2/28/24 Cannon Fodder

[@AlexJ1]

We need a full episode of Colon Fodder

[@TheGlassCannon]

We do not.

[@Lioneldehetre]

I rarely agree with the GCP but on this I can 100% get behind.

[@mikeminutillo4588]

You could get more behind with a Colon Fodder 😉

[@imjordanhanzon]

Yes! Please leave the rules discussion in the episodes. My party is learning PF2e and we're watching y'all to learn. It's super helpful! Thank you.

[@TheGlassCannon]

Thank you!

[@FarzadFarzamfar]

Troy, you are one the money with the editing. We don't want a flawless, edited ep. Those rule stumbles are interesting, helpful and often a source of fun and laughter.

[@RumpinRufus]

I will disagree - rules discussions are BY FAR my least favorite part of the shows (and I'm even the kind of super-nerd that used to hang out in the Paizo Rules forum.) I would love at least one highly-edited show that skips the boring parts and focuses on story/banter/action while editing out all the mechanical stuff.

[@lorenzovaletti4951]

I agree completely, leave the discussions there! Those are an important part of the ttrpg play experience. Provided they don't drag too long and are respectful they are 100% legit.

[@Drasla92]

Been around since Ep 10 of Giantslayer, and its so nice to see these guys continue to succeed. From an apartment living room podcast to selling out retreat-style $ weekends

[@TheGlassCannon]

Thanks!

[@h0ckey87]

After watching all of Gatewalkers, I'm binging Giantslayers. Man it's a treat to know, I have so much content ahead to listen to, I'm on episode 52!

[@rockwallguy]

I'm so glad you mentioned that you leave the rules discussing in. It's one of my favorite parts about your show.

[@tylercomstock1893]

Thanks for the shout-out about animating the healing scene. I crack up every time I picture Bugles in the background saying, "they're killing her!"

[@orionfox1984]

I liked the way the Marvel stream had little pop-ups explaining the skills and powers for the audience. Any chance of getting something like that on Gatewalkers?

[@danielslack4078]

I love find the path's information reveal. He does an amazing job. You can describe the start block abilities in a visual, historical, and anecdotecal ways.. i agree with you guys that prone is a condition of your body not the location of touching the ground so a floating ball IMHO wouldn't need to stand on nonexistent legs or suffer penalties for no mechanical reason but you gotta do what you gotta do.

[@bmw120k]

Agree with FtP way of doing recall knowledge. Man, I hate saying steal ideas from other podcasts, but honestly that makes it feel like a home game lol. As a DM I steal from the lets plays I watch all the time. Find the path nails the recall knowledge where it feels like the players get useful things but the DM still gets to hold back by setting separate things like DR or spell like. That and I can listen to Rick read the Undead traits at 10x speed any day.

[@alltradesjack502]

My comment got a nod from Joe! 35:40 Moving up in the Naish

[@TidyOldChap]

we absolutely need more animated shorts, just re watched a couples of them. Discombobulated for those who remember. just so perfect ! but what i really need animated is Jim the bush scene, then brother Ramius taking the roach on the ground. pure gold !

[@mr.e.knight42]

The shorts format would be perfect, for sure!

[@thorinbane]

Those shorts could lead to monetization like Sydney's doing math. It would probably be at least a money neutral production if they had them once a month, or regular schedule so we could expect it. Maybe drop on a Monday when we are in the middle of waiting for not subscription members content.

[@JaSchwaE]

Troy should consider turning on PF2e Animation macros. It automates the JB2a animations and links them to specific spells like the mentioned fireball. Loving the content!

[@KingFate20]

Sadly Automated Animations isn't being developed anymore. So any new spells will have to be done manually going forward. Heck, the renamed spells in the Remaster might get broken since Sequencer pings off of an effect's name.

[@investigatingdwarf]

@@KingFate20 Automated Animations might not be getting developed anymore but spells don't get done by that module. Pf2e Animations is the module that maps animations to skills and some new ones were added into the autorec recently.

[@lorenzovaletti4951]

ahh that's too bad

[@scottgrubbs9028]

Joe’s gotta go! Joe’s gotta go… get ready for that poop!

[@andrewmaher9439]

I can not contain my excitement for the bird shirt. I look forward to telling everyone about it's origin whether they ask me or not.

[@Hardy_Harrr]

I bet Troy ends all his BMs with a big cliffhanger

[@househikephotography]

I really enjoy the Lore recall knowledge. Its a nice way to learn more about the world.

[@christopherwagner2963]

Come on Colorado! Buy those tickets! Show these guys our love for TTRPG's

[@Kopfschuss451]

Absolutely need an animaed short of the "I'm not the boss. In fact, I've never been the boss." Brother Rameus scene.

