1885 Winchester Rifle in 2021

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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.

[@mcsniper77]

All good early Winchester Rifles were designed by J.M. Browning. The man should have a national holiday named after him.

[@ironDsteele]

The Liberals would cancel it.

[@axelsprangare2579]

It's the 24:th of january! Look it up!

[@danielcurtis1434]

Well yeah but your missing the fact he didn’t have anything to do with the 1860 Henry or the 1866 Winchester. Without that foundation he would have never made the 1886 and the derivatives there of. None of Brownings patents we’re “cutting edge”. He was great at innovation in a simple and efficient design. However he didn’t invent lever actions pump action semi auto pistols or any new operating system (with the exception of early gas operation). I don’t mean to take away from he genuine Genius that was John Browning. However he didn’t do anything that didn’t have some basis. And this is just the way most inventions work. You modify you contribution and make your work known. There were also incredible engineers that turned his prototypes into a gun that could be mass produced fir profit. That is a hugely important job that is guaranteed to get under appreciated!!!

[@RNKel1]

Yes he should. He basically armed our military

[@candelariosanchez273]

@@danielcurtis1434 you are a sad person!

[@Tadicuslegion78]

This may shock you Ron, but there are young people like me who appreciate guns of wood and blued steel

[@mackledoodle]

Amen

[@fantomphoenix6170]

Been wanting one since I was 14 or 15, I’m 18 now and still come back to these videos to look at them

[@fedup3582]

Glad to hear there are young people who appreciate old style classic wood and blued steel. Do you really like the fancy wood, like I do?

[@fantomphoenix6170]

@@fedup3582 I know I do

[@Anschutz270]

Same. I prefer the Ruger No. 1 and have one in 375 h&h but would not turn down an 1885.

[@candelariosanchez273]

I own a 1885 chambered in 7mm mag and it’s an outstanding piece of art and very accurate was my first hunting rifle I’ve had it for many years it’s definitely a family keeper!

[@Bayan1905]

I own two 1885 Winchesters, an original in .32-20 made in 1889 and an Uberti made version in .38-40, both low walls and both are excellent shooters. The .32-20 is capable of one hole accuracy, not bad for a gun made a couple decades before the first airplane left the ground.

[@ringofasho7721]

I got the Uberti high wall in .45-70. I have killed 99% of my deer with it for the past 10 years. It gets me in the woods a week early (primitive season) and I almost always kill all 3 or 4 I need for the year in that 1 week. I stalk with it and just use iron sights, but man that 300 grain bullet always drops em. Even got a doe at 120 yards last year

[@commoncorysense1809]

@@ringofasho7721 Respectfully disagree that there is much “Primitive’ about that setup

[@kentsanders7127]

Ok.

[@vvvci]

Thanks for the historical intro to young John Moses Browning. We see so many pictures of him later in life, after he was acknowledged as the world's premier gun designer... but thanks for showing that he was brilliant as a youth, too, designing and fabricating a massively strong falling block breech rifle with little more than primitive tools

[@brentanderson4304]

I never fail to be amazed by what what John Browning accomplished in his life. The gun is truly a work of art. I am definitely interested in checking this out for a new deer rifle. Thanks for a great video.

[@disgustedvet9528]

Hopefully not in .17 caliber.

[@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill]

@@disgustedvet9528 Yeah, Im sure he means a high wall version.

[@brentanderson4304]

Yes, I want to look at a 270 Win. I love my bolt actions, but there's special appeal about beauty in simplicity..

[@williammcclelland6789]

@@brentanderson4304 That would be a great choice for that 28 inch barrel. It would probably wring out all of the ballistics of all the 270/30-06 class of cartridges. Too bad they dont produce a 35 Whelen or a 338-06.

[@kenmargison9095]

@@disgustedvet9528 try a 17 hmr they seem, for some reason to shoot way better then the wsm 17.

