1964 Oldsmobile starfire, the stellar lost and forgotten Oldsmobile

Today On what it’s like, We take a look at one stellar Oldsmobile Background of the StarFire name talk about the different generations GM B body cars. Comparison between 63 Oldsmobile StarFire and 64 Oldsmobile StarFire. Take the tour button switches and knobs. Be sure to stick around for a name that tune at the end as well as would you rather two different scenarios. It’s something completely random.
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[@allenwayne2033]

Double Vision, Foreigner

[@What.its.like.]

Congratulations you got it man, I heard this song this morning and I figured this is the perfect song for this car because jet star and this car would be like seeing double vision Be sure to tune in tomorrow for our discussion episode I think it’s going to be on features old cars had that aren’t in new cars =)

[@agostinodibella9939]

I remember being in a friend’s basement and listening to this song after picking up this album at the mall.

[@billolsen4360]

Gets the best of me!

[@Matt_from_Florida]

Foreigner's best: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnWQhKN-fZykeqM Hot Blooded - Foreigner 1978 kzbin.info/www/bejne/e17ZgXmEns2hfbM Blue Morning, Blue Day - Foreigner 1978

[@billolsen4360]

@@Matt_from_Florida If I was hot blooded AND had double vision, I might call for the EMTs. 😁

[@dougscott8161]

The Oldsmobiles, especially the Starfires have always been the best looking and driving cars I have ever seen.

[@waynefontaine5533]

My Grandfather bought my Dad a 64 Starfire, canary yellow with black leather and fully loaded, right before his Junior year of high school in Aug '65...it was stolen from the school parking lot the last day of school before the Christmas break...CHP found it 3 weeks later off of Highway 101, stripped out and then burnt to a crisp in East Palo Alto, Calif...my Dad passed last Aug, but there's still a color photograph of that car on the fridge in his garage to this day...he loved that car...🤘🏻🇺🇸

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for sharing that story what a great memory even though it’s sort of a bad one I’m sorry the car got stolen. This car in yellow would be very interesting

[@shelbygtsoo]

What a sad story and we had a car stolen and then the thief sold it back to us in mad Beirut but the car was never back and my Mom stopped driving and the 1973 Buick Apollo collected dust till I took my driving license

[@markedwards9153]

I wasn't around in the 1960's, but always hear East Palo Alto being a bad hood. I'm in SF. Sorry to hear about your Dad's car. Can't imagine how he felt when it was found.

[@nickihermosilla]

I personally prefer the looks of the 63 but I might be biased because I have one. I also like the 61 and 62 Starfires. I love the side aluminum panels that they had the first 3 years, I feel like it makes them stand out among other models of the era.

[@johnlavender242]

When I was a used car salesman in 1969, there was a 1964 Olds Starfire on the lot. When a potential customer complained that it was an oil burner, we told them that it was old enough to smoke.

[@What.its.like.]

Great story =) just curious do you remember what that car was listed for in 69 I always wondered if new cars depreciate faster than old cars did or vice versa

[@johnlavender242]

@@What.its.like. I don’t remember what that car went for. But I do remember that in 1970 a 1968 Cadillac Coupe deVille went for $5895. That was a looooong time ago.

[@What.its.like.]

I’ll have to look up and see what the car went for brand new but that’s crazy. It’s amazing anybody buy new cars back then if they depreciated like that I would’ve just waited. I only bought one new car so far I don’t ever plan on buying another new car again it was a 2014 Blosser are spec turbo I love the car but man it was cursed. Three auto accidents one of them was my fault tractor trailer backed into it at a Mazda dealership that one wasn’t my fault the one that was my fault was I hit a deer. I’m going to look for one this year because it’s not really a new car it’s kind of like a used car it’s not really an old car but it would be 10 years old at this point. And that’s crazy saying that out loud. Foster was a car that was everywhere when I bought mine and I don’t hardly ever see them now I still think they look good Real quick story friend of mine bought a Volkswagen GTI the same gear that I bought my lost our spec turbo we actually bottom medium couple weeks apart. Volkswagen GTI was the name and hatchbacks that was the car to have if you wanted to hatchback. That was before the focus RS I would’ve totally bought the RS or the fiesta ST those were sick but that didn’t exist I don’t think when I bought mine. Anyway we raced I blew his doors off. In the velocity was cheaper and he is a far better driver than I am. And the look on his face was just great. Same guy I raised in the van episode when I reach the 2001 Honda Odyssey first of his Jetta wagon he had pretty much the same look on his face when I beat him in a 2001 Honda Odyssey I love the under dogs =)

[@rogersmith7396]

@@What.its.like. New model every year. Planned obsolecence.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

@@What.its.like. - Cars still depreciate fast... a guy bought a $1Million Veyron... traded it in a year later for a Corvette... got $700,000 trade in allowance...

[@billace90]

My father had a 1964 Olds 98 Luxury Sedan in fern green, matching interiors. It was indeed, a sweet ride.

[@OLDS98]

Thank you for another interesting car review. Starfire was a sports luxury coupe back in the day. The Toronado came in 1966 and changed everything and replaced this car. The Starfire had competition inside the brand ( Oldsmobile) and inside GM and outside GM. It was just too much I guess. If that car had lived the equal today if Oldsmobile was still being produced would be an Aurora. They used that brush aluminum theme in the 1980's too in several Oldsmobiles. They paid attention to details back then too, You did a good job going through the details and sharing the car. It is appreciated.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for all the positive vibes it means the world to me. =) One of my favorite cars that Oldsmobile ever made was the 67 Toronado I haven’t been in a 66 yet In my opinion the 67 tornado has the best interior of any Oldsmobile that I’ve ever been in and the instrument binnacle is just simply awesome

[@agostinodibella9939]

Jay, I like how you compare consecutive years of some cars pointing out the changes they went through.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much I’m glad you dig that aspect I show that because if you were looking to buy one of these cars a lot of times people might not know what the predecessor looks like and sometimes the predecessor looks better =)

[@leoneaster]

I just loved 1963 with the brushed aluminum side moldings and the taillights. I love the 1964 interior over the 1963s. Oldsmobiles and Buicks were considered the higher end of the GM hierarchy, if you will, aka bankers' hotrods. Oldsmobiles were no slouches. In 1965 I had a picture (advertisement) of an Oldsmobile Starfire on me wall and a 4-4-Deuce. The 1964 394 Cuber vs. the 371 engine was basically bored and stroked and a tich of horsepower increase. The 394 replaced the 371 in Super 88 and 98 cars for 1959 and 1960 and a detuned version was used in the 88 for 1961 and the Dynamic 88 for 1962-1964.

