1982 European championships 400m women

[@dougraddi908]

Marita Koch was and is the best 400m runner ever... love her or hate her, she had that natural talent to run 400m, there will be another natural like Koch

[@patrickharrison871]

lol ok....obviously she was massively doping.

[@uksoul2001]

natural ? not what i would say for a chem user

[@minavamp2811]

@@uksoul2001 but for koch to run sub 49 seconds 15 times and sub 48.5 seconds 5 times is astounding. most athletes have a hard time running sub 49 let along sub 48.5 and she did it numerous times in those 2 categories is beyond amazing.

[@uksoul2001]

@@minavamp2811 Koch found to have used the anabolic steroid Oral-Turinabol (4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone) from 1981 to 1984 with dosages ranging from 530 to 1460 mg/year.

[@fanszeneheidersv9338]

@@patrickharrison871 today Doping too....whats the Problem?

[@jamesnazon8714]

Marita is the Queen!!

[@yesterdayproductions1019]

Marita Koch was also very good in the 200. She was power sprinter 400/200. Her best race though was the 400.

[@bbatjargal1549]

Marita and Yarmila REMAIN UNTIL NOW tow of the best 400m runners. Bravo, Marita and Yarmila!

[@saschaberger9294]

jup...the best dopers ever...alongside Griffith-Joyner, all Jamaicans and Marion Jones!

[@bbatjargal1549]

@@saschaberger9294 I would not say "all Jamaicans". There were occasional doping violations among them - Ottey and VCB. Other than that there were no gross and systematic violations among the Jamaican Athletes. Jamaica has probably the best sprinting school in the world at the moment. The only nations that could claim that is the US and historical Soviet Union, and German Democratic Republic!

[@johncooper8398]

Wonderful race. Listen to the crowd! Excited about what they are watching. These days it's usually only a home athlete who gets cheers like that. Legendary race

[@youngsteph1]

In fairness to Marita Koch, she always looked feminine & didn't have the biceps of many of the others who were clearly on drugs.

[@MH77391]

She is such a wonderful runner to watch.

[@64fairlane305]

"she"

[@patrickcoggins6279]

Happy memories of watching athletics in the early 80s, not only of the great races but of the passionate commentary from Ron Pickering and David Coleman

[@humbleone3866]

They r the best! Ever!

[@sanderslongdrive]

A wonderful balanced fluid running technique.

[@jorgeadrianmaya4159]

Naser hizo exacatmente este tiempo en los mundialea de Doha, donde se coronó campeona mundial. Si Marita Koch siempre estuvo bajo la mira por presunto dopaje, Naser debería de estar bajo la mira también, ya que por lo menos Koch fue rompiendo su récord de manera lógica y progresiva durante 5 años (1978 -1982). Para esta carrera ya había bajado por lo menos en 4 ocaciones de los 49 segundos (la primera en los europes de Praga de 1978 con 48.94, la segunda y la tercera en el verano de 1979 hasta dejar el récord en 48.60 y la cuarta en los juegos olímpicos de 1980 con 48.88) además de contar con el record mundial vigente impuesto en 1979 de 200m con 21.71 (récord que fue roto en 1988 por FLO) y una marca en 100m por debajo de los 11 segundos. Todo lo anteriror, previo a esta carrera de 1982. En cambio, los 48.14 que hizo Naser, fueron realizados sin tener marcas previas en 200m o en 100m que pudieran pronosticar una marca de semejante magnitud. Por si fuera poco, la mejor marca de Naser en 400m, hasta antes de realizar los 48.14 en Doha, era por arriba de 49.05, para ser exactos 49.08, que si de por si es una marca excelente para cualquier cuatrocientista de élite, estaba muy lejana de pronosticar una marca de un 48 bajo. Con todo lo anterior expuesto, esto le da cierta credibilidad a Marita Koch (aunque NOS CUESTE RECONOCERLO), que sus tiempos y records de esta legendaria alemana, pueden ser 100% reales sin el uso de sustancias prohibidas. En caso de no ser asi (QUE ES LO MÁS PROBABLE), es un hecho que Naser, actual campeona del mundo, esta dopada también. Saludos desde México. Excelente canal. 😊