[@312luisr]

The rifle arrived today and I dialed in the scope just a couple hours ago kzbin.infoUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL . I haven’t shot with a scope in probably 25 years. The X on the left was my target. (the shot almost in the bullseye on the right X was my father in laws first shot after I made adjustments) The two shots circled are my first 2 shots. Then I brought it down - shot once. Then brought it over to the left. From there zeroed it in to dead center. This all was from 25 yards out. Follow instructions carefully when mounting the scope. So far I'm very happy with the purchase.

[@larrysayers1377]

The 1885 was once chambered in the 6.5 Swede back a number of years ago. I should have got one.

[@yukeenkape2540]

Hi.. from lucky one.👍

[@DrHenley]

I have a low wall in 22 Hornet. With handloads tuned to the rifle, it will make 1/4" cloverleafs on a good day. Factory ammo makes huge groups. That's the problem with rimfires, you are at the mercy of the ammo manufacturers. I fired a 20 shot consecutive string without stopping to let the barrel cool down. I put 10 rounds inside a 1" ShootNSee spot, and on just barely outside.

[@timothywalsh2955]

My 1885 Winchester/Browning in .270 caliber shot at the top of the target also using the Talley Mfg. scope base. I fabricated a .031" thick brass shim for the forward foot of the Talley Mfg. scope base which brought the shot group down below the bull's eye when the Leupold scope vertical adjustment was set in the middle of it's range of adjustment. Just a few MOA clicks put the bullet group right in the bull's eye.

[@fuddrucker74]

Thank you, Mr. Spomer.

[@perarduaadastra873]

I have one in .260 Remington. Great deer rifle.

[@factorybear5264]

I bet. Probably helps force you to be more accurate

[@perarduaadastra873]

@@factorybear5264 Never had any feeling of disadvantage with a falling block over a magazine fed rifle for deer stalking. A shot is taken only when guaranteed, irrespective of rifle mechanism. One can reload a falling block surprisingly fast if necessary.

[@TheProHunting]

I like it when shooters show real time shooting "problems" and how they realistically work through the process to get somewhere. Because at the end of the day it is that which makes you a better shooter.

[@mitchellnowacki3673]

Mr. Spomer i must say that of all contemporary firearms/cartridge/hunting aficionados, you are by far my favorite. We are so lost in AR15,misguided 6.5creedmoor hype, sniper.308 inherent accuracy, tactical , short barreled velocity robbing nonsense nowadays that these super fun falling block rifles may become extinct. Im 47yrs old and even people of my age dont understand why i pine over ruger #1 rifles. I find your content so entertaining. Please keep up the great work for those of us that have tried it all and came back to the basics that make the shooting and hunting sports so addictive. I will be joining your patreon!

[@samueldamewood5273]

Love the 85. I have the Browning LoWall in 260 Rem and you couldn't ask for a better hunting arm 7lbs all up, a natural handling rifle and a joy to carry

[@demonrathunter]

Thanks Ron !

[@jmkhenka]

I must say, your content is well made (video, audio) and a treat to watch. Keep the quality content up!

[@doomfathertm8771]

.17 is popular in the UK for small and medium game, foxes etc... The range is not bad on them

[@gone547]

I have an 1885 High-Wall Browning BPCR in 40-65, beautiful rifle.

[@michaelpeery8487]

I've been woundering how this model handled. Thank you so much for this video.

[@kindsir2734]

Well, I have a heavy barreled Browning B78( miroku) that purchased for 800.00- Canadian. The stars must of aligned on the particular day I bought it. This one is a .270 wcf and I take it everywhere. Shoots bugholes and I have also cleaned out the barrel channel. It is heavier than my synthetic/ stainless turnbolt rifles but is very compact to carry horseback or afoot. It is 38ish inches long and has a 24" barrel. I might even shorten the barrel. One thing for sure, when you pull it out, people notice it. It's short overall length makes it so portable, can carry it across my lap when horseback.

[@mic982]

In my humble opinion still one of the most beautiful rifles ever made - even without any adornment or dress.

