I'm a total Mopar dude and the bee is my favorite car in life I used to own a 69 but hats off to the Camaro too brilliant classic Hot rods I love it
@calebrose46072 жыл бұрын
holy hell, both of these cars are insane!! nobody really seems to understand how quick a 12 second quarter mile is these days, what with all the sub 10 second cars they're running, but I really think it's amazing that they're able to run that fast considering their age. props to the owners for having them running so well, I love seeing these races!
@VG-iq8xq2 жыл бұрын
I know right? The Camaro test back in '69 was a whole 2 seconds slower? I'd really like to see what the owner did to it
@calebrose46072 жыл бұрын
@@VG-iq8xq I would be curious to hear what the owner did to it too(obviously sticking to the factory stock rules), because let's be honest, that's quick, even for modern standards
@billhoman6942 жыл бұрын
And that's on narrow tires to boot! Put a set of drag radials on those cars. And they might dip into the high 11s! And that's naturally aspirated. Cars today that run better times are all forced induction.
@billhoman6942 жыл бұрын
@@chadhaire1711 , this class is "fast " factory appearing stock tire. They run the biggest factory option cam. Do a substantial amount of cylinder head work , distributor curving, carb work and chassis tuning. They even hog out the cast iron exhaust manifolds. And for better traction wear down the tread on the bias tire. But, it goes to show how doing that extra work on factory components can really increase the engine output and how the car can launch on a polyglas bias tire.
@glennkamp46452 жыл бұрын
Especially at the weight of those cars as well
@WildDiamond072 жыл бұрын
I'm a Ford guy, but I love all the GM/Mopar performance engines, even the small-blocks. Great race, like always, C&Z.
@ricktaylor37482 жыл бұрын
Never underestimate the 340 small block, they had MUCH more horsepower than advertised. They wear advertised @ 290 horsepower, but actually produced 350-360 hp.
@WildDiamond072 жыл бұрын
The 1969 Dart's 340 made 320-330 HP according to the NHRA. But my favorite Mopar 340 has to be the 6-BBL/Six Pack from the AARs and T/As. Those made 350-360 HP as well I believe.
@bigthunder28602 жыл бұрын
That 396cid is fast Chevy masterpiece
@charlesdalton9852 жыл бұрын
Incredible driving by both - those reaction times would make a Mongoose jealous! A BB Chevy, and a 440 Six Pack? NICE! Thank you as always.
@parkerwinkelman30072 жыл бұрын
One of the best matchups on this channel. I think I splooged at least twice per race. The sounds of those cars, you just can't beat it.
@bbkingwasthegreatest7112 жыл бұрын
That was close racing, you have to love a Superbee with a six pack too
@justpray3652 жыл бұрын
My first car was a 1970 Charger 440 six pack. The sound of those 3 Holley’s was like taking viagra. It just kept on giving.
@plymouthdie-castreplicas2 жыл бұрын
Amen🙏
@justpray3652 жыл бұрын
@@chadhaire1711 390hp gross. Remember I bought this car in 1972. So this was a fast car for that time. The center carb was 500cfm, and the outer 2 carbs were 350cfm. So yes, it sounded like viagra when it all was tuned and came in right. My current Challenger would have run circles around it, but these cars didn’t exist then.
@rondpert51672 жыл бұрын
@@justpray365 Corvettes were 500 in the center and 350 for the outers, which equal 1200 cfm. Mopar used 350 in the center and 500's for the outers, which equal 1350 like he said in the video. Just a note: 2 barrel carbs are rated differently than 4 barrel. Divide 2v barrels by 1.414. 1350/1.414 = 955 cfm. 1200/1.414 = 849
@justpray3652 жыл бұрын
@@rondpert5167 You are absolutely correct. I had a 50 year brain fart. The sound was glorious and I still remember that.
@jimmeyer76322 жыл бұрын
OHHH 70 CHARGER RT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FAST BUT THE LOOKS WERE SECOND TO NONE
@rickhaile2190 Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy seeing cars from my generation racing. Especially a Camaro beating a Dodge. I've owned 9 Camaros over the years. My most valuable one was a 67 Z-28. Wish I still had that one!
