1969 AMC SC/Rambler vs 1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 - PURE STOCK DRAG RACE

[@CarsAndZebras]

Talk about two AWESOME cars! The A12 brings a lot of great parts to the Super Bee, and what can I say about the AMC SC/Rambler..... 'MURICA!!!!!!! Honestly, that AMC is one of my favorite cars at the Pure Stocks! What a great deal back in 1969.

[@jpb1231000]

What is the weight difference in the two??/ ~ 600 lbs??? That 's a bigger deal than I realized! I'm glad you included it!!!

[@jeremythompson9122]

The best part about the S/C Rambler, the Rebel Machine, and the Javelin Trans Am is that you can burn rubber and make Liberals cry with the patriotic paint scheme all at the same time. All the Liberal tears will keep the street wet so you can do even nicer burnouts👍👍

[@CarsAndZebras]

@@jeremythompson9122 - Haha, brutal

[@phildouglas9086]

You need to highlight each of 3 races. Commentary of yours to let us knuckleheads know what happened. You lube us all up for 20 freaking minutes and then Lights Out when the show begins. Zero in on cars leaving the starting line. Explain each race. Thanks. Other than those, Zebras is tits.

[@phildouglas9086]

@@jeremythompson9122 You left out the part about blind flag waving hypocrites being warmongers disguised as overweight Christians.

[@hnguye22]

I'm a Mopar guy, the 1969 AMC Hurst SC/Rambler is one of favorite cars.Wow, a beauty! AMC got their stuff back then.

[@dougbrooks4323]

The AMC 390 is a very underrated engine!!!

[@glenndietzel4339]

In 1978 I had a friend who had a Scrambler 390 I'd say around 370hp with solid cam headers 750 carb, Chris had a Rochester on his.

[@gordocarbo]

@@glenndietzel4339 Neighbor had a 390 AMX..ported heads big solid flat tappet intake headers 3500 stall 4.xx gears one of the quickest cars in the area back then

[@lukequigley121]

Was a bodyman for AMC / JEEP dealer 77-79 and remember a SC being delivered off the car carrier and DANG what a beauty..Had some carrier damage, [ we were called out to inspect as they came off carrier] and I MIGHT GET TO DRIVE IT..Decent left qtr dent [right in center of red]and YES i said pick me ,pick me to repair [there were only 3 of us].. I get the repair order n keys and i'm like 23yo and SWEET i'm glowing ,brand new 4mi. new car smell.. I start it up and the exhaust sound was a rush , 2 quick 1/4 revs and around the dealership i go like 3 times not fast but in 2nd and hearing it rack off..Then the shop mgr comes out [w/ a smile and real good about it] motions me in..A blend of lacquer ,buff n detail and drive slow back to sales side and drop off keys..WOW what a memory RUSH..TNX C's and Z's..

[@LoneWolf-yp2mo]

That 'LIL Scrambler surprised a LOT of guys on Saturday nights .... and won a lot of money !! My 2 friends were brothers. 1 bought a Javelin and the other bought a SCRAMBLER as a pair at the dealer for a sweetened deal being a 2 fer !! Both Beautiful cars. The Scrambler was sold when it came time for the house and kids but my buddy kept his Javelin and has it to this day. It's STILL like the day he bought it ! BEAUTIFUL car !!

[@sking2173]

The world is full of available women, but there were only a few Scramblers. Selling it was foolish !!

[@jonathanhudak2059]

That's an awesome story! 👍

[@user-qr7ee2cp4y]

Win or lose.... you drive up to a car show in that Hurst rambler and rest assured, you'll have the only one there. Awesome car.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Exactly, very cool cars

[@1vrsc]

Not really. I own a 67 Dart GTS, 1of 458 and went to a local show and there was another 67 Dart GTS being shown. Another 4 speed car. They made 229 4 speed 67 Dart GTS's. It was a rare sight indeed.

[@packingten]

@@1vrsc LOTS OF DARTS...yeah yeah gts... some trim....1512 Scramblers were built I drove a new one,Rhey'd blow a dart a new ass period!, Put em side by side @ a car show they'd be all kver the Rambler . .. heh heh heh...

[@karlsracing8422]

Yeah not in Kenosha, I'm the only 74 duster, my brothers the the only 67 barracuda and my dad 64 valiant.

[@Lotek117]

@@karlsracing8422 some nice cars in your family man.

[@1957car]

I remember being thirteen back in the summer of 1970. I was riding my Montgomery Ward Hawthorn (a poor kids Schwinn Stingray) and spying a `69 SC/Rambler in the back parking lot of the Green Mountain Inn, Stowe Vermont. I spent the entire afternoon mesmerized by it. I'm not exaggerating. For the entire afternoon I wanted to be nowhere else. The colours. That hood scoop. Been with me all these years. Still poor though.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Ha! Definitely had couple of those bikes in my childhood!

