1920s Salmson GP Special engine - Ivan's Shed

Video for the Salmson fans out there. May not be of interest to others.
Walk-round of a 3 bearing Grand Prix Special engine Ivan Dutton found at his late friend Donald Hill's old collection.

[@liztaylor3825]

“More than 50 years, well I’m 80..” Brilliant!

[@nikolaslarson6891]

An eighty year old meaning he has to drive his Salmson sensibly... I saw the video about the ‘57 Lotus 7 and how he threw it around the bends like a young hooligan. Brilliant!

[@simong1551]

Great to watch; much better than most of the car restoration programmes on tv!

[@andyplage6590]

Better than any TV CAR shows that are 95%bs sadly due to production companies having too much say in content

[@AA-69]

Make that ALL CAR PROGRAMS ! No dramas, No tantrums and No wannabe actors 👍

[@geofo60]

This amazing gentleman’s name has been bugging me since I saw the first video on his channel. So I decided to look him up on Google & yes it’s Mr Ivan Dutton, Production Car Champion, with a history going back to The Chequered Flag Garage. Such a wealth of knowledge. I salute you sir and consider me subscribed to your wonderful channel.

[@nickraschke4737]

Fck me he can still drive. What a hero.

[@rotax636nut5]

@@nickraschke4737 old racers never die, they just gradually fade away..

[@ramseybarber8312]

Geof was that The Chequered Flag Garage that I remember on Chiswick High Rd West London, don't know if it's still there ?

[@matthewbrown2037]

I couldn't believe it when you said you were 80 Ivan! With your energy an obvious passion for what you do, you put many blokes half your age to shame. Me included. You're obviously one of those people who have no intention of doing anything so mundane as retiring and taking things easy in your golden years. Good on you mate, and long may you continue. Love your videos.

[@geoffburrill9850]

Love these old engines, such a simplicity to them.

[@dogphlap6749]

I'd never heard of Salmson. Turns out it is a French company started in 1890 and still going despite a couple a couple of buy outs on the way (they have now reverted back to making water pumps, no more complete aircraft, aircraft engines, complete cars or car engines). Thank you Mr Dutton.

[@ryanroberts1104]

I have no idea what these engines are but I love seeing that much care going into restoring something old and nice. I purchased a collection of antique motors and parts from a guy that worked on them his whole life, and passed away working in his shop at 98. I got tons of really neat old, rare stuff, much of it still new in the package. I saved it all from his daughter who had no idea what it was, and was in the process of scrapping it all!

[@martinda7446]

Well done Ryan. Have you identified any parts yet?

[@ryanroberts1104]

@@martinda7446 Much of it got sold - to proper homes - some of it even ended up in a museum. I've still got quite a lot that nobody really wants to buy but I can't see them be scrapped, so I guess someone else will have to deal with them when I die! Pretty much everything had old part numbers and I spent months researching what a lot of it was. I even had a bunch of antique manuals and dealer stuff that helped with that. It really felt nice knowing many of the parts helped some old machines live again on multiple different continents!

[@martinda7446]

@@ryanroberts1104 Excellent.. Often it's those tiny insignificant bits (or so you thought) that are the rarest most amazing bits..to someone at least. Yes, I agree a good service was done.

[@ryanroberts1104]

@@martinda7446 There are a few pieces I can't identify that drive me crazy. No part numbers, no name, no idea what it's for. But I know an incredible amount of machining went into it and there is probably somebody somewhere that would kill to have it! At least it's better to hoard metal stuff than old newspapers and dead cats. :p

[@martinda7446]

@@ryanroberts1104 🙀😸😸😸😸😾

[@gordyl9247]

I feel like I've just called into Ivans shed and I'm the only person he's talking to, brilliant, loving this. 👍👍

[@stratfan]

I've never been a Salmson person before but I am now! - Could listen to him all day. These videos are brilliant - thank you Ivan!

[@martinda7446]

Never knew much about Salmson..You have converted another. This channel should have a million subscribers or the world is nuts.

[@TheElderlyBiker]

I'm so enjoying all the videos - thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise with us mere mortals!

[@MrMaxeemum]

Love this old school engineering. I want to hear as much as possible from guys like you. There is magic when then the old school and modern engineering come together to preserve past machinery and yes that crank case is beautiful.

[@ronosga4391]

The set of cylinders with the thick flange, you could set it up and mill the extra material off the top of the flange. This way it's light, not been repaired and maintains it's height. Absolutely amazing collection of engines.

[@samrodian919]

@ Ron Osga, I was thinking the exact same thing, and in a different set up you could add the extra water jacket slot that's missing from the face of the block as well. Then it wouldn't offend Ivan so much !

