188: Mike Israetel - Genetics & Bodybuilding: Play the genetics card

[@ReviveStronger]

Timestamps: 00:23 When is the genetics card appropriate to bring up 11:39 Results and genetics. They got to the point despite of what they do and not because of what they do 17:06 What if the training actually was the best thing for an individual even if that contradicts our common understanding 22:45 How to take someone from a poor training & nutrition mindset to a great one 32:37 Central fatigue impacting longterm progression? Or is it just an acute sensation 35:46 Utility in training past failure, especially in the week before a deload? 42:23 Drop-in fatigue throughout a meso 48:02 How long does it take for a muscle to be fully resensitised and ready to go 51:14 Active recovery vs. longer maintenance phases 57:42 How to gauge signs of MEV? Relative intensity vs. volume 01:05:39 What's to come in 2020 and exercise science development

[@boxerfencer]

16:27 Mike's tick is triggered by Hall mentioning Lyle McDonald.

[@optimisticoutreach1236]

Please...enough with this guy. Loves to hear himself and display what he read last night. Time to get down to earth, out of the lab and into the gym again! Used to love this channel...

[@boxerfencer]

@@optimisticoutreach1236 uh, used to love this channel? While i agree there needs to be more variety, you suggest this channel was anything prior to Mike Israetel putting it on the map. Mike has been around since the beginning, before Pascal, when Steve was with his earlier partner, whose name escapes me, who he dumped and assume the reason for the name alteration, before this operation got this corporate antispectic feeling and got obsessed with micromanaging services, product, and image.

[@ReviveStronger]

True that, Mike has been longer part of the thing than I have :) - Pascal

[@kpklz]

Genetics also impact behavior. One could argue that Ronnie had "better genetics" since he had the body AND the ability to consistently produce better behavior.

[@ReviveStronger]

He was the king! - Pascal

[@MrDeanmfitz]

There is no observable evidence that this aspect of his behavior is more a consequence of genetics or environment.

[@tomwaitsfornoone1182]

@@MrDeanmfitz and yet they clearly both play a part, and even if we determine it leans in one direction it does not discount the other.

[@MrDeanmfitz]

@@tomwaitsfornoone1182 exactly

[@yersongutierrez9410]

I loved how well Mike explained deloads and active resting. Right on time for my next deload before my first macrocycle of the year. As usual, great content!

[@ReviveStronger]

There you go! Thanks for listening! - Pascal

[@rickblair5076]

52:40 When Dr. Mike said "here comes a highly inappropriate analogy", I put my seatbelt on, and he didn't disappoint.---absolutely hilarious

[@ReviveStronger]

Haha, he never does - Pascal

[@boxerfencer]

I love how Mike's tick is triggered by Hall mentioning Lyle McDonald. 16:27

[@petehaglund8840]

boxerfencer starts blinking rapidly

[@christianevans2956]

Absolutely outside of the normal physiological range response

[@cdrtej]

Hes blinking all day, as he often does. Occasionally has mentioned why.

[@ReviveStronger]

I think he said it at some point. Can't recall though - Pascal

[@ClumpypooCP]

@@cdrtej Where does Mike mention why?

[@JamesKintner]

So what, two, three years watching? Listening to the quality of questions is really heartening. Pascal, Steve keep up the amazing content! As for Dr. Mike, I'd listen to him read a cereal box (probably for the fat to carb macros, but still).

[@ReviveStronger]

Mate, thanks a lot for the continuous support! - Pascal

[@asp6415]

Always great to hear from Doctor Mike

[@ReviveStronger]

It is! - Pascal

[@philippdieser397]

Member Site Squad checking in!

[@ReviveStronger]

Hahaaaa! Enjoy the early access ;)

[@austinmorris3422]

Thanks for adding the timestamps.

[@ReviveStronger]

No worries :) - Pascal

[@PaytonDowns]

I see Mike I click and share!

[@ReviveStronger]

That's how to do it! - Pascal

[@nikolamanojlovicci]

The nut hugger segment had me in tears. Mike is hilarious.

[@JohnProph]

its funny because Mike himself has a loyal following of nuthuggers....wouldnt you agree?