[@devonvictor3210]

Such a beautiful car these were. I wish we had cars this gorgeous today. Sadly we do not even have Oldsmobile's.

[@What.its.like.]

I know this car was epic and had such a presence

[@montymatilda]

This is a fantastic automobile. I remember driving a few. Great ride and quietness. Never got the chance to own one. 1962 is my 1a favorite with 1964 being my 1b. This is a great example of '64. 1964 was a really good design year for most American auto makers, most just got it right. oh and, 1964 Olds and 1964 Olds to answer the questions.

[@What.its.like.]

Awesome thank you so much for sharing your experience =)

[@NeedtoSpeak]

For me, Oldsmobile hit its style and quality zenith between 1964-1966 with this model, and it’s Ninety-Eight models. Yeah, the Cutlass had its moment in the early 70’s….but not like this. Super front end, nice interiors…..it says the mid sixties. Excellent report, Jay!

[@What.its.like.]

I totally agree =) This car was like wow when I walked up to it and saw the sold sign I was like ah man, couldn’t see anything inside of it because of the tinted windows. Are you open the door and I was like oh hell yeah we’re doing this one. These cars had such class the class would rival Lincoln Continental of the day especially in the interior department. I haven’t been in a Cadillac from this era but I’m sure it would rival that too. They had such class and everything felt quality =)

[@jasoncarpp7742]

I agree. I've never seen a 1964 Oldsmobile, let alone a 64 Starfire. I've seen pics of the car, and I've seen some on KZbin. But to be able to see one in person, OMG! That'd be a treat.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Back then my Dad drove a beige Olds JetStar 88 4 door... but, WOW!, the '64 2 door JetStar 1 !!! A lower priced StarFire... with same hyper V8...

[@youtold7727]

Cutlass owned the 70’s and part of the 80’s it was never a backseat to anything.

[@NeedtoSpeak]

@@youtold7727 I owned a 1972 Cutlass, and there is no question, they were major players.

[@christopherkraft1327]

Hey Jay, this Oldsmobile is stunning, the blue color is gorgeous as is the interior & this car is loaded with options from the power windows & seats to the tilt wheel & am/fm radio!!! Great video!!! 👍👍🙂

[@What.its.like.]

I walked up to the car and I couldn’t see anything in it because of the tinted windows, are you open the door and I was like oh hell yeah we’re doing this car. It was like being in a piece of jewelry. And it’s sports an Oldsmobile badge. Glad you dig this episode

[@toddbonin6926]

Hey Jay! This is definitely one of the best cars you’ve showcased. Absolutely gorgeous. For the questions: ‘65 Starfire (because I think 65 was one of GM’s best years) ‘64 Grand Prix (because Pontiac always)

[@What.its.like.]

This car was absolutely stunning it’s amazing that it sported the Oldsmobile badge glad you dig this episode

[@Matt_from_Florida]

'63 VS '64: making just enough changes to make you feel like you no longer had the latest & greatest! It's hard for us to believe today, but *many people in the 1960's actually bought a brand new car every year or at least every other year.* Normal working people too. In the early '60s most wives still didn't work and so many families just had one car with the wife driving the husband to work and picking him up with alcoholic beverage at the ready.

[@rogersmith7396]

And they were union made. Car companies actually cared if people could afford their cars.

[@redline1916]

@@rogersmith7396 Nowadays it seems not even unions can save us. The unions are just the same thing with a different name these days.

[@leddygee1896]

I had a 64 F - 85 Cutlass 4 - Door with the V - 6 and a 3 - Speed Automatic in High School In the late 70s... I loved that car, and wish I would have kept it!

[@MrAndrew1991]

I just love your videos! Keep up the great work and shoutout from Ukraine❤

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much it means the world to me this is all I ever wanted to do the fact that I get to do it it’s just awesome, and that people all around the world dig this channel is even more incredible thank you so much =)

[@blasemessina3711]

I have NOT forgotten the Cool Oldsmobiles, that model really ran Great TOO!!!!!

[@What.its.like.]

=) I love the cars that are off the beaten path

[@jeffcline7689]

A lot of people do not know Oldsmobile was the first American car. Like David Buick, Ransom Eli Olds was a Scottish. When Olds sold Oldsmobile to GM he started REO. Like REO Speed Wagon and invented the first gasoline lawn mower. Oldsmobile dyed a terrible death when they decided around 2000 to compete with European luxury cars running off what was left of their aging loyal customers.

[@don9598]

1962 Grand Prix had the same type mirror control on the inside. Olds and Buick were nice cars but the 64 Grand Prix was a real piece of art

[@What.its.like.]

Sweet I will have to find a 62 Grand Prix and totally agree these cars are absolute works of art and it sucks that they just don’t get the appreciation that they deserve =)

[@markedwards9153]

I like the 1963 Grand Prix styling a little more.

[@gene978]

One of my Favorite Oldsmobiles Jay!

[@What.its.like.]

This car was absolutely amazing it’s one of my favorites videos that I’ve done all year =) this car was sold I usually don’t do sold cars at dealerships but it was highly requested last year and I haven’t seen one. It’s hard to believe that this is an Oldsmobile on the inside because if you got somebody that didn’t know cars they would’ve swore that they were in a Buick or even a Cadillac.

[@jon-p]

Loved taking a gander at this 🚗!

[@What.its.like.]

