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This week's guest is Dr. Howard Schubiner, director of the Mind Body Medicine Center at Providence Hospital in Southfield, Michigan and Clinical Professor at Wayne State University School of Medicine.
According to Dr. Schubiner, our chronic pain is often a learned response or association, meaning that we have conditioned ourselves to associate a trigger with a reaction.
Dr. Schubiner suggests that we can "re-wire" our neural circuits to undo this conditioning using his Mind-Body approach.
If you're suffering from chronic pain or have friends and family that do, Dr Schubiner is well worth a listen.
We talk:
- Howard's conversion to mind-body thinking
- Medicine's blind spot
- Job satisfaction and back pain
- How forgiveness can heal you physically
- How pain protects us
Links:
The Unlearn Your Pain Website - www.unlearnyourpain.com/
Unlern Your Pain - The Book - amzn.to/48WaCXt
Resources recommended by Dr. Hubiner:
- The TMS Wiki - for those suffering from Tension Myositis Syndrome - www.tmswiki.org/
- The Psychophysiologic Disorders Association - dedicated to ending chronic pain - ppdassociation.org/
- SIRPA (UK) - providing a cutting edge approach to chronic pain - www.sirpa.org/
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Introduction to Dr. Howard Schubert and Mind-Body Medicine
00:03:32 - The Brain's Role in Experience
00:06:40 - Interrupting Neural Circuits causing Pain
00:10:06 - Using a Two-Pronged Approach for Therapy
00:13:18 - Unnecessary Suffering and Misdiagnosis of Pain
00:16:42 - Understanding the Brain's Danger Alarm System
00:19:48 - Understanding the Brain's Protection Mechanisms
00:22:43 - The Evolution of Pain and Emotional Injury
00:25:48 - Advancements in Biotechnology and Chronic Pain
00:28:52 - Coexistence and Rebalancing
00:32:00 - The Power of Placebo and Nocebo Effects
00:35:16 - The Importance of Meditation in Pain Management
00:38:32 - Mind-Body Connection and Healing Methods
00:41:50 - Characteristics of Healing and Recovery
00:44:54 - Openness and Desperation
00:48:03 - Hope for Change in Modern Medicine
00:51:19 - Unbollocksifying the Mind-Body Connection

[@hew195050]

I started listening the the PainPT and then got the Curable app recommended by a doctor (imagine that!) and watching various and sundry video's of like nature a couple months ago. After nearly crippling Fibro for most of my life, I'm fairly 50% better with 0% symptoms many times of the day. Still a work in progress especially with the IBS constipation and nocturnal headaches. But VERY sure all will be healed in a short time. I'm 72 tomorrow and wish I'd known about this stuff years ago but better late than never. DON'T STOP BELIEVING! You WILL heal. I promise!

[@Amsudgdhdubdi]

Hope you had a crackling b'day!

[@RichardKingDoesOne]

Great message!

[@DrPatriciaWorby]

That's really interesting. I must recommend to my clients. I work with chronic pain and neurological symptoms.

[@lukaszwolf2688]

Pain Pt Jim is great!

[@tomsale5142]

Are you curing slot of people to

[@kazzey888]

Having been a patient of Dr. Sarno for 25 years, I am so happy to have found Dr Schubiner 2+years ago. Thirty years ago after having 3 yrs of backpain, I said to my then therapist "I think my pain in back is all my rage lodged in back." Two days later I heard of Sarno & his theory made complete sense to me. Dr Sarno asked about my life & confidently told me "you're a typical tms patient". Backpain went away soon after his 2nd lecture. However, I suffered for 30 yrs w all typical symptoms (& headaches from 13 years prior. ) I recall dr sarno told me "hogwash put your heels back on" after podiatrist told me I must have surgery for toe pain & I wouldn't be to walk in 10 years. My toe is fine 20 years now. I have So many Dr sarno stories, but I'm so grateful I watched documentary, all the rage in dec 2019 & found nicole sachs, Dr Schubiner & others to now, NO MORE HEADACHES (43 yrs later). I'm so grateful

[@RichardKingDoesOne]

Thank you for sharing that Karen. Pain is never just manifesting on the physical level. We're always experiencing pain physically, emotionally, psychologically and spiritually simultaneously. It's dumb to look at physical symptoms in isolation.

[@L0ND0NMAN]

25 years was not enough to resolve your problems?

[@kazzey888]

@@L0ND0NMAN guess not. Thankfully I'm a work in progress. It's true what people say about aging. I'm wise AF now. Never felt better at 60.

[@woodfloorsjohnny]

@@L0ND0NMAN ...i was thinking the same thing..😬🤔...Thats a long time

[@L0ND0NMAN]

@@woodfloorsjohnny It's a lifetime

[@HeyJudeHi]

Fabulous, wise, funny, compassionate, gorgeous man.