[@ReviveStronger]

Mike

[@grizzlymanverneteil4443]

I wanna see mike put greg doucette through a workout, and vice versa.

[@ReviveStronger]

That'd be interesting. If he vomits as well? - Pascal

[@Neofolis]

I love Mike's optimism about how the world will be once we know exactly how hypertrophy works, but he should take a look at fat loss. We know exactly how that works, create a calorie deficit, couldn't really be more simple, yet how many new weird approaches appear each year that will work so much better than any previous approach.

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeah, but it's still a move towards the truth - Pascal

[@Neofolis]

@@ReviveStronger I totally agree, it will be a great thing. The problem is that in the same way that people who struggle to lose weight look for alternative answers or reasons other than they are obviously not creating a consistent calorie deficit over time, the same will still be true for those who struggle to gain muscle, even if we know exactly how hypertrophy works. As a result, there will still be people wanting to make money out of those people who believe there must be another answer, so there will still be a huge amount of misinformation.

[@evangodbee2425]

"what do you see coming in 2020?" If only we could have known

[@ReviveStronger]

Definitely not that xD - Coach Jess

[@jonfreelove]

Love a Mike Q&A great work chaps

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for always tuning in Jonathon! - Pascal

[@J90JAM]

Can you guys stop making great episodes, it's eating into my gym time 😄 On genetics, I kind of like the idea of having "bad" genetics and still looking great. That underdog mentality I guess. Mike is so right about looking at other people's technique with a slight smirk when you realise how important ROM is. Full ROM changes the game.

[@ironfist9414]

I guess muscle insertions are genetic. Bad muscle insertions could lead to people blaming genetics.

[@ReviveStronger]

We'll never stop!! - Pascal

[@nick_420]

Dr Mike as a training partner would be a dream. All my training partners never rock up twice a week and want to bro lift.

[@ReviveStronger]

I'd love that! - Pascal

[@burner1303]

Great podcast as always. I'm beat to shit right now and am thinking I'll try a 2 week active recovery right now to prepare for my next macrocycle and hopefully not end up so fucked up at the end of it 😂

[@ReviveStronger]

One week in, how is it going? :) - Pascal

[@utubebrowseupload]

What is the URL to the podcast mike referenced in the first minutes in the podcast? simon ludmond's podcast? i couldnt find it on google

[@davidsen188]

Me neither

[@ReviveStronger]

Someone in the comment section asked for it already and there's the link - Pascal

[@j-khantraining4431]

great video mate. One day, I will come on your show. It is inevitable.

[@ReviveStronger]

Proof it. I'd be happy if you do proof it - Pascal

[@osmosinsane9611]

Should someone workout until systemic fatigue everytime? Is systemic recovery something psychological more than physical? If i feel all the muscles dieing to a point where climbing stairs becomes more of a challenge than the whole leg workout and feel great 3 days later to attack it again psychologically and physically, is there anything about fatigue that maybe i do not take into consideration just because i dont feel the negative effects of it? In short; is fatigue something you absolutely can gage with the feel? Or are there hidden factors?

[@fd-pj3uk]

I would Say Stress Impact Hypertrophy Training to a karger degree thsn Many people think. This is a Point where people maybe think is The Genetic but is maybe Just The stress

[@ReviveStronger]

Stress can play a major effect on hypertrophy, however, if you're genetically blessed, not even this will hinder the greatness - Pascal

[@JohnProph]

has anyone found the podcast Dr Mike references in the opening comments? Simon Ludman? I cant find anything

[@ReviveStronger]

The lifting dermatologist I think you mean? - Pascal

[@JohnProph]

@@ReviveStronger he mentions a name that sounds like "Simon Ludman". The lifting derma guy is Steven Devos I think

[@JohnProph]

I found it. 'Muscle with Brain" kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHLYdYKJpM-Fg5I

[@jlpl3291]

Comments on a squat press machine used instead of a leg press?

[@ReviveStronger]

What exactly do you want thoughts on? - Pascal

[@RandoBox]

Simon Ludman? Could not find the podcast...

[@caioloureiro360]

i guess mike was referring to this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHLYdYKJpM-Fg5I

[@ni23237]

@@caioloureiro360 Thank you I couldn't find it!

