1996-98 4V COBRA MODS

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Richard Holdener

Richard Holdener

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@UcantBeSerious03
@UcantBeSerious03 4 жыл бұрын
what a trip down memory lane. My ex boss bought his wife a Mark 8 in 1996. I'll never forget the sound that engine makes when floored.
@keithwiebe1787
@keithwiebe1787 4 жыл бұрын
Sitting in one right now. 281k miles.
@xmo552
@xmo552 4 жыл бұрын
@Daver G That reminds me of the song: what was i thinking by Dierks Bentley. I have a 93 and 96 Mark VIII. They're all stock and they run goooooood and still give me 30-35 MPG. Can't complain.
@mrelectron6220
@mrelectron6220 4 жыл бұрын
@Daver G No not because he was riding around in the Mark 8 with the bosses wife it because he was riding the bosses wife.
@kimmorrison9169
@kimmorrison9169 4 жыл бұрын
would be curious to see what good head porting and valve work would do vs stock heads. I imagine there is quite a bit of hidden hp’s there
@jamestupper5599
@jamestupper5599 4 жыл бұрын
@@keithwiebe1787 Mine failed after 317,997 if beating the crap out of it. Could have saved it but I bought another with 130,000 miles instead lol.
@Boss260-
@Boss260- 4 жыл бұрын
Would like to see a 4v cam shootout.
@madmod
@madmod 4 жыл бұрын
That's a lot of money
@markburkey6371
@markburkey6371 4 жыл бұрын
That's unconventional torture sir...lol
@bumsoil
@bumsoil 4 жыл бұрын
This right here. Both b head and c head cam shootout.
@nathanielhampton2559
@nathanielhampton2559 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@vmoya6631
@vmoya6631 4 жыл бұрын
Got my vote to compare different after market cams 😁
@GroovesAndLands
@GroovesAndLands 4 жыл бұрын
I had a 98 Cobra back in the day. Mine had the 1.5L non intercooled Kenne Bell blower and IMRC deletes when I bought. I modded my manifold for short runners and raised the manifold floor like "they" said to do. Admittedly, I did a bit nicer job than shown here, but I could still feel a significant torque loss - with no commensurate gain up top to show for it. Luckily, I had 4.10 gears which kinda made it a moot point on street tires. I used to bleed ford blue back in the day. Now I'm with Richard - I just like good running engines, whatever the source...
@midnight347
@midnight347 6 ай бұрын
A properly done ported short runner Def performs better but you need a gear to take advantage some shorten them too much and it kills their power curve. Nasvt knows how to do his ported short runners.
@RecklessEnterainment
@RecklessEnterainment 3 жыл бұрын
The 4.6 4 valve motors were always cool. I love how they sound with a set of long tubes. It’s kind of a shame they never got used passed 2004 in the mustangs. Probably one of the best sounding v8’s ever made.
@T.J.Caldwell318
@T.J.Caldwell318 2 жыл бұрын
They do sound great. Way better than the new mustangs that sound like raspy 💩 boxes
@Kk_1100
@Kk_1100 2 жыл бұрын
@@T.J.Caldwell318 yea the coyotes sound ass
@alb12345672
@alb12345672 Жыл бұрын
@@Kk_1100 Sounds great in my 4.6 4V 95 Lincoln Continental. Great Car!
@TheManic.5-OH
@TheManic.5-OH 7 ай бұрын
They're among you now in the 2011-current
@midnight347
@midnight347 6 ай бұрын
They put a 5.4 4v in 07 up gt500s it's a tall deck 4.6 same architecture same firing order and they sound nasty. My 07 has a gen3r and arh long tubes offroad h and borla stingers sounds like pure sex video on my channel highly recommend.
@georgeharleydavidsonrider156
@georgeharleydavidsonrider156 3 жыл бұрын
Just bought a 1996 Mustang SVT. 21,000 original miles. Thinking about doing long tube headers and leaving the motor stock. Very good video very informative. Long live the internal combustion engine.
@BlueOvalEdge
@BlueOvalEdge 2 жыл бұрын
Joe Biden said the internal combustion engine needs to be eliminated and that will put the oil companies out of business. Richard should start learning how to write s/w code for chinese made electric motors.
@a29s12
@a29s12 3 ай бұрын
Put the same cams in that he did in this video. You won't regret it.
@FMCguy
@FMCguy 4 жыл бұрын
I own a 1997 Cobra and I would love to see more of this!
@theozman38
@theozman38 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard. Ya those engines had a formula race engine sound when hooked up with the right sounding exhaust system. Thanks Richard!!
@zd302gt
@zd302gt 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the B-head love, Richard.
@xmo552
@xmo552 4 жыл бұрын
That almost sounds gay😂
@mattjonesturbo1
@mattjonesturbo1 4 жыл бұрын
I still own a 96 mystic cobra with 50k original miles ironically, Thanks KZbin and Thanks Richard.
@camprandy
@camprandy 3 жыл бұрын
Trying to figure out how to get 7 k to buy one down the road from me . I hope I can figure something out.. have a great day.
@TheWs699
@TheWs699 3 жыл бұрын
Just got one with 71k
@madmod
@madmod 4 жыл бұрын
Time to test the big dog Triton v10 with the cam nitrous and boost. I want to see a torque shelf.