[@irocitZ]

You gotta think, most parents didn't wanna shell out 100 bucks for a bike that kids weren't gonna take care of.

[@netrioter]

@@irocitZ in 1970...a hundred bucks was a weeks pay at a good job.

[@irocitZ]

@@netrioter for sure, it was a lot of money back then, it seemed like just the rich kids whose parents didn't mind shelling out 80-100 bucks for the higher end bikes.. Most kids got the $29.95 bike or even less, no hand brakes and no 3 or 5 speed shifters. However, you still got a USA made bike. Still better than the cheap overseas junk that's being sold today in the US. I was lucky if I got a used hand me down bike back then, these days I do have a few muscle bikes, I definitely missed out when I was a kid because these bikes are fun to ride around on.

[@davidconkling3655]

You could pop wheelies all day. On the monkey geometry bike. I had a early 10 speed. Pougio???? Those were the days of REAL FREEDOM. ( FREEDOM -- RICHIE HAVENS.

[@packingten]

I worked @an AMC dealer in 1969 Mechanics prepped new cars so I got to prep one,wow these little things would FLY!!, They were scary fast!!.

[@Moparmaga-1]

One of the reasons I love mopar is because mopar adopted AMC and are allowed to come hang out at the car shows, not only are mopars nicer then everything else they're the most caring & compassionate cars in the entire universe (yes, the universe)

[@andrewpaul7441]

In 75 I had a 70 Challenger SIXPACK car which always beat my friends 69 440 GTX by a fender. One night my buddy found somebody with the Rambler Scrambler so they raced and the GTX won but he was impressed when the Scrambler pulled the front wheels off the ground.

[@CarsAndZebras]

All those are great cars! Thanks for sharing!

[@danpals7678]

My 70 Roadrunner would pull the front wheels up an inch or 2. I just bought a 66 Charger and I think it could even faster than my Roadrunner or 70 Challenger. IDK

[@ryanbassett2091]

Love the A12 cars, but those SC/Ramblers are a package to be reckoned with for sure! Don't forget the Rebel Machines!

[@bunk-bn9eo]

That SC/Rambler is one of my dream cars. It's small - killer paint - and that engine is fantastic.

[@plumcrazy_trackpak2545]

This has to be one of your top videos! What a great match up! Much closer then I expected to be honest as I'm always pulling for AMC to finish strong! I sure wish AMC would have put cross-rams on their factory cars like the S/C Rambler, Rebel Machine and TA Javelins with 4.44 gears! That A12 is a monster. Thanks MoPar for having the balls to put out a car like that late in 69!

[@edwardestes8038]

Years ago friends of mine were into AMC cars one with a 68 Javelin with a 290 and another with a 70 Hornet with a 390 4 sp. We installed 343 heads on the 290 and headers.That car wasn't the fastest....but it scooted pretty good.The guy who had the Hornet won many back road drag races.I lived in NW Indiana all my life...back in the day we had U.S.30 Dragstrip in Gary,Indiana Many good times there.....and you can still see the remains of it on google earth....like the burn out pit....and the AHRA logoI saw many famous drivers there......what fond memories of youth

[@tristanclark7795]

That SC/Rambler was quicker than I though it’d be!! What an underrated car!

[@netrioter]

AMC was the underdog..always. That's why they are so revered now. Yeah, they did messed up paint jobs and insane hood scoops...and we're expected to lose. They could spank the big blocks. The AMC 8 is a small block...available all the way up to 401ci after they dropped the 390 after 72 (?). They made torque, lots of it and they could rev. I miss AMC

[@josephnewcomb5670]

Super Quick with the lightweight body and good power of the 390

[@themangopyrate]

My dad was a service manager for a hugh AMC dealer in Wisconsin and we got cars direct from the factory. We had 1 of these on the floor, in Red White and Blue. Wow, memories

[@caseyvee4419]

I LOVE seeing AMC cars run, and also Studebakers. Two car lines that did not get the respect they deserved.

[@Trebor-gw8lt]

Not bad! The little Kenosha Rocket hung right with the Hemi Killer.

[@ericmoraski9102]

I remember when these came out. We all laughed until Hot Rod Magazine came out. I bet all of us wish we had one now!

[@mrnobody8540]

The 390 AMC rambler was a badass

[@charliechristie2949]

This video taught something new.( I am a 66 year young drag racing nut)..... The coolest thing I just learned was the SC / Rambler came in TWO paint schemes. I have been around a lot of cars and never saw (or knew of) the second paint scheme on this car. I wonder how many were painted in the second scheme...

[@CarsAndZebras]

Not many of that alternative paint scheme. At least 350, at most ~500. Thanks for watching!

[@robertsnyder5149]

My 1970 Challenger R/T 440+6 had disc brakes and they worked good.

[@rjh1394]

I had the opportunity to drive this car many times while employed by a dealership in Colorado, and yes it was a blast to drive... The story here is incomplete but still interesting...