[@stevenking8923]

I'm only a couple weeks into the program and I have had way less pain and I've been dealing with pain for about 40 years I recently had a relapse of pain but I'm getting back on the program and I will be fine. If you've had chronic pain as long as me don't expect to heal yourself in 28 days but you will start to see the difference. In a warning to those that don't want to stop going to the doctor and trying different medications I had a colleague at work who was dealing with chronic headaches and eventually the doctor gave her something so strong that she ended up with the allergic reaction and ended up in the burn unit with her skin peeling off and now she has a actual disease from the medication. I've been pleading with her to read the book but she's dragging her feet even after her experience

[@Ericaaaaaaaaaa]

Whoa, what Dr. Schubiner described about pain that starts at the second wedding is EXACTLY my experience. My pain started the very same day of my second wedding. It's exactly as Dr. Schubiner described. My first husband was abusive. Current husband is amazing. But my brain's alarm signals went off anyway. I never connected these things before. 🥺

[@EsotericHighway]

Dr Shubiner is one of the most wise, open minded, intelligent, and balanced doctors I've ever come across. Feel blessed to have found this guy. So much of what he says makes sense. Great interview.

[@RichardKingDoesOne]

Thank you 'The Way' - I appreciate that.

[@Tinyteacher1111]

Where is he located? It must be in Michigan, and I live here. Thank you!

[@shannonotoole6121]

This is the secret sauce to healing, and continuing a life full of vibrancy, safety and self-love. Thank you Dr. Schubiner for your leadership.

[@doingwhatiwant4189]

This should have a Billion views, not a rap video!

[@teresabolger2424]

Dr.Schubiner’s Wisdom,sincerity and kindness, touch me deeply.I got so much out of this podcast. Thank you❤ I live in Sweden and I’m interested in the origin of names, so I went to one of the websites I use, and typed in Schubiner. The meaning of that name came up as KIND! He is true to his name!

[@privateperson5769]

This guy is brilliant. He speaks my story for twenty years. TY for the video .

[@tominnc315]

In 2015 sept i had burning urination at 61. I went to 4 different drs. Every test psa urine blood digital rectal etc. brutal!! 5 months of horror. Diagnosed as prostatitusI then discovered by accident Schubiner s book : unlearn your pain. In 10 days 100% cured. Zero over! I was angry at my father who was 89 but an ass. An ass since the late 50s. Thankyou Dr Schubiner

[@RichardKingDoesOne]

What a brilliant story Tom. So many can learn from this wisdom.

[@browneyedgirlFL67]

@Tom In NC how did you start the work to your recovery?

[@tominnc315]

@@browneyedgirlFL67 great question. I went to 4 Drs. I took a million pills. Nothing. I read Schubiner s book. I saw myself. A people pleaser a goodist. Weak! I wanted to be liked. I did everything for others. NOT me! So Schubiner had me put my offender in a chair. My father!!! An ass. He beat me in the 60s. Hes a bully and worse. Hes 95!!! I screamed at him. For 5-7 days. I let it all out. I had RAGE. Anger. I screamed at him while driving my car. Imaginary of course but it worked!!!! Prostatitus gone 100% zero point zero. I had deep embedded anger and rage that had to come out. I had to stand up for myself. Its rooted in fear too. I was afraid of him. So…..make YOU no 1. One 1 one 1. 1!!!!! First

[@EsotericHighway]

You were pissed at him with burning rage. The mind body connection is so fascinating.

[@EsotericHighway]

@@tominnc315 glad you're doing better brother and figured it out.

[@magpiemags2059]

I've watched the first 7 minutes so far and this has changed my whole way of thinking. I have a number of pain conditions that have worsened the last few months or so. I was in an abusive and very violent relationship about 15 years ago, suffered many injuries and as a result left me with a lot of pain. Moving forward my life is great with a wonderful partner now. However last year we became full time carers for his elderly grandad, who was the best patient ever. But, his son (my partner's uncle) lives with him and was controlling and abusive and targeted me. This left me mentally and physically unwell again and to the point where we had to withdraw (we did arrange for paid carers to go in, we didn't just abandon grandad). I'm learning so much about how that triggered my previous relationship. Ironically I'm also a mental health nurse of 25 years too. I cannot wait to watch the rest of this. Thank you so much.

[@RichardKingDoesOne]

Thank you Magpie - I hope that you find the rest useful.