@racerx73192 жыл бұрын
THAT LITTLE BIG BLOCK WAS SCREAMING DOWN THAT STRIP...HIGH REV BIG BLOCKS BY CHEVROLET.👍👍👍👍
@josephmartinez88032 жыл бұрын
The 396 is the 327s big brother 👍🏁
@danielslocum71692 жыл бұрын
@@josephmartinez8803 the more cubes the better for making those big intake ports work.
@unclebob79372 жыл бұрын
WOW, the symphony of big blocks.... intoxicating 🤘
@bruceallen60162 жыл бұрын
This was about the most even match I've seen in a while. Love both and thumb up for posting them.
@plymouthdie-castreplicas2 жыл бұрын
That's a super insect A12!💪
@hobartw97702 жыл бұрын
Best matchup I've seen in a while, thanks.
@hiitsstillme2 жыл бұрын
Some serious racin' here, folks. That Camaro is super strong.
@williamweiss61282 жыл бұрын
😳 love both of them.
@stevepick95272 жыл бұрын
As far as the difference in horsepower ratings of that L78 if I remember right it was for insurance purposes. The motor was the same but when they factory tested it they rated the later year using a lower RPM limit.
@brandaneakright60822 жыл бұрын
Man I love that A12 super bee, definitely one of my top mopar picks. That was some really close racing there to be honest, hats off to both drivers on that one.
@CudaRebelsAutoModeling4262 жыл бұрын
Fantastic match up C&Z, I'm a diehard Mopar guy with a sweet spot for those A12 440 Sixpack/barrel Superbees and Roadrunners, but damn! do I always weaken in the knees when I hear a the sweet sound of a SS396 especially if its in a Camaro! Both of those cars are no slouch when it comes to speed! And the Red A12 Superbee brings back a lot of good memories for me, because my dad use to drive a '69 Dodge Coronet 500 (originally a 318, swapped for a 383) it wasn't the "fastest" but it was cirtainly quick! It also was very close to that shade of red. Again, thanks for the close race and post, I love seeing these classic cars doing what they were built to do... Go fast, and haul a$$!
@louiskats51162 жыл бұрын
Goodday C & Z, What an absolute treat for Sunday morning whilst having my breakfast & washing it down with good old Greek coffee. That has to be the best racing so far this year. Went down to the wire, all 3 races were super close from 2 of the best muscle cars back in the day. Thank you for highlighting how back in 1965 the L78 in the Impala & Corvette were rated at 425 hp. I have at least 120 muscle car books & not one of them goes into detail the difference between the 425 hp L78 & the 1966 375 hp L78. If you can shine some light on it, or anyone it would be greatly appreciated. A quick reference to Ronnie Sox & what quarter mile he ran in a bone stock Plymouth Roadrunner 6BBL manual back in the day. It was a feature in a magazine & I believe he managed to get high 12's in it. Hope you are well. Freezing cold winter in Melbourne. Summer time in your neck of the woods. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
@alanploetz71002 жыл бұрын
One of your best match ups. Thanks for all the fun memories 😊
@kennethray64082 жыл бұрын
I figured that 396 would be way over matched against that 440 six pack, guess I was wrong... AGAIN! LOL. 😂😂😂
@chrishill12862 жыл бұрын
I actually thought with the gearing difference the Dodge would take it.
@steveferguson68092 жыл бұрын
@@chrishill1286 they both have the same gears Camaro not Camero
@gary94262 жыл бұрын
I thought the Camaro would take this just because of the lighter weight. If the Super Bee had a Hemi, I think he would have taken the best of 3, imho.
@bw35062 жыл бұрын
Wow that 396 propels that Camaro better than I have seen them do on the Chevelles but I bet the Camaro is lighter. Nice matchup though. Sweet cars for sure.
