1971-Detroit Tiger Hall of Famers Al Kaline and Billy Martin battle with the Umpires at Fenway Park

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@oldiesgeek454
@oldiesgeek454 9 ай бұрын
I like how the one fan quickly hops over the wall, grabs the ball and quickly hops back over the wall. 😅
@hankluvsdagny
@hankluvsdagny 8 ай бұрын
Al Kaline mad and Billy Martin a model of restraint--at the same time! This has to be a one-in-a-million video.
@caveman3096
@caveman3096 7 ай бұрын
Billy would have lost his mind in a tighter game I bet. Up 8/1 with 2 down in the ninth he knew Lolich would finish it off but he got hosed in a big way there
@thomasconaboy1441
@thomasconaboy1441 7 ай бұрын
Hank Soar was no joke
@stevea6816
@stevea6816 6 ай бұрын
Billy must not have been feeling very well that day
@oldredbarnman
@oldredbarnman 9 ай бұрын
This was the last season the Tigers wore these grey road unis, and possibly the only time their names appeared on the back. How I wish they would go back to them, great look! Looked foul to me! Several seasons later, Tiger center fielder Ron LeFlore sliced one around the fair pole for a HR, only to have the umpire rule it foul. Thanks for the upload, nice seeing the Tigers of my youth, and in color!
@jimcoleman598
@jimcoleman598 8 ай бұрын
I like how they had the numbers on the sleave back then too
@jamesbowen8960
@jamesbowen8960 8 ай бұрын
I have two of those jerseys Cash and Kaline. They were very hot and muggy. Beautiful uniforms but boy they were not player friendly. You sweated your fanny off!
@oldredbarnman
@oldredbarnman 7 ай бұрын
@@jamesbowen8960 That's cool! Saw a game worn 1971 Joe Coleman away jersey that went for $900+ on Lelands Auction site. Would love to find a Cash, my alltime favorite player.
@Jleed989
@Jleed989 7 ай бұрын
I agree. Look how “plain” the Yankees road uniforms are but I love the old school
@DavidFobare
@DavidFobare 7 ай бұрын
Those gray unis wouldn’t look the same with today’s fabric. When I was a boy we played in woolen garb until ‘76. Those old unis were great; I would tell my mom I could slide in broken glass and not feel a thing. Great for a 10yo trying to learn a pop up slide.
@williamwhiting6285
@williamwhiting6285 Жыл бұрын
Hank missed this one badly. Absolutely a foul ball and the idiot in the seats interfered with #6. Soar should've known if Al is arguing, and he rarely did, he is correct.
@JAKEtheRAKE23
@JAKEtheRAKE23 29 күн бұрын
From the following quote he had about his interaction with Billy Martin as a player, Soar sounds like he’s full of himself
@boomerpo
@boomerpo 9 ай бұрын
WOW SUCH GREAT TIMES ALL THOSE OLD TIGERS
@dags3
@dags3 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great clip. Keep them coming.
@retromaven2159
@retromaven2159 Жыл бұрын
Thanks dags! Fair or foul????
@dags3
@dags3 Жыл бұрын
I'd say fan interference and the batter should be out.@@retromaven2159
@HRGreenShark
@HRGreenShark 8 ай бұрын
Love those Tiger uniforms with the players number on their sleeves....Awesome. bring them back !!!
@Jleed989
@Jleed989 7 ай бұрын
Agree!
@dr.migilitoloveless2385
@dr.migilitoloveless2385 7 ай бұрын
Exactly 💯👍
@danielboom72
@danielboom72 7 ай бұрын
Without a doubt!
@Woody10719
@Woody10719 6 ай бұрын
No way we got the City connect uniforms! 🤣 With the tire tracks
@dr.migilitoloveless2385
@dr.migilitoloveless2385 6 ай бұрын
@@Woody10719 the city connect aren't baseball uniforms, they're Halloween costumes.
@scootdaws25
@scootdaws25 6 ай бұрын
Even at 39 years old Kaline was cat quick getting over there.