[@netrioter]

I had a 70 Rebel Machine with group 19 options. 5.00 rear end, removable wheelie bars. The 390 was pushing 500 hp and no heater or interior.I paid 1200 for it in 91 I wish I knew what I had. It wasn't the RWB paint.. it was just dark blue..I thought thought it was modded by the owner. Nope...AMC did it. It would do low 10/high 9's and do insane wheelies. I sold it in 93 for 2 grand. The body was RUSTY. The body was bent from racing. The dude I sold it to,got over 50 grand for it in 2007. It's now 6 figures,rusted out and original. AMC wasn't in the game very long...but they made cars that could destroy the big blocks. ❤️ And somehow it had a title...I guess it wasn't street legal. 😂😂😂

[@dodgeramman7521]

Owned 2 of the A Schemes back when you could afford one for less then $10g just didnt have storage to keep them from elements Had a early one Dec 68 build with small scoop opening and rough grain headrest.My late build was june 7 69 build big scoop opening and fine grain rest.had 4:44 gears doug thorley longtubes holley 750 edelbrock single plane int.group 19 cam and gears.Went best 12.22@ 110mph.best time ever.miss them days😩

[@CarsAndZebras]

Not too shabby! I’d like to find one, but it’s getting tough now!

[@samspade8612]

Wow, the SC really shines against a heavy hitter like an A12.

[@jonathanhudak2059]

That was a great drag race! I've been a Mopar fan for about 35 years and they are still my faves with AMC being my second faves. I was really impressed with the SC Rambler what a car! I thought the Six-Pack Bee would chew up that little AMC but it ended up being a real close shoot out after all!

[@DPG2203]

Awesome!! in the 60s and 70s this video would have left AMC a lot of money.

[@larryrucker]

As a former owner of a "B" scheme SC/Rambler, I can say they were a blast to drive. With the small 14 inch tires they were a handful through 2 and sometimes 3 gears. Mine would still spin on the hard shift to 4th gear. Handling was decent for cars of that era, but nothing like today. The real strength of these cars was the massive amount of torque for a compact car. Just cruising in 4th gear at 60mph and stomping the throttle would set you back in the seat, and sometimes still get the rear wheels to turn over (chirp). Mine was pure stock / all original except for tires, just a freshened engine, and ran a best of 13.49 @ 101.3 on the track. I currently own a 69 AMX that has been set up for drag racing, that I have now owned for over 30 years. My brother had a Rebel Machine when I had my Scrambler and we only ran each other 1 time, I won and he wouldn't race again, you know how little brothers are..LOL. We sure loved our AMC's, but that was long ago...

[@sking2173]

Long ago but great memories ...

[@ccrider77]

That first race was extremely close! That light weight makes a huge difference for the Rambler...

[@charlessmileyvideo]

In one more year AMC had the "dogleg" 1970 heads as standard. Good for 25 more HP with no other upgrades. I helped friends make that swap several times. Different head bolt size and intake manifold needs a few bolt-hole changes. Also a swap to 1970 exhaust manifolds out of a wrecking yard - but that's all easy to accommodate in one day under the shade tree.

[@Al-mx6ru]

Beautiful cars!! Love them both. But I have a soft spot for AMC My Dad has a 69 SCRambler with paint scheme A.390 with dogleg head's from a 70AMX.i love AMC. Keep them coming.i have 4myself.

[@whicker59]

That Rambler wanted to WIN.

[@motorman857]

I remember seeing the SC's sitting at Rambler dealers for months. They were too garish for the times. Same with the Daytona Chargers and the Super Birds. They couldn't give them away. Who knew? I turned 16 in 71 and you could buy an SC for under 2K in the used market. I wanted one so bad but my father said,'' you'll take your eye out kid''. He was right. I probably would have blown it up or crashed it just like everybody else did.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Very interesting! I know that a local dealership here had a Superbird that sat on the lot for 4-5 years, and the owner had to pretty much give it away at that point.

[@motorman857]

@@CarsAndZebras Yea, the wing cars just looked ridiculous as did the big red white and blue SC Ramblers. You do a great job with these video's by the way. I also remember a Lincoln Mercury in Eastchester N.Y. had a Boss 302 Cougar Eliminator for 2 years on their lot. I walked by it every day thru 7th and 8th grade.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Nice! Thanks! New video coming out about 3pm today. Stay tuned... one of the featured cars is a 1 of 10, the other 1 of 125. Pretty rare stuff

[@gordocarbo]

@@CarsAndZebras The 96 GS C4 convertibles same thing. Dealer near me had a red gut white top GS for 2 yrs salesguys said everyone thought it was a clown car. Blew it out for a discount...now they get big $ for being rare. Ok lol

[@CreatorCade]

I daily a 65 Rambler American and I’ve always thought about putting a 440 under the hood. It’s trim code is a 440 but only ever came with a straight six missed opportunity I say.

[@tonyrichards254]

440 is a Chrysler engine. Use an AMC V8, 390 or 401.