[@GaveMeGrace1]

Thank you

[@charlesprice3386]

Great Review ...I really like you took the time give viewer a solid overview of the rifle’ s practical accuracy and someways to tune it and make it a more consistent shooter.

[@EdAb]

I love the "conversational", unedited feel of this video. A lot of people try this approach, but it still comes off sounding scripted. Even with the relaxed feel of the video you were smooth and informative, without the rambling that a lot of presenters end up with when they try to wing it. I think a lot of people feel the need to fill the silence with inane chatter. Well done! Is this the way you always make videos... I wonder why I'm only noticing now? Cheers

[@pecospest]

I have two. An italian replica semi Schuetzen and a Miroku Traditional Hunter . The Uberti does not cock on closing, you have to close the breech and cock to fire . In the Miroku (Winchester or Browning ) there is a little trick you didn't mention , which improves handling safety and helps if you are wearing gloves . You actually never have to touch the hammer. ( that's probably why Browning made it so small ) When you load the gun , while you are lifting the lever pull the trigger , and the block closes without cocking the hammer. When you decide to cock it , just lower the lever a little , then pull it up and the hammer is cocked.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Cool trick. Thanks pecos.

[@tonnywildweasel8138]

Shooting single shots, the easy pace, always relaxes me a lot. Nice vid!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Wild. I agree. Relaxing endeavor.

[@ashmerch2558]

I liked the opening poem ! too bad we didn't see more rifles like it !

[@piotrlenarczyk5803]

Thank you for video.

[@warrenlilly2091]

You didn't say anything about the long barrel and yet with no action it is a carbine length gun! Very handy that way as only John Browning could imagine 🤠

[@henrymoreland8719]

Thanks.

[@joshuareed3999]

I can’t thank you enough for the quality content you provide. New subscriber here. Thank you.

[@Mark-uq9km]

Schadenfreude to know other good shooters also struggle sometimes to get their weapons tuned. Of course, at my age, I think it is wise to blame the guy squeezing the trigger and not my reloads or the weapon itself. Thanks, Ron, for another informative and fun posting.

[@livingintheLight.]

I have one 17hmr. Beautiful gun and super accurate

[@royshobe6642]

Thanks for making this video

[@Darkhalfcustoms]

Your video goes crazy at 8:44 ish. Might need to check it out.

[@duggydo]

Glad someone else saw that. I thought it might have been too much whiskey.

[@williameberhart3505]

Thanks for your effort.

[@toldroyd1]

One of my deer hunting buddies had the same rifle with the Browning name on it in .220 Swift. It would not stablize bullets heavier than 65 Grains, but boy how it shot. I was concerned with a .22 caliber for deer hunting but one shot on an 8 point Muley dropped him where he stood.

[@williamshao1985]

This is a beautiful rifle.

[@stanleymerritt2893]

I have recently discovered the You Tube series Ron Spomer Outdoors, I can honestly say that I am delighted. It is interesting and informative. Keep up the good work.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@mcgiver9474]

like your show and reloading '+ magazine articles.

[@johnnorman7708]

The Madis book has a photo of one of these in a sort of "baby" carbine configuration in .25-35. That little set up always intrigued me. A feather weight carbine shooting a quarter inch diameter cartridge that is deer capable really has potential. Especially with today's powder and bullet technology.

[@jasonjackson6055]

Spomer, I am a big fan. I was looking for something else and this showed up in my feed. The rifle was so beautiful that I couldn't resist watching. I'm thinking a .243 is in my future. On a side note, I hate the 17. Thank you for all of your absolutely excellent content. Many of us are students of history, and you sir, are a scholar.

[@billrea66]

I have an 1885 in .243 calibre . Beautiful rifle . Was my second falling block , first being an 1885 in 45-70 , alas it slipped and damned near broke my shoulder . Hence , I traded it for the .243 .

[@chris_2413]

I have one in 223 and it’s a straight killer. I’d like to get one in 22 hornet next.