=)

[@terrymathews8483]

64 hands down and Foreigner hot blooded, I have a 64 Starfire mine has cornering lights upfront and molded in black and chrome floor mats it also has a light switch behind drivers door for the passenger to see when they get in 9.3 rearend positive traction, lights in trunk and hood

[@carlmontney7916]

This is a really beautiful car and I love that color that's on it . Also, the convertible model of this car is just absolutely a knockout too When I was a teenager in high school these were the kind of cars we used to see and drool over. Hoping someday we would own one. Well I never got to own this one but I did have a really nice 62 Buick Invicta convertible. It was an awesome car and it looked really nice too. Every car you mentioned when you were asking which one we would prefer is too hard for me to answer. So, my answer is any of them. They are all great cars.

[@What.its.like.]

Your 62 Buick Invicta did it have a V-6 in it there is a Buick Invicta coming next week that had the fireball V6 it was an extremely weird quirky car that I totally dig. It didn’t have carpet it had like this rubber mat but it wasn’t exactly a rubber mat either I don’t know how to really describe it it was slick like the 55 Cornet

[@carlmontney7916]

@@What.its.like. Jay my 62 had the 401 nailhead V8 coupled to a Dynaflow tranny

[@NickTwisp80]

The transmission in this car is the Roto Hydra-Matic used in Oldsmobile full sized models (with the 394 engine) from MY 1961 through 1964. It was also used in Pontiac Catalinas & Pontiac Grand Prix models in those years. Pontiac Bonnevilles ('61-'64) had the 4-speed Jetaway (Controlled Coupling) Hydra-Matic. The Roto Hydra-Matic had 3 speed ranges plus a small rotor which took the place of the tall first gear that was in the Jetaway (Controlled Coupling) Hydra-Matic. The Roto Hydra-Matic was a troublesome unit prone to various problems. We had to have this transmission rebuilt after only 51,000 miles on our 1963 Oldsmobile Super 88. Oldsmobile & Pontiac got the Turbo Hydra-Matic for MY 1965. Cadillac & Buick got the Turbo Hydra-Matic for MY 1964.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you for that correction I saw it in the advertisement that it says super range so I just wanted to set the record straight I saw conflicting information I think they put the turbo HydraMatic in a different car one with a column mounted shifter. But I finally found a piece of advertisement that said it so that’s why I wanted to see it right there because it’s really hard to find advertisement pieces that spell it out I only found two. And I wasn’t going to miss my opportunity to do so. =)

[@craigjorgensen4637]

True, the Roto Hydramatic transmissions also known as Slim Jim’s were a piece of garbage. The Jetaways were nearly as bad. GM made some crappy automatics in those days including the Turboglides and Dual Paths used in Buick Specials!

[@raymondkunkel9615]

Yes them trannys were garbage I had 2 64 gp one 421 and lost power after it hit second and a 64 Olds 88 I aways thought the felt like they were slipping

[@rogersmith7396]

The 66 Tornado had a one year Turbo 425 with some sort of variable speed torque converter. My understanding they were excellent but GM ditched it due to cost.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

The smaller version of Roto Hydra-Matic used in '61-63 Olds F85/Cutlass/Jetfire was also lucky to make 50K miles...

[@edzeppelin]

Love your channel. The Starfire is an EXC and rare car. I love the GM interiors of that era- they're very inviting and stylish.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much =) glad you dig this channel I need to find a Cadillac from this era

[@retrobilly1719]

The 64 is Gorgeous!

[@Matt_from_Florida]

Your very last frame is a 1936 Packard Super Eight Coupe I believe. Packard had the very last American *straight 8* in 1954. Hagerty had a great article about all the things Packard did (even in 1954!) to keep that engine current & competitive with its competition's brand new V8 engine designs.

[@What.its.like.]

It was a 1937 packard 115-C the packard for the common man has a flathead 6 super interesting car kzbin.info/www/bejne/enW7o5SfqMuJfKM

[@denislandry7577]

What aa beautiful car inside and out , had a 1965 merc montcalm 390 4bb , white leather interior , buckets , consul , chrome and lights every where on inside . Love the cars of 60’s i worked on a 64 394 long time ago , just carb , tune up oil change , brake job and lubes , the test drive i will never forget on of a kind !

[@What.its.like.]

I never saw a 1965 Mercury Montclair I’m going to have a look for one because I was like man that car looks good

[@johnbryan5608]

Good looking car! Safe travels!

[@garybernstein6647]

I have had mine for 35 years. Right hand mirror was an option cuz mine does not have one. Missing the “piece sign bezels” over the headlight. Second clock was added. Chrome seatbelt release is aftermarket. Original were black plastic. Mine is a convertible. Only 2410 made in 64.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for sharing all that information and insight greatly appreciate it =)

[@robertsweet4112]

I love the beautiful, graceful body lines and the sleek bumbers that mold into the fenders

[@What.its.like.]

This car is dropdead gorgeous and just doesn’t get the credit it deserves or the love for that matter mostly forgotten Classic Car this is.

[@MyYingYangification]

In 1976 I purchased my first car... 1963 Olds Dynamic 88 convertible. It was a wonderful car! lol

[@What.its.like.]

Awesome thank you so much for sharing your car with us what engine did it have do you have any crazy stories associated with that car?

[@zchris87v80]

Props for not laying a finger on it during the demo. Honestly I do the "hover hand" on my '64 merc, for fear of fingerprints.

[@What.its.like.]

I very rarely do I ever touch the cars aside from the doorhandles and putting the hood up and maybe the trunk and of course getting inside but outside more or less my hand is hovering a good inch or two from the car

[@dr.plutonus1496]

Gorgeous car - a little surprised it cost even more than a Thunderbird 😲

[@What.its.like.]

I was surprised by that as well =)

[@danielulz1640]

It cost slightly more than an Oldsmobile 98 two door hardtop!

[@danielulz1640]

@@What.its.like. so many unique trim and even body parts. Those taillights are big Starfire emblems and are unique to the Starfire hardtop and convertible. The roof panel and backlight are shared with Gran Prix, but the quarter panels are Starfire only as are the front fenders and grille assembly. Even the sheet metal taillight panel is Starfire only.