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for posting! - Pascal

[@fd-pj3uk]

Which kcal plus you recommend for a natty and which for in Guy ob some super Supplements?

[@Zilla9k]

He said 250 natty.

[@ReviveStronger]

Both around 200-300 on average - Pascal

[@fd-pj3uk]

@@ReviveStronger OK, i think people in Steroids can eat more, because they Can more muscle?

[@jimjones6901]

How do you get to ask a question on here? Do you have to be a patreon supporter or something?

[@ReviveStronger]

Either over in our facebook group or on our membersite :) - Pascal

[@jimjones6901]

@@ReviveStronger thank you sir!

[@mike77588]

25:00h leg press - is it 20 reps for 4-6 sets?

[@ReviveStronger]

Killer - Pascal

[@mike77588]

Love that you use kilogramms!

[@ReviveStronger]

Metric system

[@icejumperke]

#SQUAAAAAAAAD 🔥 Since there were no sneak peeks in the mail that was sent out on Thursday, it’s as much of a mystery to me as to you who’s gonna be on today 🤷‍♂️ Though I have a feeling that it’s gonna be Mike 😂 If so: thank you Mike for taking the time for this 🙏 And thanks Pascal & Steve too 🙏 Edit: nice, I was right 🙈😂 - Wezz

[@ReviveStronger]

Always!! Wezz, why aren't you in the membersite!! - Pascal

[@Wheysted82]

can someone who is 20-25 bodyfat% 101kg 37 years old that have been fat o and off through school time and first years in collage under 7- 8 years training experience get jacked and around 10-15 bodyfat and keep the fat the fat off and/or have the genatics to be jjacked? before 4 years i was at around 15% but i started a PED cycle and started to eat shit junk food and stuff i gained alot of fat and i just cant seem to take it off since then

[@ReviveStronger]

Only one way to find out! - Pascal

[@fd-pj3uk]

Wie steht ihr zu israetels Meinung das 25mg winstrol 30 bis 60 Tage als cycle keine Probleme nach dem Absetzen verursachen wird?

[@ReviveStronger]

Keine Ahnung von sowas - Pascal

[@gamerchristina1079]

1:06:11 was Mike correct about his 2020 prediction? He predicted studies after studies would happen during the year 2020 🤣 screw year 2020! We have no idea what the future holds!

[@ReviveStronger]

Not too sure to be honest, this is an old episode, haven't listened to it in a while! - Coach Jess

[@J90JAM]

"Emotional and psychotic one time a month" - reminds of something else. It's a period joke.

[@TheFatSteez]

J90JAM It’s just a joke. Period.

[@ReviveStronger]

Loooool - Pascal

[@yohannesmathyasjr4947]

🐐

[@ReviveStronger]

I concur! - Pascal

[@johnfurr5698]

"I don't know how partying enhances your bodybuilding." your historical self answered this question 10 minutes prior! "Life is beautiful and it's such a multifaceted tapestry.. Fuck all this hypertrophy training." LMAO. I agree with Mike I just found this somewhat funny. Maybe the guy's doing blow and ecstasy as a contest prep know good and well they aren't going to win and can only go so far so they say fuck it...life is a beautiful tapestry. :)

[@ReviveStronger]

It most definitely is ;) - Pascal

[@fleacydarko]

Great commercial that was so perfect

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeah, we needed to step it up :P- - Pascal

[@jsmithes]

I'm elated

[@ReviveStronger]

I'm elated that you're elated - Pascal

[@Oracol]

45:20 😂🤣😭😭

[@ReviveStronger]

Hahaha, gold! - Pascal

[@benediktkrob2883]

With all due respect I think Mike‘s answer to the first question was not very good: a period of „2-4 years“ in order to spot if someone has good genetics is just ridiculous to me. I think you can usually see that within 3-6 months of training (in the way that Mike describes)...

[@ReviveStronger]

Hehe, very likely. - Pascal

[@cdrtej]

Did y'all see flex lost a foot?

[@ReviveStronger]

Seriously?! - Pascal

[@jackryan5766]

"Mike, what do you see coming in 2020? What's the big thing?” Who could have known it was effing Covid 😩

[@ReviveStronger]

Lol, the world went to shot ever since then 😅

[@klajdikaca1991]

Who the fuck dislikes?

