The best ever guineas bar non,what a race of pure quality
@PeterMc14110 күн бұрын
The first 4 home in that race was fantastic horses
@jabhookjabcross42314 жыл бұрын
What a horse. One of the best 2000 guineas ever.
@robertdelacy34342 жыл бұрын
@Stephen Small wouldn't go that far he only ever won once at a mile
@liamg3532 жыл бұрын
@Stephen Small I would say 2nd best field. Brigadier Gerard, Mill Reef, My Swallow the first 3 in the 1971 Guineas was the best in my opinion.
@michaeldowd5545 Жыл бұрын
@@liamg353 Very close in terms of quality. I think EGS performance was better then BG but BG was the better horse in the long run like Frankel. EGS was a pure miler.
@michaeldowd5545 Жыл бұрын
@@liamg353 I think rainbow Quest in 4th trumps BGs Guineas in term of quality. That's the line that makes this race amazing and makes Frankel's Guineas from look very very average.Also EGS had loads in the tank at a mile here.
@josephineubas4655 Жыл бұрын
Top class absolutely winner exceptional. Unbelievable watching him quicken twice especially against these. Chief singer was brilliant. Maybe the best certainly right up there as sprinter 6f horse. Actually think these two El Gran senor-chief singer underated. Imo without question the best 2000 guineas winner. Put it this way Frankels win in his 2000 was way behind ELS. He was drunk at finish. When you see a horse like El Gran senor who travels with so much speed yet stays 10f and keep quickening. Judge him with chief singer speed wise July cup winner beating brilliant sprinters easily not to mention st James palace by 10l. I just think on 2000 guineas performances 1984 the best. Visually, horses, form wise, speed figures.
@londonlady45219 ай бұрын
Fabulous racehorse with a great temperament, very laid back and chilled, one of my absolute favourites. Thank you for uploading.
@strawman24582 жыл бұрын
Best guineas field ever,vintage classic generation,
@PATRIARCA1732 жыл бұрын
Truly devastating. BEST 2000G ever
@strawman2458 Жыл бұрын
Just think in his previous race the gladness stakes he wiped the floor with saddlers Wells who then beat procida and the secreto imo the best crop of 3y olds ever,
@steveo71653 жыл бұрын
One of the Great races.
@maximus89924 жыл бұрын
Pat Eddery one of the best jockeys of his generation.
@robertdelacy34342 жыл бұрын
Of any generation the new lot aren't in his leauge
@JimMcDonaldBoxing-pj7hb27 күн бұрын
@@robertdelacy3434Ryan Moore is in the same league as PE LP SC WC and the likes from back in the day P RIP’, beautiful horseman, gentle soft hands, so he had 🏇🙏
@josephineubas46552 жыл бұрын
A truly brilliant horse. He was a touch lazy as he had a good few runs as a two year old and I remember some close finishes beating a horse called sign of life a couple of times. You could see El Gran senor playing like when eddery pushed him response was instant then stop in front. I saw him quicken up two or three times as a 2year old as he seemed to go asleep when in front. You think he was going to be past and then suddenly bang go again when pushed. Without doubt on their respective 2000 guineas wins El Gran senor would have easily beat Frankel. Mainly because at that stage of Frankel's career he wouldn't settle and would finish very tired like in his next race st James palace. Cecil trained him very well and knew well not to go to epsom as would have destroyed him. Anyway El Gran senor beat a truly brilliant horse in chief singer, just look at him winning the st James palace by many lengths and easily won July cup beating top class sprinters like never so bold, committed. The speed El Gran senor showed here you can picture him without doubt been top class over 6f also not to mention the two derby's he ran in. Frankel tearing away like that would have been no prob to El Gran senor as he had abundance of speed and stamina. The difference as 2000 guineas horses is El Gran senor would settle and could be ridden anywhere. He still would finish really strongly. Now as Frankel matured especially as a 4year old then what a race it would be. I wouldn't be sure been honest but if I had too I would pick El Gran senor cause of wonderful natural ability and temperament. You could ride him anyway.