[@johnkaraphillis754]

I enjoy your videos. Had a octagonal barrel in 22-250 that shot lights out. Very well made and impressive accuracy. Hopefully they don’t use same adjustment as x-bolt.

[@chriswimberly8060]

I own a savage 17wsm that now shots incredibly well with the 25gr bullets. Took around 100 shots to get the barrel seasoned in before it calmed down. 1/2 groups at 100 yards with no wind. Kepp shooting ron, it will get better. I will be looking into this little single shot soon. Great video

[@dexterwarrington8615]

I bought one recently in .22LR. First time out I got it dialed in. After about 15 shots I was able to hold 3 shot groups at 50 yards.

[@danielduba4101]

I have one just like that 22 mag. It was 1200 bucks. I can shoot 3" 5 shot groups at 100 yards iron sights with mine. I bought the highwall high grade version in .30-06 shortly after. Paid less for the `06 than the 22 mag. The `06 can keep5 shots touching at 100 yards with 168 grain Sierra hand loads. Both beautiful rifles.

[@poeoconnor8634]

I've been thinking about getting one in a 6.5 prc. I have a Seekins Bravo in this caliber. But, them High Walls are beautiful!!

[@rogerpaulsen8321]

My 1885 Miroku is in 22-250 unfired. Been in the back of the safe for a few years. Looking for Talley 3/4" rings for the Leupold 4.5-14. In the meantime I'm still wacking Coyotes with my 700 22-250

[@edysinsimon8646]

I've always had a great appreciation for the low/high walled rifles of the time. I've been quite fond of them ever since I shot my 1st one. If a shooter/hunter can get enough time on the range you'd be amazed at just how accurate this action is! I'd have no issues taking one out in hunting season! Make mine a 7mm08 caliber or any in the .280/7mm range for that matter.

[@kentuckywindage222]

Sure is a beautiful rifle. I like the 17 Hornet in something less expensive. Ability to reload is a factor for me.

[@grassroot011]

Reminds me of the Ruger Mod # 1. Nice too.

[@balquidder7920]

Excellent review with fluent and informative commentary. I suspect the ammunition change was key here as you indicated. I have just subscribed. Thank you sir!

[@shooter-vx7xy]

I love single shots. I have three Handi Rifles. Taken a lot of deer with them.

[@bubbacole1657]

Wonderful Video on the 1885. I've been slowly collecting Winchester Lever's, I have the 94, the 64, the 71 and looking for more, the 1885 would be a nice add.. Thanks for your videos..

[@jfk19780]

i own one of these in a 4570 and i gotta be honest . i own quite a few very nice firearms and this baby is my go to favorite . everybody thinks 4570 is not a accurate cartridge. i can shoot a group at 100 yards with my 45 that my 223 is hard pressed to beat . the gang at moroku are one hell of a bunch of skilled craftsman . got rid of the iron sights and a gentleman at murphy precision made me a beautiful stainless steel piccitiny rail for a very reasonable price . mounted with a leupold 4x12 vxr . trigger pull is maybe 2lbs . my best advise for anyone interested ...if you can find one dont hesitate !!

[@jasonjackson6055]

A pic rail, heresy I say...

[@eugenejohnson8635]

I seen a 45-70 in one of these rifles awesome rifles

[@sevenin1]

Nice video. I've always liked the falling blocks. The 1886 is technically a repeating falling block. Strong and simple 👍

[@ryanthomas2374]

Love the gun!!! i want one! 270 or 243. maybe also 30-06, and a 308. Got to have them all.

[@fedup3582]

You will have to get the highwall for those calibers. This is the low wall, although they did chamber a few of them in a couple smaller centerfires.

[@imarooster3548]

Great vid....

[@skeggjoldgunnr3167]

I teach people to be a good welder. The first thing I teach them is of most importance is whether or not they are comfortable throughout the weldment practice runs. Completely comfortable. THEN you can do your good work.