@crownvictorialifestyle4421
@crownvictorialifestyle4421 3 жыл бұрын
A V10 you got to be a loser talking about a Ford V10 there was absolutely no aftermarket support why
@koybuscho5880
@koybuscho5880 3 жыл бұрын
@@crownvictorialifestyle4421 shut up
@PureCountryof91
@PureCountryof91 3 жыл бұрын
@@crownvictorialifestyle4421 because 420# of torque in the late models.. cam blanks can be ground, rods and pistons can be gotten for the 5.4. injectors, plugs, so, yeah. V10 would be an animal with mods.
@madmod
@madmod 3 жыл бұрын
@@crownvictorialifestyle4421 "no aftermarket support" You are aware the mod engines are in fact "modular" meaning the design and parts used on the 4.6 2v, share to the 5.4, which shares with the 6.8. Forged pistons, rods, oem factory forged crankshafts, billet cam cores, aftermarket headers, oversized valves, aftermarket timing and valvetrain components, and even factory power adders from Whipple, vortec, and a plethora of other options are available. Just because *YOU* arent interested in an engine doesnt matter.
@tonkpils31
@tonkpils31 2 жыл бұрын
@@crownvictorialifestyle4421 Comp used to make cams for them I'm pretty sure, but not a big market for hotrodding in a 3/4 ton gas truck so they stopped.
@bumsoil
@bumsoil 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best youtube channel for us car people who cannot afford big money motors.
@Vffr1
@Vffr1 Жыл бұрын
I picked my 98 Cobra last week. I want to go with cams. Simple & Sweet. These cars are damn near perfect already. Add gears/tires and you're a low 12 sec car. Triple
@TheJMan1K
@TheJMan1K Жыл бұрын
I found a mystic cobra with decent miles for 12K think it’s worth it?
@bmacster1985
@bmacster1985 11 ай бұрын
There pretty, just letting you know if it needs paint it’s a hassle to get done and expensive as hell. I owned #61 of 2000 about 15 years ago
@darkshine5
@darkshine5 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing these great engines. Its such a shame that the aftermarket really doesn't cater to them like the small blocks
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 4 жыл бұрын
It's much more of a commitment to modify a 4-valve V8. You have to buy and install four cams instead of just one.
@DrGibs347
@DrGibs347 4 жыл бұрын
Uhh theres endless aftermarket support for the ford modular engines.... pretty much anything mustang has the largest aftermarket support.
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 4 жыл бұрын
@@DrGibs347 Only because for 25 years, the Modular was Ford's only production V8. Ford really missed the direction of the market when they designed the Mod engine. The wanted it to be small enough to fit in front wheel drive cars, so they designed it with 100 mm bore spacing, pretty much limiting it to 93mm bore. Meanwhile, GM and Chrysler have the LS and Hemi that can go to 104mm bore. The Ford just can't compete with the 2-valve version, so a 4-valve dohc engine is necessary. Expensive to manufacture. Expensive to modify.
@madmod
@madmod 4 жыл бұрын
@@andyharman3022 The bore was selected to make the engine square and keep displacement down. It makes for a more efficient combo overall being less prone to detonation with the small bore and good stock heads. The long stroke helps with cylinder filling especially with the 2vs which focus more on port velocity than flow, hence why even the earliest 2v out torques a lot of pushrod engines. Richards own test saw 260hp- 341ft/lbs run with the stock npi cam and intake vs 250hp-300ft/lbs out of the 5.0 combo. It's obvious the modular is effective at power production despite being quite small in displacement. You can't argue it missed the market when the 2v outsold the other pony cars and still competed with the 70ci larger, and more powerful combos where the 4v was much more suited. I'm tired of the claims of how spendy they are because I have been able to source running 4v c headed combos for under 300$ for years. These stock heads and cams will support almost any power level you'd like to reach on a 281.
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 4 жыл бұрын
@@madmod How much does a set of cams for a 4v Mod cost versus one cam for an LS or Hemi? That was my point, and don't try to tell me there is no difference in cost. As for all of your other statements about the Mod, it's just cheap rationalization from a Ford fanboy. "Long stroke improves cylinder filling." That's a laugh. The 2v mod outsold the GM F-body because it went out of production in 2002 for eight years. I ran my Camaro in about 100 track days from 2002 to 2016, and was never passed by a Mustang. From my point of view, the 4.6 was no match for the GM 5.7.
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 4 жыл бұрын
Ouch! I've never seen a better demonstration of how shortening the runners kills midrange torque. The thing that jumped out at me in the picture is that the runner entries were not radiused. That hurt the situation even more.
@OxBlitzkriegxO
@OxBlitzkriegxO 4 жыл бұрын
The runner shown is trash. There are MANY other SRIs that have been dynoed that showed FAR different gains than that. The hillbilly modded intake shown here is trash.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
short runners are designed to make power at higher engine speeds
@andrestnt
@andrestnt 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 Join the NASVT page on Facebook and see what a real SRI does, or any real 4.6L DOHC build. the SRI showed looks unfinished. B heads are prob the worst heads, they only do about 370rwhp max N/A, for any power N/A you need to go c head.
@eatshit8907
@eatshit8907 4 жыл бұрын
Andres Solis Oooh,you just schooled Richard Holdener!
