1st review Segway Villain

[@herbf2700]

You really push that machine to the limits compared to me, so your review is going to be worth a lot. My overall review on mine is I love the car. Totally love it. I'm always surprised at how easily it soaks up the lumps. Its a pleasure to drive! I paid 260 for a factory spare belt at an expensive dealer. Shop around, I guess? I agree about the gas gage being too tilt-sensitive. My trans seal was leaking at first too. Dealer fixed it, and I assume Segway is going to be putting better seals on in future. If it leaks again I want to know your new seal part # I agree also about the ride comfort. And the visibility is quite good in the forward direction. I feel like the steering wheel would be better with a round cross-section though. The suspension is great and its one of the main reasons I bought the Segway. I'm thinking of going with some System3 33 inch tires and some System3 wheels. The only problem is the Segway needs deep wheel caps and I have to check on availability. I want to see you do the winch rope. I'd like to do the same thing but I havent seen 9000 lb ropes for sale. I'm thinking about getting the new A-arms MSC is working on, so long as moving the wheel forward a little doesn't mess with the steering too much. I've got the MSC tune and I have a free re-flash on that if I need to change it with a clutch kit for the bigger tires.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

You nailed it. I've had a winch rope since I had the 950 and for some reason I never find time to put it on lol. I too get a free upgraded tune when it comes out and as a whole, there's been nothing as for comfort, for a guy being 5'16" fitting in a unit. I'm 275lbs too so it's a great machine and I don't think I'm getting rid of it anytime soon. Thanks for the comment. 😎

[@Joe_Smo]

See this is the kind of straightforward tidbits people don't get much from the manufactures or unless you're on the trail but by that time you've already bought it.... All this is really helpful to consider about the unit pre-purchase and for troubleshooting after. Thank you very much, keep it up!

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Thanks I appreciate it

[@OffroadVeterans-fk4pu]

This is one of the most detailed reviews that I've seen. Thank you so much for spending the time to share it!!!

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Your welcome.

[@AdrenalineJunkieProd]

I’ve never had good luck with gates belts over the years. I know some people like them but they haven’t served me well. If the SuperATV belt is a G Boost belt I’d recommend trying that one. Good video man. Those birds in the background are goin wild, lol.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Yup, I know that all of us independent struggling tubers try to cut as many corners as possible and we pay a BIG price for our cheapness. I've reached out to G Boost and ultimax for belts and haven't gotten a response yet. I did run the unit hard in WV and my clutch paid the price. Lol.

[@AdrenalineJunkieProd]

@@sxsoutcast7651 ya, we’ve all learned a lesson or two cutting corners. Sometime you can get away with it and sometimes it costs you more. There is a lot of tech that goes into belts and it’s not an area to cheap out. I always recommend that unless you get an opinion or feedback from someone you can trust it’s best to stick to OEM. I’ve been running G boost belts in my rzr turbo for a few years now and I feel they work as good as oem or better. Can’t say the same for any other belt I’ve tried on that machine and I’ve tried a lot over the last 7 years. In my experience, especially on the turbo machines the gates and dayco belts just don’t have what it takes.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@AdrenalineJunkieProd I have the OEM in there now. Im waiting for parts to repair my clutch so I can continue to the next trail wherever that leads me. Thanks for the help and your knowledge is priceless #AJP.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@AdrenalineJunkieProd BTW, we did purgatory trail 73 Hatfield McCoy and I should've stack a few rocks at the first big climb. I almost back flipped. I winched from there up. I puckered ..

[@sxsoutcast7651]

This is a link to the clip. Don't laugh too hard. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqCtdnyYfqh1gqM

[@neverhalfthrottle]

great review, especially for those of us who have very little knowledge on the unit - price point is great and judging from your videos its a very good machine, enjoy the trails and hope to meet up with you.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Awesome. I'd love to link up.

[@Clutch_Kick187]

I had an old tow strap that I used (big ratchet strap like 3in wide for semi's ect) and cut up two pieces and fabbed a couple easy brackets to make my own limiting straps.. Super easy to do with any old stuff and limited tools..

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@Clutch_Kick187 I purchased a cheap 2" strap from depot and made mine for like $12.00 l. it was as easy as Biden falling up steps.

[@User3749cvndhkcgk]

Thank you for the review. I am considering getting a villain in Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿. I am now looking for a Segway review on tarmac roads in the snow ❄️

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@User3749cvndhkcgk It'll be great. I'm sure you'll enjoy the comfort of the drive and the sure feel of the road when driving.