[@jasoncarpp7742]

Beautiful looking car. My favourite years for Olds are 1962 and 1964. I love the front end of the 1962 and 1964 Starfire, but I love the tail end of the 63 Starfire.

[@richgaspariz9050]

We had a 64 - the only problem we had with it the automatic shifter linkage broke and stranded my mom unable to shift it. That ended the car for her - and my dad sold it a year later. Ours was white with blue ice interior. Loved that car.

[@What.its.like.]

Great story until it broke. What did you end up getting after that car

[@richgaspariz9050]

@@What.its.like. Buick Electra

[@What.its.like.]

Nice =)

[@billhyde2303]

I would like to see you do 55 DeSoto fireflite with the Coronado package good luck, they are not common, but amazing!

[@danielulz1640]

MY DREAM CAR!

[@What.its.like.]

55 De Soto is my favorite DeSoto of the 50s I’ve been looking for one I have a friend who has a 56 which we featured last year. I go to a local car show on Monday nights and a guy drives a 55 De Soto wagon it is absolutely gorgeous until you look at the interior he changed out all the gauges and put custom seats in it and it’s steering wheel and I’ve been on the fence whether or not to ask him about featuring his car because changing the interior is very cringe to me especially on that car. But it’s a 55 De Soto wagon it was stocked from the outside aside from being lowered a little bit 55 Desoto wagon is like the cats meow. The only thing I don’t like about the 55 De Soto is that stupid gear shift lever I love the push buttons of the 56 that’s the only thing I would change about that car

[@ROXSTARCorvette4371]

Cool video of a cool car. My vote is for the '64 Olds. Personally, I think it seems a bit more refined on the outside without the exterior bright work of the previous year. The interior seems a bit more sophisticated in the '64 as well.

[@What.its.like.]

Totally agree =)

[@oscarblom4885]

A friend of mine had one of them. Star Fire was beautiful. Loved the interior. Handled like jello but fast.

[@What.its.like.]

I drove the 65 over the summer and said horsepower doesn’t always equal speed. But yeah it was so quiet 375 hp but didn’t feel like it I’ve driven cars with half as much power that felt faster not everything is about speed, it was different

[@craigjorgensen4637]

It’s a nice car with some rare options such as reverb but no air conditioning which a car of this caliber really should have!

[@What.its.like.]

Agree 100%

[@rogersmith7396]

AC was for panseys.

[@jonathanmorrisey5771]

In the first scenario, '64 Starfire. In the second scenario, '64 GP hands-down. That was my dream car in high school. On this Starfire , '64 is the last year for this engine/trans. The 394 was replaced in '65 with the 425, an enlarged version on the 330 in the Cutlass. The Roto-Hydramatic was used only in Olds 1961-64 and Pontiac Catalina and GP the same years. It was replaced in '65 with the TurboHydramatic. The Belvedere in the upcoming video is actually a 1952, not a '53.

[@What.its.like.]

Great information

[@davidkirkham6497]

John, I I concur! My Brother had a 1963 Olds Starfire convertible! What a great, powerful automobile it was! It was light blue, with a black convertible top & black interior! What colour was yours?

[@user-xo3om9dx6w]

Starfire and GP were both beautiful cars

[@What.its.like.]

Both are very underrated as well never see them at car shows which is a total shame the interior of both of those cars is where it’s at =)

[@allenwayne2033]

That's an after-market clock of course. Going slightly outside the options in the "would you rather": I would chose a 61 or 62 Starfire over the later models. Grand Prix for the 2nd scenario. I'm not sure I am right about this, but I think front lap belts were required by law in 64, and the rear seat belts were optional. Again, not completely sure about this.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much The 65 that I reviewed had a Clock very similar to that and I just always thought that was a weird clock placement and it’s just it’s not that big it’s about the size of a half dollar. I’ll look for 61 62 StarFire to do as well as a Grand Prix =)

[@rodirby5952]

A friend of mine had a 64 StarFire in high school it had a fast top end

[@richardwagner4668]

Actually I thought the 1962 Starfire was the best looking. I may be a bit biased since as a teenager my buddy next door had access to his dad's 1962 Starfire. We did have fun riding around in it.

[@What.its.like.]

Great story I’ve never saw a 62 Starfire I didn’t even know that Starfire was even a thing until the 65 showed up at the Classic Car dealership over the summer time and I was really blown away by the interior of that car. They are drastically underrated

[@thomasthurston6656]

That maybe a Deluxe belt option a lot of GM cars had plastic seat belt covers. The Deluxe cover were metal and had the carriage button. I am sure the clock was added.

[@tmh8888]

Hi Jay, Great catch on the Lincoln logos in the taillights. Spot on I never would have noticed it. You rock my friend.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you glad you dig did you notice the bullet bird (1961-63 tbird) bumpers in the front

[@DSP1968]

This was a great review of a car we don't see often at all -- thank you for covering it, Jay. And I'd take the '64 -- somehow, it just looks cleaner overall.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for the positive vibes this episode is my favorite one to date so far just with all of the information all of the comparisons I’m gonna keep doing the comparisons going forward because it adds to it because if you’re looking for a car to buy it’s good to see what your options are =)

[@aaronwilliams6989]

I like both of them.

[@What.its.like.]

👍👍

[@mr.lincoln5154]

I like the 63, but that's because I once owned a 63 dynamic 88 holiday 4 dr sedan.

[@richardwarren7492]

Seat belts - it depends, September 25, 1961. Wisconsin became the first state to require seat belts be installed in the front seats of all new cars. In California, vehicles were required to have seat belts for all seating positions as early as January 1, 1964. By 1965 all states had laws requiring seat belts be installed.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for sharing that information I always wondered the seat belt regulations

[@rogersmith7396]

Maybe due to Federal regulation. The backwards state I live in would'nt have them today if they did'nt get all their cash from the Feds.

[@markchandler1130]

Round clock is aftermarket. As I recall all GM cars of the period had the Fisher Body emblem on seatbelts.

[@What.its.like.]