@midnight347
@midnight347 4 жыл бұрын
@@andrestnt yea a good well done ported Sri will definitely help these cars and the gain is magnified with cams to really take full advantage of it. As for the loss in torque low with 430 gears you won't notice that lol. That is the least gear I would recommend for an na b headed car...even go 456 do not fear the gear that is my number 1 advice to any new na 4v guys....dont fear the gear
@fatherfirefighter7751
@fatherfirefighter7751 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! I'd love to see more on the B head cobras.
@Prestiged_peck
@Prestiged_peck 4 жыл бұрын
I personally have a 98 cobra, it's a salvage with a twisted frame, but motor's good!
@generalgen1542
@generalgen1542 3 жыл бұрын
John mihovetz owner of acuufab racing has a lot of knowledge in these heads. He says they are plenty good and discusses the pro and cons of both b heads and c heads
@rainewilliams3264
@rainewilliams3264 3 жыл бұрын
@@Prestiged_peck would you sell it?
@Prestiged_peck
@Prestiged_peck 3 жыл бұрын
@@rainewilliams3264 the chassis is actually for sale, the motor's getting built for my '96 gt as a swap.
@brianspangler3771
@brianspangler3771 3 жыл бұрын
Something I'd like see you do with one of these engines is install a 5.0L stroker kit and see what it does. It'll obviously gain more power but I'd like to see what kind of torque gains it would make.
@chandlerlofton6536
@chandlerlofton6536 2 жыл бұрын
There is nothing like the sound of a cammed 4v with 4:10 gears singing through some flowmasters!! Those cars lowered on some stock wheels, ohh man.
@DustysLP
@DustysLP 4 жыл бұрын
That was awesome I really enjoyed that. I would love to see a 5.4/4.6 2v test with the Tfs 185cc and 195cc cylinder heads. I’ve been told that you need at least a 3.700 sleeved bore to take advantage of these cylinder heads. I think you would see huge gains regardless.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
they work well on stock bores
@RJon2006
@RJon2006 4 жыл бұрын
Those short runners killed a lot more power than I expected. I love my mod motor!
@Xuzuluwuku
@Xuzuluwuku 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the love on the B-heads! Would really want to see more vids on them 96-98 cobras! Thank you again you got a new a sub!
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
More to come!
@KetchLambier
@KetchLambier 5 ай бұрын
Had a 98 convertible, Laser Red, black top and interior. Picked it up for $9,500. Great fun. The engine growl was awesome.
@54darklight
@54darklight 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see some 1999-2001 cobra motor builds
@bigredracer7848
@bigredracer7848 4 жыл бұрын
256👍's up Richard thanks again for taking us all along with you for the great show
@psychoholiday
@psychoholiday 4 жыл бұрын
I would really have liked to have seen some Mark VIII intake manifolds compared on the dyno to end some massive debates among enthusiasts.
@gnash615guy3
@gnash615guy3 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad I stumbled onto this as I have a 98 cobra and planning on a kb2.1 blower in the spring. I won't be doing cams though but that 500hp looks fun!
@midnight347
@midnight347 6 ай бұрын
The non intercooler kb isn't that great for making power. I'm a pd blower guy but with the lack of good options on these I'd recommend a procharger or a turbo setup.
@KarzKreated
@KarzKreated 4 жыл бұрын
The 4V gurus have perfected the Short Runner Intake. It's best to only cut a couple inches off the runner length. Also keeping the bellmouth ends is beneficial. Lastly, raising the floor of the manifold the same amount that you take away from the runners will help keep the torque from dropping off. Unfortunately, the B Heads have limited support for aftermarket intakes.
@GroovesAndLands
@GroovesAndLands 4 жыл бұрын
Not saying another short runner manifold wouldn't maybe do a little better, but this is basic helmholtz tuning stuff we've seen over and over and over again. Also, the "bellmouths" in those runners are as-cast and very poorly made. They don't hurt, but they don't work miracles, either. Last, I don't see how raising the manifold floor with epoxy is going to fix deficiencies in runner length.
@bumsoil
@bumsoil 3 жыл бұрын
@@GroovesAndLands I have a modified intake made by NASVT. It's got about one and a half inches cut off, and the bell mouths welded back on. It's got a raised floor, and a few other tricks. It's 100% worth it if it's made correctly.
@midnight347
@midnight347 3 жыл бұрын
@@bumsoil ye they def make more power up top and won't sacrifice everywhere else nearly as bad as this video if done correctly. A short runner needs to rev its best to combine it with cams and rev to above 7k for best results. Nasvt really knows his stuff with these older 4v cars.
@thollingsworth4910
@thollingsworth4910 3 жыл бұрын
Very good video, I've owned a couple of these over the years and appreciate the time spent putting this test together.
@TheEclecticHandyman
@TheEclecticHandyman 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video, especially seeing how those Comp cams reacted throughout the power band.
@jerryhayden8720
@jerryhayden8720 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this testing. I love these engine's. I had a 97 Mark VIII that was a money pit due to faulty electronics that were so bad I got rid of the dang thing. I do like the engine's though. I think they need their own independent electronic system though. Long story so I'll stop. Great video.👍
@vmoya6631
@vmoya6631 4 жыл бұрын
Great work Sir. The power gain from the cams was way better than i though.
@robertmacpeek424
@robertmacpeek424 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Sir! 96-98 Cobra's are Cool. What I really like is even at entry level cams the gains are Great for what little if any Tq was sacrificed.