[@ReviveStronger]

Lyle McDonald

[@jsmith108]

I want to bulk but I hate what it does to my face. I'm lifting to be more attractive, and even if my arms get bigger it doesnt matter if it ruins face

[@emiljorgensen5340]

I feel you, just embrace it and think of how great you will look in the future

[@themrdubelina]

Have the same only with cutting ...🥺

[@visionofdisorder]

i literally look 10% fatter in my face, it's terrible.

[@ReviveStronger]

I'm mr moonface and I learned to not care about it anymore - Pascal

[@christianevans2956]

Longest yawn ever to start it off

[@ReviveStronger]

Haha, he simply doesn't care! - Pascal

[@kartiksingh8605]

1:05:50 watching in 2020 and these is making me laugh

[@REPSDirect]

Favorable genetics provides the foundation for unholy training results, period.

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for sharing this and watching :) - Coach Jess

[@Eugguy190722]

I wish I could hear what they are saying.

[@ReviveStronger]

Why can't you? - Pascal

[@optimisticoutreach1236]

Please...enough with this guy. Loves to hear himself and display what he read last night. Time to get down to earth, out of the lab and into the gym again! Used to love this channel...

[@caelanjb]

Optimistic Outreach what

[@14SoccerLee]

You really are highlighting your lack of awareness with this comment. Mike is a leading expert in the field. Go back to watching Greg Doucette videos for pleasure.

[@optimisticoutreach1236]

The "field" is full of "experts"...anyone can read a book and recite it. And that's what he does. A dime a dozen...maybe cheaper. Highlight that.

[@ReviveStronger]

But you still find the time to comment. Thanks a lot for it. - Pascal

[@higgsking]

I like Greg more.

[@ReviveStronger]

Greg Nuckols is a great guy, I agree - Pascal

[@Turbo-D]

😴

[@ReviveStronger]

Too boring? - Pascal

[@Turbo-D]

@@ReviveStronger yes! so much talk again but very view interesting new information, i have to say if you listen to just one of mikes podcast you nearly know them all! more theory that is not practically working and sustainable for 99% of the gym guys out there, much to complicated and over the top, the guys who are looking the best are just going to the gym crushing weights! consistency is the key, everything else will come with time. thats no hate just constructive criticism, you can sit here talking for an our or just shut up and train instead, what do you think will produce more muscle growth? i`m always open for new stuff to try but that`s way too much and over the top, like you try to shoot a bird with a cannon. ;)

[@ReviveStronger]

Sure, 99% of gymgoers but I doubt that this is the case for the 1% of people who really want to get better. For some people, the "train hard" mentality and approach simply doesn't seem to work out and these are the people getting into the field to understand more about physiology, lifting, nutrition, etc. It's not because they're lazy, it's because whatever has worked for the big guys didn't work for them.

[@nikosrosos5180]

Eat until you get staffed , unpleasant full force feed your whole life, great fitnee advice😂,follow your own advice you lift your whole life you are on gear and you look average so change hobiie

[@Zilla9k]

Have you seen the thumbnail? You won’t ever have the conditioning even close to his. He’s talking about a good diet with a surplus of 250cals , It’s hard to gain lots of fat on healthy foods that are high in nutritional value.

[@nikosrosos5180]

@@Zilla9k keep dreaming he was huge fat 270 natural ,do you even listen? With rods it's about 240 so imagine ho fat he was like 30% or more I've been more conditioned and natural, i ve competed natural on stage with zero fat burners ,except green tea no dierutics zero steroids

[@Sealed_Chamber]

@@nikosrosos5180 ur a liar

[@drboyton1]

@@nikosrosos5180 it shows how little you know that you think (non-steroid) fat burners are even a thing.

[@nikosrosos5180]

@@drboyton1 define thing? Clen it's harmful fir the 💓 T3 I'd bad in the long process gw may cause cancer in tho long term especially if it is combined with GH secretagogue or GH injectable , other enjecrable fatburnurs likebgh fragment get used immediately and you shoot more and more like 3 times a day , are you schooled enough?

[@muscleandmath2910]

I just came across this again and saw the date it was posted. We were so young and naive, how the world would change. Truly simpler times 🥹🥲