@rpkietur
@rpkietur 6 ай бұрын
i believe he was 37
@danielgray9833
@danielgray9833 11 күн бұрын
Al was 35 during that season and turned 36 right after the season.
@donengland9140
@donengland9140 11 ай бұрын
Love Kaline
@juan833blue
@juan833blue 8 ай бұрын
R.I.P. Al Kaline and Billy Martin
@MarkHermann-u5p
@MarkHermann-u5p Ай бұрын
Thanks for this
@bobma6342
@bobma6342 8 ай бұрын
It's rare to see Al Kaline get upset like that.
@jimcoleman598
@jimcoleman598 7 ай бұрын
True. I recall a game in NY where he was called out at first, threw down his helmet and was immediately ejected. Kaline was hot, as replays showed he was easily safe. I believe it was in 1973 and the whole weekend the Tigers were getting screwed by the umpires. The day before Eddie Brinkman was called out on strikes on a pitch that was 3 feet out of the strike zone. He just threw down his bat and rightfully said " F-You!" You could read his lips. Of course he was ejected too...... Worst calls Id ever seen in a baseball series.
@johngalt60
@johngalt60 7 ай бұрын
@@jimcoleman598 called out on a pitch 3 FEET outside the strike zone, huh?! Okay...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@jimcoleman598
@jimcoleman598 7 ай бұрын
@@johngalt60 Did you see it, 💩for brains?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@oldjarhead386
@oldjarhead386 6 ай бұрын
@@johngalt60Does it matter if it’s 6 inches outside or 3 feet? Have you ever seen Angel Hernandez call behind the plate?
@lolichcombo
@lolichcombo 6 ай бұрын
As long time Tiger fan, I couldn't agree more.
@KenWesaw-up5wf
@KenWesaw-up5wf 7 ай бұрын
If al kaline complained it was a bad call
@kenlauerer3376
@kenlauerer3376 5 ай бұрын
TRUE
@johnwallace2889
@johnwallace2889 5 ай бұрын
Announcer said Kaline waa arguing it was foul. I think he was actually arguing it waa a catch if not for the fan interference.
@gatedancer17
@gatedancer17 6 ай бұрын
And there's Lolich still pitching in the 9th. Something you'd never see today.
@Harpazoed
@Harpazoed 5 ай бұрын
Billy Martin was something else. I miss those days.
@clintscroggs65
@clintscroggs65 Жыл бұрын
Don't know if Kaline would have caught the ball, but it looked like it would fall in the space between the line and the wall. The fan was several seats away from the foul pole.
@gabriel-1957
@gabriel-1957 Жыл бұрын
You can see Kaline let up because the fan interfered, besides Kaline was one of the best outfielders in the game of baseball, you could see it was foul and it was fan interference. Umpire was very dumb on that call.
@80sCardCollector
@80sCardCollector 7 ай бұрын
There is no space there. He let up cause the fan touched it and he knew he could never catch it. Was playing the bounce off the wall
@pwk22
@pwk22 Жыл бұрын
The only time Martin wasn't angry was when he was sleeping.
@johngalt60
@johngalt60 9 ай бұрын
Every right to be angry here.
@chicomaki6103
@chicomaki6103 7 ай бұрын
Even then he was probably angry.
@us-Bahn
@us-Bahn 7 ай бұрын
His wife used to say he’d sleep shout.
@stormbringercoming8105
@stormbringercoming8105 6 ай бұрын
When Billy was managing the A’s, I spoke to him before a game. I was afraid to approach him for an autograph, but he signed and spoke to me for a while. He was the opposite of everything I was led to believe. He was very friendly. Actually, I was surprised he was so nice, considering it was right before a game.
@alvan4080
@alvan4080 7 ай бұрын
Man - do I miss those those days-Billy Martin was one of my Favs-great player and manager
@TheArtOfDean
@TheArtOfDean 6 ай бұрын
Lolich with 29 complete games in 1971. Most TEAMS didn't have that many last season.
