19 Keys Does Not Understand Capitalism!

[@splashwellington29]

That Kwame Ture example is so beautiful and perfect for explaining capitalist exploitation and the LTV to normal people/family members/the masses. Such a banger ❤

[@august_3rd]

More black feel good theology spoken through Prosperity gospel.

[@jeanettesdaughter]

Yeah. Wishful thinking. Avoiding the obvious. Agreeing to exploitation is not progress. Better we all have beans and rice than some have steak and others have nothing. It’s a fact that more can eat on the former than the latter! These prosperity people have a poverty complex. They’re of “the poor shall always be with us mindset.” Might as well make money off them. His ROI explanation is completely unsound and has no bearing on the economic realities of advanced capital. Cowards actually. Simply put, they don’t want to fight for freedom and that takes a will to power consciousness. Landlords who look like me are just as awful as the ones who don’t. I need him to go down, too. What an idiot. Black education is also a weapon of no change. What has happened to Black people in 2024 still needing somebody to tell them “ you are somebody.” Gtfoh. Made me cuss.

[@sunrah4469]

Prosperity ministers will always find a congregation among the desperate ....father divine...reverend ike....creflo dollar...19 keys

[@flashcloud666]

I remember when Jared first posted about this dude 19 keys. I listened to one of his presentations and felt like I was at an Amway meeting.

[@robinsonrochelle7033]

You said Amway!!! 😂😂😂

[@happygucci5094]

This! 😂😩💀

[@mwiluokolo260]

Actually met Kwame Toure, in LA, at ESO WON book store,never met anyone, who was so infectious, there was no doubt in his mind that revolution was inevitable, and “We” would win, his energy is all consuming ❤️🖤💚📚

[@Puukko79]

This is like classic cult speak, neuro linguistics, pyramid schemey. Troubled that I was blind to it until you guys called it out. Decoding the Gurus are good for calling out personality grifters from academic backgrounds and pop culture.

[@jahifaraji]

I like how you worded it...classic cult..😅..

[@judeinthecut]

this was at the UCSB campus and there was a BSU conference (this conference is held annually and different campuses take turns hosting) and all BSUs from the UC and CSU system can attend. the first speaker earlier that day was the best one. his name is yoel and he is a pan africanist and many of the students resonated with him the most. not many college students showed up for 19 keys since he was at the end of the day and people were tired

[@RasheedShabazz]

Yoel is the truth!

[@EJHILL1221]

I remember meeting 19 Keys and I was troubled by him because he often Sites Huey P Newtons Revolutionary Suicide as a source of inspiration, He sites the Panthers also but I asked him As a people a real revolution needs to abandon capitalism.... He replied and said we need Social Capital and that Capitalism can work if we gain social capital and he went on for a minute and I politely excused myself as I could see he was not educated in politics. Which furthermore caused me to question how dangerous a politically dormant "thought leader" can be. It pains me to see people use Martin, Or Malcolm, Or the BPP as a symbol without understanding what they stood for You couldn't even join the BPP without Getting your political knowledge right first and the laziness of these so called Leaders in the black capitalist community to even do the research on our passed leaders only adds to their ignorance and the ignorance of the misguided who follow

[@joeanthony7759]

Agree, wholeheartedly

[@jmarshall3620]

Facts 💯💯💯💯

[@jahifaraji]

It's always a good show of thought-provoking brothers. Who brings out the contradictions of living in a European male hegemonic system that controls the resources and the means of production ..so now we get to focus our debating our consumer LEVERAGING..

[@SmartDave60]

Per the United States Census Bureau the Black poverty rate during the 1950s was 50+%.

[@marcusdunton1692]

Some of my students got caught up in this "black business" will save us all rhetoric, what really seemed to click for them is me explaining to them if you have a room in your parents house, do you really have freedom? Even if you pay them for it, are you still expected to follow their rules? Can you just lock the door and tell no one to come in, can you bring signficant others over? In this example, the equivlent of the Civil Rights movement would be to establish rights, protections, and fairness that is for everyone else who lives in the house and contributes by paying bills etc.

