Propane cylinder bottle Refill 1 pound tank Do it Yourself Save $$Money$$ please read description

[@Zerscape]

Thank you very much for taking the time to explain safety at such great length. Lots can go wrong if you're not careful.

[@bingosunnoon9341]

Refilling a disposable bottle is unlawful, dangerous and stupid.

[@rhirwin10]

One trick I developed was to get a bucket and fill it with ice and immerse the empty bottles in a water/ice bath. If you don't get the full 1lb fill on the first pass, chilling them down again to 32F/0C again will do the trick. Thx for the video. Sorry you lost your head making the video

[@craigwyatt2320]

Thank you for your amazing educational video. I am going to do this, following your instructions to the tee.

[@steve-o9720]

I just bought the flame king refill kit and refillable bottles. They are 100% legal to transport, safer, and easier to fill. The kit itself cost me 35 bucks but in the long run I'm saving myself a ton of money on propane since I go throw a million of the disposables when I go out ice fishing.

[@trumpingtonfanhurst694]

60 deg. big tank and freezer 1hr 1-lb'er works well for me, reliable 13-15oz. refill which is fine. Soap Check for leaks!

[@DougKremer]

Congratulations! You are the first person I've seen correctly understand that the difference in vapor pressure between the two tanks is what pushes the liquid transfer. And that pressure difference comes from the temperature delta between the containers. It only takes a couple degrees of difference to drive the whole transfer.

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Thank you for the comment

[@theMekanik]

He also is the first person to not refill with his face in front of the 1lbs tank 😂😅

[@jrm163]

theMekanik yes! He knows the physics behind well! It’s temperature and pressure together playing the game .

[@easttexan2933]

It's not the difference in vapor pressure. It is simply the difference in pressures. The bottle must always have less pressure than the supply tank or no liquid will flow. As soon as liquid starts into the bottle the temp of the bottle starts dropping because the temp of the propane is at least a negative 44 defF. If you don't vent the bottle the two tanks pressure will equalize and there will be no flow.

[@chrispierce2942]

The temperature difference only affects the speed of transfer, itll still fill to full if they're the same temperature, just takes a little longer

[@pamil1923]

Thanks for telling us to close the valve, it is hard to believe but there are some people that are so dumb they didn’t know that. P.S. I like your goatee, it’s a little bit scary!

[@lostinthedesert6149]

You can get a full charge by burping the small bottles with a punch or drill bit for 4-5 seconds. do it with the bottle upright, depress the valve inside the threaded nipple, then fill again with the large tank. DO THIS OUTSIDE WITH NO IGNITION SOURCES NEARBY🔥, DO NOT MESS WITH THE VALVE ON THE BOTTLE ITSELF, it's a safety blow off valve that works opposite of the main valve. only do it 2 times, and weigh the bottle. it should be between 15-16 oz net, if its a little over, bleed it down with your punch. I use these 1lb bottles with a big buddy propane furnace, and it's nice to get a full bottle run without having to get out of a nice warm sleeping bag :o)

[@notcharles]

VOLUME IS VOLUME IS VOLUME. PHYSICS. If the small tank holds X cu in there is no more room in the small tank than that. Period. A given volume of Room Temperature "air" will compress Y Percent at 30 degrees F. So, Freezing the smaller vessel will decrease the volume of 'air' in the smaller vessel (tank) by no more than Y Percent. NOTE that, when you release Liquid Propane into the smaller tank, the liquid turns into a gas and absorbs heat (gets colder). This acts to chill any 'air' in the smaller tank. So, freezing the smaller container should allow you to add Y% more liquid propane to the smaller cylinder (tank). However, as several folks with their hemostats, bent nose pliers and 'special tools' have pointed out - there is simply no substitute for first evacuating all the ''air' from the small cylinder/tank before or during the refilling process as that effectively removes 100% of the 'air' from the smaller cylinder/tank which, in turn, allows you to fill the entire smaller cylinder with propane. One thing no one seems to have done - weigh a brand new cylinder/tank of propane to see if it does weigh 16 ounces more than an empty one. Not that we don't trust a propane dealer.