@scootdaws25
@scootdaws25 6 ай бұрын
I don't think the whole league had that many.
@davefordavefor
@davefordavefor 6 ай бұрын
Cool video.
@retromaven2159
@retromaven2159 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Hope you keep tuning in!
@chicomaki6103
@chicomaki6103 6 ай бұрын
Billy won everywhere he went but would always be a pain in the ass to both his bosses and players.
@FerrellKatz
@FerrellKatz 9 ай бұрын
Kinda related here, but I saw the Tigers play the defending NL Cincinnati Reds at Louisville's State Fairgrounds ballpark as both teams prepared to start the 1971 season after breaking camp.
@jivepatrol6833
@jivepatrol6833 6 ай бұрын
Mickey was a great pitcher and overshadowed by Denny McClain earlier in his career. I saw him at Tiger Stadium in 1971 and he was dominant. I don't recall him ever getting knocked out of game early. He was a competitor and is a really good guy on top of that!
@michaelwutka9714
@michaelwutka9714 4 ай бұрын
Denny had his run then faded away until I'd entered a 7/11 Gas Station-Convenience Store and working behind the counter yes the only pitcher to have won 31 games in one MLB season. I was GOD SMACKED to be in the presence of history.
@UncleGingersChronicles
@UncleGingersChronicles 8 ай бұрын
I probably watched this game at 10 years old. 😊
@acousticshadow4032
@acousticshadow4032 7 ай бұрын
If not, you watched it at 9 or 11 years old???
@UncleGingersChronicles
@UncleGingersChronicles 7 ай бұрын
​@acousticshadow4032 In 1971, I was ten years old.
@lolichcombo
@lolichcombo 6 ай бұрын
Same here. Not all Tiger games were broadcasted on TV back then and it was an event when they were. Always loved the opening TV credits of Tiger broadcasts at this time too.
@ttiwkram
@ttiwkram 7 ай бұрын
Back when men were men, and pitchers were expected to hurl complete games.
@MartyKeegan
@MartyKeegan Жыл бұрын
Why isn't Lolich in the Hall of Fame? It's a joke. He was a dominant pitcher.
@MarvinBarnes-rg1lv
@MarvinBarnes-rg1lv Жыл бұрын
Brilliant in the '68 world series and what a year he had in '71 when it seemed like Martin pitched him every other game! 376 innings!
@johngalt60
@johngalt60 9 ай бұрын
Because he only won 53% of his decisions, 217 wins. Not everyone is a HOFer.
@MartyKeegan
@MartyKeegan 9 ай бұрын
@@johngalt60 Are you from that era? Did you see him pitch? Because I did and what you said is crazy. Lolich was one of the best pitchers in the game for a long time. You could cite that stat for a lot of Hall of Famers. The guy had a 25 win season. Look at a team like the Angels-- Nolan Ryan was basically a .500 pitcher, but his team was only winning at a .400 level. The numbers can be misleading. I was okay with keeping him out until they started letting everyone in. I''d prefer it be a very exclusive club. Was Steve Garvey a tremendous player, absolutely. But was he as good as Gehrig? Greenberg? Eddie Murray? For me, the hall should be reserved for the best of the best-- I think that's where you're probably coming from-- and I agree. But that's not what it's evolved into.
@johngalt60
@johngalt60 8 ай бұрын
@@MartyKeegan What I said is crazy? What I said is a cold hard fact. He's got some nice seasons on his resume, highlighted by his 25 and 22 win seasons and his performance in the '68 series, of which I am grateful being a Detroit fan. He's also got 14-19, 16-21 and 12-18 seasons on his resume. A pretty good overall pitcher with 2nd and 3rd place Cy Young finishes and three AS appearances, but not HOF worthy. It is what is.
@MartyKeegan
@MartyKeegan 8 ай бұрын
@@johngalt60 John, he's better than many pitchers currently in the hall of fame. He played on some bad teams and in the old park that had a chain link five foot fence as I recall. Lolich is much more than what you're saying-- he just was. I was alive and watched him play. Everyone knew who Mickey Lolich was for a reason. He wasn't fringe, or a guy who just had two good seasons.