[@sundancesuccess]

I am so grateful to have found you both! I blew out two disks in my neck 20 years ago and have a 2" titanium plate now. I thought I was done with this given my Mom had 9 back surgeries and took to her bed for the last 5 years of her life - degenerative disc disease, arthritis, and bone spurs pushing against her spine. I was having a rough time emotionally in April and found myself in the ER at the Mayo - pain shooting into my head, left shoulder, and down to my scapula. CT scan revealed that my cervical spine looks like the equivalent of a gnarled arthritic hand. That did not happen overnight and I see how my emotions played into it. The experience helped me stop and focus on myself rather than the external events of the day, as well as the constant caregiving of others instead of me. I purchased your books, unlearn the pain and unlearn the anxiety so I can stop this craziness and the "procedures" I'm told I need. The epidurals and RFA have helped so I can do more Physio. I have to stop this in its tracks as now my thoracic spine CT revealed the same level of issues. I believe that all imbalances are unresolved trauma - from a cold to cancer, inflammation, and chronic pain. I've even produced events called Your Body ALWAYS Speaks Your Mind. It's one thing to know it and quite another to change up after 6 decades! I'm also quite enthralled with Dr. Gabor Mate, The Myth of Normal. I will never stop believing that these things are not a product of our mind and that the 18" between our hearts and heads needs constant care, cleansing, meditation, journaling, and love. We can do this! Again, thank you ever so much for your conversation and your work Dr. Howard! 🙏🏼💯🗝

[@Tinyteacher1111]

Wow! You could be talking about me and my son! I have been in pain for 20 years, and my son is now in the same boat as you with the cervical spine issues. He writhes in pain and iv feel helpless with a broken arm and having been on disability after I retired from teaching. May I ask where you began your search? It’s the middle if the night here, and I’m always researching our health issues, yet my ex, who has left my friends son here because he hasn’t gotten his house remediated from horrible mold, and this has obviously left me the caregiver with a broken arm and Lyme that is making me sick with fevers. I have a lifetime of rheumatic problems since I was a baby, and then 20 years of breast implants, mold toxicity, and operations due to the toxins destroying my organs. I’ve lost everyone and every bit if money I had because of this. Thank you!

[@Alem_Mehari]

“The more you are identified with your thinking, your likes and dislikes, judgments and interpretations, which is to say the less present you are as the watching consciousness, the stronger the emotional energy charge will be, whether you are aware of it or not. If you cannot feel your emotions, if you are cut off from them, you will eventually experience them on a purely physical level, as a physical problem or symptom." -Eckhart Tolle

[@hautecouture2228]

New age religion garbage

[@intuitivecoachtheresa]

The best interview with Dr. Schubiner I've heard yet! Thanks so much. This healing approach can help literally every health condition. Definitely not bullocks!

[@user-xs3tm2sz6r]

I had excruciating electric shock in my brain from Trigeminal Neuralgia for 2 to 3 months while looking for a job. The day I found a job, the next morning the electric shock was completely gone. I can't believe, I am not in control of these psychosomatic conditions. Perhaps prayer can control the narrative.

[@Historian212]

Overall great conversation. HOWEVER: “everyone” should *not* learn mindfulness meditation. In some cases, it’s absolutely contraindicated, and can cause harm. This has been studied and is well documented, so I’m surprised to hear this blanket statement. This is especially true for people with certain mental health issues, particularly for people with diagnosed PTSD. (Not “I feel like I have PTSD.” If you feel anxious but have no other symptoms of PTSD, see a person who specializes in PTSD to get evaluated. Often, that is not the same as PTSD.) Other forms of meditation - such as focusing on an image or a word - are better in those cases. Or using the idea of mindfulness as a way of focusing on the present, rather than in formal meditation. Or by doing tai chi or meditative walking. There are various methods. But mindfulness meditation as popularly taught can - and has - put some people into deep distress. Furthermore, working with someone is very important, which makes sense in the context of our brain’s wiring for living in groups. For example, those who have suffered real trauma don’t do as well with self-help. When he said “a caring person,” that relationship is often key, if you find a person you feel sympatico with. Forgiveness is heralded as a cure-all, but if you can’t get to forgiveness because of what was done to you, it’s ok. Sometimes, it’s more honoring to your experience to let it go, eventually, without forgiving. And that’s ok.

[@AndresArosemena]

Can you please explain how mindfulness meditation can make the issue worst in those cases?

[@AtypicalPaul]

I really like the nuance and middle ground he seems to take. This speaks so much to my recent thoughts around trauma.

[@wimkrol2233]

TMS (Sarno) is not a pain problem. TMS is a fear problem. Thank you!

[@RichardKingDoesOne]

Yes, fear at the root.

[@hew195050]

Oh yes, FEAR has been sometimes the only motivator in my life, bigger then life actually. So no wonder Fibromyalgia! That’s the great news! Now on to healing the fear which is the difficult part.

[@hew195050]

It's not difficult. Just do the work and it will disperse. I know because I had Fibro also.

[@jossjekraayvanger7131]

@@hew195050 may I ask.. What is "the work" for you?