[@User3749cvndhkcgk]

@@sxsoutcast7651 thank you

[@grantstevinson7087]

I believe that it is just the fuel sensor when your going in an incline, the pump is in the rear of the tank I believe.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

I hope so. That made me nervous

[@grantstevinson7087]

@@sxsoutcast7651 Same here! We took off for a night ride in the desert and it said I had 12 miles left going uphill, it leveled back out and like I thought… I had a half tank

[@sxsoutcast7651]

That stinks. I hate that feeling of running out of gas. ​@@grantstevinson7087

[@Fantxm1]

I’m wondering why and or how they got 80 something out of the fugelman and only 74 out of the villain on the dyno video from real talk Powersports … shouldn’t be a big difference between the both of them i wouldn’t think

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Sorry but I thought I answered this question. It's done with 2 different dynos. One is more friendly than the other. The villain was tested with a more accurate Dyno. If they would've been on the same dyno, the results would've been the same.

[@timhawkins2258]

Good review , like I said on Facebook , I truly wonder how the OEM belt would have worked with the clutch,rather than using the gates

[@sxsoutcast7651]

That was my whole point but I may not have conveyed it right. I do think a stronger clutch is needed when we crawl. I don't want to floor the unit to get up over a 12-16" rock. Thanks for watching.

[@timhawkins2258]

Right now we have a trip planned for July 20, staying at devil ance campground, I know 1 plan is to hit Rockhouse 95 , cause last yr rain came in and my 950 couldn't get past the first turn after climbing up the first hill, we don't do slot of rock climbs , but we do some , we love the trails and some excitement

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@timhawkins2258 I have a video coming out tomorrow all Rockhouse. Seriously as a casual rider you could like it. As for trail 95, it was dozed flat. No problem going up it. Trail 95, devils steps and the (pipeline 94) is the reason I went there and 95 was there but the others are no more. Stinks.

[@DesertVillain]

Hopefully you do a video of replacing the steel cable on the winch. Your fender flare install video was quite helpful. I'm still looking for a video about installing the turn signal wiring kit.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

I reached out to MSC about the turn signal kit but it's a lot of money that I don't need. There is a video of someone doing it. I'd do it if I could get a discount on the product.

[@DesertVillain]

Looking forward to your belt review. I have a 2003 Villain SX10 WX & have the same experience with the fuel gauge. Still watching your video but couldn't wait to comment.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

This is what I've found out. Even though the gauge read empty, the gas pickup is in the back of the tank. I was assured it was fine. I never stalled going up a hill BUT it did read empty all the way to the top. Lol. It sucks.

[@jayf6525]

Nice review. Thanks. I have a 2023 WX. I don't rock crawl. I'm not an extreme rider. Just mountain trails and old logging roads here in Idaho. Love the machine so far. I happened to connect with the Segway rep and he told me (unsolicited) that if the machine blows smoke, which mine does not, avoid filling the oil to the full line of the dipstick. Leave it in the middle. No explanation or rationale.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Idaho, logging roads? I'm sure you have some spicy trails there. Lol. Thank you for watching. I appreciate it. Mine did blow a little smoke when I first got it but I wasn't too awfully worried.

[@jayf6525]

@@sxsoutcast7651 Yep. We just enjoy cruising the back roads and trails and enjoying the beauty. As a geezer, I'm not into rock crawling or beating the shit out of my machine. I'll leave that to you younger guys.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@jayf6525 I'm gonna be 60 next year so I'm no spring chicken. Lol

[@jayf6525]

@@sxsoutcast7651 when you're 72 and still rock crawling, let us know.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@jayf6525 lol, I won't be. If it weren't for the villain, I wouldn't be anyway. The suspension is so nice.

[@rsi2493]

If you were buying the Villain today what would you change immediately?

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@rsi2493 Yes. I can't stop doing things to my units. I liked the way it felt stock but once I started getting into harder situations I realized I needed a little more. Not everyone will need the added power, clutch and tires. If what you do is working, (without issues) then don't change anything. Imo

[@jasonballenger2505]

Sounds like you were testing into the fullest. But this does not sound like the unit for you for what you want to be doing user error why are you telling us about your flat tire? Can you replace the clutch whatever you sealed it with licking. For that power that you’re looking for a rock crawling that you’re doing.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

The unit has come a long way since this video. The clutching is awesome and a great tune from powersport calibrations. As for the tire leaking, it was my first real test of the unit and I did mention all the things that went wrong while there.

[@kevinmcdonald1917]

In my opinion Yamaha has the best clutching in the industry, but I love the looks and price of your Segway.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

The new Yammy Hammer is dct clutch as an option which is nice and will eventually,,,,,, make it more main stream. My unit was a great price and I'm liking it so far. 💪😎

[@shadenextacy3959]

Nah. Kawasaki definitely does

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@shadenextacy3959 This will always be debatable. Lol.