Awesome thank you 😊

[@hanschenk2708]

GREAT VIDEO AND A BEAUTIFUL CAR

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you glad you dig =)

[@576062]

Towards the end of the video on the pics on which one looks great I'd say in my opinion. They all have nice lines in their own way all of them. If only I had a garage to house all my favorite cars LOL

[@What.its.like.]

It would’ve been a really hard choice in 1964 all of the car companies brought their A game, and then you had Ford with the Mustang what I would give to have been able to go to the worlds fair and see that car for the first time. I might do a 64 1/2 mustang this year I was waiting for the base to get a little bit bigger because popular cars don’t do well on this channel. I know a guy who has a really cool mustang T5 fastback that went to Germany and has a stellar story. But once again I didn’t do it because those cars don’t do well on this channel and I wanted to try to get my base a little bit bigger so I can try to expand my horizons a little bit like I know where there’s some really cool muscle cars 71 Cuda 69 Daytona that I have access to but it’s weird like I don’t wanna pour my heart and soul into something that nobody will watch each episode I put eight hours of time into I would rather put eight hours of time into something people would watch. =) Plus this is the go to Classic Car channel for all the cars that got ignored. But Truthfully if it has an engine and wheels I’m into it I just hate traction control I think it’s the stupidest thing ever conjured up

[@michaelroberts-no2zi]

'64 Olds Starfire question 2, '64 Wildcat!!! And I truly like both but I've had a crush on Buick Wildcats.

[@What.its.like.]

I will find a 64 Buick wildcat and review it because a lot of people have requested that and said that that is the one of their favorite cars in the mid 60s they are drastically underrated as well =)

[@stephenholland5930]

That is a beautiful '64 Olds, Jay. The mirror on the sun visor is known as a vanity mirror.

[@TheNumber146]

My wife calls it BitchTV 😂

[@rogersmith7396]

Those cable drive mirrors were very common on Cadillacs. My guess would be they had them in the 50s.

[@What.its.like.]

I haven’t been in a 59 Cadillac yet but all of the Cadillacs that I’ve been in the mirrors are controllable not from like a joystick cable style it’s controllable from like a almost similar to like what a spotlight is controlled from it’s just like a handle that’s connected to the mirror itself

[@davidgaine4697]

Great car but I still prefer the Pontiac Grand Prix. It was featured in Fast and Furious as Vin Diesel’s personal hotrod. 365 bhp, few! That’s some number even now, no wonder it’s a classic. If I had the money I would buy it too.

[@danielimpastato3466]

First premiere I've caught👏 Great job. We had a 1963 Olds Super 88 growing up so I am way familiar. 1964 not that much different. Buckling those seatbelts could give you 2nd degree burns in the mid summer NY sun. Toggle mirrors an option and am/fm rare option for 1964. Seatbelts were not required until 1965 so those could be aftermarket or an option. I'd go for the Wildcat - better styling. This 1964 has dodgy taillights. Nice job, Jay.

[@What.its.like.]

I know all about the seatbelts I had those in my 67 mustang you had to put them under the seat so they didn’t do that. All of those cars had heated seats in the summertime especially if they were black seats =) I need to find a wildcat to review they’re really cool underrated cars just like this one this is a super underrated car that I can’t believe isn’t worth as much as I think they should be worth because of how nice they are.

[@chuckpeterson3262]

Was that passenger side remote control mirror available from the factory?

[@rickstenquist8831]

Seat belts were required in 1965 for just about any car you owned, at least in Illinois. We had a 1961 Olds on which we had to add seat belts in 1965.

[@danielimpastato3466]

@@chuckpeterson3262 from the design I would say absolutely yes. It does not appear possible to be after market or custom but tbh idk and if Jay does not know, no one does.😊

[@danielimpastato3466]

@@rickstenquist8831 in NY seatbelts did not have to be added but 1965 passenger automobiles fresh from the factory were required to have them in the front seat. idk if rear seat were optional or required. Back up lights also became a requirement for all models even the baseline, which up until then had been options; standard equipment on manyy models though but not federally required until 1965.

[@larryfeeks6620]

Sweet StarFire!

[@johnl1574]

Maybe it is because I had a 63 starfire convertible but I think the 63 is cleaner and better looking . It is rare in my opinion that minor redesign changes for the sake of change improve on the original design - look how ugly the Tornado became after the original 66-67 design got major front end change. After dropping the original body it finally got better looking.

[@What.its.like.]

I got to review a 67 Toronado last year and honestly I didn’t really care much for that car before reviewing it after reviewing it I really want one, most everybody in the comments sections to the 66 was better I haven’t been in a 66 yet I just can’t believe how beautiful those cars are on the inside and the seats are made out of a weird material it felt like nylon they were really cool the interior was epic. And in my opinion the best Oldsmobile interior ever especially the dash and instrument binnacle. I really want to drive one I want to know what 375 hp front wheel drive mid 60s Oldsmobile feels like. I had the opportunity to drive a 75 tornado granted it did not have 375 hp but I had a 455 v8 zero torque steer

[@richardvoss482]

My dad had a 63 convertible too. Had all the options Loved that car. I’d wash it every week for him.

[@michaelcoffey7362]

Very nice🥰

[@automatedelectronics6062]

You've got the transmission wrong. First, the Turbo Hydramatic never had the "R" at the bottom of the shift quadrant, always the next position below park. Second, what was called the Turbo Hydramatic from 1965-on, in 1964 was the Super Turbine 400 automatic, exclusive to Buick and Cadillac, which didn't have a middle gear position, nothing between "D" and "L". The "S" or "L2" position was added in 1965 and called the TH400 in all of the GM car brands. If this was a 3-speed automatic, then it would have been the Roto-Hydramatic. But that one ended with the 1963 model year. As with the senior Pontiacs, in 1964, being part of the Olds "98" series, this car would have had the 4-speed Jetaway HydraMatic, which was the last GM automatic to have the "R" at the bottom. In 1964, the only other automatic available in the Olds brand was the 2-speed ST300, which came in the Olds "88" series and the smaller midi-size cars like the F85, Cutlass and 442, if an automatic was ordered. The only reason that Cadillac used the ST400 is because they always had to be at the top of technology and the ST400 was the smoothest-shifting GM automatic yet. Cadillac buyers wouldn't have accepted anything less.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for all of the added information insight and corrections =) Always appreciate it because GM like to make so many different modifications and versions of this transmission

[@automatedelectronics6062]

@@What.its.like. Yep, they had more different transmissions than any other carmaker used, probably to the current date. GM was extremely competitive internally among it's brands and sought to differentiate them as much as they could. With an eye on costs. Sure, the different brands may have shared chassis parts, but practically nothing else. In comparison, Ford shared it's transmissions with practically all it's different brands. Chrysler shared all it's transmissions with all it's other brands. Although everyone has shrunk it's offerings down today, you might find a running production change within a single model year. Most new car manufacturers are basically car assemblers and all the internal parts are outsourced, especially electronics.