[@MarthinHPad]

Pues actualmente Naser está suspendida por faltar a 4 controles de dopaje, en espera de una resolución... Y siempre he pensado en todo lo que expusiste en tu comentario. Y sea cual sea dicha resolución, siempre quedará para la sospecha esos 48.14 s... Incluso de Miller-Uibo si se esperaba una gran marca, pues ya había bajado de los 49s, 48.97 para ser exactos, así es que sus maravillosos 48.37 demostraron que estaba en plena forma para llevarse el oro, que hasta ella no lo podía creer cuando Naser la rebasó...

[@jorgeadrianmaya4159]

@@MarthinHPad ¡Por fin alguien que si le piensa un poquito! Cuando hablo de los tiempos de Naser, todos los chavos, sin excepción alguna, la defienden a capa y espada, sin ningún argumento lógico a su favor, en palabras simples: Pura fanaticada pende... 😅 Hermano, te pregunto: ¿En verdad es tan difícil saber, que el tiempo de 48.14 de Naser NO es limpio 100% ? ¿Porqué todos critican a Marita Koch de haber usado sustancias prohibidas (yo también puedo llegar a pensar eso), pero cuando se trata de Naser, automáticamente se le defiende como si fuera no se, la diosa prometida que vendría a romper todos los esquemas? 🤔😂🤔 Por cierto hermano ¿ Tendrás carreras de Ana Guevara o de otra cuatrocentista de la talla de ella, que aún no esten el youtube? ¡Bendiciones hermano!

[@MarthinHPad]

@@jorgeadrianmaya4159 Así es, siempre que alguien pone en entredicho que ese tiempo es sospechoso, sus fanáticos la siguen defendiendo aún cuando está suspendida temporalmente, así es que esperemos a que nos informen que fue lo que decidió la autoridad correspondiente para saber que pasará con ella en Tokio, si estará o no... En cuanto a lo de Guevara, no amigo, no cuento con material más que el que podemos encontrar aquí en KZbin pero si veo algo nuevo, te lo haré saber... Por cierto que opinas de los rumores que apuntan a que Miller-Uibo solo correrá los 200m en Tokio puesto que no se acomodan los horarios para correr los 400 también y ella ha mencionado que prefiere los 200 pues ya cuenta con el título olímpico en la otra distancia... Saludos.

[@joeortiz7715]

Si piensas que el record de Koch es natural, donde estan los Alemanes Orientales varoniles? Porque no dominaban como ellas?

[@jorgeadrianmaya4159]

@@joeortiz7715 ¡Amigo LEE bien los argumentos expuestos porfavor! 🤦‍♂️

[@ashleyhyne7027]

Breaks world record and is hardly breathing at the finish line. Nothing suspicious there whatsoever.

[@lionelwitherspoon5410]

One of the gteatest..drugs or not.

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

Correction - THE greatest. Set WR's from 60-400m.

[@royestondsouza4069]

All said and done.....80% of the top athletes indulge in comprehensive doping....having said that...Koch was incredible and was a supreme runner.

[@PePinmySteP]

Who's the man congratuling Koch?? Ooohh ohh its KRATOCHVILOVA!!!!

[@mf5202]

The best man won!!

[@PePinmySteP]

@@mf5202 oh Wow ! I can’t believe I wrote this 10 years ago. KZbin was still kinda new... Sorry

[@andisoshal3715]

Assuming (and it's probably best to assume) that all the top protagonists were all doped, and thus the playing field was perversely level, well, in that case you have to admire Koch and Kratochvilova, both incredible athletes. I remember seeing Kratochvilova beat Koch, in a 200. I was there, I was around 14 or 15 and I was astonished seeing just how amazingly fast they were running. If my memory serves me well, it was a 22.40 time, which means it was almost 0.9 seconds slower that Flo Jo. I wonder what she looked like in full flight, I mean actually being there and seeing it... Oh, man I feel old. I loved those 80s rivalries... Gohr vs Ashford, Coe vs Ovett vs Cram, Fatima vs Tessa vs Tiina vs PetraTessa etc. Happy days.

