2.4 NEW BUILD - MAUL BEAR DRUID

[@ssjkeshi7852]

Give bear sweeping attacks that can hit up to 2 additional targets if they are adjacent to your initial target. Then bear won't lose clear speed and can still have his own flavor from the faster wolf.

[@keldon_champion]

A solid idea built in cleaving attacks for the bear, 100% agree and support this.

[@ikarussuraki5091]

would also make sense lore/fantasy wise, like look at those claws, when he cleaves he would hit several peeps for sure.

[@Peakapew]

Would love to see it. Bear needs some love.

[@Ming_______]

Loving this idea!

[@Afura33]

I love the idea

[@nudush]

I think they should add some kind of small splash on some melee abilities

[@SweetPhil]

Ya Ya I'm liking the bear as well, not as a Javazon ender or anything but just a different play style for fun that works solid, and ya it's such a crazy tank. Really get up in htere and be fine. My go bear second in season 1. FOH is tempting me though.

[@SirDehumanized]

Honestly most of the builds besides WW barb are in a pretty great place now. Yeah they could be buffed up more but I’d prefer to see it happen through them buffing unique items substantially and gearing them towards specific builds. Most Unique items in the current build of the game are completely overshadowed by Runewords. I would like to see allot of them get an actual purpose.

[@jarlfisk]

What's wrong with WW ? I love doing trav farm with my ww barb :)

[@SirDehumanized]

@@jarlfisk Well it’s bugged atm and I feel it could be made stronger since it’s kinda lack luster compared to old WW from OG Diablo 2. It’s a level 30 skill so I think it should be better than what it is. If they started the damage at a positive percent at level 1 and allowed procs and IAS buffs from gear then I think that would be enough of a buff.

[@jarlfisk]

@@SirDehumanized for sure it could be better yes 😀 the changes would be nice !

[@QuintemTA]

@@SirDehumanized Just removing stupid negative modifier would probably be enough and bug fixes of course. Maybe reduce its mana cost a tad.

[@standito]

Fire bowazon still weak

[@JJV7243]

I just hope you can attack faster with the right gear - I'd like to get a better understanding of "how fast" the bear hits with different equipment.

[@dormetheus]

You could tank as a bear and run an Act1 merc with a fanaticism bow ?

[@Okhanian]

I love this new direction, I really hope you can go tanking and "kinda slow"ly onehit everything like a bear should.

[@njdutoit]

Made a Werebear before the patch changes. Madevit to Act 5 Hell but then got boned, so deleted in rage after hundreth time getting killed and losing all gold and experience. Would be willing to give it another try now.

[@markjones781]

If you don't take much damage, wouldn't you forget such a vit sink? Would like to see the bear get some splash damage and since it's not fast enough for CB a deadly strike boost would be really nice.

[@TheInfinityMaster1]

Yo Llama! Are you gonna do another *survey* for this latest patch update too?

[@callynn1]

Bear should be slower, but hit in a small Aoe with Maul (like a Swipe)

[@salamathesusatbiyernesulit2161]

I remember running with the Beast in a champion axe with the Werebear and also running with Metamorphosis or Cerebus Bite.

[@noway027]

Werebear skills should have splash, or some sort of area of attack.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

Being more-or-less invulnerable and one-tapping mobs is just not doing it for you?

[@noway027]

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos i'd take quality of life over damage any day. damage was never an issue with the werebear

[@Afura33]

I agree

[@NameName-gr2pr]

Llama, try this, say the word wool, then add an "f" after... woolf.... you can now pronounce the word wolf.

[@SampoSaarela]

Old video but I think that the Phoenix shield adds a ton of damage? And it is way way harder to get than Grief. I would like to see this with some cheap shield and grief.

[@game_jinx]

this build will stand there while the paladin kills the screen. i only said what we are all thinking

[@mwhighlander]

Hmmm, with the new changes to blade shield... how good could a Bear Sin be now? Claw mastery, Venon, Blade Sentinel, Blade Fury, Blade shield. Highlord's wrath , Fort (300% ED), Pheonix (375%ED). Slap things with the aoe and damage provided by claw mastery, and new OP blade shield with all those ED modifiers.

