1994 Alfa Romeo 164 LS | Retro Review

[@maciejszumny6919]

This is one of the most beautifully styled sedan ever.

[@McBeamer94]

The Busso engine could easily be displayed in a museum!! These intake runners were a piece of art by themselves!!

[@doctorzaius4084]

I'm so happy Alfa Romeo is back in the US. Never leave us again, Alfa!!!

[@frankdenardo8684]

doctor zaius oh Romeo whereth thou Romeo.

[@mck135]

😬

[@alphatrion100]

Fiat and alfa have a habit of pulling out the us

[@Runeakb]

Was in the US recently and I was surprised by how frequently I saw an Alfa Romeo.

[@rahimi4762]

They need to bring in more models and a larger sedan and SUV

[@vaioskaliakoudas6388]

*That teeny tiny backlight digital touchscreen in the headunit is killin' me!!!! So optimistic!!!!*

[@DrewLSsix]

Vaios Kaliakoudas. It actually seems to make some sense, you still get buttons and the touch feature relates exactly to what you are seeing. A handy way to increase the number of controls without further cluttering the dash and without burying simple controls in obscure menus.

[@tonyvargas368]

I remember seeing this car in a showroom years ago and just loved it. Its design still holds up.

[@BeesonsCars]

That touchscreen radio made me rewind a second. That’s pretty cool for an early 90’s car, very advanced.

[@marvinmarshall8884]

Tyler Beeson 1994 is considered the mid nineties actually

[@lexburen5932]

that has nothing to do with that it was advanced at that time, not a lot of cars had that in that time period

[@davidfos84]

And these cars came out in 1988.

[@rahimi4762]

Check out Buick Rivera of same ilk

[@Mawerik024]

The 164... The more it ages, the more look so timeless. I love it. 80s wedgy with 90s smooth angles. Same principle of the 8series bmw or the First C Class. I think these lines look so elegant.

[@ArmySigs]

The crazy interior is even better!

[@timhancock6626]

I havn't seen anybody being so rough with a shifter since watching my mother in law driving. I think she was taught on a Sherman tank. My three 164s were pretty reliable and lovely cars. Not perfect by any means, but I remember them with great fondness. Looking back the overall quality was pretty good, with just a few niggles. I had twoTwin Sparks and a 24valve V6 Super. ( LS equivalent in US) The handling of the four cylinder Twin Sparks is vastly superior as they are so much lighter at the front, the engines are really robust and sound good and they are not slow either, but it's hard not to be seduced by the V6. I just had to have one in the end. Time is treating the 164 better. It deserves it.

[@tettehpecku5939]

OMG! That was exactly how I felt when I watched the video! It looked like the guy was trying to break the doggone gear lever! (I was actually getting upset watching him manhandle the poor thing!🤣)

[@Jerrypintoswe]

Saab 9000, Fiat Croma, Lancia Thema and Alfa Romeo 164 were all built on the same chassi. Saab got the turbo, Alfa had the V6 and the Thema had the Ferrari V8

[@kirbyswarp]

Jerrypintoswe and I want one of each. Already have the 9000 aero

[@nessuno5403]

Ignorant summary :) and the Thema had a 4L, V6 and V8 engines. And you missed Croma as noted above too... nice edit after being corrected :)

[@alfistalucas7419]

Alfa 24valve 232ps in 1991 in 3.0 l. heyah.

[@kdubbchrispbacon8744]

Jerrypintoswe and the croma got the nothing

[@snelmau5]

They were built on the same chassi, but that was about it. When they crashed tested the chassi the Lancia engineers described the results as "excellent" while the Swedish SAAB engineers described it as "not good at all". Even if the Alfa and the Lancia might have been more charismatic engines, the SAAB 9000 outclassed them both in overall build quality.

[@jaredkennedy2909]

I like my 164. It surprises a lot of the Hondas and Nissans around here, is comfortable for long drives, and gets pretty good mileage. It actually gets better mileage than a four cylinder Altima, and doesn't suck your soul out in the process. Mine also has turned over 250k, so they can be reliable. The thing with the power is that it's effortless. It doesn't feel strained to do high speeds, at the rev limiter it's still pulling hard and smooth, and the wide gear spread let's the engine show off that wide powerband. I really dislike front wheel drive, but for three years this has been my daily driver and one of the best cars I've owned.

[@fernandorocha-dx1wv]

Alfa 164 is best car, my favorite

[@thetechlibrarian]

Look at those intake runners!

[@thetechlibrarian]

Donald Trump is Affirmative Action for the GOP I know a true work of art! Like a musical instrument.