[@royestondsouza4069]

Disgusting comment 😑....she worked her butt off to get those results....so what if she was physically buff??? How do you look? Let's see your face.....

[@jokergame]

These athletes ,whilst good at 400m, could never do the hurdles because their bollocks would snag on the top of the hurdle

[@stevebbuk]

Whilst your vulgarity rankles I do share the sentiment of your remarks.

[@georgefindlay1982]

@@stevebbuk I would say a massive dose of steroids rather than being "manly" were to blame here....the two womens world record in the 400 + 800 should be flung in the skip/dumpster where they belong.

[@stevebbuk]

@@georgefindlay1982 I quite agree George, and entertaining and personable as Flo-Jo was I would have to add the 100m and the 200m to the trashcan.

[@Fatima502]

Well the woman in lane 1 (#356) was world champion at 400m hurdles five years later. So the joke is on you!

[@royestondsouza4069]

@@Fatima502 that was Sabine Busch....yeah!!!

[@jonesyboy69]

Koch was obviously a very naturally talented athlete. But you have to question how she maintained that speed over 400 metres.

[@kallenomalle]

She was 100 years ahead of her time. A millennium of talent.

[@batwings80]

The big question was, was she David Moorcroft in disguise?

[@BOOMSLANG85]

48.15 seconds is the revenge of Marita Koch after being beaten by Jarmila Kratochvilova in Rome ( world cup 1981 ). This one realized 48.61 in Rome and 48.85 here whereas Marita did 49.27 in Rome and 48.15 here.

[@CAPM1964]

Gaby Bussmann GER, lane 6, at that time coached by Jochen Spilker (coach and byway lawyer) who initiated the HAMMER MODEL: New Drugs tested at one athlete in the club and then given to all. Got info by Charlie Francis and GDR coach Meier (--> Marita Maier Koch). Avanar and Dianabol. Today (after sentenced for a few thousand bucks in early 90s): Own Lawyer business and successful out of business activities: Sports committee member, Rotary president in the state of Thuringia.

[@petersmythe6484]

An almost 20meter (I am guessing, I think at least 15meters anyway) lead on 3rd place in a 400m is quite amazing.

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

Looks to be around 18m imo. Although ofc her 400m WR was even better, apart from Vladykina the camera couldn't even see anyone else.

[@gdr205]

And at the end she's not even tired it's amazing drugs or not

[@lease2coach1]

Thanks so much for posting this!

[@traderjoe2]

great race. improving wr by 0,46 seconds. fantastic.... fantastic!

[@sinsin1697]

You have to be a failed athlete no doubt about... To say some stupid shit like that. Even though it was 9 years.. you are failure now! LOL and you are a failure them

[@Logans3Run]

@@patricksweeney5308 Both the 400m & 800m World Records, still stands today, for obvious reasons... ...none of them complimentary...

[@LPCLASSICAL]

@@patricksweeney5308 Kathy Cook ran 49.3 in 1984. She was clean. Koch would be fast anyway maybe running 48.5 with no doping. She was a talent picked out and brilliantly developed in state program.

[@athlete5399]

Evelyn Ashford didnt race 400m seriously. She only ever did it as part of her training buildup. I believe her best is in the 51 sec region. She really favoured the 100m.

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

She didn't have the endurance for 400. Typically, sprinters either have outright speed, for 50, 60, 100 or 200, or endurance for 400. The 400 typically requires a slightly different physiology to the shorter distances. Marita was unique, the ONLY sprinter in history, male or female, who broke WRs over 50m, 60m, 100m, 100yds, 200m, 220yds, 300m, 400m, 4x100m and 4x400m. Btw, her 100m indoor WR of 11.15 still stands today. If it was merely a question of drugs, why did none of the other East Germans have her range? and regardless of that, the rest of the GDR was still miles behind her in the 200 and 400.