[@TheClassicEngineer]

Absolute KZbin gold on this channel. Serious knowledge and enthusiasm. Makes me very happy! How much I’d like to meet you gents. Kindred spirits.

[@samrodian919]

What a bloody brilliant man! Loved watching this. Eighty years young running around like a spring chicken picking up two crankshafts as if they were two ounces at his age! God I'm 13 years his junior and can't move anywhere near as fast! Also I love that workshop and all the stuff in it. Did anyone notice the three ceramic ducks flying over the doorway into what looked like another workshop? Nice touch! Can't wait for next episode! I got the ducks wrong! The angle was not too easy to see it but they are over a window as I realised when I watched another video.

[@charliefry4054]

Ivan your a real proper bloke yourself, your passion for your work is an example to all !!.

[@vincentbyron7086]

God bless you sir.i would never have given your age as 80 .Sprightly and young at heart Good on you.

[@stephenhenion8304]

Ivan knows this stuff with his eyes Closed! Such a treasure to the world of cars and motoring. Thanks again!!🎩🇬🇧🎩🇬🇧🎩

[@jamesaucutt8284]

I really enjoy watching your videos it’s very interesting to see how you take old cars and all the mechanical parts and put them together and make them work you are an amazing man Ivan

[@neiloconnell2120]

I own two Austins from 1929 - a 12/4 and a 16/6. Both Burnham limousines. The empathy I have with what you are doing is immense. Don't stop will you? :)

[@hammeys1]

Enjoying the videos and love these salmson cars.

[@RichardMichaelOwen]

I never knew how incredible the Salmson engine was. Great video thanks.

[@jobkneppers]

You're the salt of this earth. Thank you Sir!

[@steamwally]

Also working with vintage engines, it's fun to see how someone else goes about it - those skinny conrods are something else! Brilliant videos, an enjoyable evening spent watching through some of them. Thanks for sharing these projects with us. It's good to hear of someone else using laser welding, just had a crankcase with "cast in" white metal mains repaired by that method and the result is stunning, new technology saving the old- what's not to like.

[@glen7301]

Thousand thanks Ivan for superb videos. It has turned my thoughts to Salmson , but I remain with my Amilcar CGSS.

[@SkylarkCamperAdventures]

Brilliant, very interesting, love you are managing to re use a lot of the original parts.

[@A2CVMAN]

Yet again very informative and enjoyable thanks

[@jimmypopp2695]

Does it ave a lid? I thought the same thing. Of course there is a lid somewhere. I love you Mr. Duttan. You a the spitt'n image of my grandfather who did the same thing as you do. Thanks for bringing all this back!!!

[@46danz]

Never heard of salmson,have now though.Brilliant bloke,love the videos from the original petrol head.

[@oldenoughtoknowbetter242]

Brilliant

[@TheJagjr4450]

Those con rods are beautiful pieces H beam rods of that length will result in minimal side loading of the cylinder walls. - I love the aluminum crank case with the bolt on cylinder bank. 1922 Oldsmobile V8 had a aluminum crankcase with bolt on cylinder banks too. This Salmson is a beautiful piece of engineering. My father in law owned a 1911 Pierce Arrow raceabout which ran in the first Indy 500 race- enormous engine.

[@michaelweeks6022]

Hello Ivan, really enjoy watching you in action. I'am from San Francisco California and have worked on a lot of vehicles from all around the world in my younger days and you bring back fine memories.Are you still at it these day's twisting wrenches ? I see there's not been a new vidio for awhile.My names Michael Weeks living in Tennessee! Hope your doing well.

[@colinbagshaw1796]

I hope you are getting the crank de embrittlement after plating as part of his process for you. Like you workshop and it’s great surface plate!

[@grahamharradine9638]

TOP MAN, makes me miss the motor trade.

[@king0cans]

I love this guy! Dead guy tools are cool to me. Every time I use one I think about the guy that owned it and what he built. Anyways,,, you guys do a excellent job. If you come to the states you have a room here!

[@pauloconnor7951]

I hope all viewers noticed the Ducks on the wall !!!. And hit subscribe !!! :)

[@shedbythetracks]

As always, very interesting.

[@johnfoster3886]

Fascinating, thank you.

[@torsacci]

I agree with Colin Bagshaw. Make sure you look into the effects of Hydrogen embrittlement after chromium plating. It can cause component failure from cracking. Love the channel and keep the videos coming!!! cheers.

[@scottcoe2633]

Brilliant, keep filming its fascinating

[@johnbowen2963]

so cool to get ya dads parts back

[@rak7335]

Wspaniała robota .Pozdrawiam miłośnika motoryzacji.

[@machiningbasics1729]

Agreed I have never had problems with my Austin’s with original seats

[@andydelapoer]

I wish I lived next door to Ivan,what a walking talking encyclopedia "Obviously"

[@tomriches9027]

I did ( well opposite in fact ) . What a lovely chap and family , I have so many happy childhood memories of weekends and summer holidays at Ivan’s workshop in Greenford Middx.

