1961 Seeburg AY100U Jukebox Restoration (Part 78 of 87).

Troubleshooting the trip switch.

[@tectalabyss]

Way to go John ! Very happy for you. All my best to you and yours. Bobby

[@joernone]

Thanks, Bobby. I'm happy this puppy has decided to at last somewhat cooperate. Regards, John

[@old64goat]

Glad the micro switch is good, if you had to replace it I would buy a micro switch somewhere else, $29 is a ripoff, the switch should not cost more than 5 or 6 bucks. YEA John you fixed it!

[@joernone]

Bill, When it comes to prices, old codgers like us are just too much stuck in the past. We still think a McDonald's hamburger should cost 15 cents. LOL Regards, John

[@old64goat]

John...The McDonald's hamburger is only WORTH 15 cents...LOL

[@amberola1b]

It's coming right along. Can't wait to see it back together and playing records in your house.

[@joernone]

I agree, my friend, but that's still a while away. There never seems to be an end to what needs to be done. Regards, John

[@LittleDuckAlex]

Excellent. It’ll be good to move onto that amplifier. I can see it happening soon, you’ve done a great job.

[@joernone]

Let's hope the luck holds, eh? This thing has already proven itself to a bit cranky at times. Regards, John

[@paulyh4531]

Superb I feel the end is in sight now , well done 👍👍

[@joernone]

I agree, Pauly. But one never knows. LOL Regards, John

[@jakedaniel66]

You're really close. That trip switch is a PAIN to get just right but you're on the right track. I've been exactly where you are with yours. Fighting problem after problem but then I finally got it figured out and on the right track. Keep it up and you'll have it together in no time. Then you can start collecting records for it!

[@joernone]

JaKE, I already have the records...donated by our great subscribers. They're sitting in a box waiting for the day. LOL Regards, John

[@jakedaniel66]

joernone Once you get it working you’ll discover you NEVER have enough records. I’ve got 1000 now and I’m still digging through boxes of unsorted 45s at record stores, junk shops, thrift stores, etc., finding more all the time. Just when you think you’ve got enough, you’ll remember a song you like and then you’ll have to find a copy. Just wait, you’ll see!

[@StealthParrot]

Progress, yahoo! Nicely done John.

[@joernone]

Thank you, my friend. Regards, John

[@johnsampson1096]

John, You probably know every adjustment on these mechs by now! Hats off to you for your patience and endurance on this one......

[@joernone]

John, Not all, but more than I knew at the beginning. LOL Regards, John

[@Zone1242]

Ah yes, won't be long now before it's back in the cab in all it's glory. Hopefully those cable looms won't cause any issues as things get moved around. I think it's time to put the champagne in the fridge......... Well done John. Cheers, John

[@joernone]

John, I do plan to strengthen up the cable sheaths. But that job is a bit further down the line. Regards, John

[@HD7100]

You are making excellent progress.

[@joernone]

Thanks, my friend, but for me just getting out of bed each day is progress. LOL Regards, John

[@Lee-NN7X]

Congrats Mr.John....

[@joernone]

Thanks, Lee. Regards, John

[@TheOpenAirGarage]

Outstanding. The small victories are the sweetest. Things are starting to go your way. On to the next task.

[@joernone]

Right you are, my friend. It sure was good to see something go right for a change...more than one time in a row. LOL Regards, John

[@dynamic881964]

Another battle WON !!! Hurrah for our side !!!!! Way to go my friend !!!!! Can't wait for more ....( but will of course ) D in Mich. aka KC8YOX

[@joernone]

But the war goes on, Dave. Much left to do, but we may finally have crested the top. Regards, John

[@mspysu79]

Now that is some awesome progress! Soon you will be rocking the house with that box.

[@joernone]

I hope so, my friend...but if it can go wrong, it will. Regards, John

[@davidfarrell7318]

john I would love to see you continue making videos like this even after the pinball machine they really are very interesting compared to other videos on KZbin yours are so much better

[@joernone]

No sweat, David, I'll still be making vids, just not this type. At least that's the plan. Regards, John

[@td7456]

Congrats John, I'm thinking we're seeing that faint light at the end of the tunnel....LOL!

[@joernone]

Tim, Actually, a fairly bright light right now. Be sure to check out the now uploading vid. Regards, John

[@stphinkle]