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Yes volume is volume. And yes you could vent the air in the cylinder to get the maximum volume while filling. I on purposely leave that out of the video because is makes filling 1lb cylinders more dangerous ( not everyone would take proper safety precautions while filling & venting) . Is a few extra ounces worth the risk, NO. But I do on purposely leave that air in the cylinder as a buffer to reduce the chance of overfilling the cylinder. The cylinders hold 1lb of propane. By weight I've over filled a cylinder to 20 oz of weight, which is something I do not like to do. Too much in the cylinder can make them bulge ( I've had it happen) and they become dangerous. I vent them to a safe weight with a propane torch. I prefer 16 oz or less as a safety margin. Why push extra volume, increasing the risk for a few extra ounces? When you can safely fill 14 to 16 ounces and refill when you run out Over and over. I hope you understand why I fill the way I do, for safety. Thank you for your comment.

[@drummerdude0314]

They have 1lb tanks that have a valve and are safe to refill

[@AlvinBustamante]

Is the bottom half of the 1lb bottle supposed to bulge a little?

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Of all the bottles I've filled, I've one had one of them bulge on a one side near the bottom. I assumed it was weak bottle so I used it right away to empty it and then threw out the bottle. It could have just been weak or I might have over filled it not sure which. If you aren't sure what it was like when you started filling it. Empty it, then throw it away and get another bottle they are cheap. Don't risk your safety to save a few bucks. I hope this helps. Thanks for the question.

[@AlvinBustamante]

@@ZeroFuelRequired Thanks!

[@Goldwing1500rider]

Refilling the disposable ones only get 80% but I personally recommend get flame king refillables for safer use than disposables. Traveling with refillables disposable is against safety law. Read federal (DOT) about them. I’ve done refill disposable one but now I use refillables. They fill quicker, easier and much better, can travel with those. Good video though.

[@jubblybits6155]

It’s only illegal to travel with refilled tanks if being used commercially. 100% legal to travel with refilled propane tanks and bottles (ANY) for personal use.

[@bingosunnoon9341]

@@jubblybits6155 You meant to say if you take it somewhere to be filled. They won't touch them because it is unlawful to refill the disposable bottles. You can do anything you want at home, even if it is unlawful.

[@fishingvesseltunatyme1646]

I'm another feed he used a hemostat (spelling don't know) to bleed air off will fill last little bit of tank

[@condor5635]

It’s amazing how many people continue to say bleed ‘air’ off. There’s no air involved it’s propane gas. You don’t fill the last little bit. This thing should never be full completely only 80%

[@canuckfixit7722]

You can top off the underfilled tanks by placing them back in the freezer for a while but beware that you can very easily overfill the bottle this way. Just use the scale to check it and if overfilled, use the adapter on the bottle to carefully vent out the excess or attach it to a torch or heater and use it promptly.

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Andrew Macdonald I check the weight in all the tanks I fill and get them pretty close to a pound. I've overfilled tanks before and that's the reason I don't show refreezing the tanks. Refreezing might top it off but also has a high chance of overfilling and what I do with mine isn't crucial to have exactly a pound in them. You refill at your own risk and Topping off can increase the risks involved. Don't go topping off right away, get familiar with filling tanks and their weights. Then if you want you can refreeze a tank to top it off, although I don't recommend it. Thanks for your comment.

[@jrm163]

Zero Fuel Required Make GREAT sense! Don’t even bother to cool the small bottles as it’s trouble making!

[@soultribe291]

What version Buddy heater is that ?

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

It's actually the Big Buddy heater 4,000 to 18,000 btu. Tractor supply is one of the cheapest places to buy it at $139 thanks for the question.

[@bobbrua8758]

where did you get the valve at ? nice video thanx bob

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Hey thanks for the comment. Here is the link where I bought my refill adapter on amazon amzn.to/2PVnjg7

[@josephkool8411]

Remember to use a filter if you're going to use a hose connected to your Mr. Heater. They're only $10 on Amazon

[@daniel51404]

Where can I buy the valve and do 16 oz Coleman canisters can be refilled the same way?

