(1873) Antique Eagle Desk Lock

[@knoll0351]

I'm glad you're choosing to spend your most valuable resource with the ones that deserve your time most, but I will miss your videos. Thank you for all of the knowledge you have shared with us over the years.

[@HodorsLeftShoe]

Thanks again BB for getting me interested in picking and providing so many hours of entertainment and information. Enjoy family time

[@Memes-XD]

before you started picking i said to myself that this is impossible to pick with normal picks and you'd need a zigzag pick but you did it, you actually did it, good job

[@William_Borgeson]

Bill I have an old Eagle USN brass padlock with an insane keyway. Been working on it for over a month and I can barely get a pick in there to touch the pins and that's using .15 praxis picks. I'm tempted to send it to you and see someone finally open it! Nice work, they do have some nasty but fun warding.

[@KomenCents]

May I have a try?

[@William_Borgeson]

@@KomenCents I'd love to send it to you but I'm so stubborn I want to keep trying for a few more weeks. Hit me up then and maybe we can do it.

[@KomenCents]

@@William_Borgeson hahahaha I get it. I hope you get through!

[@scott_meyer]

Looks like a lock for the roll top on a desk.

[@tommypetraglia4688]

Who's cooler than Bosnian Bill, picking that like a champ. As cool as the other side of the pillow

[@jamkpa]

Great little lock that put up a nice fight!

[@DonzLockz]

Take it, that keyway is awesome!

[@choochoochooseyou]

Proof that they did things far better back in the day.

[@gedd6750]

Tasty little lock that one.

[@bradw0535]

Very impressive little lock! Amazing what resistance a tight keyway like that will add to the overall security of the lock! Why don't more manufacturers use this method ? 🤔

[@DavidPirouet]

That lock would have to be on the end of some kind of sliding door that had two notched peg pins, so it could have been for a Roller Desk and the lock was in the desktop it would make sense for the mechanism to be flush, it could be closed if the lock in the locked position, it is spring loaded catchers.

[@PhrontDoor]

I admire the tenacity there.

[@brianborell4469]

Keyway looks brutal.

[@dekimbahrah9684]

Liking the antique lock videos :)

[@lockangel2256]

Another great video. Always make me smile. Thank you for all the fun and inspiration 🙂

[@VentureSoftCo]

Love your videos happy retirement

[@danliberty734]

Bill, you are using the SWAG method, not just guessing. Scientific, Wild A$$ Guessing.

[@iggymac3473]

Nice love the eagle locks thanks bill

[@juandejesus4756]

Thanks. Again.

[@Pyrolock]

Vintage "High Security" by excellent keyway design -- old is "new" again, take note

[@robertoswalt319]

One thing I was wondering is if when it was in the locked position if the mechanism was able to be pushed to the side and therefore exploitable. Great lock and something modern companies could learn from.

[@goneutt]

Feynman would approve after he qualified as a security risk for guessing most of the locks on “secure” cabinets.

[@sportclay1]

Wow! 7 minute Bill video! Must be no gutting....

[@Stelios.Posantzis]

So glad I found this - I thought I never would! Any chance of finding a door lock video for an Eagle lock? I have an Eagle lock (as far as I can remember) which is a family relic but we have unfortunately lost the keys for it when the door was remade. I have never seen one of these locks anywhere and maybe someone can help me. This desk lock certainly resembles it a lot - the door lock is of course a bit beefier and certainly much longer. The key ways are a definite tell-tale sign - I think mine has 5 or maybe 6? pins. I'd really love to get this lock repaired and have keys made but there's no chance I'll find anyone that can make keys for it in Greece. Ideally, I'd like to find a locksmith - not a machinist! Even more ideally (!) I'd like to find an original key!

[@peterkelley6344]

The technical term is 'Guessing'. That's good enough for me! Does Masterlock even KNOW HOW to listen. LPL and you have been after them for who knows how long for the quality (or lack there of) of their locks.

[@vicenterivera5693]

Good job!

[@pieterdewet1639]

Goodday bill i started lock picking 3 weeks ago after seeing your video over a year ago and find it is not as easy and also not to hard i have opened up some lock and now i want to take it apart but i lost my pins to that lock i also made a folower all i need now is a pinning tray and i have some trouble finding one

[@tonyfletcher2541]

Great Keyway! Don't think Master is smart enough to make that move...

[@olavl8827]

Companies like that are smart enough to make a cost vs. benefit analysis. They've probably concluded a long time ago that making a better product will not translate into making more profit. So why would they? It's not like they care.

[@ryanclay959]

Master Lock is a Cheap Lock company that is all about profits so ....

