1972 Vietnam Report Uncovers How Hanoi Shot Down American Fighter Pilots

[@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker]

Another incredible film from the Vietnam era from my archives - kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2Gmp4tmiJtmaKc

[@drewpall2598]

As sad as this is, this is another gem film footage from your archives to remember those who lost their lives or poorly treated as a POW during the Vietnam conflict. Thanks, David Hoffman.

[@SeeLasSee]

I lived as a child in Vietnam circa 1983. At a Swedish aid project housing camp too.

[@allisonlopez5089]

Another amazing clip. War is horrid.

[@drewpall2598]

As devastating as it is to receive notification that your loved one was KIA during any conflict/war is sad, I can only imagine to received notification that a loved one is MIA/unaccounted for would be far worst. the status of the POW/MIA issue April 12, 2023, 1,579 Americans are now listed by the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA) as missing and unaccounted-for from the Vietnam War.

[@matthewfarmer2520]

Thanks for putting up more content like this Vietnam era it's to remember what have happened and never to forget, I have one friend who served in Vietnam war, he was a head chef making chow for 5000 troops he have other men in the hot kitchen cook it all up. Breakfast, Lunches and Dinner.the war seems it goes on forever. Thanks for sharing David.🎥🎞️😎✌️

[@nowaywithyoueveragai]

While I was raised believing it was a war that had to be fought and was won and anyone thinking otherwise wlould be a "traitor", I left those feeling of hatred and lies long ago behind and now I feel sadness for all friends and family members lost in a foreign country or in the streets upon their return, left to rot having to deal with all the wrongdoings (crimes) committed during that time. I must say I finally understood it when I saw people of my generation (and specially next gen) returning from Afghanistan and Irak. Devoid of all the humanity, joy and hope they once had.

[@dpie4859]

Sweden had a socialist prime minister called Olof Palme. He supported Vietnam and was one of the few western politicians who openly criticized the US war.

[@mrhombreman]

The last social democrat with integrity

[@gracelandone]

I had a friend in 6th grade (1969) whose pilot father was a known POW. That year the POW bracelets appeared and many of us wore one with his name. It made the war and its impact on individuals real to us. If I could remember her name I would research to learn the ultimate result of his captivity. John McCain’s book Faith of My Fathers was a harrowing look at what those men endured.

[@davidmicalizio824]

How many civilians did we slaughter over there?

[@John77Doe]

Far less than in World War II from aerial bombings. However, remember out motto, there are no civilians only targets. There were 2,000,000 civilian deaths, but Americans didn't kill them all. There were a lot of Vietnamese on Vietnamese killings. 😃😃😃😃😃😃

[@10secondsrule]

@@John77Doewhat is so funny?

[@hrishikeshbasumatary4725]

How many Americans Soldiers were tortured to death in Vietnam

[@midimusicforever]

I am not so sure being endorsed by North Vietnam was good for McGovern's chances to become president.

[@John77Doe]

Being endorsed by Russia got Trump elected. 😃😃😃😃

[@orenalbertmeisel3127]

@@John77Doeyou are literally QAnon but left-wing

[@ulfskinn1458]

​@John77Doe I thought the U.S. election system was utterly incorruptible and anyone who said otherwise was a traitor.

[@midimusicforever]

@@John77Doe yep

[@leonhardable]

@John77Doe Hillary Clinton got Trump elected, nobody else. And as long as the Dems try to educate their people instead of chosing good candidates (imagine Sanders vs Trump instead), this will happen again. A majority of trump voters didnt vote FOR trump, but against hillary and the current political mainstream in the west. And your comment is a perfect example of that.

[@267fpkbp]

I voted for McGovern while in the Mekong Delta.

[@jcv71]

As sad as it is for Americans, remember the American Government was the one who invaded Vietnam for no reason and sent these poor American kids to die in Vietnam playing the role of saviour of the Capitalist world, in exchange for the deaths of millions on both sides. Very similar to Iraq. Remember the protest back in the day in front of the White House chanting: “Hey! Hey! Hey! LBJ! How many kids did you kill today?” And What was the outcome of this war? The entire region became communist in the end, and how bad is it today?. It's great, Vietnam has since been flourishing and you may ask yourself why. You may say, yes but their human rights. There are many human rights violated in the US also. for the Immigrants, illegal citizens, gays, blacks, asians, Guantanamo, innocent people in jails. What about those human rights?

[@suegeew9727]

We're still seeing the fall out of our involvement there. Damn the Dulles brothers.

[@Telltell204]

I question the accuracy of the NVA’s tally. 3882 aircraft can’t be correct? I’m aware that they had many SAM sites but I believe that number is greatly exaggerated.

