2.2L DODGE OMNI GLHS TURBO-FULL DRAG STRIP AND CHASSIS DYNO RESULTS-T2-SWAP OMNI (STOCK VS STG2 ECU)

FULL DRAG STRIP AND CHASSIS DYNO RESULTS. HOW MUCH WHEEL POWER DOES A STOCK SHELBY 2.2L T2 (RATED AT 175 FLYWHEEL) REALLY MAKE? ACTUAL CHASSIS DYNO RESULTS OF A TURBO OMNI! 2.2L TURBO DYNO RESULTS. HOW MUCH BOOST DOES THE STAGE 2 ECU MAKE? STOCK VS STAGE 2 ECU TEST! DATA LOGGED BOOST CURVES & AIR/FUEL CURVES. GREAT 2.2L TURBO DODGE INFO. MADE 6 RUNS AT THE DRAG STRIP IN FULL STOCK TRIM. CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO ON THE OMNI GLHS-SWAPPED 1985 GLH TURBO (SANTE FE BLUE GLHS CLONE). DRAG STRIP AND CHASIS DYNO RESULTS FROM MY TRIP TO SDAC 32 THANKS TO THE CAR FARM, BRIAN TOOLEY RACING AND SHORTUNING!

[@mpalleschi2007]

It was great to meet you at SDAC! Your first run was against my Neon.

[@richardholdener1727]

that Neon motored

[@mpalleschi2007]

Thanks! It's been swapped to an automatic, so that's why you don't hear me rowing gears.

[@turboc87gn]

That's awesome mark!!!!

[@scottersandman6408]

in the late '80s i saw an Omni that broke out on a 1/4 mi with a high 9 second run. The car had koni shocks and slicks. striped interior. It was in a Mopar mag from the day. The cylinder head was a special Mopar creation. God rest your soul Klaus.

[@2ndsspz]

I appreciate that you dont dwell on the LS scene, Im not anti LS guy, but I enjoy your open mind to HP

[@reliant_turbo]

the stage 2 computer targets 13.7psi boost vs 12 and at a lower RPM as well (s2 11psi to 3000rpm and then 13.7... stock, 8psi to 3500 and then ramps to 12 at 5000). depending on how long it was from the battery being disconnected to when the dyno runs were performed can effect boost (autotune boost adaptives) , as well as vacuum line leaks. The stage 2 is programmed a little leaner from 5psi on up as well and has 2 more degrees of timing. the stage 2 also allows for 2.8 sec of overboost rather than .25 sec before shutdown. and you would know when it hits shutdown... it shuts off power to the coil, injectors and fuel pump. its violent.

[@richardholdener1727]

makes me wonder if the dyno boost gauge was reading high

[@nedbranson4938]

Stage2 ecu was for a full 2BAR, 14.7psi…

[@tiitsaul9036]

I'm happy to see that dodge hatch thing is alive.

[@barryhuddlestun3098]

I was just on your chat group. I kind of bounced around by accidently touching the screen. So I had to search your Omni. Looks like a fun little build. AWESOME

[@JohnThomas-vb9se]

I bet that thing is a blast to drive around. The world needs more of these types of cars. I had a turbo Lazer that was an 85 or 86 model and later on an 89 Probe Gt that was 4 cylinder turbo. I had so much fun in both of those cars.

[@albertgaspar627]

Always loved a stick shift "hot hatch" car. couldn't tow much with it, but i could enter a swap meet, sleep in the back with mosquito netting (like an 86 GT Mustang and others), and fill the trunk with cheap engine blocks and headers and so on before the gates opened to the buying public.

[@makeitmatt]

The stage 2 typically has boost cut but it allows the boost to exceed the limit longer than the stock ECU before it cuts the ignition.