[@JeremyC198]

Gate Walkers for sure pulled me back in! Since i cant get enough, im on my 2nd listen to Giant Slayer while I wait for more gate walkers

[@househikephotography]

Love the idea of a Live show recap!!

[@paulfoth]

The opening bant made me remember that old SNL commercial for Colon Blow.

[@thorinbane]

3 bowls, 4? Nope try again. 5 bowls, 7??? The mountain under Hartman is hilarious and reminds me of qbert...man I am old.

[@paulfoth]

I like how his "Just give me the answer already!" look gets more intense with each wrong guess. (Yes, old we are. And I didn't even go back to Shimmer or the Bass-O-Matic.)

[@Megalojohn33]

I would love to see you come to North or South Carolina. I live in southwest Virginia, but those would be bigger markets for you to come to, so I could be able to see you live. I am going through Giantslayer whenever I drive and love the old stuff. I am in episode 81 and love Nester and Willamette.

[@TheGlassCannon]

We were in Asheville last year!

[@lorenzovaletti4951]

C2 keeps getting better and better!

[@AJBernard]

Great… now I need to play a sorcerer named Geneticus!

[@JackieG0985]

Congrats on selling out Naishville! I hope I can go next time (stupid friends getting married).

[@TheGlassCannon]

Thanks! See you at the next one!

[@michaelletwin9996]

I'm a relatively new fan, found out about the GCN from my buddies I play PF2E with, they're going to the liveshow. I've become hooked on alot of your shows. Toronto comicon is happening the same weekend as your Toronto show. Do you guys go to comicons as regualr attendees and if so what's your favourite part?

[@gnorley]

Boss fight episode: Evo Kineepo

[@Austinor]

Myself and 3 friends are doing KC VIP, and then for the main show we have 6 total! Trying to help sell it out! Funny because we did go up for the St. Louis show too, much closer this time around :)

[@TheGlassCannon]

AMAZING! See you there!

[@Freeze014]

when you gain a new focus spell ( really only via a feat ), you automatically gain a focus point, up to a maximum of three focus points.

[@BlueSapphyre]

Psychics get to cheat by starting with 2 fps and get the 3rd at level 5. And they refocus 2 fps instead of the normal 1.

[@orionfox1984]

Bought my tickets to the KC show. First show ever, so excited! Driving down from Omaha! Be forewarned... The whole city smells like pot!

[@russellcharlton7814]

Instead of AC 38 you can describe the situation and add that the character is not all certain what any of them are able to hit or damage the creature.

[@investigatingdwarf]

I'm 100% buying that shirt.

[@paydronian]

Well, damn. For the life of me I could not find where to buy tickets for the retreat. I watched the fod where it was announced but I don't remember them saying anything about first dibs on discord.

[@TheGlassCannon]

Our intention was to offer it to subscribers through the Discord first and then put it out there for everyone, but it sold out immediately.

[@paydronian]

@@TheGlassCannon No worries, I had missed the Discord notification. I'm happy it sold out so fast. Hopefully that means you'll do it again. I'll plan to scoop some tickets for next year.

[@16racing25]

Doesn’t the remaster spell out exactly what you get on recall knowledge?

[@Lioneldehetre]

I’m a late comer to the Fod. Been a listener since the way back times of you guys sweating it out in small apartments with shitty sound. I must say I look forward to the Fods every week to hear the down and dirty of the process.

[@TheGlassCannon]

Thanks, OG!

[@mr.e.knight42]

My calendar is marked for 03/16 to drop some cash on 'naish merch!

[@NerdishNature]

Yaaay, I’ve been levelling two new characters in preparation for the Elden ring DLC while listening to “legacy of the ancients” - perfect combination 😊 looking forward to the streams!

[@klorpdonk]

Yes please do more Strange Aeons! Streaming is great!

[@kekuhaupio1]

Im gonna try to come this year. Im saving as much as i can to get a VIP ticket and finally meet my heroes, hopefully im not dissapointed.... i wont be right???

[@dmeep]

If the standard is 0 for small and 10 for large then any deviation from that in the statblocks supersedes the standard. if they only have it if its in their statblock then its not a standard and merely common for all creatures of size X to have Y ft reach.

[@KingFate20]

When it comes to Recalling Knowledge I let the players ask 2 questions on a Crit Fail or a Success (also on a regular fail if they have Dubious Knowledge) and on a Crit Success I let them ask 2 or 3. If there is something I think is very important to know on a Crit Success I will tell them that first. If they ask about Resistances and there are non, I will give them a weakness if there are any. If neither apply I will let them know something damage type related like how to turn off a creatures regeneration or if a certain damage type will gain rider effect like sickened or slowed (ala Frogemoth). I treat it like the "What do I hit it with?" question. I will give the name first and then some lore. I will usually include in that lore what plane the creature is from. I give a lot of info because lets be honest, 80% of creatures will only be experienced by a player once, so I want them to know how cool the monsters are too.