The mute switches (one for each audio channel) are the way of the mechanism muting the amplifier when the record is being loaded and during the initial crackle noise phase on when the tone arm first contacts the record as it starts playing. I am not sure if this delay is mechanical or electric but I did read somewhere that the mechanism that controls the mute switch is supposed to enable audio to pass through once the record has been picked up, the tone arm comes down and contacts the record and it gets through the crackle phase. If I were testing the lack of speaker sound, I would do it in this order: * Run an external source through the audio amp that is known good (like an ipod, computer audio, CD Player, etc). Note that on an external source, it is possible that the RIAA Equalization stage in the phono preamp section may change the sound quality a tad (phono is different curve than line level in but for a test, it will work). Make sure both the left and right channels work (you might have to short the mute switch line to get audio, I am not sure) to make it unmuted. If this works, go to the next step below. If not the trouble is in the amplifier circuit. If the amp circuit is an issue, you may have a bad solder joint, a component could be bad, etc. I would check voltages in that circuit and perhaps signal trace it if you have a signal tracer. * Once the left and right channels both play correctly and are outputting audio through the speakers, go then reconnect the amp to the jukebox mechanism and see if you have audio from the record mechanism. * If you still do not have audio from the mechanism, try shorting (or opening) the mute switch for each channel and see if audio comes in on the respective audio channel. If you do get audio, the mute switch might be not adjusted correctly or is not opening or closing when it should. * Another cause of the audio not being picked up could be one or more open wires between the tone arm and amp. Make sure these are connected properly and not loose or missing a connection. * Lastly if there is still no sound, it is possible that the tonearm needle or pickup cartridge is weak or needs replacement. Remember stereo phono cartridges have a set of contacts and wires for each channel.

[@joernone]

Thanks Stephen, but we know how to troubleshoot an amp. Regards, John

[@jp040759]

Looking great. One final test would to be to make sure every selection works in the toroid memory. Big smile on this end for sure. The electronics should be a lot easier to get going.

[@stephenmoore2754]

On the high cost of shipping, here in Canada it is beyond outrageous. I sent a pair of mittens to my daughter by mail, and it cost me 20 bucks. US shipping might be high, but it is a lot better than on this side of the border. Taking our rates into consideration, 9 bucks is a bargain :)

[@joernone]

Stephen, Stop complaining...it's well known that you Canadians are loaded! LOL Regards, John

[@jimkodysz5404]

Great troubleshooting John. If I remember correctly, that spring at the micro switch was messed up at first. Maybe someone had trouble there before. If you should decide to change that switch, I have a small box of them here and I'm sure I could match one up for you.

[@jakedaniel66]

That spring tension is very important. It's supposed to keep just enough tension on it that the switch is ALMOST thrown until the record gets to the end and it trips. If too tight, it'll just reject any record selected. Not tight enough, and the resistance of the trip lever pushing down on the switch button will actually relieve the pressure on the tonearm lifting the needle slightly and the last few seconds of every song will sound like garbage. Get a new spring or just play with the old one hooking it loop after loop until you get it in that sweet spot. You've got to adjust that trip lever window too, both top and bottom. You're on the right track! I went through this very thing with mine.

[@joernone]

All is well, Jake. The trip switch adjustment procedure took care of it. Regards, John

[@joernone]

Jim, Could be, my friend, but all has been fixed. The next vid will start uploading in about 10 minutes. Regards, John

[@1952banjo]

Great Enjoyed watching !

[@joernone]

Thanks, Virginia. BTW...how are you doing, my friend? Has the joint pain subsided any? Regards, John

[@1952banjo]

joernone just comes and goes But been lots better since not picking and grinning so much !! Thank you for asking !

[@rciancia]

Very good... Now we need to program it so when you push H2, it plays PINBALL WIZARD :) Patience is a virtue my friend... you got it...

[@joernone]

Ron, What else do I have to while away my waning years, my friend? When you reach my age you'll instantly acquire all kinds of patience, but not know where it came from. LOL Regards, John

[@Rebel9668]

Should make one of them JUKEBOX HERO by Foreigner as well, lol.

[@skycarl]

Well John, just as I was thinking to myself," wish he would try two in a row:, you tried two in a row,,, very cool. I'm with you on the high shipping and handling fees,,, that's just a scam to make people think they are getting a deal but get taken with the shipping stuff.

[@joernone]

Carl, Stupidly high shipping costs are a scam. I always do my best to avoid those sellers, no matter what they're selling. Regards, John

[@tubical71]

and the best is, if you´re into industrial stuff...this is like lego...and these microswithces are pretty much all the same. you simply buy it wher you want, just tell them you need a standart microswitch. and if this doesn´t fit due to a reason i don´t know, you can still dig inside and rip the things out you need. It´s usual the actor which is custom made.

[@joernone]

So far it's working great. It was just craving a little TLC. LOL Regards, John

[@WaybackTECH]

What is expensive is paying $15 shipping for a small anti-staking weight that cost $10 for a Sansui Turntable which was picked up at a thrift store for $5. It's the simplest things that bring complicated machines to their knees.

[@joernone]

I'm not sure sellers realize how much the're losing each year from their stupidly high shipping costs and/or minimum purchase requirements. It's nuts. Regards, John

[@radiocruz1]

Hooray finally, it was the microswitch and you are right for not paying $9.00 shipping that has also stop me from buying from these places, how about the ones that say $ 25.00 minimum on your order what am I suppose do buy things that I don't need to complete my order. I spend more time searching the internet looking for a decent shipping what a shame. well I am happy for you john we can all sleep well tonight.

[@joernone]

The outlandish minimum order jazz always stops me from buying. It's the principle more than the cost. I think it shows complete disrespect for the customer. Regards, John

[@tommybewick]

Bravo! John the thrifty restorer strikes again !

[@joernone]

You mean the cheap amateur restorer, eh? LOL Regards, John.