[@josmith213]

Correct, hence why everyone just used a boost controller with a vacuum hose from the waste gate actuator to a vacuum source and skipped the factory solenoids. That was one of the first things I did on many turbo dodge cars besides replace the fuel lines from the rail to the firewall and new motor mounts and those stretchy joint CV axles from Napa worked great

[@alexlevy322]

Nice. Inowned a 1986 GLH Turbo, same Palimino blue color. I installed the stage 2 computer. It didnt have an intercooler. Just stock setup. Had to sell it to pay for my wedding. Still miss it badly😢😢

[@kylemilligan752]

Now, drop the exhaust at the turbo, and Dyno again :) I'm with the suggestion of a manual boost controller also, to add consistency to the tests. Reference the boost controller from the intake/throttle body, rather than the compressor housing for just a little more:)

[@JimHuston-s7r]

Bought it brand new in 1986 and loved it. Currently parked next to my original green all matching,tank stickered '67, 427 tri-powered corvette fastback (green like Biden's). I'm thinking about repainting it some other color.

[@anthonyslaughter1728]

My first car was a 85 with a 1.6L pushrod engine and 4spd. Love this. It was an Omni Peugeot motor. Vw also had a 1.7 in them as well.

[@srica7366]

The first fast car I had a ride in in when I was 15 in 1986. It started the turbo itch. 1990 a friend had a 4bbl blow through 240Z and shortly after I did too.

[@terrygrzyb5488]

My Dad worked at Chrysler HQ in Auburn Hills. He was able to get me an experimental brain for my 86 Shelby. I was warned it would eat my trans. At 3k when the boost kicks in it would bury my guage (15psi) untill the turbo wound up then it would back down to 12psi. Most of my fun was from a rolling start. Even then it did tear up the trans. I could keep up with the 5.0 mustangs!

[@linoleumshake]

This vid brings the nostalgia back. I remember way back when there was a brown Omni on the cover of sport compact car magazine and iirc it ran 13’s for 3k. Budget drag cars highlighted. My sister had a Plymouth horizon but refused to let my brother and I dink with it. Missed opportunities!

[@josmith213]

Im so glad Richard is doing actual dyno numbers, so tired of hearing oh this info is already known, Donovan did it already blah blah, then everyone just repeats that ancinet semi accurate info. He never changed a part then dynoed it, he was just guessing by weight and 1/4 times. So happy someone is getting actual data

[@DavidWeinberg-cm9xd]

My 85' did 12.9 before I got a hold of it, at the ripe old age of 18? Early 90's this was, would have done anything to get that little sleeper back? My favorite vehicle I've ever owned, hands down? This video is making me practically cry?

[@FrankFitzpatrick-rh5dh]

Dodge dealer here : the reason the " Stage 2 " computer is pulling boost is because , The car starts shortening the fuel pulses after a certain pound of boost . Get a "Fuel Cut Defencer" and a good intercooler and you will make sooo much power with the stock block that your transaxle will now be the weak link. I had a stock GLH-S & had Reeves Callaway make & give me an intercooler for it . I made a boost adjuster , put on a Fuel Cut Defencer , plumbed the intake into the cowl for cooler air , Flowmaster cat-back and the thing was Soo fast I was grenading gears out of the transaxle 💣 It would smoke the tires up to 60+ m.p.h. I had to put 4 -"R"Spec. tires on it 😎

[@richardholdener1727]

we never got into fuel cut

[@allenl9031]

Torque steer, woot! Shades of my old Quad4.

[@thman6453]

That's not bad especially in such a small light car

[@ztwntyn8]

My grandpa had a 85 turbo z and boost cut at 5500 stock and with stage two computer cut was at 6500 is what he told me. Boost went from 7psi up to 12 psi with the ecu change as per the stock gauge. There was a big difference. I still have the aftermarket ecu.

[@mcm95403]

Great seeing you do this! Now it's time for a Super 60 kit and3" exhaust.

[@kylecurry6841]

My uncle had a Omni (non-Shelby) when I was a kid... As a kid I always confused these cars with VW Rabbits.. Good O'l K-Cars

[@NESDwayne]

I bought a 1987 CSX a few years back and always seemed to me like it was boosting higher than it should (16psi). Makes me think the last owner may have upgraded the ECU

[@Mike-xt2ot]

On those old dodge turbo 2.2 or 2.5 Cars used to be really fun to drive. You could do a small vacuum leak in the map sensor vacuum line and it would act like an adjustable boost controller. Take the hose off and drive then come back for a head gasket !😂

[@619omni]

I'm not the biggest fan of the stock pcm controlling boost, I put aftermarket boost controllers on all of my turbo dodges, but the stock does a decent job. The computer has to "learn" how to control the boost, so if you just straight swapped the "stage 2" pcm in there, without it relearning the boost curve, then that could be the cause of the boost spike on the stage 2 computer.