[@BlueSapphyre]

RAW The PC gets to ask 2 questions on a crit success, 1 question on a success, and 1 question on a crit failure in which you give them false information. With dubious knowledge, you get 2 questions on a failure, one answered truthfully, the other is false information.

[@KingFate20]

@@BlueSapphyre I know and explicitly don't run it that way. I give them MORE information. Even the way I run it, the chances that a player spends an action, succeeds at the check, AND gets useful information that anyone in the party can benefit from is fleetingly low. Asking for an action and heavy investment in otherwise useless skills for what often is just finding out a weakest save feels bad. Especially when you could just throw a Demoralize/Trip/Grapple and get a chance at doing something while feeling out their saves based on the degree of success.

[@BlueSapphyre]

@@KingFate20 Sure. House rules are fine. Just leaving the comment for anyone else that's reading to know what the actual rules are.

[@therantinggm-gd8ty]

The actual rule is: "A character who successfully identifies a creature learns one of its best-known attributes-such as a troll’s regeneration (and the fact that it can be stopped by acid or fire) or a manticore’s tail spikes. On a critical success, the character also learns something subtler, like a demon’s weakness or the trigger for one of the creature’s reactions." Or they can ask specific questions like "What's its worse save?" or "What is it weak to?" Players can also try again "After a success, further uses of Recall Knowledge can yield more information, but you should adjust the difficulty to be higher for each attempt. Once a character has attempted an incredibly hard check or failed a check, further attempts are fruitless-the character has recalled everything they know about the subject." Not only does this help GM's determine what they're going to tell the party, but it also helps them figure what piece of wrong information to give on a crit fail, or when players use the Dubious Knowledge feat.

[@graysonc8154]

Well I guess I'll have to snag a ticket to the Austin show before they're gone!

[@TheGlassCannon]

Get on it!

[@GuitarGuyNick]

so with recall knowledge, the thing i do. is if its a success. they can ask anything about the stat block but its one piece of information. if its a crit two pieces of information. if its a failure they cant recall and crit fail its misinformation.

[@snuzzlebumble]

I do agree more with Troy that giving specific numbers on things like Resistances kinda takes you out of the narrative a bit. If a creature has, say, Resistance 5 Bludgeoning and Resistance 10 Fire, you could be like: This creature's thick hide is a little difficult to bludgeon and is very heat resistant. I feel like that gives the information narratively without just stating the numbers.

[@BlueSapphyre]

I agree on the specific numbers. But the general "In your past studies, you know that this is weak to fire." doesn't seem like it removes the narrative.

[@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb]

Great stuff! WB Troy. I had some thoughts about Zephyr that might be worth checking out. I think in the past you mentioned having her drop a bow to get out of monastic archer stance - I don’t think she has to do that. You can perform unarmed attacks while holding a weapon (feet, legs, knees, etc). I think Zephyr could do her usual round (stance, flurry with bows), then if needed, on a subsequent round move up do flurry with legs/feet (which drops her out of stance since it violates stance) while still holding her bow. I think she could even do a stunning strike. You need to check my math, but I think it works. It would be more flexible and really cinematic! Zephyr unleashes her arrows, then runs in performing a series of roundhouse kicks and stuns her opponent!

[@yellowpetelol6417]

The stance itself restricts her to only making bow strikes, and you can't just drop out of it for free - only by violating its requirements or entering another stance.

[@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb]

@petelol6417 Isn't making only bow strikes one of the requirements? I think it is meant to be that making bow strikes to REMAIN in the stance, not exit. " While in this STANCE, the only Strikes you can make are those using longbows, shortbows, or bows with the monk trait...A stance lasts until you get knocked out, until its requirements (if any) are violated."

[@yellowpetelol6417]

@@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb No, the Requirements are a separate block in the beginning of the feat and specifically called out as such: you must be unarmored and wielding a bow. Everything after that, including the sentence you quoted, describes the effects of the stance, not its requirements.

[@sagiangrey]

@@yellowpetelol6417the remaster now indicates spending an action to leave a stance, which is a helpful addition to the rules.

[@wade138]

Man, I'd love to see y'all live but I think I'd rather get kicked in the crotch a dozen times than drive up I-35 North into Austin from San Antonio. It always feels like San Antonio is the shameful cousin of Texas cities. I see live acts play Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston and Austin all the time and totally skip San Antonio. It's a real bummer.

[@nicholasarmstrong2481]

PM your DM your BM

[@thorinbane]

Hate to mention this again. But focus and other meta currency brings me out of immersion. A lot of PF2 is reminiscent of 4e. If Troy was forcing them forward without all the down time we would have a lot of tpks and no podcast. So a sense of urgency is often removed from the podcast because we need to stop and allow the characters to remarshall all their resources or die.