@carltonreese4854
@carltonreese4854 9 ай бұрын
That line goes right up to the wall and the ball looks like it is going to be fair. That said, it most certainly should have been fan interference. You cannot have it both ways: if it is foul and in the stands, then it is not interference, but the batter is still up; if it is fair, then it is interference. Either way, there should be no hit or run on the play.
@jamesmmahoney
@jamesmmahoney 7 ай бұрын
Exactly right. The fans arms appeared to come into the field of play which means fan interference and an out. It should not have been a difficult call for the umpires, esp. for the umpire at first base who would have had a direct view down the foul line.
@Tom-dt4ic
@Tom-dt4ic 7 ай бұрын
This was a clear case of fan interference. It should have been the last out, which would have made this game one of the few in MLB history to end on a fan interference call.
@vernpascal1531
@vernpascal1531 7 ай бұрын
One can only imagine how many key calls that Umps got wrong for decades in Playoffs, and WS, before the review process. Look at how many now have to be overturned?
@zxccxz164
@zxccxz164 7 ай бұрын
where is the rest! : )
@AndrewBaumgarten
@AndrewBaumgarten 7 ай бұрын
Surely "Det" won the game, as they would a far more important game, also vs Boston to clinch the '72 A.L. East title, with Mr. Kaline, denied in the game you posted, grabbing the last out. In that strike marred '72 season, it came down to best of 3, at Detroit, with the Tigers winning the first two and the division. Det (86-70) Bost (85-70) was (were?) the final standings. Thank you for all your posts. I have a rare interview with Sandy Koufax from 1989 (also Don Drysdale and Don Sutton) up. View it "Dodgertown Interviews" All are welcome to do so and thanks again.
@timziegler7114
@timziegler7114 Жыл бұрын
It looked foul to me. Kaline had a good case.
@40intrepid
@40intrepid 7 ай бұрын
The same thing happened to the Tigers again in 1978 at Yankee Stadium. A fan in an orange shirt reached over the right field wall, and knocked a fly ball away from Tigers outfielder Mickey Stanley. The only person in the park who didnt see was the umpire Kenny Kaiser, NY probably won the game as a result.
@retromaven2159
@retromaven2159 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out my video. Make sure to check out my other great retro-baseball clips on my page! Please remember to Subscribe and Like! Al Kaline Full At Bat on Monday Night Baseball 1973 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIuZk2CZm7aefrc&ab_channel=RetroMaven Carl Yastrzemski versus Luis Tiant 1979 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZTMqHiFoNSphLM&ab_channel=RetroMaven Tom Seaver 19-Strikeout Game 1970 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWjEdZijlK6sp68&ab_channel=RetroMaven Tom Seaver Returns to Shea Stadium 1977 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYCUiKSul9GcaaM&ab_channel=RetroMaven Rookie of the Year John "The Count" Montefusco in action 1975 kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2PIo6ptq5eMnM0&ab_channel=RetroMaven Hall of Famer Don Drysdale's 200th Win 1968 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4LCZ2ebeJyUl6s&ab_channel=RetroMaven Ralph "The Road Runner" Garr in action 1975 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2PdkI2AbMaHeZI&ab_channel=RetroMaven Pete Rose Long Home Run at Crosley Field 1970 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHakq6FoeaaLq7c&ab_channel=RetroMaven
@dr.migilitoloveless2385
@dr.migilitoloveless2385 7 ай бұрын
I like the Tiger's road grays of that era.
@tomking1890
@tomking1890 7 ай бұрын
You won't see a Tiger team like this again with these present owners.
@joeydbball1729
@joeydbball1729 Жыл бұрын
Very cool! It looked foul. Hard to tell from the angle.
@retromaven2159
@retromaven2159 Жыл бұрын
Thanks JoeyD. I agree, he would have had to have leaned over further to grab the ball in fair territory.