[@WithBACON]

@@user-ui6kv2np8i Very hard to say if Ashford did or did not have the endurance for the 400; she was brilliant over 200 meters (see for example kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGGklKusjNhgo68 and kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4TLeXecaJyamck and kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKbMpqh9fpZ5mac ) but rarely ran it after '84 as it aggravated a groin injury.

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

@@WithBACON Yeah, she was great over 200, once beat Marita (just) in 79 with still one of the fastest times in history, it was a great race, Ashford was in 8 Marita in 1, lane 1's always tough, but nevertheless a win is a win.

[@edwardgutierrez2638]

Wow I haven’t seen so many cheaters in one race

[@andrewheath5948]

I saw Koch run the CURRENT and longest ever T&F ( At least to Sept 2021) world record of 47.6 in 1985, ( Canberra , Australia) and at the time after she ran 150 metres I said to those joining me.. she is definitely on something!

[@imanjordan3050]

Who cares ?

[@blaakcoffee]

Isn’t Jarmila’s 800 meter WR the longest standing?

[@gdr205]

Drugs are part of the course n*****

[@Icecoldhard]

these are the people who have brought athletics into disrepute

[@orlandoduran9850]

wenn ich verstehe, dass das Trainingstempo dieser Frau aus diesem Grund enorme Kapazität hat, die 100, 200 und 400 zu führen - dies ist die Spezialität der 400

[@jokergame]

That was SO informative but - and I hate to apprise you of this - IT WAS HUMOUR!! If you ever visit planet Earth you will find it very popular there and you may wish to try some. The commentator said at one point "There's only one girl in it" - how true.

[@uguryilmaz1174]

In Paris 2024 women 100m race, 5 athletes run below 11.00, they all look body builders, sorry but this indicates nothing wrong with Marita Koch performances, she was a great sprinter…

[@davidpollard4051]

Koch hardly out of breath as she easily breaks the world record. Highly dubious.

[@kallenomalle]

You can't say that. She was always a woman with a woman's voice. If she had taken anything, she would have become a man.

[@uguryilmaz1174]

Marita Koch was a superstar, great athlete of her time.

[@herodot2]

Two running pharmacies.

[@petersmythe6484]

+herodot2 Public consciousness regarding such activity was probably quite different back 33 years ago. And to be honest, if true, the defense of the athletes that they didn't "really" know any better might be largely valid as well.

[@MrTelltale]

@ Simon Raaspit: Du hast doch keine Ahnung! Wenn es nach dem Doping ginge, wären alle Länder gleichauf. Aber wer sich jemals ein Training von Marita Koch angeschaut hat, weiß, wie solche Leistungen zustande kommen. Schlepp' Du mal einen Traktorreifen eine Stadionrunde hinter Dir her - dann kannst Du Dich wieder melden!

[@Ironmanfranky73]

Richtig , ich hab sie auch trainieren sehen. War oft dort, beruflich. Der Wahnsinn.

[@brettdavies4953]

Alle diese Ostdeutschen waren drogenabhangig. Es ist eine Ladung Scheisse.Zu viele Frauen haven wegen dieser Scheisse ihre Trame verloren.

[@iliastsouktakos604]

Brett, nur die Ostdeutschen??? Koch wäre so oder so die Beste mit Abstand

[@stephend7679]

Ron pickering commenting hi think brings back memories. Koch was a great athlete.but most of them East German athletes were doped ??...

[@alanmoskowitz5779]

The 80's blood doping era, cont by the russians to present day.

[@frb7968]

Drugs Drugs Drugs

[@ryszardowsianko6445]

Wszyscy dziś wiedzą że Marita Koch była na dopingu od wielu lat, i nadal jej wyniki są uznawane jako rekordy świata.

[@kallenomalle]

Nic nie zostało udowodnione. Była stuletnim talentem.

[@bkkold]

Imagine how fast these girls could've run had they been on drugs. Makes you think 🤔

[@Logans3Run]

A demonstration, of how to cheat and take the absolute piss, in plain sight...

[@fadhilwaynie9620]

38 years ago and yet... Doping test was questionable during that era...