[@rogersmith7396]

My understanding is Rolls Royce used the THD 400 at some point.

[@keithstudly6071]

GM had the habit of producing cars with standard or custom interiors. The Starfire likely was standard with the better interior because it was the top of the line modal. We had a 1965 Wildcat with the standard interior. I have seen other 65 Wildcats with the custom interior and they looked much like this Starfire. One of the features that came on the Custom and not on the standard was the interior door handles which were the same as on this Starfire. The custom interiors also got fancier seat belt buckles. Later we had a 1967 LeSabre with the Custom interior. It also had the interior door handles like this Olds and was an over all much nicer interior than the standard 65 Wildcat. Interesting to see how GM shared these interior trim hardware pieces across the different lines. I've seen those same 'custom' door handles show up on fancy Pontiac's as well.

[@joeseeking3572]

At some point concave, convex, chamfer, bevel, windsplit, greenhouse, d-line, light value, sculpting vs. ornamentation, applique, etc., should enter the styling descriptive vocabulary. I mean it's been a minute now. Choices: 1 - 65 Starfire (much better and more influential if less differentiated styling) / 2 - 64 Starfire, much higher trim content than the other two.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you for all of those vocabulary terms but I like the way that I describe things because it’s different maybe one day I will add that Termanology, And honestly it’s ok to describe things different, this channel doesn’t fit to any particular mold and I don’t ever see or intended to fit a particular mold. I could have said nothing at all but figured I’d let you know. Ps I hate the word back light going to find another name for that because I think it is a stupid word for the rear window. When doing the Saab review The source even called it rear window and I ah ah.. I wonder if this is why Derek from Vic grip garage came up with his own Termanology, I love some of the words he uses. I could never get away with that though =)

[@69marinus69]

Great video Jay. I have two '64 Starfires. A convertible and a hardtop. I also have four parts csrs. 😂 They are great cars.

[@What.its.like.]

Glad you dig this video what did you like the most about yours =)

[@69marinus69]

@@What.its.like. I like the comfort and styling of the car. They both drive like a new car but have a nice classic look to them. Very peppy and lots of power when you need it. The convertible is nice for cool summer evenings or driving in the fall. I find it is too hot with the top down in the summer.

[@59cadcoupe]

Hi, I have a set of taillights, complete assembly's, very nice if your interested, Tom.

[@automatedelectronics6062]

The Olds car I would think that people would be request the most is the Olds Jetfire, which had a turbocharged 215 aluminum V8, is quite rare and used the 3-speed Roto Hydramatic. Here's a suggestion. get one of those mirrors on wheels, like the police use to inspect under cars, and put a remote camera or smart phone on it. With that, you can show the underside of the cars. Using one of those, you could use it to identify the transmissions(and show if the undersides were given as much care as the outsides of a car.

[@What.its.like.]

Awesome information and tip I will look into getting a mirror and seeing if about looking underneath the cars I’ve been looking for a jet fire the turbo charged Oldsmobile those are really hard to find I did a 62 Buick Invicta while I classic auto Mall this past time that has the V-6 in it that will be coming up next week sometime that was a super quirky car very interesting I love the body design of it steering wheel was odd.

[@danielulz1640]

@@What.its.like. an Invicta with a factory installed V6?! This I want to see.

[@What.its.like.]

Fireball it’s a weird concept that didn’t catch on

[@automatedelectronics6062]

@@What.its.like. What's a Fireball?

[@What.its.like.]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine

[@josephpiskac2781]

My father had one of these though a lower level of trim. Really felt the large areas of flat sheet metal gave the car a cheap feel that also seemed junky. We previously owned the 1961 Oldsmobile that felt vastly better built and much more solid.

[@tombrown1898]

I learned to drive on our 1963 Super 88. Fast by the standards of the day, but the awful Roto-Hydromatic really hampered the performance, and the gas mileage was bad, even for the era. But it was beautiful!

[@What.its.like.]

I’ve heard the Roto Hydro Matic was a terrible transmission Thank you for sharing that awesome memory =)

[@tombrown1898]

@@What.its.like. If you want a good brief description of the Roto-Hydramatic, check out "Rare Classic Cars and Automotive History" Worst Automatic Transmissions of All-time. Adam Wadecki sums it up nicely.

[@What.its.like.]

=) sweet

[@THROTTLEPOWER]

Great vid!!!!

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you glad you dig =)

[@flashesofblack4128]

I think my money overall goes for the '64 offering. I really liked the rear end styling as it is less busy than the 63. Its just a drop dead gorgeous car, but of course my usual complaint. The manufacturer had a tachometer, but all other instruments are those stupid idiot lights. I guess its patently obvious that I hate the absence of full instrumentation for such a high end car. I did see some after market instrumentation which was a nice addition., All in all, a very nice thoughtfully styled car.

[@What.its.like.]

I 100% agree with you why this car didn’t have analog gauges is beyond me that would’ve taken into the whole next level it would’ve been perfect.

[@flashesofblack4128]

@@What.its.like. I remember seeing a lot of these cars on the road when I was very young. I always thought that particular model was the summit of luxury. I would have to assume the car was body on frame. I am not too keen on unibody construction. Your videos keep getting better and better!