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

The valve can be bought on Amazon and yes any brand can be filled the same way. Just fill them outdoors, away from any kind of fire or ignition source. FYI If your traveling Refilled propane cylinders aren't legal to go through tunnels with.

[@daniel51404]

@@ZeroFuelRequired thanks

[@scottyb1637]

Good video. Another thing you could do for a big tank stand is just dremel a couple holes in a 5 gallon bucket and put the tank on the open end of the bucket. Might be a little more stable. (And if you don't want it as tall as the standard 5 gallon bucket, just cut the top 1/3 of the bucket off) (I haven't tried it yet, but I'm assuming the width of the bucket hole should be good)

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Good idea and thanks for the comment.

[@scotttod6954]

It is illegal to fill disposable tanks in Canada. Any tank without current certification is illegal to fill.

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Here in USA it's illegal to transport through most tunnels. Yes it pays to know your local codes. Thanks for the comment.

[@stevengwin7370]

One more reason to not live in Canada. Nice national anthem, though.

[@bingosunnoon9341]

That doesn't matter to a lot of people. Breaking a law meant to prevent injury and death is just part of the deal.

[@bingosunnoon9341]

It's the same in the USA.

[@jessetomasello7999]

Sir how are you getting your video on your watch? Is it the gear s3?

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Yes it is the gear S3. Go to the Samsung Galaxy store ➡️ click search bar ➡️ phone camera remote circle ➡️ tap on watch and search should come up as version 1.2.3 this gets installed in the watch. Click on search bar ➡️ phone camera remote round- provider ➡️ tap app and search it should come up version 1.7.8 this gets installed in your phone. The maker is Leonid Tsarev The app that installs in your phone won't open if you click on it. It is just what provides the actual link to your phone to control the camera. You open the camera app on the watch and control the camera from the watch. It might not be the best app in the world but it is the only one I could find that works to control the phone's camera and view on the watch what the phone is seeing. You can take pictures and video. It does exactly what I want it to do so I have no complaints. I hope this helps you out and thanks for the question.

[@virginialewis92]

Where you sell them

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

There is a link in the description. Thank you for the question.

[@miguelangelvalderrama1808]

Do you know the maximum PSI in one of those little tanks?

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Service pressure is maximum of 240psi. Read info here. www.noah.org/wiki/gasses_--_compressed_gas_cylinder_and_tank_information

[@condor5635]

It doesn’t matter which tank you’re talking about the pressure will be equivalent in a 20 pound tank or a 1 pound tank at the same temperature. As he noted in the link typical pressures are ~ 175 psi at 100° or 315 psi at 130 deg F. So either tank has to be able to take those sorts of pressures although I wouldn’t want to be a near a 1 pounder at 130°. It would probably be venting through the overpressure port

[@miguelangelvalderrama1808]

@@condor5635 i asked because i wanted to get air into that 1 pound tank with a hand air pump to make a little horn🤗, or it is not possible and is dangerous????? 😮

[@condor5635]

@@miguelangelvalderrama1808 - considering the pressure with propane is considerably more than what a bike pump would deliver should be safe in the 100 psi range

[@SamaritanElad]

$6.37 2pk @ Walmart. Video OK Except INTRO - very loud blasting music... Grrrr

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Sorry about the loud music. I don't have any control of the volume of the intro. Video could have been better. Doing these videos is learning on the go. Thanks for the comment.

[@michaelwilson5387]

I understand and maybe I missed something, but y not just use a 20 lbs bottle. I have a wave six hooked up to two 20lbs

[@JenniferElgin]

Almost didn’t watch, the obnoxious music at the beginning came on so loud that I went to turn it off and missed and just forwarded 10 seconds.

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

You know you are the first person to comment on how loud the intro is. After editing and uploading the videos I usually never watch them again. Last year I rewatched one of my videos and got blasted by the intro. I was like what the heck! It's too much work to edit each of the earlier videos and reupload. I have since learned how to decrease the intro volume on all my current videos to 1/3 of what it was before. Sorry and I hope my video helped you out. Thank you for the comment.