[@coreyboatright8228]

Made one with reapers toll or a eBotd eth archon staff and using a act 1 merc with faith for fanaticism felt good was hitting like a truck and the speed wasn't bad with the aura.

[@stevenpmurphy9963]

Why an archon staff? Is it Better than a true melee weapon?

[@coreyboatright8228]

It's an ez base to find eth and get 6 sockets and from what I understand it has a better ratio of str = phy dmg or something like that

[@whitekony1006]

@@stevenpmurphy9963 the min and max damage are very close,reasonably high,full str bonus,bonus on undead,good base speed. Ribcrackers big brother.

[@ashargetsinger5718]

I feel like the reason its so slow is cuz you are not building the right caps rune master or sheal ED weapon or even 15/40 jewels but from the look of it, It is hitting faster then what it would normally.

[@ludovicbouchard3009]

I have a level 93 bear druid. maxed lycanthropy, werebear, maul, fire claw, firestorm and a point in oak spirit, don't have the hunger i use jalal, ebotdd war spike and treachery to reach that 7 frames - ive tried with the ebotd phase blade but damages are too low, the war spike is pretty interesting I use arach, spirit and a 10 fcr ring to reach a 65% fcr or so frame, allowing to use the shockwave really fast gore riders and steelrend for CB, a mara and a raven. i can't wait to use phoenix without interuption keeping the maul turning and hit with that maxed claw is the key and it reaches, for me, 10k max dam at a real fast attack paces it's tanky and it's cute long live the bear druid

[@mikezharov725]

Builds in d2 can be rated in the following categories: ClearSpeed, Immunities, Tankyness, Croud Control/mobility. For example Barby has Slow Clear Speed, but can kill Immunities with berserk, is verry tanky , and has average CC and mobuility Ex2 Bliz sorce has much higher clear speed but is worse at immunities, is mediocre tanky and has good mobuility but low CC MaulDruid is similar to barby in many ways, he may even have slower mobuility, but is verry safe and cheap to tank up and having Great CC damage and can boast a stable average clearspeed even with mediocre weapons. His only real problems is actually with phys immunities, which unlike barby's riskey 1 poitnt wonder berserk abuility the druid doesnt have a equivalent with the aformentioned issue, for getting through hell I think the cheapest option would be to get a merc who can help kill immunities like a act1 fire, and use shockwave minions and tankyness to perservere, Due to the nature of the maul druid's attack style, he get a hustle in a elite 2 hander or polearm to great effect while simultaneously helping his minions and merc take down immunities Alternative is U can sacrifice some CC and tankieness and dump at least 40 points into fireclaw and 1 synergy, cutting down on your croud control, and vitality, and you will still have some immunities issues even with Holy freeze merc

[@Kenneth_McGrew]

wonder what it would be like with a two hand death of dying rune, like on my wolf i have a stick doing 800 damage, so that on a werebear would be nuts.

[@p7755fn]

He still lacks a little more damage to be more competent to get into as SA tier, and also others like firetrapsin, bladesin, eledru with more physical dmg in fire and more cold dmg(hurrican) builds, bear form druids lack a little movement speed, impalezon 70%more speed, bowazon little dmg :D, ww(so it's the S tier it should be), singer(here a lot more, this is currently C tier), throw barb, leaps in barb need high dmg and velocity, auradin up to 250, sorc hydra 6--> 7 hydras, 50%- delay cd for fb, and a small buff to seldom used domains (5-10% more dmg It would probably make people give him more importance), the necro still lacks damage on spear and bone spirit, and double or triple damage on skeleton wizards is very important.

[@Axetwin]

Any chance on getting a proper build video for this one?

[@Turbulenssi]

Fire claw druid wont be a thing if they dont let us reach 4 frames on bear... And Wolf only reaches 5, its always been slower outside of fury so WE NEED 4 FRAMES FOR BEAR

[@Peakapew]

Looks like a really solid HC console option.