@WXSTANG
@WXSTANG 7 ай бұрын
Short runner mod should only be about an inch and a half max for best results apparently, but who knew Cams would make such a drastic difference!? :)
@Re1ikGaming
@Re1ikGaming 3 жыл бұрын
Omg thx for this video. Slowly restoring a 96 mystic cobra and motor is next. I want more HP but want to keep the motor close as original as possible...and definitely want to keep that sweet awesome sound these motors make!
@Chingon1
@Chingon1 3 жыл бұрын
Some more 4v B head data would be very appreciated Very appreciative as it is 😂
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 4 жыл бұрын
As always boost makes everything better!
@TommyboyGTP
@TommyboyGTP 4 жыл бұрын
Would have liked to have seen what the boost would have done on pump gas, and maybe a small shot of nitrous, say a 50 jet to help cool the intake charge while it was boosted, too.
@LynnTwinCustoms513
@LynnTwinCustoms513 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone always refers to the 4v as a cobra engine but in reality the Lincoln mark viii was rolling around with one of these engines back in 93 haha
@CR3j35_90kid
@CR3j35_90kid 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly 😆
@midnight347
@midnight347 4 жыл бұрын
This was a cobra motor he said it was a 96-98 and it had a cobra intake on it too. I get what you're saying but the cobra is what made it well known thus why its referred to that way usually
@LynnTwinCustoms513
@LynnTwinCustoms513 4 жыл бұрын
@@midnight347 for sure nobody even knows what a mark viii is anymore lol
@midnight347
@midnight347 4 жыл бұрын
@@LynnTwinCustoms513 they are cool cars for sure. A cobra intake ported and turned into a short runner would really help it out..aggressive stall and 4.30 gears them things can be pretty impressive for what they are.
@LynnTwinCustoms513
@LynnTwinCustoms513 4 жыл бұрын
@@midnight347 I have a 97 mark viii with a tremec 3650 and 3:73 gears it runs out pretty good for a boat anchor of a car. Need to make some videos of it lol
@coreybell9525
@coreybell9525 4 жыл бұрын
love your channel wasnt trying to sound condescending earlier i didnt understand where the channel came from is all good luck with everything
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
All good
@tbyrd32able
@tbyrd32able 4 жыл бұрын
Whatever happened with the Gen 1 coyote build? I remember you saying that boost would be added to see how much power could be made.
@brycycles95
@brycycles95 3 жыл бұрын
New to all this but what about swapping 03-04 Terminator heads onto the 97-98 Teksid block? Will they bolt up? Then you can whipple swap or stock blower from a terminator and make good power
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@Rampant_Colt
@Rampant_Colt 4 жыл бұрын
Vin Diesel approves the NOS button
@chrisrasnake7681
@chrisrasnake7681 3 жыл бұрын
Camshaft used? Heads? Maybe start attaching links of where to buy products? Good video!
@PetesGarageandperformance
@PetesGarageandperformance 4 жыл бұрын
Richard, I’ve always wondered how a Northstar compared to the Ford DOHC 4.6. You wouldn’t happen to have any N* tests, do you? I kind of want to take a N* from an SRX or STS that had the VVT and try to do a “ghost cam” tune like the Coyote guys do. It would really be different.
@superstallion97
@superstallion97 Жыл бұрын
Basically the early 90s Ford 4V was the beginning stages for the Coyote platform
@jason6175
@jason6175 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting that the 4v 4.6l ford makes very similar power to a chevy 4.8l
@midnight347
@midnight347 2 жыл бұрын
And it's an older engine too as well as slightly less displacement. The c head 4c can do like 375 rwhp which is well over 400 hp on an engine dyno prob 450 and they can do that with just fbo, ported stock intake and cams. Pretty good for a 20 year old 4.6.
@billmeyers9584
@billmeyers9584 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and great advice. I'm gathering that that short lock probably ain't going to last much longer running above the 450hp mark. What do you suggest on a good rod and piston? Does that blower that you used have the option to run an intercooler? I see these for sale every now and then (blower)
@Milehighsnake98
@Milehighsnake98 2 жыл бұрын
Typically these engines can live long lives with a safe tune at about 450-475whp. At least that's been the history with the potentially thousands of boosted ones running around. With a 15% loss, that 450whp would be about 530 crank hp (and would actually read even higher than this test because this has the electric water pump and appears to not use an alternator (not 100%, but that's what it looked like in the picture @4:30).
@ts302
@ts302 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Richard! Between the 2V, 3V or 4V mod motors, which setup would give you the best bang for the buck & HP. Thank you.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
2v is cheapest
@Greenskies321
@Greenskies321 4 жыл бұрын
2V = best ROI. I got a set of ported stage 2 “patriot heads” for $600, short block 98 teksid for $200 std bore, then bought an MMR forced rods/piston/ring/bearing kit for $1000. With labor I spent $2500 total for a built long block that is good for a safe/reliable 700-800hp and 900hp if I want to go full race mode with shorter life expectancy
@madmod
@madmod 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 Ive been sourcing aviator engines for people giving them an affordable 4v solution. You should big bang an aviator. Its the closest to an aluminum block cobra engine you can find in a junkyard, and honestly identical to an auto mach 1 shortblock.