[@nessuno5403]

Intake runners? They are mirrors ;)

[@thetechlibrarian]

Donald Trump is Affirmative Action for the GOP yeah they definitely look nice on the SHO

[@aHumanCookiee]

nah, the busso looks nicer than that!

[@nessuno5403]

Totally agree Mr Cookie!

[@SP84Fanatic]

I remember the first Alfa Romeo I saw-in the early 2000s, my cousin owned a black 164 with yellow accents, and I was attracted to it at first sight. I have remained passionate about Alfa since.

[@frazzleface753]

This is Motorweek. We love every car we drive!

[@cress7572]

Had a black '91 164L a while ago, great car. Had a ton of high end options, including all the seats being electric and heated!

[@cikairlines3752]

Ha mantenuto sempre la sua linea e potere... Un bisonte anni 80 e 90...la vera ammiraglia Alfa Romeo. Felice di possedere la 2.0 V6 TB.

[@ArmySigs]

230hp from 3 litres NA was pretty impressive for the day. The interiors are also amazing, lots to go wrong over time though.

[@accalarentia4029]

ALFA ROMEO CUORE SPORTIVO!!!!!

[@flashindapan7965]

jesus those intake runners are beautiful.

[@ys_a1659]

02:37 John Davies complaining about to numerous gages and clusters, holy moly!

[@klwthe3rd]

The 1994's and 95's of the 164s were the best of the bred. I love all Alfas but with the additional revisions to the alloyed wheels for the LS and the upgraded dual cam set up for the V6, these last two years are the most desirable by collectors.

[@alfamonk]

Made them up to '97.

[@klwthe3rd]

Not in the United States! 1995 was the last year of any Alfa in the US!

[@cra_55]

Ｍ Ａ Ｍ Ａ Ｍ Ｉ Ａ

[@accalarentia4029]

CRA_55 mamma mia! 😁

[@zacharyk7225]

I love this comment

[@dankatz5224]

My god I'm fighting the urge to buy one of these...

[@theturtle2121]

The rear taillights from a distance looks similar to a Subaru SVX ...

[@ajkf1969]

That's the SVX Italian styling showing... Both cars were designed in Turin, the 164 by Pininfarina and the SVX by Giugiaro.

[@nwezetx1]

Yes, this in 1983 and SVX in 1988.

[@man_on_wheelz]

Goddamn! 0-60 in 6.9 seconds in 1994? That is hella quick for sedan!

[@thewiseguy3529]

Nissan Maxima had the same numbers. There were lots of nice cars back then, you had to be there.

[@man_on_wheelz]

@@thewiseguy3529 I was there, but I was only 5 and nobody in my family were car enthusiasts. And all other cars from this era I've had a chance to properly experience have been slow.

[@thewiseguy3529]

@@man_on_wheelz 👍🏼

[@84impalaguy]

Another great video as always! Is there any way you could post a review of an Oldsmobile Firenza? My dad's parents had 2 when I was young, a 1985 Firenza woody wagon with a 2.8 V6 and an 87' coupe with a four cylinder. I haven't seen one in years. Ironically, I did see a late 80's Cadillac Cimarron parked outside a drugstore yesterday...

[@JakeRoot]

As someone born in 1995, this is the only pre-FCA Alfa that I see with any regularity. I live in the Seattle area.

[@Angell-Angell]

2:39 I wonder why they missed the early touchscreen of the radio..that's a nice feature to have on your Romeo! specially because of the era 90s ..

[@carldeithloff9412]

I miss my Saab as well. I had an 02 9-3, 4 door. 5 speed manual in laser red.

[@davidebonannini640]

I remember at the time it came out it looked so futuristic... Now it makes me smile.

[@castironbandito]

I love pretty much anything Alfa Romeo has made and this car is no exception. The Alfa Romeo 164 may be "Unreliable", but it has excellent driving dynamics and is one of the cars that every petrolhead or gearhead should own. I think just like any car, Alfa Romeos can be reliable as if you take good care of them. Would buy this car or the Toyota Camry?. Only a true auto enthusiast can answer that question and that answer would most definitely be the Alfa. Nothing beats the driving experience of an Alfa Romeo.

[@acca5512]

I always liked these cars. Wish i could find one of these in good condition

[@lucasworktv]

Great car! Beautiful design and comfy interior 🇮🇹🔥😎

[@Microjoey02]

Touch screen in 94?!😂

[@jamesp504]

Microjoey02 Buick had one in 1987... A legit touch screen, like full screen touch screen. Alfa was nowhere near what GM was doing, my friend 😂

[@yungblade7]

​@@jamesp504 calm down

[@6ec6YRFPTcC]

A guy in my neighborhood still drives one daily

[@alexander1485]

Was he talking fast in this video?