[@Afura33]

It really is, only issue with werebear is killing and run speed is really slow compared to a werewolf with feral rage.

[@unlockablecharacter8134]

I like how it looks like its bitchslapping a bunch of demons to death

[@ashargetsinger5718]

Yea I think they fix it it now works well with items and gear.

[@ham7357]

I don’t understand a lot of these builds sometimes. By the time you have all this high end gear what are you using this “build” as people put it for? Games over. What leveling?

[@gunyoudownagain]

farm gear for other classes

[@xparnex]

But how many Stygian Dolls can it take?

[@Afura33]

haha I was wondering the same :D

[@MADMartinQc]

they need to add something like fire claw explosive attack... something that would help to kill groups of monsters

[@WindCutterX]

Can't really gauge the build without seeing a cs run. Also do we really know what the optimal setup is? Tanky with mediocre clear speed is what the initial thought seems to be.

[@DavidBusa]

After so many years we'll get the best patch giving back the lore origin and playstyles we want. It's not every time about having OP builds like hammerdin or javazon. It's about having fun. That's why so many other ARPG die so quick - because they focus on efficiency we don't need. THX Llama

[@RadiO_orc]

Plz try fire claw build with earth shifter

[@notmyrealID]

with regards to the less speed people are mentioning, did they increase the damage enough so that the damage per second isn't nerfed?

[@Assywalker]

easily

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@@Assywalker That's great news.

[@TheGreektrojan]

Yes and no. Bear definitely hits like a truck now. They way damage scales/is calculated in d2, super fast attacks like fury/zeal etc... will out DPS bear but bear will be fine, especially with the built in stun and uninteruptible attack now. Llama nailed it that the bear feels really good/like you think the bear should feel.

[@dontew90]

Man I have a build you may be interested into trying: SHockwave/Maul hybrid Hoto, spirit, jala, arach, Bk rings, highlords (maybe), laying of hands gloves, shape shift GCs On Switch: GreifZ and phoneix or another weapon? Merc: Reapers toll? Blessed Aim? Skills: Max: shockwave/Maul/Grizzly/Dire wolf HOA-5 to 10 points for life since you wont use CTA or HOW for more AR since you will need more AR What you think if you dont mind me asking?

[@qwickiller]

you can also do werebear and summons as well

[@jprec5174]

Not anymore. Why would you sit in werebear form if you cant teleport?

[@JustRandomStuff31]

Ive been testing a HC summon/werebear hybrid, heavy into summons. 1 point into raven, then max out the rest down the middle. 20 into Lycanthropy for huge life buff. Down for 1 with shockwave and hunger. Then max a sage whichever you feel best. The rest of the points go into Werebear for big damage and defense buff. Easily completed normal at level 29 with no scary fights.

[@yordanazzolin]

no offense but you can complete normal with pretty much anything, im pretty sure you can still complete it with just the thorn damage from sigon

[@emeryweaver3796]

The ultimate will smith build. Uber slaps

[@Afura33]

I absolutely love werebear, but too bad that it is slow compared to werewolf and it has no feral rage for movement speed and now aoe damage like rabbies or fury :(

[@ZorrosRage]

Bear summon druid hybrid could be fun

[@zaszz]

Because speed is king with the way crushing blow works in the game. Slow, more damage is objectively worse.

[@WilliamAndrews0]

this seems like a great build for an ironman run. huge survivability, built-in healing, giving health and blockers (with summons up) for the entire team. Seems to be pretty fun. I don't think for a regular softcore b.net character it is viable for anything really, but for fun, sure.

[@Zinaroth]

Of course it is viable it can do all content. I believe the word you’re looking for is optimal and it is indeed on the slower side. With all the buffs to werewolf and all the hybrid options now available I think bear is sitting in the corner sulking a bit.

[@WilliamAndrews0]

@@Zinaroth there is a difference between "viable" in single-player and "viable" in multi-player. In b.net simply being able to finish the game doesn't make a character viable, it needs to fulfill a purpose. So it needs to be able to do a certain part of content in a certain time. Not everything needs to be optimal, but it shouldn't be 5 times slower than the optimal build. A werebear is literally useless in every scenario after finishing the game once and in multi-player 98% of the time played is after you kill baal hell.