[@danielcoats713]

Now, I could see 19 Keys's perspective around the idea of people needing to love themself in order to actually prosper if he was actually approaching this argument from a dialectic perspective and not saying outrageous things like "racism isn't your problem". You could argue that racism is a side effect of internal conflicts, such as an internal contradiction that can lead to discomfort and eventual hatred of oneself to compensate (I'd go as far as to say alternative arguments to this are either a difference in semantics or just straight up wrong), but not describing the material origin of these conflicts is completely ridiculous (and nefarious in this case). I think this is one of my biggest gripes with these pseudo-spiritual self-help types - they end up playing into the system that creates these internal conflicts because they have no material basis to connect any of the dots. It's this weird good-versus-evil story they tell their viewers, where everything is this endless struggle for "spiritual enlightenment" (live only in the fantasy world you've invented in your head) and loving yourself. However, in the meantime, they ignore all of the material reasoning that directly contributes to one's view of themself. How can someone create this healthy relationship with their own self-image while the reality of poverty, the fruits of their labor being stolen from them and their peers trying to justify their struggles with ideas of their inferiority, stare them in the face with no alternative? What is more is that this whitewashing of spirituality is built on the backs of whitewashed concepts of great man theories. The notion that a Gandhi was perfectly content starving himself for the sake of aggrandizing his spiritual piety, that Martin Luther King marched and gave speeches only so we can vibe with black people, or that Nelson Mandela was simply a nice guy who peacefully negotiated for black south-African freedom - the ideology of these self-help figures is, at the end of the day, complete bullshit. While I have loved ones who consume this content and want me to watch with them, because they want to believe they can self-actualize their way to emancipation, it's always bitter to, first and foremost, disappoint them. I've often clutched my critiques as I attempt to extract any positivity from the experience of watching these dudes gaslight people. 19 Keys's god isn't dead - his god is a lie.

[@UndisputedOrigin]

You broke this down really well. How did you do it? What do you read or do that helps you develop your lens, the way you see the world, like that?

[@danielcoats713]

@@UndisputedOrigin I appreciate the compliment! I'm honestly pretty new and not as well read as others on these topics, but I think I'm not too out of pocket on these subjects. :) I'm catching up on the reading, since most of my perspectives are based on my experience and hearing out alternative frameworks to look at those experiences with. I can point to some good videos that are on KZbin on these subjects for sure if I lack good book sources. Around the topic of this lack of a material basis that these "spiritual" con men have, a good short piece is Yogopnik's video on "Why Leftists Can't Enjoy Anything", which has a portion that talks about the self-help folks. It's pretty meme-y, but the points are well made. Outside of that, there are some general works to look into around material analysis that are the foundation of this point. I haven't read through a full book on this (I'm working on that now), but it hinges on the idea that you can adequately explain why people do the things they do based on the things that are available to them (their material conditions). This is in contrast to the idea that people act based on their ideologies (ideological analysis). When you examine the world in this framework, it brings a much needed perspective that folks here in the US lack, due to years of indoctrination into our hyper-individualist, "pull yourself up by your bootstrap" ideologies (much like what our friend 19 Keys is preaching). I don't have a specific book suggestion for this point, but Marxists have put out a lot of books on this subject. I'd see Hakim's videos on his reading list, because he is more well read than I am. If you want to hear a nice exposition on the whitewashing of historical figures, Second Thought came out with a great introductory video called "Whitewashing 101: How to Rewrite Black History". Black Power Media and FD Signifier make videos that delve into these topics with more depth. If you want a book on why these figures are whitewashed in our educational institutions and our media, I'm currently reading though "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky, which discusses the process of whitewashing history, its figures, and why it's done. I feel a little bad that I don't mention more black authors and contributors to these ideas in the comments of a black media channel - I'm speaking from my own experiences and what I've been exposed to that have influenced me the most as of now. Definitely continue looking at Black Power Media's stuff and the folks they surround themselves with, like FD Signifier (if you haven't already). I hope that helps! EDIT: I said Manufacturing Consent discusses whitewashing history and it's figures. This is half true. It more discusses media bias when they report on world events, which involves specific figures and events, but it's more broad. It introduces theoretical models like "the propaganda model", which is meant to describe the filters the media goes through when formulating a story for an American audience, such as the influence of capitalist interests, advertising agencies, the government, current social trends, etc. These concepts are generally applicable to the broader biases of the American people, as the sources we tend to depend on are subject to these filters. This includes the way we perceive figures like MLK, as the media has to lie by omission to justify MLK being this important figure in American history by skipping past his anti-Capitalism.