@Milehighsnake98
@Milehighsnake98 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I'd like to know...The factory motor was rated at 305/300. Your test motor with the accufab/stand alone, longtubes and electric water pump made 336/327. How much of those gains are from each of those?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
RATED POWER IS TESTED DIFFERENTLY-I COVER THIS IN MANY VIDEOS
@rustyretired
@rustyretired Жыл бұрын
Whats the difference in the 96-98 cobra motor and the 99? I see root/screw style superchargers for the 96-98 motor but cant find any kits for the 99, they’re all centrifugal
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
Kenne bell has blower kit for the 99-the heads and intake are different on the later Cobras (B heads vs C heads)
@rustyretired
@rustyretired Жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 the only ones i see on kenne bell are for the 99 2v, do you have a link for it or something? Thx
@qward2174
@qward2174 Жыл бұрын
​@@rustyretiredHey I was trying to send you a link as to why KB discontinued the 99-01 4v kit but youtube keeps deleting the link. Type in "what happened to the Kenne Bell supercharger kit for 99-01 cobras" and you should get your answer 😎👍🐍💨💨💨💨
@rustyretired
@rustyretired Жыл бұрын
@@qward2174 oh ok, thanks man
@jeffjohnon4223
@jeffjohnon4223 4 жыл бұрын
If you want to modify a Ford 4v motor,all you have to do is take out a second mortgage and sell off everything you own to pay for it,or you could just modify a 351W and have your cake and eat it too.
@mountainofeverest3861
@mountainofeverest3861 4 жыл бұрын
Yessssssss ... Mods are just not worth it.
@trailerparkcryptoking5213
@trailerparkcryptoking5213 4 жыл бұрын
turbojet powered so, if you don’t build for 1000 HP, don’t use the Cobra engine?
@xxxmikeyjock
@xxxmikeyjock 4 жыл бұрын
B head all aluminum motors are far cheaper to make 1000hp with then any windsor motor. for $200 you get the heds and block that will hold it. try that shit with a W and tell me what it costs.
@bumsoil
@bumsoil 4 жыл бұрын
An 03/04 Cobra motor is going to be on borrowed time at 1,000 horsepower. It has pretty much the same pistons as the rest of the motor line up. Hyperutectic cast essentially. They're going to be living on borrowed time north of 600 horsepower.
@johnrau2873
@johnrau2873 3 жыл бұрын
Just like a Harley money
@scottb3637
@scottb3637 4 жыл бұрын
What can I do to get the best n/a power and torque from my 5.4l3v? Cam, intake manifold, tune, fuel injectors, locking the vct? Not sure where to start!
@Milehighsnake98
@Milehighsnake98 3 жыл бұрын
What runner length was that? They looked really short. Runner length would affect power output as too long of a runner can hurt too, I'd imagine.
@78jiver
@78jiver 2 жыл бұрын
Richard what injectors and pulley did you use to add more boost? I have a kenne bell stock manifolds but don’t feel the power. I was interested in getting pulley upgrade what did you use
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
injectors should be sized for the intended power output
@johnrau2873
@johnrau2873 3 жыл бұрын
I bolted a 2.1 kenny bell on my 97 cobra mustang I have the stock cams and the kenny bell has the 3 inch pulley and 8 psi i wanna say Dose any one know what the boost pump should be set at Just checking
@leerosson216
@leerosson216 4 жыл бұрын
Love this vid Richard my son and I both have black 98 cobras 😀they both need more power!
@petrolhead8851
@petrolhead8851 4 жыл бұрын
Switch over to 03/04 cobra heads,and you’ll have way more intake options,throw in some cams,convert it to e85 and you’ll be eating up a lot of modern fast cars
@SDFGH87896
@SDFGH87896 4 жыл бұрын
Hello sir, I’m debating the kenne bell for my 96 but it’s set up for road courses. I heard heat is a huge Pain. I don’t need 500 hp but a little gain with no loss in reliability would be nice. For those needs what would you suggest?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
for a road course the centrifugal works well
@thegalli
@thegalli 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have any vids with the B head Lincoln Mark 8 intake? We can find those motors for almost free all day long
@scottbeckman4887
@scottbeckman4887 4 жыл бұрын
I think this is a great channel, I bring my own friends.
@samisdfosko1320
@samisdfosko1320 2 жыл бұрын
It is quite interesting to see 96-98 Cobra motors with Kenne Bell hp per psi : So as default 96-98NA makes 305hp and with Kenne Bell at 7psi makes about 410HP based on their website, so math says: (410HP - 305HP) = 105HP. Which we divide with psi, so we get 105HP/7psi = 15HP/psi. Now with Richard Test: Modified NA = 376HP KB 8.8 psi = 485hp KB 11.9 psi = 506hp (485hp - 376hp) = 109hp. == 109hp / 8.8psi = 12.3hp/psi (506hp - 376hp) = 130hp == 130hp / 11.9psi = 10.9hp/psi So HP/PSI ration goes down very rapidly more you increast boost.
@Milehighsnake98
@Milehighsnake98 2 жыл бұрын
For one, this was a KB non-intercooled setup. The more you compress air, the more heat is generated. So using non-intercooled, you will see a decrease in returns. If you use an intercooled setup like a centrifugal or turbo, it will be more consistent that for X amount of boost, you would add Y amount of hp.