[@vinnybruce2874]

I didn't know that the 1997 Toyota Camry taillights look the same as the one on the Alfa Romeo back in 94

[@nwezetx1]

Toyota designed that Camry in 1993, so they definitely had a brand new JP-spec 164 in the studio.

[@thewiseguy3529]

And it also looks like a Subaru SVX

[@ianclaudio777]

I miss Alfa Romeo im my country, Brazil. Because Fiat group leave the mark and now sell the Jeeps, but I hope Alfa come back one day.

[@82_KID]

I love this car. ❤

[@Friedchicken80]

These things were rare to see even in europe.

[@bladieblaat23]

Only 90 of these beauties still drive around in the Netherlands

[@danbernstein4694]

I almost bought one of these wonderful to drive but the reliability. .....

[@valentinog1670]

This car has the legendary busso engine.

[@bladieblaat23]

592000km on mine, 1M is the goal

[@gonzagnr2]

can you tell me some of the repairs done during that span?? i see your car has been very reliable.

[@bladieblaat23]

@@gonzagnr2 3 years ago at 500.000km oil consumption went through the roof so I had the engine revised. Other than that no extreme thing. I make sure it's protected very well against oxidation. Still driving it daily and enjoying every km in it!

[@Jonathan-dq8hb]

What's the recommended replacement mileage for the cam belts ?

[@joshcantrell4720]

That is one good looking v6

[@soldbycebic]

Beatiful alfa romeo always one of the best my giulia does it in 4.7 seconds

[@kevinwoodard6571]

I thought Alfa Romeo left North America in 1991. That was when Peugeot and Sterling left our side of the world. I don't recall seeing a new Alfa Romeo in 1992 or later.

[@Jonathan-dq8hb]

We're these sold at Chrysler dealers ?

[@ДенисУсков-д8ш]

Good stile by Alfa.

[@thewiseguy3529]

Wanted one so bad!!!!!!

[@typ930]

nice to see it with a stick shift!

[@klwthe3rd]

typ930 yes very few of the LS's were ordered that way. 96% had the optional automatic. The 5 speeds were plentiful in the Quadrifoglio.

[@alexandredegreef7015]

typ930 likes stick (^^ joking ;-D ;-D ;-D)

[@typ930]

in a car...not up the ass like you do!

[@BIGGIEDEVIL]

3 year 36 000 miles warranty? Cuz they knew it would brake down just after that

[@CFG39]

I cannot believe they were trying to charge $35K for a front wheel drive car based on a shared platform with SAAB. That $35K price is equivalent to a $62,000 car in today’s money. That suddenly makes it seem like a really bad deal considering a new Giulia starts in the high $30s today and it’s a proper RWD sport sedan.

[@doabarrellroll69]

This wasn't platform shared with GM, it was Fiat, if you didn't know. It shared it's platform with the Lancia Thema (which could be had with a V8 and the same turbo I4 from the Delta Integrale), the Fiat Chroma and Saab 9000, Saab at the time also wasn't owned by GM yet

[@CFG39]

@@doabarrellroll69 I’m aware of the Thema V8 which was a rarity. Who wants a front wheel drive car with a V8? It was a terrible deal back then and even more apparent today.

[@alfamonk]

Drive one, the fwd is never an issue unless you’re into burnouts. Saves weight from propshaft, very well balanced car. If you really missed it get a Q4

[@CFG39]

@@alfamonkFWD is never an issue? ALFAs are supposed to be driver’s cars. FWD on anything other than a hot hatch or cheap sports sedan/coupe (civic si, for example) is unacceptable. Lol.

[@alfamonk]

@@CFG39 like I said it's not an issue. had a 24v Cloverleaf, polybushed with Eagle F1s and on public roads it never lost grip, torque-steer not an issue on post '94 cars either. You can say it's unacceptable, but that's meaningless unless you've had one. LOL

[@kippaseo8027]

I think he misspoke at the beginning of this video I think he meant to say it wasn't long ago you'd see a lot of Italian sports cars on the side of the road in the US. Usually with the hood up and the emergency flashers on. LOL glad to see how history certainly isn't repeating itself right? Consumer Reports Alfa Romeo giulia return to the dealership for time literally four different times before they even were able to put it in there tests but at least we can still count on are Fiats right? Fix it again Tony! Fiat's and Chryslers no longer put a spare tire in the trunk but rather they put a spare transmission since you're more likely going to need that before you even get a chance for your first flat.