[@jakespeed63]

Saw this car for sale, but this is a better in detail description. Having owned 4 of these, one being a convertible, and 6 1964 Oldsmobiles total, I feel I’m somewhat of an expert. Never seen the dual mirror option. Reverb option, with AM/FM, also very rare. No air conditioning saved this original buyer almost $500, in 1964. Think about that. It was 10% of the purchase price. From a style perspective, all 3 years listed, have their own highlights. The’63 has a less is more early 60’s Kustoms theme. The ‘65 kind of the same. (Identical bucket seats btw) Whereas the ‘64, was somewhat over the top. And the cheaper model is the Jetstar not Jetfire. Jetfire was the turbo model. Truly miss mine and may need to get another one. Still cheaper than a ‘64 Chevrolet, which is nowhere near as nice 😊

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for sharing your insight as well as those corrections =) Air conditioning was expensive Back then $500 was $4,825.32

[@rogersmith7396]

All you could get on FM was low power classical stations. Maybe the occasional bible thumper in his basement.

[@dennismiezejeski4563]

You are missing a feature on the tilt steering wheel they also telescope, I think all the senior car would have them. The aftermarket doesn't even offer telescope

[@thomasbradley512]

The automatic transmission that was used in the 1964 Starfire and all other Oldsmobiles was actually a four-speed hydromatic not a 3-speed turbo hydromatic. The way in which you can tell is where the reverse is. If the reverse is between Park and neutral that is a turbo hydramatic 400 3-speed automatic if the reverse is next to low gear then it is a hydromatic dating back to 1939. Hydromatic do not have a torque converter they have a fluid coupling which is like a torque converter but without a stator to multiply torque. The fluid coupling does not.multiply torque. There are four forwards speeds in a hydromatic. There are two planetary gear sets back-to-back. When both are in low that is first gear, 3.6 to 3.9:1 2nd gear and third gear one planet is enloe the other is in high and it's reversed for the next gear. Fourth gear is 1:1 there is no overdrive. Now what exactly is the purpose of the letter S? When the transmission first came out in 1939 the range selector read the following NDLR, there was no parking gear in the early transmission. That came in the early 50's. Starting 1953 a high gear lockout was added in. When the driver selects S, fourth gear is locked out. This aids in hill climbing. Basically the S uses only gears 12 and 3. On the turbo hydramatic that would be used later that stood for second. And also locked out high gear. I can see that as a four-speed hydromatic because the shift range selector shows the reverse at the bottom.

[@chuckpeterson3262]

I could be wrong but I think that remote control passenger side mirror was not a stock option. I think someone put that in later.

[@thompson63]

All my Grandfather drove was Olds.

[@jasoncarpp7742]

I find most cars of the 1950s through the early 80s more attractive than most of today's cars.

[@What.its.like.]

100 agree everything looks the same now it’s like we’re driving around a little blobs of white gray every now and then you’ll see a red one The colors are very blah

[@jasoncarpp7742]

@@What.its.like. I agree. Another thing I've never liked are the strict emissions standards that these new cars must meet. I'd like to breathe clean air as much as anyone. But I fail to see how completely electric powered cars will do that.

[@What.its.like.]

Electric is the greatest bait and switch of all time, and people are either too dumb or naïve to see it, don’t get me wrong I like electric cars but not everybody can have them and what happens whenever all of that technology becomes obsolete/ batteries don’t work anymore they aren’t recyclable like the old technology was. We are going to have a colossal problem on our hands that nobody has a solution for

[@robertfkaz7013]

Very cool car. I had a 64 Super 88. These Starfires are very nice. Thanks! BTW I’d pick the 64 Olds out of all of them. The Wildcat would be second!

[@What.its.like.]

👍👍😀

[@Batman-wv5ng]

Such a lovely car.

[@What.its.like.]

Totally agree =)

[@UncleSalty-nz5uk]

This has a Rotohydramatic transmission, not a turbohydramatic. Turbohydromatic came out in 65 for Oldsmobile. Second clock is aftermarket

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you for that correction

[@UncleSalty-nz5uk]

@What.its.like. No problem. I owned one years ago. They are a pleasure to drive for sure. Thanks for the video!

[@kevinfrances1694]

I love1963

[@stevenhoman2253]

The Old's Starfire is one of the prettiest and most well laid out cars of the 60s from GM.

[@What.its.like.]

Totally agree the interior rivals both Lincoln and well I’ve seen the Cadillac from this era but I’ve never been in one

[@jrkat]

😊 nice

[@davearnold748]

This car has been restored, however, not in a factory color. I believe I saw this car at the classic auto mall in pa.

[@What.its.like.]

That’s exactly where this car is =)

[@rogersmith7396]

Agree. Way better than new.

[@tigre7739]

I've always liked these models of Olds, but I do like the look of the '63 better. The interior on this is incredibly beautiful, I'd definitely like it better! In '65 they did go a totally different way with the styling, which really lost something as far as this model goes, IMO. I do have to say that I'm not fan of this shade of blue. There is something that I like about all the models really, I think the Wildcat of this year is cool, but to pick just one, I'd choose the GP most likely. Great one for name that tune!😎

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for all of your input it would be really hard to pick a car in 1964 they made so many nice offerings =) in hindsight I should’ve done a comparison between the five of the selected competitors that would’ve been really hard to choose one I don’t know I think I probably choose the Riviera in that price field I have a really soft spot in my heart for that car. =)

[@richardwarren7492]

Personally, I'd take the 63 Why? Had one, loved it. Second question 64 GP, Why? Perhaps one of the cleanest designs ever from GM and in Black? Awesome. The other thing? While the paint looked great on this car, I'm tired of seeing basecoat/clearcoat on these older cars, it's far from original.

[@What.its.like.]

Gm had stellar choices it would have been a really hard choice choosing a new car in 1964 across the board

[@aaronwilliams6989]

As far as style, probably the 65. And as far as the second question, maybe the wildcat.

[@What.its.like.]