[@bbbmmm1713]

Congratulations! This is the 1000th video covering covefing this topic. On a serious note, do not overfill the little bottles. I have had them bulge. It is unnerving when you realize what is going on.

[@bingosunnoon9341]

I usually fill them until they bulge and look like they are about to explode. All the refill nuts say its OK just be careful.

[@mauricemichiels6889]

Need a CO2 monitor... i just figured I would be the guy who says it....

[@condor5635]

For what?

[@condor5635]

John Beige - interesting. Where do you buy a CO2 monitor. You must mean a CO monitor. Little buddies are very safe indoors but having a CO monitor would not hurt.

[@joepodunk284]

What you're missing here is you are only getting 2-3 oz. of propane! The bottle, when full, should be about 28.6 oz. Giving a safety margin would be about 25-27 oz. These bottles Hold 16 oz. of propane +the bottle weighs 12.6.

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

What you're missing here in the video is I clicked TARE on empty cylinder weight of 12.6 ounces. Then I placed full bottle on scale giving actual weight of propane of approximately 14 ounces. It helps to actually watch the video and pay attention.

[@michaelshin69]

My 20 lb tank will not flow upside down, any recommendations?

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Shut the valve on the 20lb tank. Disconnect the 1lb bottle and adapter. Turn 20lb tank right side up. Reconnect adapter and 1lb tank. Then open 20lb tank value and turn everything upside down again and see if it continues to fill. If it shuts off, it's possible the 20lb tank you have has an additional safety inside to prevent propane flow if upside down or knocked over. I hope this helps.

[@davidmayhall6567]

Don't attempt to refill these tanks!

[@condor5635]

@@davidmayhall6567 - spoken from a Coleman representative!

[@condor5635]

Might be that you don’t have much left in your 20 pound tank? Have you tried it when it’s full? When inverting the 20 pound tank you’ll never get 100% of the propane out as you would using it on your grill

[@daniel51404]

Where can I buy the scale?

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Any digital kitchen scale will work as long as it has tare function. These propane cylinders are over 1 lb. Most small kitchen or postal scales are in the 5 to 10 lb range and can be had for as little as $10. Hope this helps thanks for the question.

[@catblueeye]

Move away from that thing , that little propane battle could be came a fast dangerous rocket.

[@mikehulme7879]

My blue rhino 20 lbs. empty completely

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

And what did you do to get it to do that?

[@mikehulme7879]

@@ZeroFuelRequired , just what you did, when my little dont fill anymore, I weigh them to make sure they are not filling, I know my tank is empty. I flip it back over and crack the valve a little to see if nothing comes out, I open the rest of the way and nothing come out, I leave the fill valve when I do that, they always empty. Maybe it's just blue rhino tanks, dont really know

[@gracecookie4604]

Those hoses are a pain in the ass got one worked for three days than refuses to work anymore.

[@jstanovic]

Looks unstable...I would go with just the table

[@glennwhitaker9592]

Never seen a 15 lb bottle. Have seen 20 lb and 30 lb

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

Blue Rhino tanks used to be 20lb then 17lb and they have been 15lb for a while now. Consumer ripoff I guess.

[@easttexan2933]

You are so far behind on how to fill one of those tanks. Freezing the 1lb bottle is a total waste of time. No one fills these tanks like the way you do it anymore. We use a hose to connect the two tanks together and then just vent the bottle as you fill to keep the liquid flowing. The way you are doing it is old school. I know it's almost been 3 years, but you should remake this video.

[@ZeroFuelRequired]

I'm not a fan of venting the bottle. You'd better be grounded to the bottle to prevent a possible spark. I prefer old school. I feel it's safer. But people still blow themselves up. Thanks for the comment.

[@condor5635]

@@ZeroFuelRequired - yeah don’t listen to the new school guy. Venting the bottle to keep it flowing obviously shows his lack of understanding of only feeling at 80% level or 16 oz. not to mention screwing around with the vent or over pressurization valve on something that is not meant to be reused in the first place. Just adds another level of failure that I’m not interested in dealing with. Good video

[@bingosunnoon9341]

Only morons fill disposable bottles

[@albertkazemian603]

Nice