@PATRIARCA1732 жыл бұрын
Absolutly agree
@michaeldowd5545 Жыл бұрын
Perfect Analysis. Frankel would have been caught inside the last 100 meters and destroyed by 5l if he ran in this race.
@jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering8 ай бұрын
Without doubt you say ? Yes maybe YOU have no doubts but please don’t speak for the rest of us . Your right , he didn’t truly stay a mile n a half so that’s poor judgement for once on Vincent and Roberts behalf . Also they didn’t want to take a chance on him as a 4yo , Frankel was even better as a 4yo . So , good as The Big Man was , Frankel is just ahead in my opinion , and he is WAY better at stud too. 👍🏴
@Nijinsky2611 күн бұрын
El Gran Senor was at least 10 lengths better than Saddler’s Wells. By far the best of the over 60 Group Winning Horses I’ve sat on. Would be interesting to hear how Vincent Rossiter, who rode him most of the time, would rate him against Nijinsky and Sir Ivor today
@padraigohooligan83633 ай бұрын
Chief Singer was top-class sprinter who stretched to win the Sussex Stakes over a mile. El Gran Senor was a top-class middle-distance horse with a mile and a half his absolute limit.
@pauljackson20986 ай бұрын
Best ever 2000 guineas, what horses behind, wow
@michaeldowd55454 жыл бұрын
Frankel is a great horse, but the first 4 in this beat the second in his 2000 Guineas so easily. It would be a joke. Nobody beats Rainbow Quest by 10 lenghts. Rainbow Quest, Arc winner, Coronation Stakes winner. I think 1984,1985,1986, the depth of British horse racing Group 1 horses was amazing. Horses like Enable would be also rans in the big G1 races in this Era. El Gran Senor, Dancing Brave, Pebbles, Oh So Sharp, Sadler's Wells, Bering, Petoski, Chief Singer, Green Desert, Triptych,Chief Singer, Shahrastani , Shardari ,Sagace ,Slip Anchor, Rainbow Quest all probably better than any horse Frankel beat. Personally I think Frankel beats them most of the time, but would have not gone 14 wins against them. Definitely loses by 5l ,the 2000 Guineas to El Gran Senor.
@stevenelief67842 жыл бұрын
Excellent point.
@ordy242910 ай бұрын
Rainbow Quest was never a 1 mile horse. Frankel would have destroyed this field.
@michaeldowd55457 ай бұрын
@@ordy2429 Aa a 4yo.he beats them. Frankel was cooked at the end of his 2000 Guineas, Rainbow Quest comes in an easy easy second in Frankels joke of a 2000 Guineas field. I don't think the distance matters.
@ordy24297 ай бұрын
That was 1 race?@@michaeldowd5545
@mrvillan69516 ай бұрын
@@michaeldowd5545 Of course it matters.
@pauljackson209811 ай бұрын
What a monster of a horse,the best ever guineas
@davidrobinson27762 жыл бұрын
What great race. This Guineas is the benchmark for ratings. Only Brigadier Gerard and Dancing Brave came up against anything like the class of the horses in this race. I firmly believe El Gran Senor would have been unbeatable over 10 furlongs. He barely stayed 12 furlongs and the only reason he went for the Derby was to increase his value at stud. Even then, he should have won the Derby.
@padraigohooligan83633 ай бұрын
The Senor would never have beaten The Brigadier over any distance.
@davidrobinson27763 ай бұрын
@@padraigohooligan8363 Sadly, we'll never know but they were both great horses, sir. And then there was Mill Reef. Would he have beaten the Brigadier over 1m4f?
@PATRIARCA1736 ай бұрын
By stones best miler ever
@michaeldowd55452 ай бұрын
Remember guys Frankel was whipped hard 4 times in his poor 2000 Guineas. The first 2 were not touched here.
@WESSERPARAQUAT4 жыл бұрын
the Senor quickened TWICE
@rawheadrex84872 жыл бұрын
Eddery said the horse didnt win the Derby because he stopped when he was in front. There was no sign of him stopping there.
