Noticed the middle ground answer tends to always be the right one in all areas of life!!!

who agrees this is exactly what RP and Dr Mike preaches and how he communicates the science. No one ever says "read the paper and do exactly as the paper has participants do". Strawman.

Partly RP’s silly change from being serious to bending over to the youtube algorithm…

Bf watching the vid: We hate them because they're not science-based lifters, they're just trying to become celebraties, using "science" as a marketing tool to keep making content and "PhD" as a backup for all the nonsense they say

Since GVS lives in China, does he eat a lot of dumplings when bulking. Chinese dumplings are the best and they have so many different kinds with tasty sauces.

Using practical experience... is literally... using science

You guys have no idea of the catastrophy to come.

This was a great chat!

I don't think GVS has any room to be calling anybody weak lol his triceps are really small as well

I find I'm more satisfied if I have a decent amount of fat with my protein. For instance, if I have 150g of chicken breast, I'm not as satisfied as when I have 150g of pork shoulder steak or a rib eye steak.

On the lengthened partials, I wonder if it’s really just more important that the exercise in general places the muscle in a lengthened position compared to other exercises and not so much the range of motion? I know what Milo says etc. but, maybe that’s more-so the beneficial aspect. Because, as much as I try to wrap my head around it, I don’t see how mechanically disadvantageous ranges of motion work well. Not that I’m pro full range of motion either.

You guys have nerves. You’re busy with the role of evidence based in lifting while the whole world is going nuts and an orange monster destroys your country from the inside.

Why do we hate science-based lifters? Cause literally no science based lifter in the world has a decent physique, they all look like ultra marathon runners

Lifting kinda reminds me of martial arts. MMA came out and kinda just used what works and blew the traditional systems out of the water.

There must be some agreement to not mention Israetel here. He's the biggest reason for this science based backlash and no one mentions him smh

One of the best shows and an even more awesome guest. Even better with the D&D reference :)

The problem is the people selling themselves as "science-based" are often cherry-picking bad data AND some compound it by recommending bro stuff-like Cyborg slow reps and wrapping that into "muh science-based." And the "exercise scientists" using the term "doctor" which is meant to deceive, not inform.

Still puny, but still lifting (and jogging and walking long distances) at 68.

I think science influencers can get a little “I know the truth cuz science” and then the scientific models don’t always pan out. The inverse is often true too. So, we all have to be so careful when communicating, on either side. We are all just trying to figure it out.

Great content!!!

Ive thought a lot on the topic of people not thinking lifting is worth it unless they get really great results because I was one of those people. I was doing some deep introspection one day and i realised that within me was the idea that its okay to be unsatisfied with my body if im not putting effort into it but it would be depressing to put effort into it and still be unsatisfied with my body. And my first reaction to saying to myself consciously was isnt that a kinda dumb reason to sabotage my own health? It was a big catalyst for me taking exercise more seriously and eventually ive gotten pretty regular at working out, although im pretty casual about it and dont follow a program or anything. Since then ive realised that part of the problem was that I was miscalculating the cost in effort of pursuing fitness: once youve spent enough time exercising, the difficulty of the average exercise session is not so far off to the effort expended in like showering everyday or doing laundry or something. And nowadays after exercising regularly for like a year ive figured out things i like about it and i even look forward to it. I hated any and all physical activities since childhood so I never ever expected it could turn out that way and my reluctance to do exercise stemmed from that

Im a physics based lifter. I am on a logarithmic progression where I track my progress in dB

This research goes back and forth over the years. Go to failure, don't go to failure, back and forth. I find going to failure on squats or deadlifts is less effective and stupid, CNS overtraining. On bench presses I leave a few reps in reserve too. I bench press only 330 pounds raw. but recently loss 18 pounds due to illness suddenly lost it, and I am 55 years old and do not use and have never used gear. I have trained 40 years. As a powerlifter my bench was 500 pounds 13 years ago, and my deadlift was astronomical. I weighted 283 then with cloths, I am 231 with cloths right now. When I went to failure, my results were less and plateaued. I became much stronger periodizing by percentages, modified over the weeks based on RPE. My asthma is now where near as bad when I have more power as the muscles involved in breathing are so strong the Respiratory therapist rates them 170 % which is 70% stronger than the normal maximum for a healthy man in his 20s. This mean without being about to pass out but getting the full amount of oxygen, I get asthma attacks that I did not feel so no stress, no stress response or increase in stress hormones so the growths n my lungs stop growing and start again when I lose too ,much weight due to muscle loss, then stop when I gain back the muscle. I never smoked.

"I don't follow science, I'm more into biomechanics". Speechless.

I dont think people hate science based lifters i think wat they hate is people saying don't do it this way do it this way. Its people saying u can't instead of just saying maybe try this instead

GVS is valuable part of each and every podcast 😊

I do not trust nasal people. Milo Wolf is nasal. And science based. Go figure!! .

Also, GVS mentioned that you don't really need high meal frequency to maximise gains, and you only really need about 4 protein servings per day. That is also not necessary. There was a study that proved that protein is still being digested 20+ hours after a meal. Meaning that as long as you are eating once a day, you are fine in terms of muscle gain.

Geoffrey strikes me as a very homoerotic man, that's an important quality for a content creator in this space to have, no?

this guy is dishonest, no one thinks 50 sets was the point of the study. he doesn't even understand what science was trying to accomplish. he creates straw men arguments he is truely a moron.

My two favourites…. Well Saturday is sorted !! 🙌🙌

You guys can't even agree what failure is. much less what is science based. This is just gym bros not understanding science and bashing what they don't understand.

I just don't wanna train like a delicate pencil neck daffodil. Hoist heavy ass loads, eat a fuck ton of protein, sleep enough and repeat.

9:37 GVS's point on anyone being an outlier in some regard is akin to the joke that most Physics knowledge only apply to circular points on a vacuum, and I kinda like it. When considering real world individuals/situations one would have a ton of interfering variables, as he points out

damn 3 GVS podcasts in 2 days, this is insane

Come ooon brooo, no self-deprecation if that's even a word lool. Science is really cool. Like lengthened tension, shortned tensions, synergy, compensation, the stuff that you can't really "bro" yourself through.

Loved the first pod with GVS, excited to dig into this one!

2 of my favourite Nattys ❤

AJ is so humble! He’s the man

Mike is so angry 😂

5yrs hence, what are the findings?

I still appreciate Mikes content but his ego is so out of control that he is unable to take criticism or walk back his objectively wrong takes.

Pascals humour cracks me up…. The comment about getting a nose ring. I nearly came off the road laughing 😂😂

Interesting chat Lads. I think I’m able to determine good advice from bad or just have my own opinions. I don’t follow everything Mike says. I take some of his content with a grain of salt in particular his volume based progression which I just don’t think works for a natty. I don’t agree with the whole Milo LP thing. I feel there’s benefit to the contracted position. He’s clearly a very smart guy with great insights.

@Steve, as a full time nomad and bodybuilder, I highly recommend looking into SE Asia if you haven't, for your holiday. Thailand, Bali, and even the Philippines offer much of the same experience as the Maldives for a fraction of the cost, with much warmer and more authentic people. For the prices you're talking about (even on the lower range) you can get a white glove experience that you and surely the misses would enjoy.

If your surname is Coleman, I’m gonna listen 😂

Ninja Creami De Luxe 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

Mike comes across as a giant know-it-all with a huge ego

BALD I'm bald too, but still BALD!

Commenting for algorithm. Really like this channel