[@joshhorn5131]

Awesome review, I just put a down payment on one in .223 Rem can't wait to get it home

[@John-xb2nl]

Pull it back into your shoulder harder. The reason for putting pressure on a Ruger forearm hanger is so the forearm can be free floated, since the screw is designed to pull the forearm into the barrel. I can't get a Ruger to shoot if I don't hold the forearm in my hand. Don't know why that is, but Ruger says they are designed for that.

[@jameslatham2655]

I have always wanted one of these rifles. I've had some time with a few that friends of mine owned and they were fantastic. I've also always wanted one of the Wicliffe 76 rifles as well. If I ever come into the possibility of having to choose between the two I will most likely get the Wicliffe 76. Hopefully I'll never have to choose and can just buy both on the spot.

[@michaelfuller2153]

Love the M1885...crescent buttplates weren't too comfortable to shoot, but in about every other way, a wonderful design. On the originals, the lever locked until the hammer fell...brilliant mechanical design. There used to be some talk about the firing pin held in by a single screw...a worry to the shooter if you blew a primer. Don't know if the new ones are different? Thanks Ron....

[@kadeward4676]

I bought a savage b mag in that caliber it’s awesome

[@John-xb2nl]

The slender forearm is handy under your knee in a saddle scabbard, if you can find a trim and rigid scope.

[@billhatcher2984]

I have done more experaminting with that rifel than any other it's been fun it's got a beautiful stock of claro walnut have been thinking about re barreling but can't make my self because I built it in Smith school I have done eaverything that I can come up with and still love to get it out and it doesn't eat any hay

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

Strangely my M700 chambered in .17 Remington shot about the same as your rimfire. To be fair there were not many bullets available at that time, the Hornady 25 grain hollow point being the most common. I eventually rebarreled the rifle to .204 Ruger. Anyway, it is a nice looking rifle all the same.

[@jmkhenka]

Have a 17hmr. Never bough a cleaning rod, so after 200 rounds or so, a A4 paper on 100 meters was stretching the accuracy. So i bough thorroclean, a rod and other .17 jags etc. and went to business. Next session gave me nice 0.9-1" groups at 100 meters. Now I just need to keep it clean, as the small bore probaby gets dirtied down faster.

[@linescum444]

Rimfire is dirty ?clean your gun and shoot 1 shot and look how dirty barrle is ?do the same with any centerfire and it's pretty clean still?

[@ChattanoogaDave]

My son loves old school guns like this. He begs me for stuff like this!

[@mot0rhe4d40]

That was my first rifle for my 7th birthday in 22lr.

[@MrJtin69]

I have a 50-110 highwall truly a relic i also have a 2020 highwall chambered in 220 swift

[@russellkeeling9712]

I know a lot of people love the .17 but I already have a couple bb guns.

[@charleskerr3779]

It looks to me that your sight plane from the right eye is in the lower part of the scopes front ocular. Center it by moving the scope down with shorter mounts and a cheek piece riser pad on the stock.

[@leskrug9266]

I most bought one of those guns in the late 1980s I believe it was called the high wall in a 3855 caliber wish I would have but at the time they were so expensive and my work just getting out of high school and stuff was not constitute paying that kind of money and I don't remember what they cost but I do love that gun but for now all I have is a Ruger number one thanks and have a great day

[@edwinbryant1065]

Mine is 22-250 but house burnt down and got the stock up a little bit but it made it I love it

[@Max-ye9xg]

If you had a couple guys hiking super far carrying ammo and rifles this would be a real good idea to bring along and share the point being it would be a backup in the same caliber as your main rifle in case something on your main rifle broke especially after humping pounds of gear and ammo do not have to turn back

[@dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073]

i'd really love to see a video about the .30 cal carbine ammo. some of the modern loads are pretty impressive for an old and "under powerd" round.

[@shawntailor5485]

My brother has a 22 bolt action made by john with a simple jb hand stamped upon it . Still accurate as hell .