@acousticshadow4032
@acousticshadow4032 7 ай бұрын
Bosox announcer, Ken Coleman, had it wrong. Kaline wasn't claiming the ball was foul ~ he was claiming the fan's interference denied him a chance to catch the ball (for the final out of the game).
@jerome2022
@jerome2022 Жыл бұрын
Perspective pole home run
@marknorthrup4897
@marknorthrup4897 7 ай бұрын
Fans that interfere have no idea that they may be affecting outcomes that have millions of dollars in jeopardy. They are doing damage to the game for a $3 ball.
@michaelcunningham2808
@michaelcunningham2808 8 ай бұрын
I can't tell about fair or foul but it definitely looked like the fan touched the ball. I don't know what the rules were regarding fan interference at the time. Had the game been close Martin probably would've really been arguing.
@darylevrba6705
@darylevrba6705 Жыл бұрын
I say foul...the lines were very close to the stands...the fan didn't extend his arms at the play so it fell right in the bread basket...thanks for the clip keep the 70's coming and if possible a little longer😁😉🤔awesome show thanks a million!!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@retromaven2159
@retromaven2159 Жыл бұрын
Yup, def more to come!
@Sinatraandfriends65
@Sinatraandfriends65 6 ай бұрын
The answer to the CY Young question was Vida Blue
@genesmiley9866
@genesmiley9866 2 ай бұрын
Lose the onscreen text.
@retromaven2159
@retromaven2159 2 ай бұрын
Sorry, it ain't goin' anywhere. Please move on to another site.
@hawk2291
@hawk2291 2 ай бұрын
@@retromaven2159 Hahaha. Nice Maven!
@robertdale8778
@robertdale8778 6 ай бұрын
How about the fan jumping from the stands, grabbing the ball, and hopping back up. Different days!
@mikeomalley7029
@mikeomalley7029 7 ай бұрын
Vida Blue??
@michaelhuene561
@michaelhuene561 6 ай бұрын
Replay review wouldn't have helped at all with the very limited camera angles at that time.
@KittyPurrfect100
@KittyPurrfect100 2 ай бұрын
No designated hitter yet. Pitchers still hit thru 1972 both leagues. DH was added in 1973 by the American League.
@seancuneen5081
@seancuneen5081 8 ай бұрын
Pretty calm for Billy.
@frikster5176
@frikster5176 2 ай бұрын
Billy Martin's in the HOF?????
@saifonlawrence2044
@saifonlawrence2044 7 ай бұрын
...back when the Tigers were great !
@us-Bahn
@us-Bahn 7 ай бұрын
What could the ump possibly argue?
@MarkHermann-u5p
@MarkHermann-u5p Ай бұрын
Billy was a great at telling umps off😊
@Don-n6o
@Don-n6o 2 ай бұрын
I too love the old roadies with the block lettering and numbers, and no orange. Should have never discontinued them. I have watched the Tigers my whole life . Rarely did Al Kaline get mad at the umps. But on this play he had the right to be mad. The dimwit Boston fan interfered with the ball while it was still in the field of play. The umpire clearly missed this and the fact that it was to the right of The Pesky Pole and therefore foul.
@chicomaki6103
@chicomaki6103 7 ай бұрын
I'm assuming the Tigers hung on to win.
@80sCardCollector
@80sCardCollector 7 ай бұрын
Been to Fenway hundreds of times. That’s a fair ball but definitely fan interference. There is no foul ground there!
@davidthompson4649
@davidthompson4649 4 ай бұрын
That ball was foul!. great seeing Gagliano., who last played for the Reds.
@danielbarnett1614
@danielbarnett1614 3 ай бұрын
Saline was great. Had class.
@michaelwutka9714
@michaelwutka9714 4 ай бұрын
The fan interference prevented Mr. Baseball #6 from catching the ball, the batter should have been out.
@millardhale85
@millardhale85 Жыл бұрын
Horrible no call
@rayrussell6258
@rayrussell6258 7 ай бұрын
Fan interference definitely .... fair or foul is impossible to tell from this angle. There isn't much room between the fence and foul line there, so Kaline may have had the best view of anybody.