[@CVTCH]

The paradox of duality is the thought you will come to reconcile in order to answer your query . Right now your paradigm of thought is on one side and you are choosing to witness the polarity of that thought through your people who prescribe to "hope-ium" as separate from your POV but one can't exist without the other All truths are but half truths Ideology is belief passed through culture despite it being labelled as something else Racism is in fact not YOUR problem but an ideology assigned and enforced upon you via cultural assimilation and annihilation. Despite the mechanisms of its function being very apparent it is still and remains a projection of Caucasian psychosis due to their inferiority complex. You are just the groomed scapegoat who willingly plays your part in internalizing the ideology thinking you have no choice; the same goes for poverty. When you realize that all of these seemingly separate "ideologies" in all facets of human society are manufactured states of polarity playing separate but equal, you will get up from the table because you see all the permutations that occur within this sphere of thought. The same level of thinking that created the problem cannot solve it. Lean to the middle, learn to become neutral and start reading Francis Cress Welsing, Nietzsche, Jung and Krishnamurti. The understanding of Conscious, Subconscious and Unconscious mind supercedes the distortions at play in society at present This is how poverty will become meaningless to you despite its very real seeming physical limitations. America and it's political structure was/is the fantasy of the WASP class that has become an ideology that many subscribe to subconsciously America perfected Hitler's propaganda framework which attacks what exactly...... People's perception and if I control your perception to the world it means I have access to what creates your ideology...... Conscious Subconscious Unconscious mind It always comes back full circle to the beginning THOUGHT

[@williamsshakesaspear4714]

Wow. You should write books. You articulated what I was still processing on a subconscious level that caused me to stop turning into young 19. He's not a con man; he just knows how to market himself and his message effectively to a specific demographic of "spookism/pseudo intellectual" types in the black community to whom his gospel of self empowerment appeals. You got to get in where you fit in, so I will not criticize him. But for those of us who "see clearly", we know that material aggrandizement is not enough to overcome a racist system.

[@Dr.DennisAusarWinkler]

I agree Diallo, Dr. Ball seemed to buy tickets to Geecheeland with that response. We seem to miss how the majority of human beings receive and grapple with information. However, I appreciate him considering the potential flaw.

[@jmarshall3620]

People like 19 keys make it really hard for revolutionary anti capitalist to educate the masses.

[@rbggwapo]

I think people should start to differentiate between economics as a concept and primal institution of humanity, and economics as practiced by various people groups over the course of human history such as with modern socialism and capitalism.

[@MartyMcNasty]

Yall dropped at least 19 keys in this video but the main one is " Read Beloved" 😂

[@saintjasin]

15:24 Damn, just thinking... couple that with Make America Great Again and we have a very strong conservative backwards pull on society.

[@jaribumapinduzi]

Kaka Geechee, great commitment and work staying attuned to electronic pulse of the people and challenging false narratives. Salute to JB and Diallo as well for the conversation

[@Grapejam339]

28:04 Jared needs to say his solution(s) more. Sometimes checking bad ideas is just reiterating your message again, in a diff way, in a diff medium. Over and over. Like, watching 20 min in and you had to listen to them dudes' whack solutions, but you didn't hear Jared's solution(s) once. That's a missed opportunity.

[@TheObsidianLogic]

I agree, instead of articulating his “solutions” on this medium, he redirects by saying read / research his work.