@hillybillysillysally50862 жыл бұрын
@@steveferguson6809 I’ve seen several comments over time on these videos of people calling them Cameros. Wonder if they really think that’s how it’s spelled or if their phone is auto correcting lol
@archiebunker60592 жыл бұрын
Both cars won in the right lane, must of been a slight advantage.
@wydopnthrtl Жыл бұрын
Naw.. watch the front end pop up at launch. Who ever cut the better tree won.
@mrkemblegilstrap2 жыл бұрын
great cars. great racing. thank you.
@JamesRS-tk6ep2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely great drag race between these two amazing machines. I'm sad I can only give you 1 thumbs up because this close race deserves more than just 1. Excellent video Cars and Zebras, keep up the great work!
@frankjohnson63422 жыл бұрын
@@chadhaire1711 a lot of these muscle cars from that era suffered from t ET robbing facts . One was the stock exhaust didn’t flow enough air to satisfy a lawn tractor and two they suffered from a major lack of traction in first and second gear. A set of headers and 9” slicks will put both of the se car in NHRA stock class and would be solidly in the ten second 1/4 mile times.
@gordocarbo11 күн бұрын
@@frankjohnson6342 Not sure if these cars were 10 sec capable but hear what youre saying. All one had to do on most stock engines was a little more inital or total timing richen the carb just a tad and they came alive.
@kenttalsma79062 жыл бұрын
Assuming this was live on May 21st at 10am, that's a good crowd turnout.
@dukedavis89502 жыл бұрын
Wow if I had the chance I couldn't pick one. Both beautiful cars and very fast love them both. Great video. Good to hear some of your comments Iike them also.
@brucebryan40812 жыл бұрын
More proof 396's punch above their weight.
@jeremiahg58522 жыл бұрын
Love this channel. And my wife will watch it with me. Lol
@jimmywilkinson91902 жыл бұрын
Both cars had HP motors ! Good match up !
@leedanner50712 жыл бұрын
Nice close matchup, I like them both. THANKS C&Z!!!
@wydopnthrtl Жыл бұрын
I've been to about 6 of those PSMCDR at Mid-Michigan. In all of my 53yrs of life its been the most fun car event (as a spectator) I've ever been to. It's so much fun to go around and look at these museum quality cars then watch them run. Usually the air is cool, the track is ultra sticky and the cars look stock but... run a bit quicker than they would have back in the day. 😉
@74SD455TA Жыл бұрын
All the babies out there that whine and moan about these cars being "modified". So what. Most of these modifications can be done on your driveway or in your garage and that's part of what made them so special in the first place. You have to be a wizard today with an arsenal of tech equipment to even attempt to work on the newer cars. The factory knew that it couldn't pump out more HP for many reasons so they let the public do what they wanted with off the shelf factory upgrades available at those dealers. Keep in mind these are naturally aspirated engines and in my opinion, are the best. So keep your turbo while you're at it. Long live the muscle car, the 1st generation of muscle car.
@gordocarbo11 күн бұрын
Gotta love the late model xxx makes more hp haha comments.
@BoricuaBiker20122 жыл бұрын
"There's no replacement for displacement".... Not always
@63MacGuy2 жыл бұрын
Great race. I really thought the SB was going to take it
@gary94262 жыл бұрын
Another awesome race! Can't get much closer than this...I love both these cars. Two of the quickest from the muscle car era. Would like to see a 440+6 Cuda or Challenger run against this Camaro..I think it would be an interesting matchup. Thanks for another great video, C&Z!
@thegreenerthemeaner2 жыл бұрын
That A12 could transfer some weight and actually better than a Cuda due to wheelbase. But it did give 300 lbs away to the Camaro. A Cuda weighed the same as the A12, 35xx, showing that the A12 were stripped down pretty good. They were bare bones and lots of induction on lots of cubic inches. They were faster than a Hemi Super Bee of the same year.
@gary94262 жыл бұрын
@@thegreenerthemeaner Thanks for the info! The A12 was definitely a no-frills drag racers special. Were they quicker than the Hemi SB in '69 because of the added weight of the 426?