[@ceciliadake6220]

@@hew195050 k h v66,g

[@Madina_CR]

What a beautiful and brilliant soul Howard is

[@tomsale5142]

He his I hope he lives Tom's 125

[@tomsale5142]

To

[@HombreSolar]

Thanks for this! I’ve been dealing with chronic pain in the right side of the body (liver, gut, stomach) for 8 years. And all my exams and doctors always told me that I was okay. During the last months, I was desesperate, I felt hopeless, I asked life for an answer, because I was contemplating commit suicide, but then, all this information appeared to me and I’ve been crying of happiness, because I feel understand and that there are methods to reprogram myself. I send much light and wisdom to anyone that is going through a similar process. Thanks for this, now I see that there’s life beyond the pain.

[@AtypicalPaul]

There is no separating the mind and body. It is the mindbody, and so it's hard to even say there is a connection as they are one in the same thing. This connection for me is why what is being presented here makes so much sense.

[@inspiringthroughhushtoroar1368]

I'd love to come on your podcast to validate Dr Schubiner's modality and other emotional pain that I healed from by educating myself. I'm in the UK. Thanks.

[@doingwhatiwant4189]

It’s a thought not a structural problem!

[@eileenlocke7877]

Thank u this is me I hv cronic pain it’s awful . Thank u willing to learn I’d do anything regards uk 🇬🇧

[@mares3841]

Thank you

[@AtypicalPaul]

Great conversation

[@Thehungrytravelers]

Dr. Schubiner is very interesting to listen to. great interview.

[@BeingHumanPodcast]

We're glad you liked it

[@samanthaclaire888]

This is so wonderful, thank you so much x

[@elizabethgomez8708]

I experienced pain on the legs but a relief in mind

[@tominnc315]

In 2015 this book cured my brutal 5 months of prostatitus- i had been to 3 drs 4 times. Every imaginable test. I read a blog where a guy said but this book. I did assuming it was about surgery or meds or diet etc. it isnt. I was cured 100% in 5 days!!!! I was better 30% into the book. The book was written about me. Thankyou dr Schubiner!!!!!

[@letsgobrandonpodcast]

Wow

[@tomsale5142]

Fear?

[@tominnc315]

@@tomsale5142 yes FEAR. Worry stress panic anxiety are all words for fear. The same emotion

[@tomsale5142]

@@tominnc315 yeah I e had so.much TMS in my life always one constant great it sunk down for you well and it went winderfull

[@drsandhyathumsikumar4479]

What a wonderful and enlightening conversation .much gratitude to both of you !

[@BeingHumanPodcast]

We're delighted you liked it.

[@jasjeet177]

Great podcast! Thank you Dr. Schubiner!

[@BeingHumanPodcast]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ziolove]

Thanks for this. Great conversation. I stumbled across Dr Sarno's Healing Back Pain several years ago. Life-changing.

[@jcszot]

Thank you for addressing the Covid/ fear topic. I believed that from the very beginning. So many people I’m sure fell into this trap. Of course the media didn’t help. Thank you for your work.🙏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Tinyteacher1111]

So did my son. He’s now paranoid and feels unsafe here. This is a nice home and city, but he screams at me that he feels unsafe and wants to be in a hospital. 5tines they’ve sent him home saying it’s anxiety!!!

[@AlbaLynxQueen]

It's not true. There are clear markers of inflammation, endothelial damage, brain hypo perfusion etc. in LC patients. Maybe some cases are nocebo, fear, anxiety cases. But Long Covid is a real condition. Only ignorant people and doctors are gaslighting the covid sufferers. ME/Cfs is also a real neuro-immune condition.

[@ramansamal]

Very Informative, Thank You. 👏

[@Angeleyes888]

Brilliant❤ thank u 🙏

[@susanswinny588]

My meditation experience with either emotional pain or physical pain has been helpful to me. Here's an account of my first severe physical pain experience as a meditator... I witness my pain, noting how strong or weak the sensation is, the texture of it, moment by moment...knowing the impermanence of sensations, of everything in life. I look for deep stillness within, using the breath in the belly, at the nose and upper lip and bodily sensations. Time slows down. Pain comes again. I witness my reaction to the pain as it arrives, knowing my negative reaction to it can only increase suffering. I tell myself to relax into it, let it go where it will, without my interference or judgement. Pain becomes more distant...it is waning. When I sense a new wave coming, I watch it in my mind as I surf atop the wave without falling into the wave. I don't know when the wave will run its course, but I work with it from above and my heart opens fully to whatever it brings in each moment. Hours go by...waves and waves. Finally, exhaustion sets in, but I am strong enough to strip off my sweaty clothes and put on a fresh nightgown, get a towel for my wet hair, and fall into slumber. Since my first experience, I've come to realize that meditation is not only about watching the breath or the pain or whatever arises. It's about witnessing the quality of my reaction to it. Relaxing my reactivity (judging whether something is good, bad, neutral) / preferences (urges to interfere by pushing it away, running away, or pulling it toward me) and dwell in equanimity (letting it go as it will, detaching from it). Having this experience... . Taught me a lot about judging and preferences. . Prepared me for other life challenges. It is a bit like making friends because it is my teacher. Meditation has the connotation: Calm abiding, becoming familiar.