[@davetheman2615]

Sadly they prefer to use the opportunity to debunk, pull apart ( negatively) anything put forward as an idea of advancement, I don't say don't discuss and critique ideas but it can be done without the savagery, otherwise there's no difference with BPM and Fox news

[@Brooklyn_Tzu]

This is savagery? Lol ​@@davetheman2615

[@niknikky]

Dr. JAB has mentioned previously that his solution is building Black political power and wealth distribution. I personally think we need to hear the messages "over and over." The notion that capitalism will save Black people is a dominant belief repeated everywhere. So it's necessary that the counternarrative be pushed as much as possible.

[@Puukko79]

@@davetheman2615 fox doesn't debunk anything

[@Dr.DennisAusarWinkler]

My dear brother Geechee, I’m beginning to think you either intentionally misrepresent arguments or are stuck on points that people have never made for the sake of debate. I appreciate Dr. Ball’s response. 20:00. No one is arguing that businesses don’t have to make a profit, in fact it was acknowledged. But two things can coexist at the same time. You can turn a profit and be of service to your people.

[@Kofic-s8h]

In a market economy, the ONLY way to make a profit is by serving customers.

[@GeecheeYaw]

@Dr. Dennis this is why I want you to come on real time or write what’s being said… because our phone calls won’t be here for people to understand what I or you said.. But what did I say and what do you disagree with.. you aren’t the only person I am referring to when I’m raising points to be disgust … “that people have never made” is wild but I’ll let you go off in the comments.. You are welcomed to come to the show, or our study group to lay out your disagreement or clear up what’s being misrepresented… in a comment section it is nothing much but a echo chamber where people can have thumb wars with or against the personalities they like or dislike…

[@Dr.DennisAusarWinkler]

@@GeecheeYaw Brother you clearly referred back to the conversation we had on the show last week-not over the phone. However, I get it you don’t understand and disagree how the proximity of words paint a context, which you may or may not stating. Again, this is my major point in the first place. I at this point decline coming on because there seems to be a lack of reasoning with progression on your own part. Dr. Ball and Diallo seem to be able to do so. You keep the show lively with your topics I just don’t want to be misused in this way but thanks for the invite but not at this time. Be well good brother.

[@GeecheeYaw]

@Dr. Dennis that’s just Silly.. and expect

[@Dr.DennisAusarWinkler]

@@GeecheeYaw thanks for your reply good brother. Be well.

[@jaymarcase9737]

27:55 not having the answer is not a problem…what’s a problem is critiquing any and every one who has an answer while not presenting any of your own. It allows one to sit back and play intellectually superior by being able to critique everyone else’s work but not putting anything on the table themselves that can be picked apart and judged.

[@santinoreynolds452]

I've watched one of your videos before, respectfully disagreed and left. THIS CONVERSATION has given you one more subscriber. I published a book last year about capitalisms impact.

[@gettingthere007]

Can you guys do content on how to run a small business more ethically/in a socialist framework?

[@kwamezulushabazz]

check out Cooperation Jackson

[@setforce]

Interesting discussion, I agree what there is a lot of myth making, and I find that there is not a clear understanding or critique of capitalism. In fact, I think most people don't understand what capitalism is, what it promised, and where it has failed.

[@d-1beats]

While I don't believe black capitalism is the solution, i definitely disagree with Diallos characterization for those who are advocating for black businesses (capitalist or collective) are trying to re institute Jim Crow or how weirdly trying to put subjugate black women so they dknt have no choice (how did he reach that conclusion?idk) The purpose economics is essential to produce the material needs for a community. Whether that is organized in a capitalist formation or cooperative is subject for debate but the dismissal of nationalists (such as myself) point of WHY we argue for economic development or separate entities (or what Diallo saying 'return to Jim crow) is that by developing our own supply chains and systems will enable us to provide for the material needs of the people

[@tgerard3860]

your comment shows that you don't understand capitalism. there are a number of different economic systems, can you name them? where are the materials coming from? who is producing them? capitalism is a system built on exploitation. as a people it always baffles me that we refuse to just study the basics of economic theory.