@thegreenerthemeaner2 жыл бұрын
@@gary9426 Yes
@timsharpe34983 ай бұрын
This is the best race between two amazing cars. Keep them coming!
@75Seneca22 жыл бұрын
Great race!
@ronlind17572 жыл бұрын
Great video & race! Thanks for posting...
@marcovarela67022 жыл бұрын
Today $28,154, can’t buy you a well equipped Toyota Corolla, or Honda Civic.. That same modernized Camaro with updated horsepower/performance is well over $50,000💰💰💰💰 The buying power for the middle class is gone😩🥺..Automotive greed along with real estate greed have sunk our buying power! Thanks for a great video and a dream😴
@Shantzonpoint2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see a good heads up race. Cars had the same rear gear which really makes it even. Both are beautiful cars. That Camaro runs good.
@danielslocum71692 жыл бұрын
except for the big weight difference.
@georgewetzel43802 жыл бұрын
Note that all A12s had 4:10s.
@slyane73202 жыл бұрын
Can't believe you didn't call-out that Hound`s tooth interior in the Camero...lol
@LITTLE19942 жыл бұрын
Nice muscle car duel.
@marka61872 жыл бұрын
Chevy always kicks ass
@audieconrad89952 жыл бұрын
Love the rear window decal....but, but, officer!🤣
@tct9mm1512 жыл бұрын
Great video C&Z!! Gotta love the Muscle car era races
@sergeantmasson3669 Жыл бұрын
TCT9MM, Camaro is not a Muscle car. It's a pony car.
@chrishill12862 жыл бұрын
There weren't many SS Cameros with the 396 that I saw around. Both cars were in exquisite condition. I wonder what a 1/2 mile would look like?
@clevlandblock2 жыл бұрын
Oil, coolant, and chunks on the tarmac.
@mrkemblegilstrap2 жыл бұрын
@@clevlandblock ahahahaha!
@gloriamaletta86672 жыл бұрын
Sure with 4.10 gears with no overdrive both would be turning 6500rpm+ at 120mph gearing for a half mile would need to be less aggressive 3.23-3.55 unless you'd like to hold the 4.10s at 120mph screaming 6500rpm+ for another 2 blocks
@mrkemblegilstrap2 жыл бұрын
@@gloriamaletta8667 hah, exactly! in my day, 4.10s are highway gears. I had 4.30s in a challenger that I drove on a 300 mile round trip to race. in my bee, I raced a couple of times in street tires and 4.88s. man, I was sure lookin for the finish those days. did I lift early? no.
@wdfaws81242 жыл бұрын
Great cars, great racing!
@CuChiKat2 жыл бұрын
Loved it ! Keep up the great races so old timers such as myself can re live the good old days. One thing ,not all 396 SS Camaros came with power front disc brakes, I special ordered my '68 RS/SS convertible and it came with drum brakes all around.
@JohnnyRoadRunner-rr6qfАй бұрын
a12 is my dream car. beautiful
@pappy0172 жыл бұрын
Great match up!! Thx C & Z!!
@manher43352 жыл бұрын
the only thing I wish is that the SS cars didn't have "Z28" stripes so often. Frankly, I've always liked the striping of both.
@matsfredsson94452 жыл бұрын
Wow! That is two really hot cars, well tuned and fast as hell! I love it! Thanks for posting!
@benjiarehart28782 жыл бұрын
The A12 Super Bee is my dream car. If I ever come across a lot of money. Its one of the 1st cars I would buy.
@bobqzzi2 жыл бұрын
Some very good racing
@68dart2 жыл бұрын
Awesome , Thanks C&Z
@kimmorrison91692 жыл бұрын
pretty even cars, Lighter weight Camaro has slight advantage. Motors put out about the same horsepower. Advantage Mopar on torque though.
@Bigbriansc2 жыл бұрын
Shows just how much weight plays a part. 300lbs makes a big difference.