@dbmusicproductions9181
@dbmusicproductions9181 6 ай бұрын
Can't see the line, so it's impossible to know for sure whether it was fair or foul. But if it was fair, there was definitely fan interference. The ball was touched by the fan. It can't be fair and no fan interference. It would have to be foul with no interference or foul with fan interference, because the ball definitely changes direction. In any case, the call was wrong.
@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul
@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul 8 күн бұрын
Mickey Lolich for the Hall of Fame.
@jamesmmahoney
@jamesmmahoney 7 ай бұрын
That is clearly fan interference as the fans arms reached into the field of play. Hard to believe all four umpires missed that call. The batter should have been ruled out or, at a minimum, the ball should have been called foul and a dead ball.
@CapAnson12345
@CapAnson12345 7 ай бұрын
That play didn't really mean anything in the larger scheme of things.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 7 ай бұрын
Martin didn’t go at it. 😮
@rickhickman1935
@rickhickman1935 6 ай бұрын
Not only was it foul, it may have ALSO been fan interference. I know if Al Kaline was fervently disagreeing with me about something, I'd rethink my position pronto.
@MilePost106
@MilePost106 7 ай бұрын
Take note, notice they aren’t wearing all kinds of braces and crap. This was when baseball was real!
@KevinMiller-xn5vu
@KevinMiller-xn5vu 7 ай бұрын
Billy Martin is NOT a Detroit Tigers Hall Of Famer; he's not even IN the Hall Of Fame.
@normanlinden5786
@normanlinden5786 7 ай бұрын
Martin isn't the HOF.
@joshualangdon3070
@joshualangdon3070 6 ай бұрын
did not know Billy Martin managed the Tigers.
@joeschmoe1794
@joeschmoe1794 7 ай бұрын
Had to be a foul ball. Guy barely reached out of the stands for it, if at all.
@rick188888
@rick188888 6 ай бұрын
Fan interference, fair ball
@KevinMiller-xn5vu
@KevinMiller-xn5vu 7 ай бұрын
It was definitely fan interference.
@Tom-dt4ic
@Tom-dt4ic 7 ай бұрын
Agreed. In that case it should have been the last out, making this game one of the few in MLB history that ended with a fan interference call.
@francis-dt2hl
@francis-dt2hl 7 ай бұрын
billy martin is not in thwe h of f
@prisonersforprofit
@prisonersforprofit 6 ай бұрын
a golden age of baseball, long before instant replay was even thought of. clearly fan interference, batter out. lolich famously beat bob gibson in the 1968 world series, going 3-0 and winning game 7 against gibson, giving gibson his 2nd loss in 9 world series starts. mel stottlemyer would beat gibson in his first world series game (1964), gibson would come back to beat stottlemyer in game 7 to beat the yankees...
@dancolonna6590
@dancolonna6590 6 ай бұрын
Definitely a foul ball
@bobo44donemilking51
@bobo44donemilking51 6 ай бұрын
Lolich was a bull dog
@stephaniegormley9982
@stephaniegormley9982 7 ай бұрын
Even if it was fair, it was fan interference.,
@grayghostmoseby7123
@grayghostmoseby7123 6 ай бұрын
Obvious fan interference
@andrewyoung2796
@andrewyoung2796 7 ай бұрын
Mickey Stanley was interfered with. Yankees won The yanks tied with boston Bucky dent year
@natch27
@natch27 7 ай бұрын
Stanley, instead of chasing after the ball, argued with the umpire while Rivers circled the bases, tying the game at 2-2. Make the play, then argue. Anyway, this happened in the 7th inning in a game on July 3rd. It is a colossal reach to say this affected the ‘78 pennant race.
@latexsolarbeef4990
@latexsolarbeef4990 6 ай бұрын
....rodriguez..brinkman..mcauliffe..mick..al..freehan...norm...billy....seems like yesterday.....
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