[@danpals7678]

I just bought a 66 Charger 383 and Edelbrock 4barrel and dual Flowmaster exaust. Scary fast!

[@danielparton1189]

AMC LIVES ON!!!!

[@rickuyeda4818]

In 1968, my friend bought a new GTX with an auto. It ran at Lions to the tune of 13:55 on cheater slicks and cut outs. Rear end was a 3:23.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Think about what it could do with a little better gearing!

[@madman1rug]

@@CarsAndZebras I had a 69 Coronet RT 375 hp, 4:10 gear ran 13.37 at a speed of 107 mph on street tires at Thompson Dragway back in 1970. I was 24.

[@wileecohagen]

One of the guys in my High School Auto Shop class had a 69 Rambler, painted blue. But his uncle, who he bought the car from, had all the Group 19 parts put on it. At the end of ET the year everyone that had their own car met up at the track to see who had the fastest car, and the Rambler blew them all away. That included a 400 cube 69 GTO, a 70 Camaro with a fresh 350 with duntov cam and a couple Mavericks with wanted over 302’s.

[@CarsAndZebras]

I like Ramblers more and more as I learn about them

[@wileecohagen]

Cars And Zebras I’d be happy to teach you what I know. You can email me at wile dot e dot cohagen at gmail dot com.

[@jeddroston9690]

amc compacts were all about the power2weight ratio...

[@Frankinsteinguitar]

Ah, those were the days! Today's cars suck!

[@CarsAndZebras]

I think there are some cars today that are pretty nice, but they don't seem to have as much character/personality.

[@steelpenguin1]

Cars And Zebras my 2018 Torred Challeger RT shaker with red brembo brakes has a ton of personality. People come up to me all the time asking about it. But I agree most of the new muscle has little personality. The Challegers have a lot of different looks. The Camero and Mustangs....not so much. And before you Camero and Mustang fans kill me...I do like them....just no where near as much.

[@gt-37guy6]

Clair, I have old and new cars...I don't think new cars suck at all, they just do not have the character and soul. My 1970 Pontiac Tempest is a time machine...you FEEL like you are driving around in the 70s....the smell, the feel, the sounds...all unique...

[@gordocarbo]

@@steelpenguin1 Camaro fan but agree the challengers styling is right! Cant get past the Camaros weight and that high door sill it looks so wrong. Bloated pig. So not interested in owning any retro camaro regardless of any power stat. Too heavy Challenger is forgiveable, great hwy road car.

[@charliesierra6919]

These pure stock drag races are great! Grew up in the sixties and seventies and always wondered what these cars could really do vs. each other. That Buick GS @0:35 is sick!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching! If you like the Buick, here it is in another video in a best-of-three drag race. 👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmfEgnuCbslkg7M

[@josephnewcomb5670]

Love that Sc/Rambler talk about a sweet looking sleeper

[@deweydodo6691]

The scrambler was no slouch . A few more mods and who knows .

[@ronniefarnsworth6465]

A12 Super Bee's in #1 condition are selling at Barrett-Jackson or Mecum Auctions from $75,000 to $100,000+ depending on options and rare colors.

[@bw3506]

That Rambler is a pretty quick little ride!

[@CarsAndZebras]

That car surprises me every time I see it run

[@tammyforbes2101]

Those hemi roadrunners and GTX’s ruled the drag strips in the late 60’s early 70’s like the Hellcat did recently it was the big dog as fast as any thing built back then. My father had the 440 supercommando in his but he had slicks and a larger rear end for drag racing so he ran 11.11 126mph was his fastest time at Detroit drag way normally he ran low 12’s. Dad would race the hemi’s and barely beat them in the 1/4 mile then as soon as they passed the 1/4 the hemis would just walk away with there big too end power. But for drag racing the torque is hard to beat.

[@ryurc3033]

It didn't take much tuning to make those 440s as good as the hemi, and they were more reliable on the street.

[@gordocarbo]

@@ryurc3033 Well known fact. Hemis are cool but Id take a 440 or 426 wedge for the st any day Too bad the 440 got such tiny heads

[@Chris-bz6wl]

My uncle owned a Plymouth dealership in Haverhill, Mass years ago so I’m obviously a Mopar guy but those scramblers were a lot of bang for the buck!

[@jamesblair9614]

Yes, the Bee has drum brakes, very very good drum brakes, 11x3, the same ones used on police cars. A good choice for a car destined for the drag strip, they are lighter than the discs and don’t have the drag associated with the discs either.

[@AMCguy]

that amc kicked ass!

[@chicagotom1643]

AMC should have grabbed Studebaker and kept competition in the US Auto industry

[@tulagi1]

They tried to get Packard, but obviously were unsuccessful. They did outlive Packard by 30 years, and Studebaker by 20.

[@tonyrichards254]

That was the plan, to get Studebaker and Packard on board after those two had merged. Problem was, they were in terrible shape financially, especially Studebaker, so when George Romney took over AMC, he backed out.