@murk1352 Жыл бұрын
You always talk about weight & I know you know this. 100lbs equals a tenth of a second. So when you mention a 300 lbs that’s 3 blinks of an eye basically. I mean, I do little weight savings things too. But 100-200lbs really is a blink or two away…🤷🏻♂️. Keep up the great work & glad you’re back to being yourself…💪🏻😂💯🏁
@gloriamaletta86672 жыл бұрын
The 440 6 pack was a monster but this 396 was under rated and was a big block that was more eager to rev than bigger cubic inch chevy engines like 427 or 454
@michaelgorman53062 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah he's doing the narrating haven't seen one of these videos in a minute
@sabba_dabba86492 жыл бұрын
Great matchup
@brianmaynard73202 жыл бұрын
2 beautiful cars being run HARD!! I love it!!
@goneshootin612 жыл бұрын
Bellisimo camaro !
@timmotel5804 Жыл бұрын
Great cars and great racing. Thank You
@rogerodle875011 ай бұрын
That 300 lb. weight deficit is tough to overcome.
@johnringel98922 жыл бұрын
Great video, of a great match up. Honest, and well informed descriptions of the competitors. The L78 396 was rated at 375 gross horsepower. Actual output was right at 425. The 440 Six Pack was rated at 390, and made about 400 gross horsepower. The A12 Mopar had the advantage in torque. The Camaro had the horsepower, and weight advantage. Both cars ran like they should, and ET right where U expected them. The MPH tell the story. The Camaro is simply making more power. Like I said, a great match up. Two talented drivers/ tuners.
@stefanovichmichael96862 жыл бұрын
Chevy power was hard to beat,and they were the best looking in anyone's book.
@007fredh2 жыл бұрын
What graduation between these two cars. I own a 69 Camaro but it doesn’t have anything close to that L 78 under the hood. I love all muscle cars especially the hot ones from the Mopar era. Mr. zebra keep them coming because these are absolutely fantastic racing and the way you put it out there.
@johnjubie71442 жыл бұрын
I'm a Mopar guy, but that Camaro is very impressive.
@onedge70moparsuperbee23 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Great information. Good times!:)
@Chuck88vert2 жыл бұрын
Very even cars sound good to. Better than two Teslas.
@jayschmahl92062 жыл бұрын
Nice! Both cool and fast.
@e-wing62002 жыл бұрын
Someone explain to me please how you have a better ET but lose the race?
@e-wing62002 жыл бұрын
@@19580822 Ahhhhhh that makes much more sense now. Thank ya👌
@whicker592 жыл бұрын
Yeah baby!!! Some of the pinnacle n muscle cars. This race back n 69/70 woulda drew 100-150 guys standing on knolls to watch. Heck, even 2 6cylinders with a 3 speed on column woulda been fun....getty up go.
@treaverbombard339810 ай бұрын
Camaro has the weight advantage but it just comes down to the driver's reaction time who ever gets the light first wins
@architypeone86467 ай бұрын
The power to weight ratio on both is almost identical. Rear end gearing is the same. It came down to reaction time. The Camaro might have a slight aerodynamic advantage. If the Mopar could shed some weight it would have won.
@BBBILLY862 жыл бұрын
Love the 396 vids!!
@ChrisDavis-dt6xx Жыл бұрын
Very nice
@onenikkione2 жыл бұрын
B E A U T I F U L
@rockyjonesspacecadet70892 жыл бұрын
Groovy man
@elliottmagnum49982 жыл бұрын
Chrysler put all their eggs in one basket, the king Kong Hemi, and it still dominates today. Even chevrolet and ford have slapped their name on all the top fuel and funny cars.
@kevinrice49092 жыл бұрын
Nice sleds. I like the Chrysler
@gordocarbo11 күн бұрын
Great runs and times by noth! mid to low 12s is fast even today..didnt know the Mopar was a 13.50 car off the showroom floor! Look at that badass cold air hood..mopar got those cars right Does this class of racing allow for a larger than stock crank? Anyone know?
@allenkeller85642 жыл бұрын
I'd run both with my 2008 Durango 5.7. I bottom the speedometer at 3000rpm.. Too scared to go 5k.