[@chrishairston8867]

May I ask what style of meditation you practice? You sound like you are where I want to be.

[@susanswinny588]

@@chrishairston8867 Hi Chris I do Shamatha and Vipassana as taught by B Alan Wallace, Tonglen as taught by Reggie Ray. Also following Gelong Thubten, Nick Keomahavong et al. Started with Zazen in 1971. None of these were physical pain specific. But stillness was always priority. Then Tonglen, which is a type of vipassana. Some Tibetan meditation involves visualizations.

[@bettinadelsesto9088]

Thinking of you today ,young Mary..sending check for consult… go easy on working on Rest days …

[@cathyjennings5580]

Thanks SO MUCH!!! Finally U got it . Amazingly SO SIMPLE. & SELF-CONTROL is involved . G.A.D. pain. People are NEGLECTED .GIVEN NO ATTENTION. IS PAINFUL.

[@lisadawnordellable]

Heck, yeah, I have hope!! Y'all are doing amazing work! Thank God for you two! Thank-you for this gentle, balanced interview. It contributes greatly to my doctoral work 🙏💙

[@lenwelch2195]

This is key to understanding pain. Sometimes it’s a signal that your trying to squeeze a view of reality , a wish into a reality that isn’t there such as being in an unhealthy relationship or working for an abusive boss. Expecting a friend to be a good friend when they can’t be, expectations that you’d have from your family members, believing your a better person than how you yourself behave with the ones you love . This is perhaps the center from which most pain originates - when we let ourselves down , not living up to the standards that we believe in . . It’s normal to have bulging disc , degenerative disc disease, absolutely true. Fear alarms the pain centers in brain. How much is real and how much is created. That’s the trick. Treat people well and incidence of pain decreases. Stress has limits. Stomach aches before school is the brain saying your in danger. What’s interesting is how much is imagined and how much is coming from the work bosses. Sometimes it’s not a good fit for some undetermined reason. Important thing is if it’s not a fit that’s all we need to know. The brain is turning it on and it’s real because the brain doesn’t feel safe. Pain is a protecter . The body always knows , often the more intelligent we can reason ourself to put up with things but the brain is watching . Smoke alarm is loud if there’s a lot of smoke or very little. The alarm is loud either way. There doesn’t have to be a structural problem for pain to be present. Mind body connection.

[@BRAINWHISPERER]

Woot woot! LOVE IT when what I learned to do with. Y massage clients...is explained so well!!!

[@hew195050]

I'm assuming same for all "illnesses" The mind is so powerful. Use it for yourself or against. It's your choice.

[@sattwa2]

I wonder how this knowledge applies to different symptoms associated with a disease such as Lyme? It can be difficult in some cases to get a solid diagnosis. I have a friend who was finally diagnosed with Lyme-and then eventually-MS. After years of suffering he finally did legal assisted suicide. He had suffered a huge loss in a skiing accident of both his father and brother a few years before. I often quietly wondered if his diagnosis was not rooted in the unprocessed grief of his losses. Also, when someone is accident prone? Sometimes there are correlations between the time of an accident and emotional distress.

[@fernandajanicas5776]

I believe that emotional pain and all the things that happened in my life since I was small are part of the reason I suffer with chronic pain for over 30 years, I never deal well with emotional pain, my physical body is in terrible pain every second of my life, it’s awful

[@tomsale5142]

What have they diagnosed you with

[@fernandajanicas5776]

@@tomsale5142 fibromyalgia over 30 years ago, lately my spine if full of arthritis, ostheopenia, about a 8 months ago I had H pylori and it’s been hell since the treatment I did in May, pain from fibromyalgia it’s awful.

[@tomsale5142]

@@fernandajanicas5776 yeah where is your pain all over pylori infection where dies it attack been tested they say I don't have the gene.whete is your worst pain mines shoulders armpits though I've had pelvic pain 25;years since a fall any luck TMS therapy

[@fernandajanicas5776]

@@tomsale5142 worst pain with fibromyalgia hips, neck and shoulders, fibromyalgia has to many symptoms it’s very hard to manage, I can’t take pain medication because the H pylori cause gastritis in my stomach. Good luck to you

[@tomsale5142]

@@fernandajanicas5776 i dont take it either dies to my h damage and doesn't work what are your symptoms of pylori 40 percent have it don't no they have it my worst place now shoulders armpit constant then intermittent email n heals shin and pelvic pain 25 years any luck with TMS ? Tryed ldn ?