[@christophersine84]

I always wanted one of those

[@ThePontiacgto65]

You know in France it's was the simca (Talbot)horizon also fwd but no turbo motor, in uk it was the talbot sunbeam only two doors ,lotus motor and Rwd (more a clone like really the same model)

[@BearFulmer]

I was going to guess not enough flow on the wastegate, that used to be one of the original modifications from Mitsubishis even on the small turbos, porting out where the wastegate flows right through the cast o2 outlet pipe to the downpipe, and that became even more important if you had additional exhaust flow because it could creep

[@mikem9536]

2.2L-2.3L 4 banger seems to be the sweet spot for Turbos.

[@robwwhit3453]

My stock 86 GLHS Omni ran 14.7 @ 94 mph on its two first passes, 2800 rpms on the launch shifting at 6000rpm, you should be able to duplicate this when you get it running right. Blue looks good!

[@richardholdener1727]

tach did not work at the drag strip

[@rocketsurgeon11]

Check the vacuum system. You have to have all the right restrictors and T's in the right places and the hoses oriented correctly on the solenoids. Depending on whether you kept the stock solenoids or it has later ones in it can mess with how well it controls the boost. My bet is there's something amiss giving the rising boost curve. You are not hitting boost cut. As Brian pointed out below, you'd know it if you were. It shuts off the ignition and fuel and it bucks around real bad. Not a fun time. On the S2 computer and the falling boost, my bet is that you are seeing the restriction of the stock exhaust. I actually expected a higher torque number, and sooner in the rpm range, which also makes me thing there's something wrong with the vacuum system. Of course none of my own modified turbo MOPARs have the stock vacuum system on them anymore...I simplify them down to about 5 and run a manual boost controller. When that turbo hits...it hits HARD! LOL 291ftlb at the wheels on 22psi at something like 3000rpm on an otherwise stock engine 2.2 TII (it does have all the supporting mods). It is a spike, but it still holds it pretty well making over 220whp for over a 2000+rpm range.

[@richardholdener1727]

it has all the stock solenoids and fittings (for smog), but we suspect a cracked plastic vacuum line or possibly tension on the waste gate actuator

[@CarportGarageDragRacing]

And that dyno reads quite a bit lower than most other dyno's in the area. I think they call those dyno dynamics the heart breaker of dynos.

[@christopherhinkel8274]

I almost bought one of these in the day, insurance cost was a problem for me to take a pass. Although, nice to see what it's capable of here.

[@ytwatcher8288]

Won a SCCA state autocross championship driving a borrowed stock GLH after driving around the parking lot for about a minute. Sooo easy to drive...

[@kylemilligan752]

X2 my Intercooled GLH with 3in exhaust and stg2 ecm ran in CSP(class C, StreetPrepared) on sticky tires. It was the dominant car in it's class. ACR Neons couldn't touch it

[@ytwatcher8288]

@@kylemilligan752 9 Porsches found out how dominant that little red four-door was at that event 😂

[@kylemilligan752]

@@ytwatcher8288 Oh, I know:) I showed up at a Porsche vs Corvette event put on by our SCCA group. They let me run "fun runs" at the end of the day. Was two seconds off the fastest road race C4 on big sticky slicks. This autocross was on an old navy airstrip, with my top speeds approaching 80-85. The Vette and Porsche guys got mad. Ruled that you had to be in competition that day to make "fun runs" afterwardd

[@kylemilligan752]

@@ytwatcher8288 Last event I ran was a 2 day SCCA OctoberFast in 1997ish. Bunch of 79-84 RX7 racecars, and Neon ACR's track cars on slicks in my class. Embarrassed them, won my class, and was within 1.5 sec of fastest time of day overall. My GLH was a weapon on sticky tires

[@kylemilligan752]

@@ytwatcher8288 By the way, the GLH was my daily driver

[@nedbranson4938]

Factory power was 175/175, but the Shelby Stage 2 ecu claimed to make 200hp/210tq. Looks like they aren’t far off. As far as boost cutout, I’ve run 18psi on a Stage2 ecu with a manual boost controller with no issues.