[@Zinaroth]

@@WilliamAndrews0 A werebear can easily be made into a solid uber character. Will it be the best at it? No. But then why are people using anything but a Smitadin to kill ubers? Sorcerers are also the best MF characters to start a ladder with, so why doesn't everyone start with one? Werebear has just as much a purpose as 90 % of the other builds in D2 that aren't meta. Applying your logic we would only see Sorcs, Smiters and Hammerdins which granted makes up over 50 % of the player base. Your argument can be applied to so many builds/classes. Heck Barb and Druid are just buff bots and once you are done running with your rush group you are "useless" to them. I get where you are coming from and I understand the sentiment but I do not agree with your wording or reasoning.

[@WilliamAndrews0]

@@Zinaroth Barbs can still be used as buff-bots in xp-games for people leveling to 99 and also gold-find or pit-zerker builds. Elemental Druids are still fine in baalruns as well for crowd control and life-buffs, especially because Druids are pretty rare, the oak-sage buff is nice to have, when everyone runs around with cta and bos anyway. This build is just slightly worse than mediocre for everything and a lot worse than mediocre for farming anything (gold, items, runes, keys). Maybe you can turn it into an uberkiller, but I feel like it would be one of the worst builds that could still do ubers, considering killspeed / equipment needed.

[@Zinaroth]

@@WilliamAndrews0 Oh I absolutely agree which is why I said that bears are still just sulking in the corner along with their summoning druid brothers. Looping back to the original topic of discussion; they are viable (semantically at least) but you'd be sacrificing a lot just for the fantasy of player a bear. Some of the hybrid options seem fun but then again werewolf just excels and can run those same hybrid builds so yeah... Better than it has been for 15+ years at least.

[@jonnycatland1987]

When does 2.4 come out? Also can we play before the ladder, or once ladder comes out the patch also does?

[@nicholaslarson3212]

Nice vid!! Could you add CC availability to your videos? Thank you!!!

[@paulwilliams8278]

will Shapeshift forms benifit from IAS on armor now? Dont remember if tahts changing this patch.

[@Afura33]

Yes

[@lbonvillain-wm4ds]

hate hate HATE the new IAS on werebear. Completely destroyed fire claw build. Now the only viable shapeshift is fury. Nice blizzard...

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

Swap over to wolf for fire claw. Changes are going to shake up the meta; that's the price of progress.

[@DM-ICE]

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos I can't believe what I'm hearing. Progress would be to improve on the lesser builds in order to shake up the meta - not make tthem even worse.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@DM-ICE Seems like werebear is working fine in the vid. From what I've seen, Fire Claw builds are working fine, too. It's not worse; it's just different.

[@daggumnametaken]

The best bear build I ever had, was a Sorceress.

[@Lonoty]

What about the other bear builds? BearSorc, BearSin...

[@game_jinx]

no ias. no build

[@Sysiu]

when will blizzard disable enigma?

[@Shaqfu69]

Seems to me that a treachery would actually be better here since the bear skills stack up so much enhanced damage

[@jprec5174]

Treachery is mandatory now. If llama and these streamers played melee they wouldve figured that out just from reading the changes.

[@TAC0FACE]

gonna try something similar in HC Ladder

[@minhchinhbui6559]

I hope the next is fire claw.

[@marcusvinicius1186]

I heard the bear is really bad with shield and u should use 2 handed weapon with him. Did they change it?

[@jprec5174]

1handers are capped at 7fpa while 2 handers can go to 6 but it takes a stupid amount of atk spd now

[@Ulfr-]

Would windhammer be viable? Id love to use it.

[@Highhookmvp]

Yes, nice budget option

[@sinnahti]

Thank you for this guide. Sadly these shapeshift builds will continue to be dead to me until they implement some sort of melee splash. I dig the flavor and I understand what they are going for..and maybe I'm just spoiled from some private servers, but single target melee with no splash just feels horrendous to me in this game. Thanks again for your review!