[@walterwjr947]

Thank you.... 🙏 😔 🙏 For sharing that fearsome rifle,,,, Did you ever check the crown on that and I saw you cleaned the barrel, but did you clean the chamber and the face of the block? That vertical stack was,,,, did you determine if it was stacking up or down? I didn't read all the comments so I am not copying anyone and I know I am a year late.

[@adamlong54]

I'm not a big fan of cleaning barrels I'll oil them up with a patch and make sure it's kept well oiled but I find when you clean a barrel really well the accuracy changes or goes away till you foul it out and then it goes back to tight accurate shots. When it gets overly dirty then clean it and start the process over again.

[@enjoypool4052]

If this was available in 25-06 I would have bought one already.

[@jasonjackson6055]

I agree, the 25-06 chambering was a glaring omission in the otherwise excellent list of chamberings the rifle is available in. It was the first thing that I noticed. It'll be .243 for me.

[@TeensierPython]

I got a 1885 high-wall in 45-90 custom built. So cool, love it. Edit: sure could use a matching gun in a smokeless powder gun I could shoot with less mess.

[@dougmrak784]

or the browning as the bluing was so nice i just sold one in 2506

[@darcywood4637]

Every ruger #1 I have ever owned needed the forend meddled with

[@billparrack8612]

We very ruger that came thru my shop needed work to make it accurate I own one I built for varmints I put a 26in bbl in .220 swift and properly bedded it its a 1/4 group rifle and its had hundreds of rounds thru it most of the crap about .220 swift is just that crap winchester had bad steel when they came out with the. 220 swift that had inclusions in it but I love my .220 I have 2 and it's fun to put 55gr bullets down range at just a few fps short of 4000 fps its faster than the .22-250 by nearly 200 fps

[@hananyahdavis3715]

I like it and the 17 Hornet

[@anthonybanks4633]

Yeah I love my 17wsm

[@TheSfoil]

Talking about the Browining Winchester relationship and you show a picture of him holding a FN A5 shotgun.

[@mikemull1478]

Ha Ron, try a Qtip for a cleaning patch for that 17. Just cut the head off and stick it in your cleaning rod. Works great.

[@toldroyd1]

I like the way the 017 HRM shoots better than the .17 Win Super Mag. Your results looked a lot like what we got with Super Mag, Groups with the .17HRM were about half the size. We wondered if that was the result using the Stud driver cases. We found a lot of variations in fired cases. Far more than we found with the HRM

[@linescum444]

100% agree Marlin 17hmr bull barrle .63 groups 100yards and my buddy's savage 17wsm 2 inch groups we mucked around and mucked around and a little better, 17hmr out of the box shoot awsome all 3 of mine

[@steveshoemaker6347]

Thanks....Tell my more about the...Ear buds if you can....!

[@jeffreygraf3358]

I had troubles with my Ruger M77 after years of accurate shooting. An old timer told me to put a piece of laminated business card between the end of the stock and barrel. That little piece of pressure made all the difference. Back to accurate rifle again.

[@richarderamirez5909]

That second range shooting toward the end of you video. I noticed when you were getting the vertical stringing you were resting close to the front of the forend. Then you slid the rifle forward where it was much closer to the back of the forend. You got a 3/4 group that time. Just a thought.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Good thought, Richard. Positioning fore end for pressure farther back (toward the action) sometimes improves group size, but with floating barrel, it shouldn't matter. I believe my better groups came after I'd shot several and really began concentrating on my technique. Steady as she goes!

[@Max-ye9xg]

We almost said when he got up I'm going to take a quick pee here lol ha ha24:31

[@billhatcher2984]

I built a 280 on a mousr and used a Shaw barrel and it strings straight up as it gets warm it's floated and the action is beaded out to the chamber and floated from there the best it will do with 3 is about an inch and a half eaven pillar bedding didn't change a thing I hunt with it but no long shots

[@billparrack8612]

Personally I love single shots and lever guns and revolvers but so many just want to rip off rounds as fast as they can to hear the bang

[@MrJtin69]

I love single shot with the spitzier bullets in old cartridges