[@beyond_the_infinite2098]

I owned a white 63 Rambler Ambassador with 327 V8 borg warner 3 speed auto and positraction. I could spin both tires for 6 ft without prelaoding. 0-60 in 9 sec. Doesn't that count?

[@codychickadee5095]

These are amazing man. I love them. Some positive criticism if I may: from my understanding "lower" gears actually refers to more reduction such as a 4.10 and a "taller or higher" gear ratio means less reduction. (

[@johnkendall6962]

With the 4 speed it was hard to get a clean launch from the Rambler and the stock heads didn't flow as well as Dodges 440 6 pack but it was a great car over the top. Perfect for the time. I'm old enough to remember these cars new.

[@charlessmileyvideo]

Perfect swap was the 1970 AMC 390 out of a Rebel Machine. That brought higher RPMs and an very under-rate 340 HP. Good for a 1/-second - stock.

[@chuckhaugan4970]

"That's not a car! It's a Rambler!" Something we teased a friend, who's parents knew he'd kill himself driving anything other than a car with 45hp..... LOL. That is a rare Rambler.

[@CarsAndZebras]

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[@jerrycraig6522]

I had a '67 rogue American, 2 door hardtop, was a 290/auto car, bucket seats that laid flat, perfect date car!!! even with the console, and this little car was a sleeper, we (the car and I) left a lot of stock v-8 mustangs and camaros wondering what just happened!!!

[@jerrycraig6522]

I never beat any big block mopars if we had more than a couple blocks, we could get them out of the hole but everyone knows once the big blocks catch their breath, well...duh!!!

[@jerrycraig6522]

I had that exact same car 290 auto bucket seats that laid flat my girlfriend and I loved that car a lot!!!

[@rickdee67]

I have a hard on for that purple challenger in the opening of the video! That is one of the coolest cars ever and that car is gorgeous! These are the best videos on the Internet. Keep them common great job subscribed!

[@gordocarbo]

Grew up 2oors downb from a guy who had many 70 R/T Challengers all purple. All were dailies..out came the 383 and in went a warmed over 2 bbl 318 for his 100 mi a day commute. Love those cars.

[@4406bbldb]

Do any of you remember the Engine Bearing scare that 360, 390 401 suffered from? Well their engineering was tunning out of business so Chrysler engineering did some of their work. I happened to work in the Chrysler engine lab and worked on this problem (vary odd main bearing wipe). We improved the block webbing and the crank mounting was perfect. Then we realized the bearings were delivered defective, not a block problem in 69 70. We also did a 401. Cid police car Ambassador . It could run with a Monaco police car but it just stopped badly and AMC WAS about done and couldn't afford improvement. Good old days.

[@gordocarbo]

So it was a bearing and not design issue? Is that why everyone says you cant rev a 401?

[@Grodd70]

Love just about all 60s muscle cars. The AMC's don't get much love but the 390 and 401 were pretty impressive engines with forged cranks and connecting rods. I had a AMC 360 in a CJ 5 with just an Edlebrock Performer "kit" manifold, carb and cam all made to work well with each other and it was a torque beast in the little Jeep.

[@CarsAndZebras]

I did the same on a 360 in an old Wagoneer. Not a ton of horsepower, but plenty of torque!

[@audieconrad8995]

@@CarsAndZebras sometimes it not how fast it'll go...it's how fast it'll get there. Long live AMC muscle. When u think about how short of a time AMC was in the game - not even (barely?) 10 years - they simply kicked ass. Race track - strip - street- when the Rambler boys showed up they spoiled a lot of the Big-3 parties. Long live AMC muscle. Oh wait...fuck it I already said that...

[@CommodoreFloopjack78]

Very nice video, really cool to actually see an AMC for once (going up against a truly great Mopar) and not the same old, run-of-the-mill Mustang vs Camaro stuff.

[@CarsAndZebras]

thanks for watching!

[@gordocarbo]

Never realized how light and quick these were...Havent heard Group 19 in a loong time. Gotta be the coolest factory cold air setup ever! Factory racer if there ever was one!! Nice feature keep up the good work bud.

[@TrinityDestroyer]

A friend of mine has a Rambler. He loves the thing to death, restoring it completely after it caught fire.

[@lennartpettersson9159]

Nothing mentioned about the S/C 13.04 sec.time at 106 mph! Sound on the film just went silent... ET is always on the money not depending on a red light start. As a Pontiac guy it is always nice to put down a Mopar, Chevy or Ford on the grund when braket racing my red '70 Judge RA III with the original WS 366hp 400+..040", cast exhaust manifolds, and 4.33 gears at 12.7-12.8 sec.index with 12.632/107 top. Go for it! Sorry we don't have Factory Stock Racing here in Sweden, missing that very much. Thanks, nice videos!

[@bunk-bn9eo]

I had a buddy of mine who had a 69 Super Bee with a 383. Of course it was built - not your average 383. It had the Torqueflight connected to a Dana 60 with 4:10s.