[@contris1]

i thought about again playing pala on HC but looks like summon druid and bear maul will be it for me :)

[@codyluco8252]

THEN SHOW THE LEVELING BUILD. I WILL NOT HIT HELL MODE AND HAVE ANY OF THAT.

[@real_Furryratchet]

that's the problem. Do not expect this will work for new hell players. Many Diablo 2 content creators forget about that wich sucks

[@Ubeogesh]

6:00 what is this diablo 3?

[@NikozBG]

Diablo 2 was always like that when overleveled and >10000 defence.

[@Ubeogesh]

@@NikozBG he is level 85 only tho

[@NikozBG]

@@Ubeogesh still higher than frigid alvl and still 10000 defence. Not the first build that is like that.

[@dust921]

im happy thay slowed it down it looked stupid and broken with the vibrator flash crap i dont care if im nerfing my selff saying that. and hope thay put a speed cap for all classes

[@Eiersalatmacher]

What I miss playing as a raging bear? A skill for charging into hordes of enemys. And give maul an aoe effect. It'd fit its style

[@DM-ICE]

Hunger should/could be that skill... And AoE for WB form could be an acceptable compensation for loss off attack speed.

[@Eiersalatmacher]

@@DM-ICE for balance purposes i'd like to exclude it for the werewolf, cuz he has enough shoveled up his sweet butt

[@Maxtastic101]

Poison……dagger…..

[@CorvinoDan]

How are you taking no damage!?!?!?

[@NeoIsrafil]

A stronger, slower, beefier were-form. Thats what we asked for, im glad they listened. They just need to make the buff spirits invulnerable (your buffs shouldn't be killable) and fix the vines...maybe make them invulnerable as well or hard to hit or they hide when hit or something.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

I'd be fine if the spirits were phys immune and had, like, 90% resist all. Then, make the plants immune to elemental damage. That way, they aren't invulnerable, and they still feel different than auras, but they shouldn't die very often.

[@robbymina3950]

I want to play this d2r can you help me Sir Llama?

[@Vo0Do0o]

Wow. I never thought of playing this build before but now damn.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

I've always thought that the werebear looks goofy af, but I am a big fan of the _werewolf,_ and I'm really glad to see the two forms becoming more distinct. Maul and Fury having the same minimum frames-per-swing was just silly.

[@Eagle557]

A2 Might Mercenary.. with a Pride.. or you go A1 with Faith GMB

[@yojomojo]

I want to see a WW Bear!

[@jameskeener4110]

Any word on when console gets update?

[@CapoFisk]

Good luck getting an answer. I’ve asked this on most videos and get nothing unfortunately

[@jameskeener4110]

@@CapoFisk yeah same here lol

[@CapoFisk]

@@jameskeener4110 I’m not sure anyone really knows about the release. It’s still in the PTR stage on pc as of now.

[@jameskeener4110]

@@CapoFisk makes sense .we'll get it by mid summer lol

[@CapoFisk]

@@jameskeener4110 Hopefully

[@Zhenyaaa]

ooof that speed is really bad

[@davidedlund2141]

Please make a wolf video. I played wolf before 1.10.

[@fbritorufino]

Totally agree

[@jtru8989]

2.4 looking amazing

[@jimmyrankin2858]

This would be sick in that Endless Dungeon we all wanted.

[@alejandrokalev7489]

It's literally half the speed. Mine was 5 fpa now is 9. Teling you know, the only people that are going to play this build is people that didn't know this build before and are hyped cause of the changes. There's only one thing more boring in this game than slow run speed (bear weak spot since always) and that it's attacking slow. We now have both lol, not gonna happen, build is forgot tier again, but now not even a secretly good build.

[@NikozBG]

Did you test it with treachery and 15 ias jewel in the helmet?