[@italiacars]

Yes,because this is Alfa Romeo.

[@vinnybruce2874]

I didn't know they still made a quadrifoglio model back in the early 90's

[@aHumanCookiee]

the quadrifoglio logo has been a part of Alfa Romeos history for nearly a century

[@alfamonk]

carried on until 1997

[@JamesGadbury]

Is that also known as the Cloverleaf?

[@alfamonk]

@@JamesGadbury yep, called that in the UK. Had a Cloverleaf 24v from '94 - amazing car

[@155andRising]

Interesting fact , on the 164 parts microfiche there were optional parts specifically for the Italian mafia such a bulletproof windows

[@SulikTrucker95]

those climate buttons are invisible at night drive, you can't see them properly((

[@Vanguardkl]

Does the guy really need to swing the gear stick like that

[@n--r--s--7___9___6--bs]

Cool👍

[@MrCarGuy]

One of the last true Alfas before the FWD plague.

[@bibox9487]

MrCarGuy20 Even 164 is a FWD

[@MrAndreCoutinho]

don't be fooled, it's a fiat underneath.

[@bibox9487]

Andre Coutinho the V6 engine is alfa romeo Busso type

[@billybellend1155]

Andre Coutinho Nope this car was developed before Fiat purchased Alfa. It’s co developed with SAAB.

[@bibox9487]

Gavin Sharp saab 9000, Alfa 164, lancia thema & fiat croma have the same chassis

[@JDMHaze]

front looks like the 88-93 Pontiac lemans

[@tymar1985]

😍

[@Salman-sc8gr]

A four door Ferrari!

[@ltippers7029]

you lost me at front wheel drive LOL

[@raserx63]

Wow .. about 60k in 2018 dollars

[@leestewart3690]

91-95 Ford Taurus SHO wasn’t the only ugly car that was zippy and had a cool engine☝️

[@JaymeEduardo]

An 88 Nissan 4ws does 7 secs to 0-60

[@alfamonk]

Yep but 230hp Quadrofoglio was quicker with 230hp, about 6.5 seconds

[@grantmills4184]

Hear me out, the Italian SHO

[@doabarrellroll69]

Nah, the SHO would have been the 164 Quadrifoglio which I'm not sure if the US got

[@mhmrules]

Quadri-wut?

[@nakoma5]

Nearly extinct in North America sadly.

[@georgecollins2412]

It's 1-6-4 not one sixty four

[@Trance88]

Not exactly the most up to date exterior styling for '94. Pretty conservative, late 80's boxyness similar to volvos at the time. Pretty quick car, though!

[@zeqiox2883]

girl: "can i touch it?" "yes, but be gentle." girl: 1:28

[@tylercouture216]

Looks like a Infinity

[@alfamonk]

Lasic

[@alexander1485]

Mr. T infiniti ya mean

[@tylercouture216]

alexander1485 yea but im not editing it

[@mjallen1308]

Quadrifoglio...

[@COYGunners]

Europeans don’t drink anything at all while driving? I’m impressed by the absolute lack of cup holders in euro spec cars.

[@alfamonk]

In an Alfa you’re too busy driving

[@man_on_wheelz]

Butt ugly car but man that thing was very well equipped for a 1994 sedan! I've never seen one on the road so I guess it's out of the question to find one for use today.

[@Salman-sc8gr]

Silly eyes! Everyone else likes the Pininfarina elegance.

[@man_on_wheelz]

@@Salman-sc8gr I've come to realize over the years that I am not a huge fan of most of Pininfarina designs. Got a few gems in there, but a lot of them are not my taste.

[@rosendodominguez942]

WAT AM AGLY. WORLAS JANK. .I DON'T LIKAM.THEY LOOK SO STUPAT .

[@littledeel]

Jesus what a terrible time in our worlds history of television.

[@Cyba_IT]

Worlds? I think you mean American

[@robsrandomness7824]

From new to the junkyard in 6 years.

[@alfamonk]

stick to your camry

[@dzemjsudin4950]

that is true...only diesel version lasted.

[@Leo-ok5qi]

The front facia is ugly

[@joshuac4772]

Ugly car, but that engine is lovely, even if it's turned the wrong way

[@Salman-sc8gr]

Get your eyes checked. The whole world admires the Pininfarina design.

[@joshuac4772]

20/20 vision it's ugly