[@SaigonMikael]

I believe that number includes helicopters

[@doomsday9973]

@@SaigonMikaelnope. Including helicopters we lost close to 10k aircraft total. Just the Air Force lost 2700 aircraft alone, not counting marines and navy

[@SaigonMikael]

@@doomsday9973 ok, thanks. The number mentioned here is probably not an exaggeration then. It is mind-boggling, though. My theory came from the number of helicopter pilots (or crewmembers) killed, which was somewhere in the mid 2000s.

[@doomsday9973]

@@SaigonMikael no problem it really is astonishing how many aircraft we lost in that war. Most people can’t believe it. We literally lost roughly 3.9 aircraft per day. Also note that not all those losses were shoot downs (although the majority were) we also lost hundreds and hundreds to accidents, friendly fire etc. After Vietnam the Navy/Air Force etc did a lot of soul searching and tactics changes considering how bad the losses were

[@John77Doe]

Russian SAM's brought down American fighter, not these outdated anti-aircraft batteries. 😃😃😃😃😃

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

The AAA defend SAM sites. It was part of air defense doctrine in most countries. America chose to go with aviation as its primary air defense . Affordability.

[@doomsday9973]

100% false the VAST majority of US aircraft losses in Nam were from AAA fire not SAMS which only accounted for 30% of losses

[@Telltell204]

There were aircraft lost from Triple A. Most of it was 37mm cannon fire and anti-aircraft batteries.

[@chesterproudfoot9864]

@@Chironex_Fleckeri Also because the military viewed aerial bombing as less risky.

[@Antares2]

AAA batteries shot down the majority of US planes destroyed in combat. The SA-2 was surprisingly effective against the B-52s in Linebacker II, but AAA still did most of the work. Which makes sense considering that AAA is much cheaper and can be placed in a lot more places than the expensive missile batteries. So, you can underestimate these "outdated anti-aircraft batteries" as much as you like. Doesn't change history.

[@JB-vk8jk]

This reporter looks like he is in some staged scene like all the Ukraine reporters. A recent report from Ukraine show the camera man and reporter walking in front of the mine sweeper... Or the reporter bending over to show us a grenade that didn't detonate.. such lucky reporters

[@JustMeBlindFreddy]

russki dick

[@FlukeTog]

Holy footage Batman. Ballsy reporter.

[@MIck-M]

Humans on both sides were much 'harder' people than they seem today. Gives me the impression that each man (and woman) would equal three of their equivalents in modern theatres of war. Perhaps that is merely an impression, but still.

[@kathleenferguson3296]

It was only men, in combat.

[@drewpall2598]

@@kathleenferguson3296 even though men only toted an M16 riffle in Vietnam women did serve during the Vietnam conflict as nurses and donut dollies. there are 8 women names on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall,

[@RAEckart22]

You probably got it backward. One modern warrior replaces 3 old-time fighters. We fight much smarter with more psychological training, superior communication & advanced weaponry to get the job done with fewer soldiers than before. But on the ground, it's all the same throughout all time - everyone has it hard no matter what era you fight in.

[@doomsday9973]

@@kathleenferguson3296women fought on the North Vietnamese side, especially in the Vietcong

[@SteveSmith-hh2ni]

Many folks around the world saw America as the bad guys in Vietnam. I fear they may have been right. I think that was also the case in Iraq.

[@Phanlinh92]

Đúng vậy

[@Ivan_StandWithUkraine]

Northen Vietnamese fought bravely and fiercely to defend their right to live in communist shit and drag Southern Vietnamese into it. RIP each of 58,220 Americans 🇺🇸 who parishes defending South Vietnam 🙏🕯️

[@davidmicalizio824]

#GFYS

[@baroqueroll4662]

They were at their home. Do you find it strange that a people decides to live as the fuck they like?

[@MIck-M]

That is a fair summation I think, but you just know someone or other will get all aerated at you for saying it ha. Dave is such a decent bloke, I always refrain from misbehaving too much in his channel's comments - though it gets tempting hehe.

[@nowaywithyoueveragai]

What are your words to the politicians and personnel who sent those souls into that hell based on lies? What are your words to those politicians who left those young souls to rot in the streets as undesirable homeless upon their return?

[@joseph-vw1wm]

South Vietnam was a banana republic shithole that only existed cause of America. Cope Harder loser

[@doomsday9973]

We lost almost 10k aircraft in that war it was a meat grinder our losses were brutal

[@Telltell204]

Actually the US flew 5.25 million sorties and lost 2215 aircraft.

[@doomsday9973]

@@Telltell204 wrong. We lost 3,744 fixed wing aircraft, 5,607 helicopters, 578 UAVs closer to 10k total. That 2215 figure is only for US Air Force fixed wing losses

[@doomsday9973]

@@Telltell204 uhhh I did I literally just gave you the official loss figures I didn’t just make those up by magic. You just spit out ONLY the USAF losses

[@Telltell204]

@@doomsday9973 Got it!