[@andydelapoer]

@@tomriches9027 I am green with jealousy.

[@PauloCosta-ji8kt]

Thanks for sharing this video 💪salmson is the same the Napier? Greetings from Portugal

[@jamesaucutt8284]

I’d use the one with the thicker bottom mounting plate because it’s stronger and less likely flex under high pressure

[@texonw]

quality and pride has been lost in so much british industry and engineering with the apprentiships no more and the old skills lost for ever such a shame ,From world leaders to being tret like leppers by europe, I actualy worked on a salmson about 40 yrs ago for a man named Johnny Johnson he was a headmaster from Doncaster did lots of welding on the chassis of his Salmson car it was a 4 seater sports with a straight 6 engine in it what a stunning car it was ,When he left to live in spain he sold the car I would love to know who has it and were it is now ,Sadly Johnny died some years ago and his wife still lives in Spain and we are not in touch although I am still in touch with his son Andrew

[@asciimation]

Excellent, thank you. Makes me feel more confident building my Riley 9 engine. Just having to take what old parts you can find, fix them up and make them work. I also just use the original valve seats but do add Valvemaster to the fuel, I don't know if if does any good but I don't think it does any harm and on a low mileage car the cost is nothing. On Austin 7s we seem to prefer the two bearing cranks to the 3s (which came later). The Riley 9 has two white metal main bearings. And a flipping great rod though the middle of the crankcase to hole the engine in! What procedure do you use to break in an engine like this after rebuilding it?

[@thephilpott2194]

There appears to be a certain amount of nervousness over hardened exh.valve seats in a riley 9 or 6, the castings were not all made at the same facility and there's a fear that inconsistencies in patterns (and 90yrs of corrosion) might lead to a break through into the water gallery.

[@jimc4731]

Ivan, pick up a lapel microphone and improve your channel immensely! I enjoyed it. JIM

[@billspence1799]

Ivan, Have you seen spray welding on Abom79's KZbin channel? It could be another way of rebuilding the crankshaft journals if chrome plating doesn't work out. Stay well and please keep broadcasting.

[@samrodian919]

Yes I agree, spray welding has been a way of reclaiming crankshaft and other shaft bearing journals since the 1940's at least. Abom 79 was the first place I had seen it done and now Steve Summers has a new set of the same manufacture as Abom's

[@graemetoobux8953]

What a great talker for a man that is not running for a political vacancy and a lot more interesting

[@samrodian919]

Oh so, so true!

[@therightreverendrawhide7587]

Is that cylinder block designed for some kinda 'stroker' ...?

[@jaberaljalahmah2061]

Very Very nice video thx 👌👌👌👌👌👌

[@geneard639]

After watching a few of these videos, I have a question. If they can restore a chunk of the head using laser sintering to reconstruct missing material, can they use laser sintering to rebuild the valve seats and guides? Or fix cracks? Just curious.

[@phila3884]

Would love to know your method for getting that aluminum (aluminium) so clean?

[@rogerfrancis65]

Probably vapour blasted i,d imagine.

[@jimc4731]

Measure the overall height of the cylinders, not just the thickness of the base flange. JIM

[@quickturn66]

Is the wrist pin height correct on those pistons?

[@daviddjerassi]

Ivan is this part 4 ?.i have watched parts 1 to 3 and i want to keep in sequence please.

[@ThePit46]

Hi Guys. What is the name laser welding company please ?

[@Dave5843-d9m]

Lead in petrol allows a more advanced spark so exhaust gasses run cooler. That reduces wear on exhaust valves. Today’s 95 RON will degrade the exhaust valves. Today’s posh petrol at 97 RON octane is equivalent to leaded 4 Star. 99 RON is equivalent to leaded 5 Star.

[@shaunchurchill4594]

Transition Fit

[@phillip502]

No doubt about it: you can talk an engine. Talk's cheap.

[@liztaylor3825]

11;00 interference fit

[@samrodian919]

Or bearing fit + 0.00" -0.0005" a tight tolerance

[@Dave5843-d9m]

Why no get some better designed con rods made for the engine? Clearly not original but they’d be far less likely to break and they can’t be seen. Win Win.

[@samrodian919]

@ David Elliott, did you not see the H section rods he showed? Nothing wrong with those by the looks of them

[@jimbos3421]

As a yank who thinks the model T Ford was the greatest vehicle ever made, I find this series excellent! However, I only understand about 1 in 4 words, just like when the Scottish bloke at work wants me to do something for him, he dosn’t ask too much anymore, go figure!

[@callumthomas653]

Tolerance fit

[@fusifusi8711]

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