[@samiam5557]

A1 Will have to be "Pinball Wizard" by the Who! =D

[@joernone]

Sam, Who? Regards, John

[@GrayRealities]

Success!! when are we going to put it back together in the cabinet can’t wait to see it play ❤️👍🏻👍🏻

[@joernone]

Hopefully by the end of the year. LOL Regards, John

[@stphinkle]

I think the trip switch does more than end the record. I think it also resets that entry in the tormat memory back to "this song is not requested" state until someone requests the song again.

[@joernone]

Stephen, Could be. But all I want is the machine to keep working properly. It's been a long time coming. Regards, John

[@dancutler7418]

That micro switch looks like a common microwave oven switch.

[@spiritwolf522]

John, I`m not sure if the ones I have are the same as that one, but I got a whole box of micro switches I acquired from scrapping old microwave ovens. Theres about 4 in each one. Let me know if you need any.

[@joernone]

Thanks, my friend, but the old switch is working fine. It just needed a little TLC. LOL Regards, John

[@gordoncole6989]

Hi John, Great progress my friend, but D6? What is it about D6 that it doesn’t like? Maybe you got a Cliff Richard record in there huh? Lol! Looking forward to the pinball vids too!

[@joernone]

Gordon, I'm just happy the thing hasn't yet blown up. LOL Regards, John

[@stphinkle]

As for the Amp with the dead channel, it is possible that one of the mute switches could be suspect from what I read.

[@joernone]

Stephen, There's lots of components in that amp. We'll just take it one step at a time. Regards, John

[@colintodd222]

Bye George! I think she has it!

[@stevewithers6766]

you little super star ;-)

[@joernone]

Steve, Thanks, my friend. I need to let wifey read this comment. LOL Regards, John

[@THOMMGB]

John, The only thing that occurs to me is, what if the contact switch is not pressed in enough to work properly? You press it with your finger until it works. But what if the thing that presses the contact switch doesn't press the contact switch "thing" enough to make the switch operate correctly? I'm not sure what you did, but I think it's a player! For real, this time. Outrageous shipping charges that are too high make me not order things as well. Or, look elsewhere. Regards, Tom

[@joernone]

Tom, That's why I have to go back through the trip switch adjustment procedure again...probably at least twice. Once done, all should be well. If not, can I borrow a hammer? Regards, John

[@THOMMGB]

Got no time to send hammers. Too busy watching The Good, the Bad and the Ugly suite by the Danish National Orchestra on You Tube!

[@MartinSBrown-tp9ji]

Your whit plastic adjustment is miss adjusted. The wire from the Accurator should be at the bottom of the hole.

[@sparkey1958]

dont that feel great?...no matter how many jukes i have restored, that 1st trouble free run of the mech, dimms the memory of all the stress it caused to get there!

[@joernone]

Sparky. So far it feels pretty good, but with these jukes it's always don't count your chickens just yet. LOL BTW...there's never any stress. It doesn't exist. Regards, John

[@MsBadders]

I still think its the reject switch shorted out and it's going to reject the record.. I see in the next one lol

[@SuperBuzzbomb]

Why aren't you using the red reject button to reject the records? I would have checked the reject switch once it worked properly after disconnecting it.

[@joernone]

Because I hate red buttons. Been that way since I was a kid. Can't explain it. Regards, John

[@umajunkcollector]

i have a micro switch like that, I'll send it to you.

[@joernone]

Don, I'll take it, my friend. Where on earth did you get it? Regards, John

[@umajunkcollector]

don't remember, it's in my junk box. not sure if it's a perfect match, but it's worth a try.

[@Loganlion42]

you will not get amplified sound without the amplifier plugged in so there is no way you can tell if the wires are messed up until you plug in the wire. The reason why one needle is louder then the other vibration wise might be that the one on the right is more worn out then the one on the left maybe that jukebox had a record where b side was more popular then a side or vice versa back in the day and they never replaced the needle. luckily reproduction and nos are sold at THEVOICEOFMUSIC.com

[@joernone]

Logan, Thanks. You're right on all counts, my friend. Regards, John

[@jakedaniel66]

Tracking force needs to be adjusted on both sides. You can do it by ear but it’s a hassle or get a gram gauge and set it “by the book”. But you’ve got to play with it to get the tracking force even on both sides.

[@stephenmoore2754]

Having never seen the inside of a jukebox, I have a question. When the machine is travelling along the carriage it makes a click-a-da-click-a-da-click (spell that from memory again :) ) sound until it stops. Where does that sound come from?

[@joernone]

Stephen, I'll try to remember to show that in the next vid, but just remember that I have an old mind that might forget. Regards, John

[@BretFrohwein]

More progress! just Don't play B-17

[@JoeJoe59100]

Hi John good video l new you wood do it you are all most there with it. l lift a comment on your list video John can you go go back and look at it thank you for all you do. Paul

[@joernone]

You're very welcome, Paul. I've been so busy of late that I haven't been able to answer all of the comments. It'll probably be that way for the foreseeable future. But I am doing my best. Regards, John