[@mailto88]

Wenn jemand alles weiß dann ihr Klugscheißer und Neider, Gott sei dank Wart ihr alle dabei und kenn jeden und deren Trainingsmethoden!

[@sinsin1697]

So many underachievers people who can't dream won't dream..people who have never put their all into something people who are not confident in themselves really show their hands when they say stupid shit... With no proof at all...

[@waynehentley4332]

Again!🤔🤔

[@JoyceWilliams-zd8kh]

48.14... Salwa Naser did it in 2019 Doha

[@orlandoduran9850]

the 47.60 of marita koch had a history that between 1979 and 1986 Koch under 5 times the 22 in 200 and beat in 6 opportunities the records of the 400 meters and in 100 it had 10.83 they never missed me the 47.60 of the 6/10/1985 in 400 meters

[@waynehentley4332]

Orlando Duran. Vaya ingles!! Muy pobre! No entiendo nada!!

[@orlandoduran9850]

si tengo entendido que el ritmo de entrenamiento de esta mujer era tremendo por eso su tremenda capacidad para correr los 100, 200 y 400-esta su especialidad los 400

[@dehart5]

Steriods helped these ladies race well. There is no doubt these ladies could not have performed nearly as well if they hadn't taken steriods. They started using them during the 70;s and on into the 80's until testing became a reality. It is a shame because the training methods such as speed work and weight training has improved (I was a weightlifter) yet the women's times now in the 400M don't come close to the times in the 80's.

[@orlandoduran9850]

Es una de las pocas carreras en que Marita koch no metió la cabeza en la llegada .si lo hacía era la primera en bajar los 48 en 400 metros

[@orlandoduran9850]

It is one of the few races in which MARITA KOCH. He didn't put his head into the finish line. If he had done so, he would have dropped the 48

[@222mozart]

why nobody speaks about the west european cheaters ???

[@darrenshaw767]

Because the east European cheaters are miles ahead , that’s why lol

[@222mozart]

@@darrenshaw767 hahaha

[@ewaf88]

Is this one of the dirtiest races ever?

[@JoyceWilliams-zd8kh]

Now they can't even make the trials.

[@orlandoduran9850]

una estrella total

[@Ravenoussssss]

Because Americans and Jamaicans have now better shit *Daugh*

[@riittauygun5590]

sport is sport, but fear game without doping

[@orlandoduran9850]

al 31 /12/1984 bajo 5 veces los 22 en 200 y bajo 10 veces lo 48 en 400 en 100 tenía 10; 83 toda una estrella

[@waynehentley4332]

Malinformado!!

[@wsegen]

and now they have her letter to her trainer complaining that he gave higher dosages of PED to her competion (than he gavr to her.)

[@zockerbit1030]

Talking about drugs. We know all about the drugs then and now. And it is not only them! It would be interesting if God, Nelson Mandela, mother Teresa or another reliable person could deliver a list of 100% clean world-records.

[@chrissheridan7401]

looks like a bloke.............

[@gregorysweeting2512]

Agree give them their due.

[@magicmulder]

Hulk Hogan: Remember kids, just take your vitamins and - Reality: Oh bitch please!

[@waynepollitt7653]

They are all on drugs so she was the best

[@Haraka111]

Bro you making your entire family look like losers right now.. Have you ever shook hands with everybody in this race.. Have you ever looked at any anybody in this race in person.. And you going to tell me that all of them are on drugs.. Why because they achieve something that you can't even imagine.. You making your mom look bad right now.. You are puny a little little bitty person and you're making yourself smaller

[@waynehentley4332]

Not all! A 40 meter difference between 1st and 8th in a championship race?🤔🤔🤔

[@Haraka111]

@@waynehentley4332 for that person to try to throw the entire field under the bus... That says a lot about them they have issues in life... Regrets unfinished business,,, insecurities,, and they're trying to put that on other people... That's one of the most ignorant things a person can say.. quite clear they are frustrated with life

[@Haraka111]

@@waynehentley4332 misery loves company

[@jxxxjppp]

of course she was on drugs,but she would have still been a 50 second runner without drugs,if not under.