[@thedude5723]

He said "black people were THRIVING!" hell na im mad bout that one lmao i thought the first dude hyping 19 keys was annoying

[@TheMostHighPodcast]

I don’t have a social media, but I do have businesses and literature

[@stingyblue8189]

All profit is income. All of the EYL Crew receive an income, but they expect business owners not to. You got expenses but you’re not supposed to make an income? That math ain’t mathing. You all want to make money, but business owners shouldn’t? This channel has to make a profit to sustain itself. That’s why it’s monetized. That’s why you have SuperChats and Patreon and sell merchandise. You don’t see the contradiction in that?

[@ignoremyhandle]

Respectfully, I think you’re missing the point and misunderstanding their argument.

[@stingyblue8189]

No, I get their point. They’re against people getting rich.

[@artpatron719]

This is never addressed.

[@ignoremyhandle]

@@stingyblue8189 no. They’re against the idea that individuals getting rich means collective liberation or wealth for all black people. An idea which 19keys and many others pedal as a grift. They state many times that they have no problem with someone doing what they have to do to survive and/or prosper. They have a problem with the community narrative that surrounds an individual endeavor. You clearly don’t understand. Keep watching though.

[@ayrramadan8819]

"Vague and ill defined" is NOT a solution!😂

[@smithebo]

Where is that video illustration

[@SmartDave60]

uh-ZACK-lee

[@heromjh]

I need a hype man like that guy

[@bluecement]

Kwame Cooking!

[@RasheedShabazz]

Looks like the clip was the Afrikan Black Coalition conference at UC Santa Barbara

[@dirtbikehussle61]

lmao where do these folks come from??

[@qthe6thman]

The FBI

[@Drumz_of_Liberation]

Yeah it's just exhausting at this point.

[@Black_and_Green]

​@@qthe6thmanexactly!

[@fmg8]

FROM GOD HATER

[@TheVuduYuDu]

Wow. This was painful to watch on a number of different levels. What happened to black people actually reading?

[@justicetruth5456]

"...Woman stuck, and dependent on me...". Is Diallo a feminist? Why shouldn't a black woman be dependent on her black husband/man? Who is she going to be dependent on? Her White Boss? You need to think this through, Bruh.

[@Wewillwin778]

She would depend on community. Stop thinking this nuclear family structure is for Black people. It never was or has.

[@stingyblue8189]

He’s an anti-Black Misandrist. He’s a Black man who loathes being a Black Man.

[@stingyblue8189]

@@Wewillwin778How’s that been working for the last 50 years? Does any other group allow “the community” to fend for their women and children while the men are absent and derelict of duty? Your White feminist “friends” have their White husbands. Have you ever wondered why don’t you?

[@justicetruth5456]

@@Wewillwin778 You don't understand Afrikan families apparently. When a woman and man marry, it's to each other not the community. We invented the nuclear family.

[@qthe6thman]

​@justicetruth5456 no we didnt. Nuclear family is European

[@tzelectricaljuices9995]

19 keys is a Fraud and Scammer.

[@bushidozay7527]

If you follow 19keys i feel sorry for you 😂

[@TheMostHighPodcast]

You guys aren’t business men you are KZbin professors I started a business at 22, and put money in my people pockets now I’m taking it upon myself to rebuild the poorest community in Houston, and it’s critical brothers like you that would never offer a helping hand to a man like me. If we were intelligent we would start thinking pre 60s again it’s done a lot for my people that knows me.

[@ChocalateBlackman]

It boils down to policy. Ask yourself who created the policies that created the impoverished communities to begin with. You’re projecting and pointing fingers at the wrong people instead of the usual suspects (Neely Fuller’s term). “If you don’t understand white supremacy what it is and how it works everything you do understand will only confuse you” - Neely Fuller Jr.

[@niknikky]

We need to be thinking like we did pre-1960s? You mean back when 55% of Black people lived below the poverty line?🤦🏾‍♀️

[@imixwhailikejaredball]

Please share the details. Links. What business? What pay and revenue levels?

[@Kofic-s8h]

​@@niknikkyblack poverty was actually falling before the 60s.