[@Lockpicker1973]

Thats a true treasure from a 4 pin standard pin lock i truly applaud 👏 the manufacturer. We know this lock is OLD. so its not like this can't be done now

[@herrkrash1980]

Very nice.. just one thing Bill- a full rev is 369 degrees.. not 180, but it will take you half the way.. ;)

[@Gameboygenius]

You have to rotate the cylinder 360 degrees in total as with any pin tumbler, so the pins will line up. But I think what Bill was saying is that nothing happens for the first 180 degrees of the turn and then the locking/unlocking happens during the last 180 degrees of the turn.

[@KomenCents]

@@Gameboygenius yeah these kinda locks latch in at around 90° before rotary completion. (The other way it starts at ~ 90°)

[@seriousmaran9414]

If only Master lock made them this way... Far too true.

[@roysammons2445]

Just shows the power of a keyway. A 4 pin lock with what we assume is all standard pins. Chuck in the mix of all that simplicity a devilish keyway and the lock suddenly become quite a challenge. Edit: I forgot to add, couldn't it be gutted?

[@tearr8760]

This is a famous lock at nineteenth-century 😳

[@4GSR]

Be interesting how they cut those keyways in the cylinder, what ever they call it, at the factory. Can't be broached because it has to have some kind of hole for a broach to start in. Do they have some sort of bandsaw set up with a round blade that cuts the profile, then come back with a broach to finish the keyway? Be interesting to know the process they used to use back in the days.

[@dickdastardly4236]

I'm guessing they use some sort of scroll saw. They could index the lock in a vise using the pin chambers and the vise could sit on four pins that slide in a track the same shape as keyway. This would be an old-school method without any computerization. I'm probably way off and the real solution is much easier.

[@stanburton6224]

I'm guessing lost wax casting with a rough hole with a broach to finish it.

[@robertoswalt319]

It was probably cast with a core in that shape. Using cores in castings is a technique that has been done for ages.

[@4GSR]

@@robertoswalt319 Yes, I'm very familiar with that process. I've worked with it for many years in my profession. Just don't see how that would be profitable for such a lock. Of course, that is probably why it is not built that way today. Even with modern locks like the infamous Master Lock, how can mass producing them be cheap? It's still a timely process of making the core, scratch that, make the wax pattern, coat it with ceramic, autoclave it, the pour the brass to make the part. Then you have to finish it! They got to be using a much simpler process! KenS.

[@kevincampbell1975]

I had the same thoughts, so I did a youtube search and found one video showing a german company with a machine that uses 16 different small broaches for the keyway. It was surprizing to see how quickly that cylinder shot through that machine. Of course this is an older lock, so they may not have done it that way in the olden days.

[@Relaysandthings]

That’s probably from an old rolltop desk, where the top of it would roll down kind of like a garage door

[@12345rogerdodge]

They used to be called box locks years ago.

[@warrenjansen7096]

It seems like it would have to be a lock for something like a roll top desk. Something has to come down into those locking pawls in order for it to engage them. It's not set up as a drawer lock.

[@Gunny-nq1pb]

Nice

[@nyfirefighter357k6]

I have a 40mm Eagle lock I can't get picked because of the tight, key way!

[@juandejesus4756]

Great

[@judih.8754]

You slipped up Bill. All the way around is 360 degrees not 180!

[@hdezn26]

Masterlock IS paying attention. they will make the next lock with wider warding lol.

[@Doc_Fartens]

Is 10thou the thinnest pick size available, or do they come in, for example, 7-8 thou?

[@michaelking3327]

looks like it might have been for a roll-top desk.

[@daveb6722]

I call it pressing pins till it works.

[@Victor21H]

Why don't the just make small keyways for every lock for pick resistance?

[@mmay3315]

when you turned the keyway 180 degrees how do the pins not fall out?

[@jdrissel]

That lock is for a roll-top desk.

[@KomenCents]

I broke my tooth watching this

[@mercoid]

So.., about how old is it? 75-80 years??

[@Twenty-fifthofMay1967]

I'd love to know if any pickers vote down Bill's videos...

[@mohammedamaya3901]

👌

[@gizmo1252000]

why are the Sparrows Disk Detainer Pick ,not being sold in the uk by sparrows .there is,nt a single supplier of sparrows lock picks and products in the uk ,selling this item , i,ve hunted high and low . im pretty annoyed with sparrows . i can buy everything else by sparrows in the uk ,except this detainer pick . :(

[@ghislainlecomte4161]

360 (full turn),not 180 (half turn)

[@Westhelockpicker]

Best I can do is 12 thousands I wouldn't of had a chance

[@juandejesus4756]

Please show mee

[@croatia2752]

Kad bosanac postane Englez

[@juandejesus4756]

Great