@Olcigi26
@Olcigi26 Жыл бұрын
I miss my 93 Lincoln mark viii. Mustang didn’t want the engine till 96. Now anything that gets it after that is instant homage. 😅
@kevinjohnson9372
@kevinjohnson9372 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a Lincoln mark viii engine basically it's the same block and heads but the internals aren't as strong but they handle 12to 15 pounds of boost. Cams are said to be the same but the intake and exhaust manifolds are more restrictive that would be a good starting point for a new test and then do cobra intake and headers then re degree the stock cam then splice part of this video in wear u added cams intake then blower
@kennethpowers8995
@kennethpowers8995 4 жыл бұрын
Most of the internals are the same as the Cobra with the exception of the crank; cast in the Lincoln and Forged in the Cobra. Pistons and rods are the same between early cobra and Lincoln. Block is the same, Tekskid aluminum block from good old Italy. Head castings are the same between early cobra and Lincoln except the cams are timed a little different; similar duration but Cobra gets more lift. Intake manifold on the Lincoln was tuned for low end and had IMRC to aid that low speed power. It was after all a nearly 2 ton Lincoln. Also there isn’t anything really a boost level the engine will handle. Like any engine it’s power that breaks parts, it doesn’t care at what boost level the power occurs. I can run 25 psi on a stock 2v if it’s through a small, less efficient turbo and only makes me 500Hp. At the same time I could grenade that exact motor at 10psi with a larger turbo that flows much more air. This is why it’s important to look at your compressor maps before picking out a turbo for your build.
@kennethpowers8995
@kennethpowers8995 4 жыл бұрын
I should add the Cobra intake had IMRC too as Richard said but it’s more of a CMCV system because it’s still a single runner intake. The early Lincoln had true IMRC which had a vacuum operated servo and a true 2 runner intake design. Cobra and later Lincoln 1 runner intake were electronic servo controlled.
@shawngoff8290
@shawngoff8290 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a Kenne bell flowzilla and blowzilla on the foxbody 5.0 shootout
@BA-pz3lo
@BA-pz3lo Жыл бұрын
is there a similar video like this but about the 2001 4 valve?
@andycampbell6032
@andycampbell6032 4 жыл бұрын
99/01 cobra 4v, 03/04 mach1 4v comparisons?
@BuffMyRadius
@BuffMyRadius 3 жыл бұрын
@Richard Holdener If I'm swapping a Mark VIII 4.6 32V into another car, should I keep the cool 16 runner intake or am I better off finding a different intake?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
I HAVE NOT TESTED THAT ONE
@BuffMyRadius
@BuffMyRadius 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 The Mark VIII and Lincoln Aviator are our low buck 32V saviors at the moment, and they both have pretty advanced intakes (especially those early VIIIs, that's some F1 engine insanity, they look so cool!)
@kukkuk5695
@kukkuk5695 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Do you have part number for long tube headers.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
I think they were from Hooker
@trailerparkcryptoking5213
@trailerparkcryptoking5213 4 жыл бұрын
For 1996-98 Cobras, if your throttle cable ever breaks, good luck finding another one or even one that will cross over!!!
@andrestnt
@andrestnt 4 жыл бұрын
agreed, freaking 200$ just for a used one on ebay.
@jamesreid7221
@jamesreid7221 3 жыл бұрын
The Lincoln Mark 8 had the same motor. But 2 different intakes. Any power number with those manifolds?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
NO SIR-NO TESTING ON THOSE
@travisretter6708
@travisretter6708 4 жыл бұрын
Put forged pistons and rods and twin turbo it and make some serious power.
@kevingray7917
@kevingray7917 2 жыл бұрын
Is the Kenny Bell affordable for the average person
@truckandroll989
@truckandroll989 4 жыл бұрын
If you could do it all again and make a maximum safe effort pump gas naturally aspirated motor what would you do? I’m racing a 97 Cobra and im curious?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
ported heads, cam and intake
@ab-cd456
@ab-cd456 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't Ford get class action sued by owners over the power output of these motors? As in lack thereof? Maybe that was the 1999 model.
@welderteach
@welderteach 4 жыл бұрын
Love the mod motors!!! I’d love to see what the coyote and predator motors are capable of!!!
@trippyescobar2472
@trippyescobar2472 Жыл бұрын
Will this same kenne bell supercharger also fit on a 1999 mustang cobra
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
No-the lower manifold is design for the dual-port 96-98 4V heads
@trippyescobar2472
@trippyescobar2472 Жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 uk where I can get a good supercharger for a 99 cobra?
@thefinalgrind
@thefinalgrind 3 жыл бұрын
I just want to know the minimum mods I would need to run a turbo on my Lincoln Aviator to haul the kids around between long street lights..... fresh engine with 6k miles on it.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
just injectors and pump-then turbo and intercooler
@snakebitten1997
@snakebitten1997 2 жыл бұрын
Can you make another video on these B head 96-98 Cobras maximum effort on a NA setup? I own a 97 cobra fairly healthy with 170K miles all original powertrain with 4 bolt ons no headers making 283 stock tune. I own a built/cammed/fbo mach 1 with 4:10’s as well. But I realllllly want to put cams in my cobra so bad and keep it B head strictly. I love the originality of the B head and keeping it Gen 1. Plus the stock manifold is the best looking intake manifold ford has ever made. It’s a street car I deeply care about and want to keep it B head. I have a hard time finding solid cams for good power/torque in the curve. Just looking for something that gives me a noticeable punch and is fun on the street.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
port the B heads and add cams-but you will need a better intake
@MySunroofWorks
@MySunroofWorks 4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see some more Cleveland engine mods, I had a 2V in my '60 F100, with 4:11 gears and a C6 and that thing used to scream... Of course that was like 30 years ago....