[@mikedimaio1237]

Great car Richard, I hope you daily drive it.

[@MonkeyFabGarage]

That’s really cool. Congratulations

[@nedaCFilms]

Awesome video Rich!!!!

[@JimBronson]

GLHS.... Goes like hell somemore

[@Doc_Fischer]

Had a guy named Stan the Man that had the machine shop do a bunch of work for a SCCA car. 305 pistons and rods lightened all to hell. Lots of port work , o/s valves. Thing scooted .

[@RogerCrawford-bh7bq]

my hometown track wish I would’ve known

[@ryandoyle4344]

0:59 Daytona looks like my first, but w/o the snowflake wheels. The torque steer may have aided the alignment pull.

[@zackjay71]

Be careful. The head gasket will need to be replaced often. My 88 New Yorker Turbo had a new head gasket every 20,000 miles. And that was stock and normal driving.

[@mfree80286]

That torque steer... have you centered the engine yet? I don't remember the actual measurement values but it's a *really* important step in avoiding torque steer, and eventually in not binding the CVs up and blowing them apart in turns.

[@lcq4blackstar]

When the car was on the dyno I paused at (8:16) the live data screen, showed 78.8 ambient and IAT at 79.3? I thought this wasn't intercooled and even then those numbers are closer than I would think possible on a boosted car, was the live data correct in all fields? Nice numbers BTW! Like seeing the progress on this OMNI!

[@richardholdener1727]

there was no IAC measured in this testing and this was an intercooled 2.2l t2

[@firebirdjone]

Looks like Edgewater, my old stomping grounds. What are you doing in Cleves Ohio Richard? I sure do miss that place, especially given the fact that dragstrips are drying up out West now.

[@richardholdener1727]

SDAC 32 EVENT

[@2010HarleyDynaFXD]

Looks like Edgewater race park in Cincinnati Ohio you would get to meet James Reeves in his black Dodge Omni Racing Tracy and Ken from Ohio Valley Shelby chapter My brother and I where in it we both had a Spirit. My lil brother had a Spirit R/T DOHC 2.2L I still own my Spirit ES SOHC 2.5L turbo.

[@richardholdener1727]

I think it was

[@hondatech5000]

I bet that computer upgrade registers like 75hp on the butt dyno 😂 lover track and chassis stuff

[@nucleargrizzly1776]

A friend added 20ish hp to his late 60's Lotus Elan (1500 lbs). Felt like 100 hp.

[@hondatech5000]

@@nucleargrizzly177615% moparwer @4500 may be a better way to look at it.

[@theinsaneshecklador6598]

My friend has a 89 Shelby CSX VNT. AFAIK it's more or less the same basic engine but with a variable nozzle turbo and it also has lightweight fiberglass wheels for less rotational mass. It's been 20+ years but I remember his ECU upgrade feeling very strong at the time.

[@nucleargrizzly1776]

@@hondatech5000 I'm thinking power to weight ratio.

[@hondatech5000]

@@nucleargrizzly1776 o ya 15% power increase on a 1 ton vehicle way more feel than 2 ton

[@Slowv8Fiero]

I thought this was gonna have the david vizard head on it.

[@richardholdener1727]

we start stock

[@Slowv8Fiero]

@@richardholdener1727 gotcha. 10-4

[@bcbloc02]

I bet the stage 2 runs more timing in the low rpm than the stock one and that dropped egt and thus turbo response and there went the bottom end torque

[@richardholdener1727]

more timing that would add power would somehow mean less response? Nope

[@bcbloc02]

@@richardholdener1727I bet if you made steady state load pulls at 2500 rpm the stage 2 with the extra timing would make more power than the stock. But on an accelerating load the advanced timing causes lower egts and thus turbo lag which shows up as lower power versus the stock tune. On my truck stock timing is 12 deg but I can advance it to 17 with a switch. It drives and spools way better with the lower timing and makes more torque at a lower rpm even though it drops 50hp closer to peak power versus the advanced timing. The idle and cruising egts are 200deg less with the advanced timing and that causes lag

[@richardholdener1727]

this change in response was from temperature of the turbo, and I have tested many times and never seen an instance where a motor that made more torque down low in na trim didn't also add boost response.

