look hand made the profile is very round, not the v and flat I'd expect of a factory key

[@JohnLeePettimoreIII]

I paused it on 1080 resolution and those keys looked just fine. Not pristine, but certainly good enough that there shouldn't be any problems stemming from the keys.

[@allensmithphotography]

@@JohnLeePettimoreIII my thought, cause I watched at 1080 I didn't pause, but if they were hand made they could be a couple thousandths off

[@kenjessup5925]

The core should have been opened to find out what pins were used and why the keys didn't work smoothly. I expect my keys to work smoothly and this lock fails and is thus not acceptable as a product.

[@mwechtal]

This is NOT a new lock. I think the operating key and some of the key pins are worn. You can see wear on the operating key.

[@coconuttom7714]

@@mwechtal They are brand new keys lol

[@mwechtal]

@@coconuttom7714 the operating key looked worn to me. I see in the comments that it was supposed to be freshly repinned with new keys though.