@orange1soda
@orange1soda 4 жыл бұрын
Where can i get a short runner intake.
@ShizawnSanders
@ShizawnSanders 4 жыл бұрын
Those results show exactly why the LT1 and LS1 dominated during that era even though base Z28 cars were a class below the Cobra.
@midnight347
@midnight347 4 жыл бұрын
@@turbojetpowered8299 best thing to do for em is 456 gears. That really brings those cars to life and gives it aggressive gearing like the 11-17 coyote cars had which really helped them. 331 is like 410 355 is like 430 and 373 is like 456 if you compare an 11-17 coyote mt82 to the t45 back in those days. So obviously the coyote has much more aggressive gearing and that really helped those cars. A set of 456 gears with a sticky tire can take off more than a half second in the quarter mile on it's own on these cars that is huge. I'm talking about a car that already had sticky tires just going from 327 to 456 gears will drop over half a second off your et it may actually even help the car trap a higher mph too. Gears REALLY wake these cars up. I cant think of many cars where a gear swap is needed as badly as it is on 96-98 cobras lol. The mach 1 will also benefit from gearing but not to the extend the torque less b head cars do because the mach is stronger in the mid range and has more torque overall so a super steep gear isnt needed although they do run awesome with 430-456 gears. A gear swap on a 96 cobra will have it easily taking down stock lt1s even bolt on lt1s and it wont be far off stock ls1s. Dont underestimate what 456 gears do for these cars lol
@mountainofeverest3861
@mountainofeverest3861 4 жыл бұрын
The Cobra wasn't the top dog/Mustang... the Saleen S351 was for that era. 495hp for the S351. Modular Motors were the wrong move... Altered valve angle was the way they should have gone.. NASCAR Fords had been at 18 degrees since the 80's.. 18 deg heads instead of OHV would have put Fords on equal footing to the LS series without boost or spending zillions for a cam upgrade.
@banneddamn
@banneddamn 4 жыл бұрын
Ls1 camaro and 4v cobra were pretty evenly matched. Put em on the street and stock for stock it was a flip of the coin who would win and would mainly come down to driver.
@midnight347
@midnight347 4 жыл бұрын
@@turbojetpowered8299 I bet your mach was sick. I used to own a 97 cobra and 03 mach but it wasnt like whT yours was. It was fbo stock gears tune. It was faster than my intake full exhaust minus headers non tuned 97 cobra with 4.10 gears. The 4.10 really woke it up but afterwards wished I had went 456. I wanted 4.10 in the mach and cams similar to your build I bet that was badass man. Those cars are alot quicker than many realize they could keep up with the ls1 cars pretty good it was close enough to be a drivers race edge to the ls1. You're right in that ford would not offer 456 stock it's too good lol. There has to be compromise I could see 373 maybe 410 like you said. The coyotes got stock 373s and they had a much more aggressively geared trans.
@ShizawnSanders
@ShizawnSanders 4 жыл бұрын
@@banneddamn I call BS and I raced plenty. Unless the LS1 driver was asleep I call BS. Also, look at my profile. That's my car. I'm not a fan boi of either camp i just know what I saw and did plenty of times. I'm 41 and have owned plenty of Mustang's and Camaro's. The Mustang didn't compete until they put a blower on it and/or until Coyote. My FBO LT1 car was always faster mod for mod vs NA 4V 4.6. When I got a LS1 it was even worse and too easy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3zViJWHgq6qoa8 Look at the difference in power between just the gen 2 LT1 and this 4V 4.6. What is that? 40HP and torque? The numbers and results don't lie.
@8bit_bryan
@8bit_bryan 3 жыл бұрын
For the 1998 Mark 8, how much of a difference is there with using the same aftermarket parts? Would the IMRC delete plates help when adding the supercharger/nitrous? I have the cobra intake with 76mm MAF housing and all factory EGR stuff still in the car. I do have a tuning chip with software for power adding applications.
@TacoCrisma
@TacoCrisma Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t do an IMRC delete. Just have a tuner program them to open earlier.
@8bit_bryan
@8bit_bryan Жыл бұрын
@@TacoCrisma I did end up deleting them. I'm running NA and J-chip tuned for the mods I have done. I've been drifting my Mark 8 and it is an incredible car. Feels and sounds amazing. I uploaded videos if you want to check them out.
@daveyorke3818
@daveyorke3818 4 жыл бұрын
I love it all but what's missing is the Buick 455
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
coming
@xmo552
@xmo552 4 жыл бұрын
Dave Did you miss all of last month? He did a ton of Buick 455 videos. (And they're great)
@daveyorke3818
@daveyorke3818 4 жыл бұрын
@@xmo552 No have not missed a thing just waiting for the final run.
@xmo552
@xmo552 4 жыл бұрын
@@daveyorke3818 Ah 👍😉👌
@orlandozavala1041
@orlandozavala1041 2 жыл бұрын
Can u compare the Lincoln aviator vs the cobra to see how much of a difference there is
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
THE EARLY COBRA? b HEAD?