[@bcbloc02]

@@richardholdener1727 But why was the temperature of the turbo different? Was it just hurried testing that prevented you from being able to get everything normalized yo start the run or was it colder from timing advance? Chicken or egg 😎

[@richardholdener1727]

Say it with me-engine and turbo temperature

[@carybarrett53]

Nice color blue

[@sweetroscoeful]

Best time I've gotten with my stock CSX-VNT is 15.2ish @ 92-ish mph. Always felt I could break into the 14's with a better launch, but I haven't been able to get under 2.2 60'. (My old Daytona I could get low 2.0's, as it seemed easier to launch/liked a bit of wheel spin). I do think I suffer from boost creep w/ the VNT, with my boost gauge being more or less pegged. (past 15pis) ot sure if it helps as the turbo is pretty small, so unsure if it exceeds it's adiabatic efficiency and hurts overall performance, or it's fine and I'm just overthinking it 🙃

[@ablysmal]

Richard, what is the easiest way to go about replacing the starter on these 2.2 turbos?

[@morelanmn]

Richard,,, Nice haircut. But a much better video. ( I have the same haircut as you)

[@marklucas3140]

Did anyone ever mention how violent the timing is on the S60 ECU? Having removed the knock sensor function and other "unnecessary???" code to make room for the code for the switchable calibration, I wouldn't ever recommend running it, ever. Even as directed with all corresponding modifications.

[@richardholdener1727]

needs lots of octane

[@marklucas3140]

We came across an '89 Daytona Shelby in the junkyard that had just the S60 fuel pump, injectors and SMEC. There was a new window mod installed in the block.😆There's no way to know, but I'd bet money that they ran 91 octane in it at some point. There was no circuit set up to switch to 14 PSI either so it was on full send until it wouldn't go any more. lol

[@Sweak22v1]

Omnified!

[@timweb1510]

Let’s get it

[@zfreak2808]

I say your wastegate is too tight. I had the same rising boost curve issue on my turbo miata. Turned out the wastegate was bottoming out because I had tightened down the waste gate too much.

[@michaelfew7704]

Vacuum controlled wastegate. Would be the likely culprit. IMO. Overall… your build is perfect! Thank you!

[@RENEGADEX800]

How much does the omni weigh?

[@richardholdener1727]

2200

[@ryandoyle4344]

Power to weight

[@oscarwalton1188]

Id be curious if a lighter set of rims would help the factory wheels were heavy for there size

[@richardholdener1727]

I have lighter Subaru wheels

[@theicksta]

Hi Richard. I am a 4.6 guy and interested in putting 2v heads on a mark viii/aviator block for the flat top pistons I think thats 12.5:1 compression. Would you run that combination on e85 and stage 2 cams.

[@richardholdener1727]

did you do the calculations on the compression?

[@theicksta]

@@richardholdener1727 to the best of my knowledge that's what I'm calculating

[@jnljnl8485]

It's making at the tire what a 66 Chevy 292 l6 makes at the crank

[@v4lhulme]

What Air fuels would you want to see at 15lbs of boost 4-5k rpm? Basically a highway pull stretching it out? Stock t2 turbo.

[@richardholdener1727]

mid 11s

[@edwardwood3622]

Weren’t all GLHS’s black? The blue is good I just seem to recall they were all black.

[@richardholdener1727]

they were all black

[@juicebox853]

Stage 2 would be a terrible street car with all that loss of torque. Right? Just like when you say that about a cammed LS that lost 20 ft lbs and has only 400 ft lbs at 2500 is not good on the street.

[@richardholdener1727]

you seemed confused

[@make-it-work4u]

The dyno graph showed a slight loss in power and torque from 2k to 3500 with the stage 2 computer wouldn't the leaner air fuel on the stock computer in the range it lost power down low between te runs be just the difference in fuel?