[@Raquel-op6xo]

No doubt when there is no substantial evidence of malfunction that fear is at the root.

[@the1972bulldog]

Being a Single stay at Home Dad with 2 kids still at Home, after nearly 15 years of Chronic Lower back pain leading to Bursitis in my hip and Sciatica aswell, going from a Do anything, anywhere, anytime kinda guy. The Frustration of having 4 boys and 2 Grandsons that I cant do much with, the depression and anxiety, the convulsions in my sleep and Restless legs, the amount of meds I've had, the surgeries, cages, Stimulator, meditations, physio, psych, all at a Loss. Even 2 years running 12 months to the day of the last Ketamine infusion therapy program, I'm no better off than I was in the beginning. If anything due to getting older, probably worse.I wouldn't wish this on anyone 😞Definitely at The I'll Try Anything stage instead of being accused of being a drug addict due to what's going on in the U.S and I'm in Australia 🇦🇺 There's not much at all that I don't understand after nearly 15 years but, still, At a Loss for answers unfortunately

[@farrokhrafati1552]

How to stop hand tremors naturally please How to stop headaches

[@sweetpickle6825]

Thank you for this interview. Do you need to identify the source of the problem/trauma in order to heal from the pain? What if you can't pin point it? Can you still benefit from this type of healing?

[@DylanRobert1]

This TMS/MBD rabbit hole feels like potentially the most interesting/valuable thing I’ve ever discovered

[@klaraborbas6908]

I was diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy. All the test results came back negative, no cause found. Why do the nerves get damaged? Can it be that emotional trauma is the cause? Thanks for your input

[@AtypicalPaul]

I've been developing my own therapy modality for people with trauma/ idiopathic pain, anxiety and depression. Collaborative play therapy is what I'd call it. I break it down into 2 parts pause and play incorporating mindfulness meditation and collaborative play.

[@knktoys1313]

What about pelvic pain that could be learned from the initial uti I also hadUterine cancer and hysterectomy and that’s pretty much what all the pain started. I keep having these flares but I told it’s either pelvic floor dysfunction or my car Lexus in my Sacrum

[@NE-pz4ku]

As Sarno pointed out though high percentage of people with H Pylori without ulcers. Still TMS. Same with EBV titers.

[@letsgobrandonpodcast]

What do you mean? H pylori ruined my life 5 years ago

[@warriorgooseseller]

I’m currently following the process laid out by Alan Gordon. But on the big things is why Inflammatory foods make the sensations worse. All bloodwork is normal. I find it interesting, that he’s basically saying this is a conditioned response. I wonder how would you tackle that aspect.

[@RichardKingDoesOne]

I think you've also got to look at things in the round: physical, emotional, mental, spiritual. Perhaps consult your intuition, maybe meditate on 'what could be causing this?' or if nothing from this, perhaps 'what could help me find the cause of this?'

[@Christine_Lawson]

We say " load of bolloc*s mate" in England 😂❤ Thanks for changing my life

[@charlottenrgaard7942]

I have debilitating neuropathy and many things could be the cause.. How do I go about fixing it if it is psychological response?

[@trustitcoaching]

How can the medical world buy into this? They have spent years and thousands of dollars learning others ways. It appears more doctors are being humble and open about other beautiful options.

[@cathyjennings5580]

Garden variety ailments. Attention experiences. Caregivers heal lonely people. Smiles heal anxieties. Cheerful TREATMENT.. LEARN GOOD TREATMENT HEALS HURTS.

[@NE-pz4ku]

Blind spot = $ billion pain management industry

[@Lib-Tard]

True, there is $ to be made, but they do seem to be freely sharing on YT and books ( free at library), much info that is "gold" to many!

[@charlessoukup1111]

How about Addiction help for blockheads??

[@rosepink2773]

As mom of kids ; I have pain this 2 years from Doctor to doctor even I did spinal surgery with no results , and I’m still with pain and pressure around my pelvic , more deep pressure and pain in coccyx and tailbone area and in rectum and anus , buttocks; with hernia disc with low back pain and pressure in sacrum pain, and imbalance of muscles when sitting and high tension in my head …. All these symptoms pain stoped me to come back to work and to get job and I become with no income …. And I hope one of Doctor for TMS pain free body helps me for free because of my bad financial situation please!! I live in Illinois 😢🙏🏻

[@sbrsportsbook4358]

read the book , the way out. Its only 10 bucks , even the audioboook

[@neighbor9672]

Send Dr Schubiner an email. Visit his website

[@rosepink2773]

@@neighbor9672 I will, Thank you so much 🙏🏻

[@sbrsportsbook4358]

@@neighbor9672 I did. He never responded. I'm suicidal too .....