[@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles]

I enjoyed this video. Good channel!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching!

[@chiefpontiac1800]

Had a friend back in Houston that had a Hurst SC Rambler. It looked just like this one. You have to really respect any car if it is built right. I would have one of these!

[@mlaugh3]

love love love .............................my two choices of muscle. Power and beauty.

[@digtheseblues4284]

The SC/Rambler was meant for NHRA Stock/C class racing from the factory, thus SC. There was a much less noticeable paint scheme available. Not much in the way of other options.

[@daleostrom3613]

DigTheseBlues: They only came one way. When you ordered it, the only option you could check was a radio.

[@TighelanderII]

The SC/Rambler also got rid of "dead weight" like the radio (not sure what that is in it's place on the dash). I thought I read that some models even came with no back seat to further reduce the weight.

[@gt-37guy6]

Any viewers hanging around Anoka MN area in the 80s might remember an SC Rambler parked just off Ferry Street or Main streets and Highway 10 at a small modest home - parked outdoors....for at least 6 or 7 years....Always wanted to get some cash together and talk to them. Even then I thought they would want too much for it, by 1984 or so musclecars were beginning to come up in value. Anyone remember this car?

[@AMCmachine]

Actually I think you could get as low as 5.00:1 gears via the dealership for the SC/Rambler.

[@CarsAndZebras]

That’d be crazy, it’d probably top out at 90mph... but you’d get there pretty fast! Haha

[@jeremythompson9122]

The 69 Hurst S/C Rambler is an awesome ride but the 69 1/2 Roadrunner/Super Bee A12 440/6 is possibly my favorite muscle car ever made

[@CarsAndZebras]

I’m definitely a fan of all. Each has some strengths and weaknesses.... I just don’t know what I would have chose back then!

[@jeremythompson9122]

@@CarsAndZebras There were so many to choose from it was crazy. I prefer the mid size cars and full size cars over the pony cars because I'm 6 foot 4 and most pony cars are just too cramped for me. My favorite muscle cars are probably a 66 Dodge Coronet 426 Hemi, a 68 Dodge Charger R/T, and a 69 Plymouth Roadrunner A12 440/6

[@dukeman7595]

@@jeremythompson9122 Still have to stick with GM, my favorite was the 65 GTO, next the chevelle SS 396, all were 4-speeds.. Today I drive my chic magnet, a 1989 Corvette convertible 6-speed, when the top goes down, so do they. I'm still a young unmarried guy enjoying life and love cars.

[@jeremythompson9122]

@@dukeman7595 my favorite Chevy's are cars like the 409 and 396/427 Biscayne/Bel Air and the 427 COPO cars because they were such sleepers. Pontiac built a shit ton of awesome cars. Would love to have a 421SD Catalina, Ram Air IV GTO(not a Judge), or an SD455 Firebird Formula. The Olds 442 and Buick GS/GSX were really nice cars too...probably the nicest overall muscle cars you could buy as far as the interior and luxury options. Pontiac and Chevy are probably my favorite manufacturers other than Dodge/Plymouth. Chevy definitely built better small blocks than anybody like the fuelie 283 and 327's, L79 327, DZ 302, and LT1 350. I liked some Ford's too like the 427 Galaxies/Fairlanes and 428/429 CJ/SCJ Torino/Cyclone. Not a big Mustang fan but there's a few Stangs I like...65 Shelby GT350 and BOSS 302's. The 67-70 Mercury Cougar was a way nicer car than a Mustang at that time

[@jeremythompson9122]

@@dukeman7595 I agree man. The Vette makes em wet lol

[@51bobtube]

My friend has one. It was also known as the Rambler Scrambler

[@billybob9961]

These cars are works of art the thing I really don’t understand is the adjusted for inflation thing nowadays to get a car like these brand new off the car lot would be 60 or $70,000 so I am thinking true inflation is quite a bit different than what the government tells us inflation is? But I’m no accountant I could be completely wrong I just don’t understand the pricing?

[@mikedrown2721]

I like the high performance vinyl top on the Dodge

[@steve19745]

The unknown hemi slayer ! they only torqued the rods and mains to like 40 ft lbs these are the loosest motors ive ever built if this car had the add ons that still would have made it dirt cheap considerably less than the mopar ! that rambler beat him bad the second run too bad he red lit

[@CarsAndZebras]

I really like the SC/Rambler. You just don't see them that much any more.

[@gordocarbo]

@@CarsAndZebras Only saw a couple back in the 70s as a kid in LA. Both those cars had nice torque! When i was 7 or 8 my aunt who had a 68 Jav dated a guy Im still friends with today, took me for a ride in his 68 Orange AMX . He explained what torque was after a ride I was all smiles! Just sold it 2 yrs ago

[@anthonynelson9136]

My 68 Rambler American looks like the one at 1.24 but it has a 400 small block Chevy with a 4sp and a narrowed Ford 9 inch and runs 12.40 on street tires through the mufflers.