[@joeanthony7759]

As far as I know many of these guys are active within, and contribute to the communities they live in and others. And while they are a dime-a-dozen, some of these better shows are important as far as getting more accurate info and honest editorial on what's happening out there out to people who are not getting that from mainstream outlets.

[@davetheman2615]

BPM are taking suggestions too literally, yes billions of black buying power does not equate directly to a money transfer to a location in Africa but in principle just a fraction of that transfer does work, when currency transfers are added into the equation,alongside other elements that can make it work. These guys remind me of a group of old black men sitting on a stoop, watching a black man try a business, and shouting from the stoop, all the things that will go wrong and all the things against. him. A common occurrence in the South

[@ayrramadan8819]

And the North

[@shanejohnson8403]

I don't think that's entirely true. On EYL they've said they don't have an issue with black business, but only when that business is trying to sell capitalism as a way of black freedom. There's a black myths episode when he debates someone and openly says his opinions about black people pooling our resources.

[@ayrramadan8819]

As a solution to Capitalism? No! But being in business for Yourself Certainly gives you more Freedom to make your own decisions, schedules,goals and objectives. As opposed to being at the beck and call of your bosses.

[@davetheman2615]

I appreciate that brother, I can only go off this conversation and others, which reeks of negativity, there is nothing wrong with black people using some elements of capitalism to advance themselves, even if suggestions are wrong, if they are so bright why not offer the correct way, way, these guys are intelligent and should offer more than just lets pool. They seem Hooked on Dragging Black ideas rather than helping. I honestly don't see much difference between them and Fox news at the moment other than skin colour, what's worse is they seem to enjoy it!! We have had 2 organisations that have created powerful organisations fully financed without any white money, so it shows We Can Do It!! These guys talk like we have Nothing and have never had Anything. Young people are constantly on youtube, i pray young bright Black boys don't hear the messages and Tone of these guys, because they will have No Hope at all, Peace tho brother

[@shanejohnson8403]

@ayrramadan8819 then you are arguing something completely different than what his work and what eyl is. A black business can advance some people, but in the broader frame of capitalism it doesn't change anything. Support your community, run a business (if you can). But simply making a business will not advance past the real structural problems that harm us the most. There is a difference between survival vs revolution/actually changing the system.

[@stingyblue8189]

If Morgan’s such a terrible place to work, why don’t Jared leave? Oh, that’s right, he’s got tenure and a tenure that allows him to trash his employer daily. An employer that educates thousands of Black students and employs Black faculty. Imagine that. He was given that job security by a Black institution. But, apparently he takes it for granted. Why don’t he go to his Alma Mater, Frostberg University, and see how he fares at a Predominantly White Institution (PWI?)

[@BlackLiberationMedia]

Ah yes, another anonymous comment made in ignorance. You are being stingy with the facts. 🤣What do you know of any of this? "trash my employer daily?" That is a nonsense description of arguments ive made. What are those arguments btw? You've paid very little attention to have taken the time to spill your confusion all over our comments section. I had already worked at Frostburg and at UMD. I chose Morgan and then earned tenure through years of hard work and dedication to Morgan. I've earned the right to raise the criticism i've raised and more. Every single question or critique you raise has been explained in detail on several occasions. i understand making hostile comments based on no information is routine but does nothing to add any accuracy. And thats what we all want right? Accuracy? Honesty? Standing on name and principle? In the end though you can take your own advice and simply go to another channel, Morgan's perhaps, and watch content more to your liking and see how you fare there.

[@flashcloud666]

People can't critize their employeers now in this society? Looooooooooool I wonder where this will lead. 🤣

[@Drumz_of_Liberation]

People just be mad for no reason.

[@ayrramadan8819]

Your employment at these Capitalist institutions is a natural attempt to survive economically while having your deprecations. I certainly don't imagine that you're distributing it to the "community" as opposed to your family. But you constantly criticise all attempts to establish black owned and operated businesses as not remedying the needs of "the community"!

[@stingyblue8189]

@@flashcloud666You most certainly can criticize your employer, but he made a false equivalency between Morgan State University and non-Black businesses and institutions that exploit Black People.