[@NE-pz4ku]

Trying to apply these principles to long Covid fatigue and anosmia. I believed it better before I succumbed to it though. Physician heal thyself I guess.

[@AtypicalPaul]

I really love art therapy

[@ajourneywithm.e.reflection8880]

Is degenerative disc disease a structural problem? My dr says that is the pain....but I also have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome

[@johnblefko6637]

Degenerative disc disease is seen is 50% of people in their 30's, who have no pain at all. It's seen in 70% of people in their 50's and 90% of people in their 70's. So it's quite likely that your DDD is NOT a structural problem, buy an MBS issue.

[@haleykaralevicz3027]

So I've not had any accident with my wrist but having carpal tunnel syndrome for months. Could this just be tms ?

[@tomsale5142]

Yes Dr schubiner says proper carpel tunnel only effects 3 fingers.and if you have any Mindbody before it will be tms

[@hagemanfamily]

What about auto immune disease , poly myalgia rheumatics. Very painful!

[@naomiklahn4623]

DrJohnSarno included this in his work...

[@naomiklahn4623]

Dr Sarno talked about TMS 'controlling' symptoms other than pain - acne, eczema etc does Dr Shubiner believe this too?

[@christinehorne5165]

Yes

[@rosepink2773]

As mom of kids ; I have pain this 2 years from Doctor to doctor even I did spinal surgery with no results , and I’m still with pain and pressure around my pelvic , tailbone, rectum and anus , buttocks; with hernia disc and imbalance of muscles when sitting and high tension in my head …. All these symptoms pain stoped me to come back to work and to get job and I become with no income …. And I hope one of Doctor for TMS pain free body helps me for free because of my bad financial situation please!! I live in Illinois 😢🙏🏻

[@tomsale5142]

Advice to meditate had this 25 years but walk everyday so hard sleep go again could take couple years to help but help will talk to brain TMS is subconscious anxiety

[@rosepink2773]

@@tomsale5142 Ok, I will and I appreciate your help and your message, thank you 🙏🏻

[@tomsale5142]

Any help let me no the fear terrible thing it brings main thing I've found don't rush it you will get there.18 months in now for me

[@rosepink2773]

@@tomsale5142 ok I will, thank you so much 🙏🏻, ; I just got the Dr. Sarno book from library and I will read it !

[@akovacs1980]

@@rosepink2773 How are you doing with your TMS work? Are you healed?

[@franselinger9150]

Can this work for muscle fatigue too, not just pain?

[@feliciabarnwell4129]

Yes it can

[@marcusaurelius2242]

What do you do about CRPS? Or small fiber neuropathy?

[@RichardKingDoesOne]

Not a lot I'll be honest.

[@marcusaurelius2242]

​@@RichardKingDoesOne Interesting. CRPS is a central nervous system issue, caused by trauma, and is usually accompanied by Central Sensitization. Is this going to be effective for treating this issue? I listen to Dan Ratner, Rita Labarebera etc., making claims they have become pain free from these disorders by using TMS/Mind Body techniques.

[@tomsale5142]

Yes Dr dchubiner says it's tms so don't no why he said that,....

[@marcusaurelius2242]

@@tomsale5142 What do you mean?

[@tomsale5142]

@@marcusaurelius2242 the chap who hosted it said in reply to you not much to be honest

[@cathyjennings5580]

Adults hate being bullied. Demands. Etc. Worrying about Money for expenses. ALSO. 😪hopeless mystery pains.. equals DISABILITEIS.

[@cathyjennings5580]

Danger, desperation is RISKY, Regretful . Vs. Being Sensible SAFE, Protection, Relief. Daily. Simple discerning. Thinking. Problem solving Thinking as a human . 🤔 😃😄

[@stoner2055]

What If we have tissues that have been Injured but it’s been YEARS ? Wouldn’t the tissue have HEALED? If not …. How do you heal TISSUES?

[@naomiklahn4623]

Have you tried a #carnivore diet? Lots of 'fatty' meat and eggs. Check out DrAnthonyChaffee or DrShawnBaker...

[@stoner2055]

@@naomiklahn4623 I’ve actually watched some of his videos , I’ve been thinking of doing it ! Just hard to afford all meat diet in this crazy economy, I appreciate you though for the heads up ! Thank you 🙏

[@naomiklahn4623]

@@stoner2055 if you're just eating meat, it's not as exxy as you might think. Do you have a chest freezer? We buy a side of beef every 8 or so weeks, for two of us and the dog. Otherwise, go for cheap cuts (mince, chuck steak etc) slow-cooking cheaper cuts gives you meat broth as well - great for tissues. Butchers will often give away the fat that people don't want- great salted and cooked in an air fryer! There's ways around the price tag. 😊 Enjoy!

[@savamorozov6447]

What’s the title of the book ?