[@richardholdener1727]

no-it was likely lack of heat in the turbo

[@ericaddison5495]

I’m first! I love the Omni!!

[@timweb1510]

Nope

[@ericaddison5495]

Well I was really close

[@FJB8885]

Doesn't that car have a variable vane turbo?

[@richardholdener1727]

no sir-those came out much later

[@james10739]

Man it only revs to 6000 rpm for a little 4 cylinder I thought they were supposed to rev

[@mfree80286]

They're very undersquare... long stroke engines. 87.5mm bores and 92mm stroke on the 2.2, 104mm for the 2.5. That's 3.44" bore and 3.62"/4.09" stroke in freedom units.

[@kevingarrett118]

How does it compare to the Sprint turbo?

[@richardholdener1727]

100 more hp with the Omni in stock trim

[@kevingarrett118]

I had one back in 87... only weighed like 1600 lbs. Was a fun, quick car.

[@Mightym0par]

90 seconds into the video there's an Ad =(

[@richardholdener1727]

and you are telling me this why?

[@Mightym0par]

@@richardholdener1727 Just letting you know whats going on if you have no control over it. I dont mind Ad's, i know you need to make money off of them, but to just start your 13 minute video and get hit with an Ad right out of the gate is a bit frustrating to the viewer. I can understand having it halfway or what have you but after only watching 10% of the way....just turns me off from watching the rest of it.

[@scotttimpany2845]

I gotta see what that thing weighs...

[@richardholdener1727]

2200

[@scotttimpany2845]

@@richardholdener1727 Pretty sporty little car then!

[@georgedreisch2662]

Boost cut or restrictive, maxed out induction / and or exhaust?

[@justinmike2zrfe]

man Kswap that thing and pull 800+ outta it haha

[@richardholdener1727]

nope

[@justinmike2zrfe]

@@richardholdener1727 hey Richard random question but I was wondering if you ever had any experience on turbocharging a Toyota 4-cylinder? Me and a couple guys that I met online turbocharged or 2zrfe engines and one of them is putting out 320 wheel horsepower on about 15 pounds of boost and it's been holding up pretty great All-Star game turtles just upgraded fuel pump and fuel return system the turbo kit and he's had zero issues

[@richardholdener1727]

how do you control timing

[@justinmike2zrfe]

@@richardholdener1727 wow the typos in that last comment sorry but yeah a tuner has reflashed the stock ECU

[@keithsmith9889]

I'm sitting here watching and all I keep thinking is I would bet if you put in a cut out and bypassed the cat and muffler you could probably pickup 50 60 hoarse easy 🤔

[@richardholdener1727]

50-60 hp would not likely happen without a lot more boost (10 hp per psi roughly), but I think we would see some (that test is planned)

[@keithsmith9889]

I'm looking forward to it!smiling!

[@ronmurnieks9483]

Legend has it that bypassing the cat/exhaust on a stock 2.2 is around 25hp. Cat was supposed to be worth 15ish

[@keithsmith9889]

Possibly reaching top of injection?

[@richardholdener1727]

There was plenty of fuel with both ECUs

[@jimjimschrimpf90]

Edgewater !

[@DBSSTEELER]

Meh.

[@notsigningupforshit]

Great car...love it!! Kind of surprised you had to grab 4th...I would run through the traps in 3rd when running 15's. Only at the end when I was getting at around high 13's @ 103 mph in my Shelby Z did I have to start grabbing 4th. One thing's for certain...makes me want to get my GLH's body cleaned up - straightened - and painted. Had Turbo Dodge Trans Shop rebuild the transaxle with a TU LSD, so need to stop stalling and either drive the car and pull the engine this fall...or just say the heck with it and pull it now. If memory serves, I got a little bump in boost when I un-restricted the exhaust, had a CAT, but it was a high flow Walker piece. Forgive me, but don't recall if you were running stock exhaust on the rest of it??

[@bigpigslapperoinktoo4953]

I'd say the exhaust is kill'n it,, aint got no flow,,