[@smilingpossum7644]

Bravo Marita Koch

[@jxxxjppp]

they were on drugs then,and theyre certainly on them now.actually many women competing today are more muscular,and just as masculine,as the east germans and others of yesteryear,were.todays athletes arent eating porridge,and yam extract.

[@gtisfree]

22.8 at the 200 meter mark. That's ridiculous!!

[@ohhiitsjustme3445]

I mean, not really! Koch was a 200, 400 runner. In fact she ran the 100/200 at the ‘83 world championships, which enabled Kratochvilova to win the 400/800 double. Top 200m runners will run sub 22 in big meets all the time

[@gorhman]

Because these countries hasnt comunist politic systems anymore and sports are not a priority to show the west countries their politic regime was the best.

[@sinsin1697]

I'm looking at this woman body and it's simply do not say drugs..

[@sinsin1697]

That woman been running fast since 1977 I don't know I think she's the truth

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

Greatest sprinter of all time.

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

She ran 22.5 as a 15 yr old !! A once in a lifetime talent.

[@sinsin1697]

@@user-ui6kv2np8i I didn't know that.. she's one of the greats that's for sure..

[@sinsin1697]

@@user-ui6kv2np8i the greatest of all time.. now you just lost me right there... 10.49,, 21.34,, I think 1988 flojo ,,,would have something to say about that

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

@@sinsin1697 Flo Jo was great for 1 season. Koch was great for 11 yrs. Koch set 30 WRs over 50m, 60m, 100m, 100yds, 200m, 200yds, 300m, 400m, 4x100m, 4x400m. And btw, Koch's indoor WR for 100m STILL stands today, over 41 years later. No comparison imo.

[@ukricha4408]

Vilken kvinna Marita Koch så bra du är :)

[@64fairlane305]

kvinna?

[@Prickler32]

@athlete5399 That is a very interesting statistic. Something I don't think many people know. I certainly didn't. Thanks for it

[@brandongreen4880]

GDR sprinters were great. What i have read is that they did not lift weights but pulled a tyre. Real low dose drug regimen. When they were on drugs they were able to increase their volume of extensive tempo runs (less than 75% of max.) and decrease their specific and speed endurance work all w/out negative side effects. Oh well.

[@bobjacubas6818]

LOL... low does drug regimen ... who are you trying to kid ? The stassi files have shown they gave high doses of drugs to all the women - much higher than the men !

[@brandongreen4880]

Bob Jacubas Really ? The T-Bol doses were definitely lower than the ones prescribed for the men but I will check it out.

[@joeortiz7715]

Yea Heidi Krieger had to undergo a Sex Change from being heavily doped.

[@pinkcottoncandy7980]

love the dope days. crazy how there's a 50 m difference between competitors in the end..

[@eljanrimsa5843]

Shows the difference between scientifically rigorous state labs and improvised self-medication.

[@9ertsch]

I was just counter-riffing on what you'd said! Good grief, we've got no future as a double act if you can only see the humour in your own comments!

[@9ertsch]

That's okay. My retort was a touch sharp. I apologise, too. Peace to the world, from jokergame and 9ertsch!

[@CHEETAH69]

the commentator in this vid proves how important those jobs are. he really seems enthusiastic about the race and that thusly increases the viewers' excitement. Though Jarmila and Marita were doped to within inches of being men, this was STILL an amazing thing to watch.

[@IwontSay]

because T&F is not that important anymore. All money>Football.

[@orlandoduran9850]

Si hay un récord cargado de droga es el florence griffitt joiner en 1988 100 10.49 200 21.34 drug drug drug

[@waynehentley4332]

Y que? Pero adoras a la Koch! Puro antiamericanismo!

[@lisainger6751]

What happened to European athletes?

[@kurtfrancis4621]

Why couldn't this announcer, and for that matter, almost all British announcers pronounce names correctly? It is not Marita KOCK, it is KOCH, pronounced with a long "o" and with the German "hch" on the end.