@gordocarbo11 күн бұрын
5k isnt much? Dont think youd do well against either of these cars. low to mid 12s is moving pretty good
@jimmyford2712 жыл бұрын
The “396” is really a 402
@OldGriz7082 жыл бұрын
So reaction times taken out of the equation the Camaro went 3 for 3
@danielhemple86492 жыл бұрын
The driver of the super Bee weighs 12 lb?
@geraldlafleur77762 жыл бұрын
Both cars tweaked to perfection, looks like advantage Camaro in the power to weight category so the reaction time was critical for the mopar. Hard to consistently put out .03 reaction times. That 300 pounds difference was too much. Maybe if the driver was racehorse jockey size••• Didnt know that about the L78 being in the Corvette earlier and rated 425hp! Says a lot. I'm amazed that they can get that power to the ground with those skinny tires.
@srt8rocketship2412 жыл бұрын
Wich car is cooler? I would own either. Gotta admit , it's all about preference though.
@toddholldorf94942 жыл бұрын
Thats a sweet road runner, but he’s lucky the camaro didn’t have a 427.
@jamesleyda36511 ай бұрын
One on the left is THE beast......... It's a MOPAR so ya
@tskraj31902 жыл бұрын
Very close races! In the quarter mile I feel the 396 powered Camaro is slightly faster because of it's take off but the 440 powered Super Bee definetly catches up and if it was longer than a quarter mile I believe the 440 Super Bee would spank the Camaro.
@timsharpe34982 жыл бұрын
The Camaro had your MOPAR covered by about 3 mph on every run. The Bee wasn’t catching up.
@robertjohnson4401 Жыл бұрын
I disagree. Both had about 4.1 gears. So beyond a quarter mile it would be a matter of which engine could rev higher. The Chevy 396 has a shorter stroke and has the advantage in top end revs.
@gordocarbo11 күн бұрын
Redline on the 396 was higher due to solid lift cam and big rectangle port heads. Look at the difference in mph
@CamaroZ-cr9bo2 жыл бұрын
You all know,it seems like ive seen alot of l78 Camaro's with the fender stripes rather than the RS Z28 rally stripes on a 396 SS!! I know you can get them both types of stripes,or even no stripes numbers matching but most 396's in count do seem to have the side stripes on them!! But,i do love these RS Z28 top rally stripes alot more on the 60's Camaro's!! I like the L48 350 Camaro SS,but people,that's just me!! 396 is too strong in a Camaro,i think the Camaro will probably win becayse of the 4:10 gear!!...🇺🇲🇺🇲
@THExWASP Жыл бұрын
i wanna see a 71 demon 340 on the strip
@randyrobey56432 жыл бұрын
I have always loved Chrysler cars from the muscle car era, but the company failed to develop a well thought out, lightweight, "A" body car with a big-block engine. They shoehorned big blocks into Darts and Barracudas, but those cars were pigs to drive, and they were not exceptionally quick in stock form. The "end of the era," Cudas and Challengers were almost as heavy as Chrysler's mid-sized cars had been. It was a market that Chrysler missed. They probably didn't have the money to develop the platforms they needed to be competitive in the compact/big block class.
@gordocarbo11 күн бұрын
True. Seems mopar interiors or dashes are so spartan and similar? A dodge truck dash doesnt look much different.
@MrBluzhound2 жыл бұрын
Wow, impressive. Another 50 years will go by and they’ll be running 11 flat….
@lennybisutti8693 Жыл бұрын
I'll take those commercials any day over the pure trash the have today...
@gordocarbo11 күн бұрын
Where they showed familys all the same ethnicity? Todays woke bs commercials pizz me off. HOw does a mexican wife black husband pop out a Chinese kid? Oh and 2 daddy families. DIsgusting
@joeyramirez6355 Жыл бұрын
Cut that tree and cheat like Hell. Rules say, "...stock appearing"
@tonymanns82492 жыл бұрын
I doubt that either of these cars were factory stock. :(