[@alejandrokalev7489]

@@NikozBG 100 ias etombreaver, 20loh,20highlord 15 ias jalal. 9 frames. It is even beyond the cap. Bear is halved. And fireclaw is way worse, since wolf its a bad user of that skill, no enhanced damage, no phys dmg, no leech. It is my main build, i know it well, but will reroll to fury still, since it became so slow and boring. You can watch an old video i did for a guide and compare (70 ias gear here, 100 tombreaver which was max speed, 5 fpa): kzbin.info/www/bejne/mp-8d3d_e5ihjqM

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@@alejandrokalev7489 If it makes you feel any better, I always thought the 5-frame werebear attacks looked stupid and made the were-forms feel too samey. So, y'know. Some of us see this as an improvement.

[@alejandrokalev7489]

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Fury makes thunder maul bases now 4 fpa easily, that will make me feel better lol. Btw bear max was 4fpa, not 5, just not reachable with a zod tomb, and it was faster than wolf. Bear now you say? It's like 70% dps on paper in my build (fireclaw+suplemental maul), but its even less in reality : less attacks less procs deadly strike and crushing blow, less curses, less frequently leeching, more concerning about missing an attack of which you have less. Bear does not need more damage per hit, he needed run/walk speed. Why I dislike slow attacks? You attack single target, slower, and no movility in this game, it's like below water gameplay. You can be a fun build, but in terms of power, halved. I don't know if you have some build to compare, maybe this looks good to you in power, better that way, if you compare, you will dislike lol (and i know most people were sleeping on the bear and they don't know the build, thus excited for this "buff " and hyped: it's a nerf in power, test it, number it. It doesn't matter so much, it's still viable and it's fun, but it's less powerful. I recommend always bear, people probably playing too much wolf, i'm the opposite, wolf will be fresh for me, just warning some people : old bear was better. If bear got a charge attack or run speed, we could be agreeing is a better playstyle, for now it's just exactly the same, but slower.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@Alejandro Kalev Thanks for laying out exactly why I should be happy about this change. Now, it is well established that wolf is the fast form, and bear is the powerful form. If you like fast, play as a wolf. Bear form has been given back to the folks who liked the form's initial promise of playing as a massive, unrelenting juggernaut. It may very well be that the old ways of playing werebears are now wrong, but the expectations set by the skills' descriptions and an unfamiliar player's intuition have been made correct.

[@MrGombee]

it is so annoying that the bear is always hitting with his right arm :/

[@DragonsilverXGenesis]

Do they will nerf Grief, Enigma, Spirit and buff Last wish :'( ? I want a new meta

[@teeemm9456]

Go away.

[@AlghostUnit]

Am I the only one to find it annoying the way the werebear run in Resurrected always with the right arm behind? I don't know, I just feel like he should move his arms normaly while running instead of keeping this kind of ninja position with his upper body...

[@game_jinx]

the attack speed shift now makes weapons with increased attack speed pointless. now the bear is essentially a whirlwind barb build.

[@madmax1436]

just max out the dps. 2k life will be ok, just max STR and take big 2 hand bamboozle

[@SystemEnemy]

Oath in feral axe nup ;)

[@bend-k7695]

"just decided to go phoenix shield because I didn't have anything else" lmao tell me you're rich without telling me you're rich.

[@drewd4491]

wherewoof

[@lolwhatidk]

BEAR BEAR BEAR BEAR

[@oldman8952]

I'm really not sold. It is a novelty build at best. There is no reason to play a bear over wolf let alone a zealot or a barb. Is he tough, sure, but standing around getting beat on while your friends kill things gets old fast. Other classes would do so much more with that gear.

[@BlankeeStarcraft]

Like Llama said however, it’s a safe build for hardcore mode. You are nigh unkillable with decent enough gear.

[@tomaszpawlik5091]

only 4k life as a bear?

[@joeldominguez307]

do ubers then mr

[@marveltoyguys6311]

But now they’ve ruined other build using a beast. Makes the runeword only sought after for the aura. Bear sorcs are slow now and so are holy shock bear dins. Necromancer bears are just absolutely trash now even with a demon cross bow brand. I think this is bad idea in my opinion.