[@CamaroZ-cr9bo]

America normal paint 1 was just good enough for me out of the 2!!

[@JAAB9296]

I had SC/Rambler and the first 500 cars (first run) had the lower blue and red stripes the second run had the bolder paint job as featured in the video, also, the only option you could get was an AM radio. And yes, at least the car I had ran pretty descent for what it was.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Not a bad car for the money back then! I’d like to find one now, but they’re getting pretty expensive.

[@HowardJrFord]

The red sides were the first cars produced , the blue and red lower stripes were the second batch produced .

[@JAAB9296]

@@HowardJrFord Nope. I owned one in 72. Just because you read some magazine, or a book does not mean they were correct. I'm 69 years old and extremely well versed in most all era, sold muscle cars, street rods and lifted 4x4 at a dealership in the Seattle area for 13 years and owned who-knows how many rare cars myself, read endless books along with other salesmen at that dealership. Many, many times the authors of those books often got it wrong. Period. Even Galen Govier in his first run (1st run) of his MOPAR books did not show that ANY 69 1/2 Roadrunner A-12 Six Barrel cars produced. You got it wrong dude.

[@sportsterray66]

​​@@JAAB9296Who cares if you owned one, you're still wrong. The A scheme was the red sides, the B scheme was the blue & red lower. Why don't you ever see the blue & red lower cars in any factory print adds when they first came out, because the red sides were the first batch! 🙄

[@Rieju-Sherco]

That was a "COOL" race!!!! very close!! wonder if the mopar had only a four barrel, what would it had been??

[@dukeman7595]

I read in 1966 the first Rambler mussel car was the Rouge w/a 4-speed and a 292 V=8 engine. Anyone ever hear of this car, it looked like the one shown, minus the paint scheme?

[@MegaJavelin1970]

Yep very rare! If I remember they offered it with a 343 engine as well.

[@dukeman7595]

@@MegaJavelin1970 Or did it come with a 290 c.i. engine? I think I may have stated the wrong engine size, maybe? 1966 is the year I'm referring to. I wouldn't know anymore about the Rambler or it's predecessors. Thanks for the reply..

[@MegaJavelin1970]

@@dukeman7595 Yes 66 had the new 290 which was the first of the new Gen 2 AMC engines followed by the 343 and the 390

[@dukeman7595]

@@MegaJavelin1970 Hey thanks a bunch for the info. I thought I read it was a 290 c.i. instead of the 292 c.i.. Must of been quick with it being so light weight. The car in the article was yellow w/ black stripes running over the hood and trunk. V-8 w/ a factory 4-speed called the "Rouge"

[@tonyrichards254]

Yep. The Rogue was a Rambler American with their new V8, which came in 290 or 343, then later 390. The SC/Rambler came in '69, it was a bare-bones Rambler American with a breathed-on 390, including "Group 19" parts you could get in the trunk.

[@4460cows]

i JUST SAW a 1969 AMC AMX cruise down my street just a day ago which is pretty much the hottest car AMC ever produced based up the Gremlin coupe.

[@gordocarbo]

490 lbs at 3200....a TPI vette made 340 at 3200..let that one sink in. Mopar had the coolest looking hood scoops of all time no doubt. The snorkel on that S/C was killer.

[@lindamcentaffer5969]

Back in the mid- 60s, I had a white '63 Ambassador 990 4-dr sleeper with "Rebel" Drive Train package; 327 AMC mill, 4bbl, stick shift, .410 posi. I dusted a lot of really nice cars in street races & made some bad sports madder than Lefitsts after November, 2016. Really. I never tried to antagonize anyone, but there were dudes that would just throw a royal fit! Ya know, if ya don't want to risk gettin' whooped by Granny's Rambler, don't pull up to the light & blip ye'r throttle, eh? Took it to the old (gone, now) Puyallup, WA 1/4 mi. Race Track & won 12 races in a row. Finally got beat by about a foot by a '55 Ford with a Hi-rise on it. Lotsa fun. My car was actually better suited for 1/8 mi, which no one did in those days, so in a street race, which was usually closer to 1/8 mi., It took a very serious car to beat it. Guess you could say one of my favorite "Oldies" tunes was "Beep! Beep!"

[@addiumuppicus5738]

Ever get it out of second gear ? ; - )

[@tonyrichards254]

How did you have a "4.10 posi" on a car with a torque tube drivetrain?

[@ludedude5228]

Can you imagine those that put the 390 or the 401 in the SC Hornet with a 4 speed with 430 gears , and went Big Block hunting on the streets 💥 Hemi what ?