[@darrenshaw767]

K Francis i would have pronounced it Marita Cheat

[@TheKingOfSting32]

It’s the same with any announcers from any other country? I’ve watched plenty of sports with commentators not speaking in English and they often can’t pronounce British people’s names properly, just language differences dude 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@mrgobrien]

vocal chords develop based on your mother tongue language - so few british people can pronounce it properly without years of practice - loch ness is a good example - the way the scottish pronounce loch (different from the way the english do) is how the germans pronounce koch - at least that is what my german for dummies book says.

[@joelorogo5169]

When doping is still undetected

[@9ertsch]

Ah. That's why there's no such event as the men's hurdles...

[@jokergame]

Sorry, perhaps I'm a little over touchy

[@orlandoduran9850]

Que tremenda velocista

[@ROUGHBULL]

i am also very intersted in!

[@shunedel]

To those who say doping to Koch Let's say to the Englishman who ran the 800M in 1 minute 41 seconds 40 years ago. Oh, he was the president of the IAAF now

[@LPCLASSICAL]

we have evidence Koch and other E germans doped. where is your evidence against Coe?

[@shunedel]

@@LPCLASSICAL Show me your poor evidence. I understand that you would have made a fool of Greg LeMond when he criticized Lance Armstrong.

[@LPCLASSICAL]

@@shunedel I don't have any evidence against Coe and I am not obliged to demonstrate that Coe did not dope. The time to believe anyone doped - is when there is proper evidence. For LeMond - I would have said at the time - where is your evidence? Same as I am saying to you. We cannot go around condemning people based on mere claims. That is not how things are done. Scientific/documentary evidence should be presented. There is evidence Koch doped. If you have some similar documentation proving Coe doped - present it here.

[@shunedel]

@@LPCLASSICAL I'm just asking you to show me your poor evidence that Koch was doping While there is no doubt that the British ran at such a fast time 40 years ago, East German doping is determined by poor evidence. I'm just amazed at your racism

[@LPCLASSICAL]

@@shunedel Racism? Coe and Koch are white. I would be delighted if it it could be shown there is no evidence that Koch doped. I am a huge fan. I watch her races frequently. But the E German Stasi - secret police - documented in detail the state sponsored doping program and who was involved and these documents held in the Stasi archives were opened up. Koch's name is there including the level of the dosage. That is the evidence. There is no similar evidence against Coe. Do you not accept the stasi files as evidence? If not - why?

[@yelyto__4476]

💕 💕 💕 💕 💕 💕

[@MirjanaLfan]

Nice to see Koch and Kratochvilova trying to have a moment at the end there until Koch's GDR team mate shoved her way in.

[@beebeedaley9712]

DOPE MATCH.

[@Haraka111]

Just because they did something that you can't even imagine.. That doesn't make them cheaters or dope as you would say. That just make you a loser. You've been losing all your life.. And now you come on KZbin already with a pre-conclusion about these women and still look them up.. then you looked at this race no less than four times only to make a dumbass comment.. You are a loser.. simple as that

[@beebeedaley9712]

@@Haraka111 oh poor angry little baby, why do you allow the truth and facts to hurt you so much? In 1991 when the old Soviet Union went down it was proven with journals, diaries, doctors and scientists confessing under oath that all the Eastern Bloc Nations had state sponsored doping programs. Please learn to read or at least try to watch a fact based documentary...you may now go back to your delusional vs, lol!

[@Haraka111]

@@beebeedaley9712 LOL what truth... That's the whole problem .. you haven't said one fact... What's the name of the drug.. When was it administered.. who administered it.. When was there failed drug test.. What was the length of the suspension.. YOU SAYS NOTHING.. Your words are bridges that lead to nowhere.. And yet you still looked up this race with a pre-conclusion already in your tiny little imagination.. And looked at the race no less than four times and came up with dope match.. Just because they ran faster than you lol. You're a little man,,, with a little imagination.. The truth hurts,,, you want to know what's the truth. I'm a national champion several times over something you would never achieve in your petty life.. You're a loser.. Ouch that hurt LOL

[@Haraka111]

@@beebeedaley9712 . Truth.. I'm a national champion several times over..kzbin.info/www/bejne/mn_Je52qiMdsiqs.. I know what it's like to run 5-300 at practice.. I know what it's like to run 600 at practice. In November.. I know what it's like to do a thousand crunches a day... But only imagine what it takes to become a world record holder.. And to have a small little ant like you try your hardest to drag a world record holder named through the mud with zero proof.. I have to keep reminding myself still more losers in these comment sections then you can throw a rock at...