@garyclarke4840 Жыл бұрын
Its so hard to say what is the best el gran senior,,Frankel or the brilliant dancing brave,,,all exceptional,,the best in 40 years them 3
@ordy242910 ай бұрын
8/10 Furlongs Frankel 12 Furlongs Dancing Brave
@michaeldowd55459 ай бұрын
@@ordy2429 In the 2000 Guineas form EGS. This was a special race and there is no way the second in Frankels 2000 would finish in the top 5 here.
@StephenSmall-sf5um2 ай бұрын
None that would be golden fleece great though they all were
@StephenSmall-sf5um2 ай бұрын
The best eddery ever rode and he stated this that it was golden fleece
@garyclarke48402 ай бұрын
Yes he did say that which suprised me because I thought he said dancing brave was the fastest,,all exceptional Frankel at shorter distances,, personally dancing brave for his arc run
@roberthamilton755410 ай бұрын
God how good golden fleece must have been if pat said he was the best he rode awesome .el gran senor was special
@StephenSmall-sf5um20 күн бұрын
I believe the fleece was better than dancing brave
@PATRIARCA1732 жыл бұрын
El Gran Senor is the best miler ever. Tenue,acceleration dual,cruising speed. Uncomparable Horse.
@mrvillan69516 ай бұрын
The people paid to do the comparing, assess Frankel as much better.
@padraigohooligan83633 ай бұрын
Frankel has a historical Timeform rating of 147. The Senor has a rating of 136.
@PATRIARCA1732 ай бұрын
The joke of the century
@joncaffrey89674 жыл бұрын
pat eddery at his best legend rip my hero
@PATRIARCA173 Жыл бұрын
Any polite person can details fractional times??
@roberthamilton755410 ай бұрын
Didnt make a great stallion but sad he never won at epsom.he was a better horse than secreto but got mugged
@davidrobinson27768 ай бұрын
Pat Eddery was a great jockey but if Lester had ridden this horse he'd have won the Derby.
@michaeldowd55459 ай бұрын
Frankle finishes 3rd in this. Head off like a lunatic in this field, you get caight in the first two on the bridle with 100 meters to go amd look like a chump. But Frankle eats them as a 4yo
@sconzerb7780 Жыл бұрын
He would have destroyed Frankel.
@mrsilverbuck3181 Жыл бұрын
yes what a 2000 guineas that was loaded with class would have loved el gran senor frankel and dancing brave to race each other thanks for message
@josephineubas4655 Жыл бұрын
On their 2000 guineas performances 1st El Gran senor, 2nd dancing brave, 3rd pacemaker tearaway Frankel. His last 2f in guineas was very poor at this level. He did improve significantly with age/ maturity though but certainly not guineas time
@ordy242910 ай бұрын
Nope
@michaeldowd55455 ай бұрын
@@ordy2429 Who did Frankel beat? Nothing Did Frankel finish full of running? Nope.
@padraigohooligan83633 ай бұрын
Timeform ratings suggest otherwise.
@kevinmunday57822 жыл бұрын
Not the best winner of the 2,000 Guineas , that was Frankel
@liamg3532 жыл бұрын
In my opinion that was Brigadier Gerard, Nothing in Fankels Guineas of note. Mill Reef well was beaten by the Brigadier and look what he done.
@genuinematerial66182 жыл бұрын
@@liamg353 I agree 100% Brigadier Gerard beat better horses in his 2000 guineas that included the great Mill Reef and My Swallow
@michaeldowd55452 жыл бұрын
The second in Frankels 2000 might come in sixth in this. Frankel is a great horse but his 2000 Guineas was a very very poor field and he only beat the second by 5 lenghts and was exhausted. The 4th in El Gran Senors Guineas was Rainbow Quest. Look him up. Easily Better then any horse Frankel beat.
@PATRIARCA1732 жыл бұрын
No.EGS would beat Frankel with absolute ease.
@michaeldowd5545 Жыл бұрын
@@genuinematerial6618 Mill reef was not as fast as Chief Singer, great as he was. Not even close. Over a mile Chief Singer eats him for breakfast in a canter. Over 10f Mill reef wins.