[@BeingHumanPodcast]

Unlearn Your Pain

[@Tinyteacher1111]

Any thoughts on Long Covid? My grown son has lived here for over 2 years because he has mold toxicity, severe Lyme coinfections, forward head posture, and then long covid “lit up” his symptoms a full YEAR ago that left him basically bed and housebound with severe head pressure, stomach issues that feel like his intestines are filled with glass, he’s constipated, then black stools come out, he aches from head to toe and his joints ache. He is being treated by the doctors around this Rochester/Troy/Birmingham area who are mold and Lyme literate, and are world renown, but he continues to suffer: hence, his father(who still has not remediated his house) and I have no lives. He is extremely irritable, cries out for me to come and help him, and I feel useless with my own disabilities, a broken shoulder, and trying to take care iof the house I had tested for mold, and it’s clean. He feels unsafe in Richester and starts to scream that it’s my fault for moving from a moldy condo that was killing me, to a place closer to my kids. He screams in pain and I am useless in my efforts to help him. He searches the internet for places to treat him inpatient, but he has Medicaid, which leaves his choices extremely limited. I have my own chronic pain that I can explain another time which began in childhood and subsided, but started up 20 years ago. However, I’ve lost everyone in my life because of my illnesses and his, leaving me a nervous wreck from the criticism intake from his rages. We need help!

[@naomiklahn4623]

Hope you found help with Dr Schubiner. It's difficult for 'goodists' and empaths to think of themselves first. However, that's what you need to do. Can you get this doctor's book or Dr Sarno's audio books?

[@cathyjennings5580]

Do something healthy happy activities before Slumber time. 😃😄

[@troutfisher7182]

Neanderthals lived in cooperative groups too

[@commentpoint3371]

This idea disturbs me. I am very anti cults which encourage the idea that if you have not, or cannot overcome your pain, condition or illness, it is YOUR fault. Likewise, the idea you have triggered some abuse from childhood, is not acceptable to me. There are situations where such thinking will ABSOLUTELY not work. Especially in chronic structural pain. Spiritually, pain draws people down into a stuck place, they have no ability to imagine it away. Excruciating pain blocks out all thought. What we need is better chronic pain treatment through medications that do not harm the gut or addict people. Unless you have been anesthetized, we have not found a reliable solution to chronic structural pain. Respectfully, in my opinion. Thank you for the video.

[@Moonless6491]

The idea isn't to place blame on yourself. it's not your fault for having the pain, it's like an organ dysfunction but for the brain and body together forming new pathways of sensation that shouldn't be there. And it just so happens that we can manage stress and thoughts just as someone with food allergies can manage their diet

[@Gpacharlie]

It can very often be a both-and kind of thing. Pain meds can be very helpful, and truly a malpractice when taken away, along with good talk therapy, proper physical exercises, enjoyable activities, good sleep, etc.. But there is much anecdotal evidence that there is a hyper-sensitivity of the central nervous system happening. Ketamine infusions for example seem to work in some as a type of reset. Stories of peoples pain fully resolving when they have an “ah ha” moment are common. But you are correct that medication options for chronic pain are very limited and actual success in solving central pain through mindfulness therapies is still more modestly anecdotal than common.

[@Lib-Tard]

I think it is a matter of empowerment, not self-blame. If I am causing my pain, I can heal it. Peace!

[@christinehorne5165]

Short summary might help you frame it better. This is and has been studied, scientific. kzbin.info/aero/PLsJVYZbo6uWrKc57MDUL1vGciEGnPYrV9&si=8JHFFpoE8LpUNAPR

[@saviourjc]

We didn't evolve we were created by God in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth including man

[@marcusaurelius2242]

What is your point?

[@hew195050]

@@marcusaurelius2242 I was JUST going to ask the same question. hahaha

[@troutfisher7182]

Evolution is a fact, insects and bacteria are a great examples of evolution in real time. They both evolve very quickly to be immune to each new pesticide or antibiotic exposure. Its why there are so many antibiotic resistant bacteria strains. On a larger scale African elephants are evolving. Many are tuskless, they never grow tusks. They've evolved in a short period of time to be not killed by poachers. Evolution is real, god is a fantasy

[@ladymuck2]

Or aliens

[@naomiklahn4623]

🤦‍♀️

[@MrChronos1971]

shhhh if you tell people it's silly it won't work..

[@cathyjennings5580]

Brain fog. . Everyone gets upset.

[@TheRm65]

Can't stand the interviewer. Not going to watch.

[@L0ND0NMAN]

🤣😂

[@redheadedfreckles2]

Ridiculous

[@christinagreaves7932]

You missed a lot of good info

[@BeingHumanPodcast]

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[@adrenalinadadon2339]

Thank you

[@RichardKingDoesOne]

I'm glad you enjoyed it Adrenalina.