[@64fairlane305]

shemales doesn`t need dope to beat females

[@mailto88]

Wenn e

[@AHC63]

These women were not clean.

[@Haraka111]

Honestly bro did you think that before you watch this race,, yet you still watch this race no less than four times. Only to make a week powerless comment under a fake name. Bro you making yourself and your family look like losers

[@gdr205]

You're obviously a liar

[@fergusalex]

stunning stunning

[@tietajajoshua]

CALCULATE THE STATISTICS if you are interested, it was a relevant comment, maybe you are sad and have no life, you can't show your face and have a normal conversation.

[@orlandoduran9850]

It is one of the few races in which MARITA KOCH. He didn't put his head into the finish line. If he had done so, he would have dropped the 48

[@bzach71]

Just enjoy the sports guyss....its a level playing field (...believe it!! everybody accuses everybody else of cheating - even the non-positive later on admit on taking drugs. So why must u guys quarrel btwn each other.- its not you who are running..just ENJOY the sports DUDE.

[@MsSlucyna]

Girls...good joke

[@djdrwatson]

1:41 Let there be no doubt about it - *DRUGS!!* 💊💊💉

[@orlandoduran9850]

good his specialty from 1976 to 1986 10 years-they were 400 meters, but during that period under 5 -five times 22 seconds in the 200 meters and only 2 women dropped it during that same period even in 100 I reach 10.83-I do not understand the critics did not surprise me never his 47.60 of 1985-his training was tremendous

[@orlandoduran9850]

the 47.60 of marita koch had a history that between 1979 and 1986 Koch under 5 times the 22 in 200 and beat in 6 opportunities the records of the 400 meters and in 100 it had 10.83 they never missed me the 47.60 of the 6/10/1985 in 400 meters

[@waynehentley4332]

@@orlandoduran9850 Unintelligible English!!😞😞😞

[@waynehentley4332]

@@orlandoduran9850 Extremely poor English. I don't understand!!

[@Haraka111]

You making yourself look like a little little tiny nobody.. Just because they achieved something that you couldn't even imagine. Would it make you feel better if they ran slower would that make you feel really good in the inside. Because they ran faster than you they had to be on drugs. You making your mama look bad right now bro. Your mama raised a loser... You need to switch your philosophy up

[@HotChixAndMusic]

Just imagine the times Marita would have run over 200 and 400, and Jarmila over 800 if they had had the pyhsical advantage of being black (different heel and bone structure that is perfect for running but makes them sink which is why you never see black people in the final of a swim pool).

[@grigorisbabis-k7u]

if they were black they wouldnt be from east europe so they wouldnt take drugs at that period lol

[@waynehentley4332]

What a stupid comment!!

[@hazelwalsh3269]

All the drugs cheats should give their medals back! Eastern block state sponsored doping! Disgraceful!

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

If the cheats had to give their medals back, no one would ever receive one.

[@Haraka111]

You making your entire family look puny right now... You making your mom look bad. You have the words of a loser. Just because they achieved something that you can't even conceive you couldn't even imagine Would it make you better if they ran slower would that make you feel better if they ran on your level. You making yourself look pathetic you're a little little nobody

[@gdr205]

What a gay statement are drug cheats beat your drug treats

[@obehave1970]

Wow... What drugs can do..... I should start taking some!

[@traderjoe2]

kratochvilova looks a little like a man i think

[@BinuBalan]

Not little very much like a man

[@Roberto_79]

Obviously drugged up to her eyeballs........ but still an amazing sight of pace and power all the way round. To put it in context.. even today she'd be one of the top 5 400m runners in the UK MENS standing!!!! lol