👍👍

[@courtneypuzzo2502]

this was the first turbo charged car built in the US unfortunately the early turbos were unreliable so much so that using them wasn't revisited until the 1980s

[@What.its.like.]

That was the jetfire Same body different car I need to find one of those same body different car I need to find one of those =)

[@rogersmith7396]

@@What.its.like. See Leno. He has a turn of the century steam tractor too. You can shovel coal for him.

[@raymondkunkel9615]

I like the 64 I had a 64 88 2 door pulled it out of junk yard restored it and sold it it went to Florida

[@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage]

First question...yes. Second question...Olds all the way!

[@What.its.like.]

=)

[@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage]

@@What.its.like. I own a 1972.

[@ferrochinabisleri1587]

The dice locks are for sure factory...

[@danielulz1640]

Front seat seat belts WERE required for 1964 model cars, I had them in my 64 Monza. With the color match and the Oldsmobile emblem on the buckle, I would say that they were factory installed. That clock in front of the steering wheel is definitely NOT factory. It looks like a cheap stick on to me. Although it was built much like the Buick Wildcat, it was intended to compete with the Riviera, Pontiac Gran Prix, Ford Thunderbird and Chrysler 300 letter series.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for sharing all that information what is the seatbelt mandate because of Ralph Nader’s book unsafe at any speed

[@danielulz1640]

@@What.its.like. not really. Car makers had been looking at safety since the 1930's. Many cars had recessed control knobs in the 30's and 40's. Chrysler had a padded dash board with recessed knobs and fold away window crank knobs in 49. Nash had the uniscope instrument panel with a tambour door covering the radio controls in 49 and 50. This was changed for the 51 model due to customer complaints, they wanted a more conventional glitzy style. Nash also offered seat belts, consistently, from the 49 model but there were few orders. Ford incorporated several safety features beginning with the 1956 model. They also offered an additional optional safety package encluding seat belts and padded dash board and sun visors but again, few people ordered it. By the late 50's, almost all US car makers offered seat belts, optional at extra cost, but few people ordered them. So the Government stepped in requiring front outboard seat belts for 64, rear outboard belts in 65, seat belts for all passengers in 66 and shoulder belts in 68.

[@captaccordion]

You're right - it's a super gorgeous car. It looks original rather than restored. I couldn't quite read the odometer - did it say 48,000? Likewise I couldn't quite read the dash label that you said was for reverberation. I've never heard of that????? Might it have said refrigeration, for when aircon was fitted? Also the camera picked up the most amazing compound curves in the back window. Wow!

[@What.its.like.]

I couldn’t read that switch either I had to pause the video and sharpen it a little bit and that’s what it said because I honestly thought it said refrigeration as well but looking around the car I didn’t see any vents so I knew it couldn’t be that. I can’t believe that these cars never caught on they have everything going for them they look great, they have power and interiors to match Lincoln and Cadillac.. could you imagine how much getting a rear back glass would be that is a really complex curve. I wonder what that car is like to drive at night with headlights beaming through it

[@richardwarren7492]

Never hear heard of reverb? Poor boy, you don't know what you missed.

[@captaccordion]

@@What.its.like. Well, I just learned something. Reverberation is indeed what it is. (I Googled it.) Apparently it works by delaying the sound to the rear speaker, so that it sounds like you're in a cathedral or somesuch. I sure hadn't heard of that one before!

[@rogersmith7396]

Looks way better than new to me. Doubt the paint was a factory color.

[@rogersmith7396]

@@richardwarren7492 Stick your head in a big coffee can and yell. Instant reverb. It was obsolete in recording studios by this time. Think 1950s Wolf Man Jack.

[@chrisjeffries2322]

I prefer the 63 Starfire.

[@misterwhipple2870]

Those early '60s GM tachometers were a joke! (Chevrolet offered them too!) Too small to be useful and itty-bitty speedometers in the center were a serious distraction from the road. Chevy in '65 offered a really nice one, and the vacuum gauge too. I liked the '62 Starfire better. They had ads with Florence Henderson in them. I would have loved to get her in the back seat of that car!!!!!! She lived to be 82. What I loved about the '62s and '63s was the cylinder speedometer, which GM tossed out the window in '64. That, to me, really cheapened up the looks of the car. I loved that thing! Lincoln offered that up until '77, the only manufacturer that did. Chrysler dumped it in '65, and Volvo in '68 I think.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for sharing all that insight =) one of my favorite interiors of all time is 67 olds toronado buttons for everything and timeless design

[@rogersmith7396]

The Pontiac hood mount tach was nearly useless but I assume a direct drive off the distributor as in my TR 6.

[@misterwhipple2870]

@@rogersmith7396 Oh, you mean "The JUDGE"? God, that car was worthless! They supposedly did that so you could stare straight at it while shifting at the drag-strip. As if that fat pig could show its FACE at a drag-strip.

[@rogersmith7396]

@@misterwhipple2870 My friend had a 400 convertable Judge. It was just a decal package. I thought they were all decals but I saw a rare 455 Ram Air 3 on the tube the other day. There were a few hot ones. I think maybe Firebird had a hood mount. The only good part would be if the mount was directly over the distributor for the PTO drive. Maybe some NASCAR rides had hood mounts. Electronic tachs were considered inaccurate in those days. On my Ninja 1000 I will hit valve float before the tach catches up so the float is my shift point.

[@rogersmith7396]

And of course most of those Pontiacs were automatics.

[@williamgregory6684]

Front seatbelts we're mandatory in 1964 I believe.

[@What.its.like.]

Thank you so much for sharing that information =)

[@rogersmith7396]

So was smoking. Ask 9 out of 10 Doctors.

[@leoneaster]

Query... was that a tachometer or a vacuum gauge? I owned a 1969 Buick Grand Sport 400 with a console vacuum gauge as shown there, I know Pontiac Grand Prix et al had vacuum gauges of that era, no tach I had to buy an aftermarket tach!

[@What.its.like.]

This one tach is on center console I watched it back says RPM

[@rogersmith7396]

Cadillac might be happy with 25000 sales but I don't know if Olds would be.