[@gordocarbo]

Same thoughts! Hornet could be made into a nice st car Id think. Amazing how quick they were for the day. Never paid much attention to the scramblers til now

[@williamcox5216]

STILL NOTHING TOUCHES THE 1969 DZ 11 Z28 ,302 CUBES AND AN ACTUAL HP OF AROUND 425 HP, BROTHER HAD ONE THAT HE PICKED UP AT CHUCK HUTTON CHEVROLET IN DECEMBER 68 WHEN HE CAME BACK FROM VIETNAM, WITH THE JARDINE HEADERS IN THE TRUNK FROM THE DEALERSHIP AND SLICKS AND TUNING, IT RAN A12.99 AT 110 MPH, NO SHIT, REALLY QUICK FOR 1969

[@andrewp1998]

the 340 mopar had much more torque

[@tomj4406]

SC/Rambler redlighted, pretty sure. Is anyone looking at the lights at launch?

[@amc401nash6]

This is another example of why power to weight ratio is so important. The Rambler's 390 if stock, is basically a run of the mill 10.25 compression engine with small block heads. If it had factory performance modifications on the level ot the six pack 440, the A12 Super Bee would have gone home with it's tail between it's legs. 😁

[@rodneychapman1506]

I have a question for you how in the hell can you run small block heads on a big block motor 390 ???

[@amc401nash6]

@@rodneychapman1506 The Gen2 AMC V8 wasn't really a small block, I guess you could call it a medium block. They used the wider bore spacing of their Gen1 engine to save money on the the machining process, this resulted in a slightly longer block compared to the other manufacturers small blocks. The AMC block design also featured a taller deck height supporting a displacement range between 290 and 401 cubic inches. The cylinder heads are very similar to the small block Chevy in both port and valve size so they basically stretched small block heads and made them fit a larger block.

[@homotorsports]

@@rodneychapman1506 I think what they mean is the head size...port size and chamber/valve size is similar to a small block....but with better flow stock AMC heads closely flow the same amount as fully ported double hump heads

[@addiumuppicus5738]

@@rodneychapman1506 , it's all in the head bolt tightening sequence . . . . . . . . . . . .heard they used to do it at midnight on a full moon . . . . . = - ). Just kidding . I never understood the small block displaced big block engines myself . . . .. .like the 318 cu in big block . Huh ? ? ? Or the Ford 400 low compression engine . . . . when the 390 would take it apart performance wise . . . . . ? ? ? ? What were they thinking ? LOL ! ! Probably thinking about creating comments in 2019 on KZbin . . . . . . ; - ) . However we have been known to put 351/C heads on the 351 W blocks . . . .was a monster ! Until they banned them at the dirt tracks . .. . . .

[@addiumuppicus5738]

@@homotorsports , of course I think you are correct . So when you get to my comment . . . . . . enjoy .

[@sergeantmasson3669]

Little AMC Scrambler smaller CID engine but gave that MOPAR a close run anyway.

[@onedge70moparsuperbee23]

Great stuff!:)

[@CarsAndZebras]

Yeah, both of these cars are pretty nasty! 😎

[@philpreston8658]

Awesome "fair" comparison....440 vs. 390

[@FIRE-WOOD]

Well if you factor in the weight advantage the difference in CID and HP is negated.....so in reality I'd say it was a "fair" race.

[@theflyingscotsman9902]

The A body mopars were the way to go . not those big E and B bodys.

[@maynardreed4036]

Always sweet cars.

[@user-zw7ww7kw9c]

Some of those late 60’s Rambler used the same bumper for the front and the rear.

[@CamaroZ-cr9bo]

Six pack had higher compression,as much torque but i think the engine was lighter up front making it even better in the quarter mile run!! Less weight more fly!!

[@mocharger06]

Did AMC ever replace all those people's mailboxes they stole to make those hoodscoops?

[@CarsAndZebras]

😆 but seriously, I love how goofy and over the top that AMC is

[@mocharger06]

@eds9c1, Um are you talking to me?

[@paulplack490]

That scoop looked goofy, but it was one of the few that actually worked. The GM cars all had "scoops" that kept the intake air cooler, which helped a little. The SC/Rambler's actually produced enough pressure to add 15 HP at 100 MPH.

[@rsstrazz6261]

For this kind of duty we can only hope the Rumbler's front end has been vastly re-done -

[@jdez10]

Liked the video. Just subscribed

[@CarsAndZebras]

And I just liked your comment! Thanks for watching! 👍

[@garysarratt1]

This Rambler looks like a ‘64 Chevy II clone.

[@jamesfitzgerald2361]

The ones I've seen had a snorkel hood scoop.

[@benjiarehart2878]

Two of my favorite cars, and as long as I've ever been to car shows. I've yet to seen either one of these in person. My 1st choice would be the A12, but the AMC would be a very close second. There is a Scrambler just like this one for sale on Muscle Cars for sale for $56,500., and it is in nearly mint condition.

[@ronniefarnsworth6465]

That Super Bee's times are right in line with the FAST rules, that AMC is really "Stretching' the Rulebook !!!! SC Never had those ETs back in the day !!! Time for a tear down !! Lol : )