[@thorinbane]

That does in some cases allow great moments like Joe and Skids moment in 23. However that doesn't have to be between kicking down doors, but can be actual downtime that the GM makes time for. A lot of adventure paths don't allow for those moments because pushing to the next fight is at the core of Pathfinder. Though strength of thousands is not at all like that.Good AP for quality RP. In Toronto head south to Oakville and if KB sushi is still there it was amazing 10 years back.

[@origami_dream]

Wild that Troy kept using "they" and "it" (which, sidenote, is maybe not ideal but whatever, inhuman monster [if sentient being with identity] it's fine enough) here and Joe *still,* however many episodes later, hasn't picked up on... Kaneepo's not a "he"... and then Troy starts doing it too, a bit, before changing back but not actually *correcting* himself. I wonder if the group will find themselves still going down the self-imposed red herring route of the farmer lady talking about "they" and thinking that's multiple people in coming episodes. It's... kinda getting to the point of frustration for me. You... you can just correct it. You have before with femme characters who get assumed to be masc because of how Troy voices them. So why not here? You can just do a quick, "Sorry, *they."* It's not a spoiler, we already know they have agency and are sentient, clearly. So why do they not get the same treatment? To predict any potential chuddy responses: no i'm not offended on behalf of a fictional character (hell, i'm not offended; i'm...tired). Obviously they're not hurt by it. But it's a direct illustration of what i get to deal with every needling day. And that... isn't fun. I get *plenty* of that in my day-to-day life. I do *not* have a thin skin about it; we truly can't, or we'd... be dead. But i feel... just a tiny bit less-than; a tiny bit othered; every time someone assumes "they" must mean plural somehow. Every time the "default" identity is assumed to be "he". So, *especially* after the fact, you can just... correct that. It's real easy. It's one interjection, rather than constantly (more or less) subtly using the right words while others don't. And people... feel worse. Also, mitigating factor, to be fair: the -o suffix, among English-speakers, especially Americans, who are more just used to Romance names, really does make it tough. It's messed me up a few times when reading and thinking about the book. Errors are fine. No one minds those. We just... want a base amount of effort and respect. I kinda wish they'd named them something else. I dunno. Kaneepay. Mm. Delicious. That makes it harder, but that's fine. No one's perfect; no one's expecting perfection. Just... correct it. Please. Please? I'm actually *begging. PLEASE?*

[@thatJoshieJosh]

Hey, thanks for saying this. The Naish is pretty awesome people but despite that you might get some "annoyed backlash/defensiveness" on the internet [gasp] but since happenstance brought me to your comment shortly after its posting and before any other comments, just wanted to reinforce you. I had noticed Troy using the proper they pronoun and have appreciated his conscious efforts in this campaign and a couple other examples as well. We all know Joe is just not picking up on it because he is stupid and needs every detail of a game spoonfed to him (/sarc), but I absolutely agree a simple correction is due, ex "actually, I think I've misspoke referring to Keneepo as a 'he' before myself, but your character would know from your previous Recall Knowledge check that Keneepo is actually a non-binary gender, I have been trying to remember to refer to them with they/them pronouns. That was purposeful in referring to Keneepo individually, I wasn't speaking in plural sense at those times."

[@thatJoshieJosh]

Ah, I remember: Matthew played a non-binary character in the Paranoia game and the whole group was real solid on remembering to use they/them. I'm sure Gatewalkers being a bigger production and the character not being a PC makes it a little more difficult to remember or to think of correcting, but nonetheless I have been impressed by the GCP crew's attentiveness in general.

[@origami_dream]

@@thatJoshieJosh Thank you for saying that back. Nice to see it instead of said annoyed defensiveness at daring to criticize a thing. Yes, i appreciate Troy's efforts. He's done great, i think, and i don't think anyone's being a jerk or anything, here, to be fully clear if it wasn't already. Joe's... a bit innocently oblivious here, is the absolute worst i'd say or think. And that's fully understandable given the... lack of correction thing. I really do appreciate this show and think they're lovely people. I agree, i think that lil Recall Knowledge bit would be an excellent way to do it. Not that i expect it'll really matter since this is backdated, but yeah. I don't even remember if Troy had gone 'he' early on; it only occurred to me when the 'they must mean plural' thing happened and it made me read the AP out of curiosity, for that and the fod talk about what all Troy was doing with that bit of the adventure. But yeah, totally fine to get it wrong. Just... needs a quick correction is all; a not just letting it stand. Super quick and easy. I'll have to check out that Paranoia game next. I've been slowly getting through the backlog of other campaigns now i'm caught up on this one.

[@signmypig]

I went to know what they've missed! Clearly I've missed it too...