[@grantstevinson7087]

We need a desert racing clutch, need more power and speed

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Definitely need a turbo for the unit. It's way under power for that. The trail clutch kit from msc helps but only if you're racing other like style units.

[@grantstevinson7087]

@@sxsoutcast7651 Once a turbo kit comes out I wanna see if this engine will be able to take the power of it or if will throw a rod. If it can take the power I’m gettin me one

[@herbf2700]

You need to save up for the Super Villain. Thats the kind of driving its made for. Its the kind of driving *I* do and I gotta say I'm tempted.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@herbf2700 I don't think I need 250hp tho. I know some ppl waiting for it. Personally, I would like about 25 more hp. And I think I'd be good. Someone I know is working on an aftermarket turbo with about 5psi boost. That should give me what I need.

[@jeff-r9z]

Did you say you’re 5’ 16” ? Lol

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Yup. Lol

[@kiltnoffroad]

Great Video!! Ok are ya ready? now keep in mind this is my opinion, also coming from a different machine owner (getting the Villain soon i hope), but they all work about the same. So this is advice coming from someone to me and they have YEARS of experience!!! 1- the tires..... you would probably do better with 33" tires. The reason is, you don't have to clutch the machine and its the prefect balance of ride height vs power loss. 2- The clutch- Put the original clutch back in and run 33" tires. now this is just an opinion here, but NOBODY has ever designed an aftermarket clutch that is as good as the stock clutch in ANY machine. sooner or later they all blow out!! i'm talking about aftermarket blowing out not the stock clutch. 3- the belt- either go with the stock belt or if you are going for after market look at "Hunter works" belts. Their youtube channel is GREAT FOR INFO!!!! 4- your clutch leak- just an idea--- Go to Nappa or O'Riley's, wherever and get "gasket making material" and make your own. maybe use high temp RTV on the backside of the gasket. it may have been the heat generated that had something to do with the part failure. just a thought... but that's a possible fix "if" it's just faulty material. so to fix the power problem- 33" tires, stock clutch and stock or a hunter works belt. BUT- you need a quality belt and they will cost you. either stock or a hunter works belt. thats personal experience talking. but you will get your power back with those 3 things. Machine smoking- PCV valve sounds like that could be the culprit. if it's an external, you could always pull it and try to match it up with another from the automotive industry. the gas gauge- you are still getting fuel. my machine does it all the time when going up steep inclines. its just the gas indicator arm on the pump, you are still getting the normal amount of fuel pick up. this is common with every machine that i know of. suspension- please do not get "limiting straps"!! you likely just need to adjust yours and it will take some time to do. limiting straps are just a bad idea for the kind of riding you and i both do and enjoy. You may want to get with "Shock Therapy". you can visit their KZbin channel or website, but they are #1 in SXS suspension. that's all i got for ya brother!! Thank you again for such an honest review!!!! really hope to meet up with ya!! I will be launching my new channel here pretty soon. well not new channel, just a "re-naming or re-branding of the current one" i think you'll enjoy it, i'm good at being stupid on camera :)

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Thanks for the advice. I appreciate all I get. I have the OEM belt back on it but I'm in need of some parts like the weight cups and the rubber shim/bumpers on the primary cover. As for looking goofy on a camera, I do that for sure and my wife thinks it too. "How can you do that", easy. I don't think ppl care as long as you are honest and keeping it simple.

[@kiltnoffroad]

@@sxsoutcast7651 AMEN!!! man you are pretty entertaining in my opinion. Keep on keep'n on and gitt'n down with the git down!

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@kiltnoffroad you're to kind my friend.

[@mjmisadventures950]

Great video bud. I know why you had issues. Your tires are backwards 😂.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Maybe I should sell them to you.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Or maybe I was in reverse. Lol. How ya doing mike

[@jermainephillips5179]

35in tires and rock rawling.any belt gonna give up the ghost eventually. 1000 cc machine weighing 1900 lbs.thats brutal on it e en in low range.tires killing your driveline...

[@sxsoutcast7651]

That's true but not at 25 miles. Lol

[@rudeboy2581]

Crazy seeing your rig pretty much bone stock.

[@sxsoutcast7651]

@@rudeboy2581 I know, right. Now it's sitting in the garage with a flat. Lol

[@jermainephillips5179]

Or you could just stay out of the steep climbs..have fun no need go push the envelope.lol

[@sxsoutcast7651]

Pushing it is what I like. The belt wasn't nearly right, way too thin and not even wide enough. My fault tho

[@yasintosun7445]

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[@sxsoutcast7651]

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