@jasonamerica7618
@jasonamerica7618 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 98 Mark 8 motor with 02 Continental heads on it and a cobra intake. What kind of power do you think it is making. I put it in my sons SN95 and it runs good with 3.73s
@xmo552
@xmo552 4 жыл бұрын
Cool
@utahcountypicazospage5412
@utahcountypicazospage5412 4 жыл бұрын
Richard you should of left the cut manifold with nitrous to have nitrous give back torque and rev it to 8000
@RadDadRods
@RadDadRods 4 жыл бұрын
What i was waiting for! Thanks!
@HioSSilver1999
@HioSSilver1999 Жыл бұрын
Those things were tired when they left the factory.
@Wear-N-Tear
@Wear-N-Tear 4 жыл бұрын
Were the cams degree’d ? Or just swapped out? Good gains with cams!
@mrelectron6220
@mrelectron6220 4 жыл бұрын
Moises L most people do not degree cams and leave free HP on the table I've read this more than once from professional engine builders of the 4.6 2V and 4V. If each cam is out even one or two degree you have an imbalance and one side of the motor is fighting the other side. This is especially important on multi cam engines more so the single cam push rod motors. The worst you wind up with on a push rod motor is a power band that has shifted either up or down the rpm range a bit.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
these were degreed-mod motors can have cam timing off by a lot even from the factory
@brucedressel8873
@brucedressel8873 3 жыл бұрын
John has made over 3300 whp with a stock stroke Teksid block
@MZUNIGA012
@MZUNIGA012 4 жыл бұрын
Does anybody know whats a good plug and play replacement engine for this? I have a 97 cobra which got a bent rod i want to take my time on building it but i want a engine that i can use to drive for now? Thanks in adv
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
use a 2V bottom end with your 4v top end
@ranware2779
@ranware2779 3 жыл бұрын
Find a mark viii engine and swap everything over
@jeffasvt3210
@jeffasvt3210 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!! Great content!🤙🏻
@MsDimov
@MsDimov 4 жыл бұрын
And again, how much all that cost?
@eddiearchuleta615
@eddiearchuleta615 Жыл бұрын
I run that same set up with the 1.5l kb makes 500 rwhp with a water meth kit I have spraying pre and post rotors
@minimanadam
@minimanadam 4 жыл бұрын
Aghhhh how I miss my cobra swapped 97 Tbird...
@christopherrobinson5401
@christopherrobinson5401 4 жыл бұрын
Was that a direct bolt in? Motor mounts match?
@Chingon1
@Chingon1 3 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what I got going now. Stuck deciding whether to do it or go coyote
@christophercrowley6707
@christophercrowley6707 4 жыл бұрын
You need to do 4.6 DOHC Turbo Intake options. How much stock 01 cobra intake vs ported vs Sullivan single plane with adapter vs a eaton/kb lower with a welded box upper with tb adapter
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
did you watch the 4.6L 4V or the 5.4l 4V intake videos-same under boost-kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ-5nquPd8t1pac
@DonLapwig
@DonLapwig 4 жыл бұрын
What about the 4v out of a Mach 1
@MoctezumasRevenge1
@MoctezumasRevenge1 4 жыл бұрын
Maurader block, terminator heads
@DrGibs347
@DrGibs347 4 жыл бұрын
I wanna see the mach 1 engine as well... since thats what i have in my fox. I know they are not extremely different, but there should be a different outcome.
@xXxNECROMONGERxXx
@xXxNECROMONGERxXx 4 жыл бұрын
@@MoctezumasRevenge1 terminator heads lower the compression dramatically. Unless you're putting turbos on the motor, it's not great.
@tturi2
@tturi2 4 жыл бұрын
Boss 290
@midnight347
@midnight347 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrGibs347 its def a better engine i had a 97 cobra and 03 mach. The mach had headers and tbody that the cobra did not otherwise almost identical mods cobra had 4.10s and mach had stock 355 and the mach was still faster with 4.10 or better yet 430 gears the mach would have yanked the cobra easily. They make more power and alot more torque. The heads and intake are better...a mach with a ported short runner (a proper short runner not one that is way too short like in this video) with some nice cams could make upwards of 370-380 to the tires imo. Very stout cars for their time. The mach engine is probably the baddest na 4.6 Ford ever made.
@edwardmyers1746
@edwardmyers1746 4 жыл бұрын
You put a better bottom end in for the kenny?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
it was stock
@edwardmyers1746
@edwardmyers1746 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 YIKES 😂 lucky you didn't have a visit from Mr. Rod. Them things only good up to 450 I wouldn't even want to knock on that door either 🤣
@keithbrown8390
@keithbrown8390 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 1997 Cobra. Unless you are going to supercharge the engine not worth having compared to push rod 302/351. No mod rebuild on a high mileage engine is not worth the price. 94-95 is the way to go.
@coreybell9525
@coreybell9525 4 жыл бұрын
why does the curves always cross at 5250 rpm on gas engines?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
hp = tq x rpm/5252-just math
@davidrivas6886
@davidrivas6886 2 жыл бұрын
So I have a 98 in my 93 coupe, I also have a power glide in as well. Would the power be around the same since I only have two gears?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
this was engine dyno
@tturi2
@tturi2 4 жыл бұрын
If you would really like to have your own boss intake, I could help
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