[@alphapolimeris]

I like that. Definitely a better design change than FoH...

[@RMJ1984]

Am i the only one who is really disappointed that they didn't make the bear walk on all 4? you know, like a bear?. I mean sure it still looks better than regular d2, where it looks downright absurd. But it still looks silly, to see the bear wobble around on 2 legs.

[@BoredLikeHelI]

Bears walk on 2 legs all the time, and this is a WEREbear, not a bear.

[@Afura33]

@@BoredLikeHelI euhm this is totaly wrong, I don't care if the diablo 2 bear walks on 2 or 4 legs, but a bear in real life walks on 4 legs and not on 2. What happened to general education lol.

[@BoredLikeHelI]

@@Afura33 All you need to do is google "bear on 2 legs" you complete imbecile. Yes they normally walk on all 4s but they are capable of walking on 2s for extended periods of time for a multitude of reasons. You've probably never even seen a bear in real life lol.

[@DM-ICE]

"Why does the werebear need to be the same as the werewoff?" Well. They aren't - even if the WB attacks fast. And you say "maybe can reach the same frames" - but have you actually tried a 6 shael PB with lvl 30+ Maul? You don't reach the same frames. How does this work for Fireclaws? A massive DPS loss - that's how it works. You mention hunger - but hunger was the same before and haven't received any AR boost with the patch. Shockwave means you don't need all that defense and uninterruptable most of the time. And you say "stunned for 11 seconds" - the max stun is 10 for Shockwave which they forgot to fix the proper tooltip for and instead changed Maul tooltip. I also like how you mention Eth Tomb Reaver (without having tested it) - which is a fast weapon. Then saying it would be the same as WW when WW can actually rock weapons without IAS in this patch basically. Seen Dbrunski's with Eth Reaper's Toll? Yeah. WW is fast with that weapon. How are they the same?

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

I think his point is that 2.4 is making them more distinct. But hey, maybe it's time to think about switching Fire Claws builds over to a wolf spec?

[@DM-ICE]

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos WW worked before - now it's even better. WB was worse off, but had FC. Now FC is basically a dead build and we got a "new" physical build which cannot compete with WW. On top of that the WW can also do a hybrid summoner or use Armageddon. Possibly all 3 if summons are just meat shields. If the WW has great attack speed with 0 ias weapons, huge damage, great survivability and even fire damage if needed - why can't the WB get back a couple of frames when using a fast weapon? I want to play WB because I really like the WB. But this nerf is totally unjustified and basically kills not only the FC build but most likely other classes that uses Beast to shift as well. Hard to feel motivated to keep playing WB when so much relies on fast attacks in this game.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@DM-ICE Perhaps they need to tweak the numbers on Werebear to account for the slowed-down attacks of the bear. However, werebear has a large health pool and more damaging attacks that can no longer be interrupted, so you should be able to account for the slower speed. In my view, the bear attacking as quickly as it did was jarring and made the two forms feel indistinct. Perhaps folks who liked the speed of the bear will be put out, but the speed of the bear was bizarre and counterintuitive anyway.

[@DM-ICE]

@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Nothing counter-intuitive with having a really fast weapon hitting really fast. Now you instead have a situation with finding a faster weapon isn't actually giving you a faster attack - which actually is counter-intuitive. Also - you were never getting fast attacks as a WB unless you actually went all in with shael runes or found a godly weapon with massive ias. Hitting slow was your only option until then (even slower than PTR in most cases). The two forms have always been very distinct. One is stunning hordes of enemies and then beating them up one at a time (most likely with massive fire damage) and the other one just tanking with his chin and ripping apart all enemies in range with a flurry of blows and leeching the wounds close with help from Feral Rage and doing physical damage. Somehow you feel that the nerf of frames sets the two forms apart more than how they focus their attacks and handle enemies. I've seen your other replies on this topic and feel that further discussion isn't going to lead anywhere. Best of luck and may we both get to play awesome WBs for years to come.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@@DM-ICE I hope you find something you enjoy post-rework : )

[@noquarteratall780]

Looks like crap. Druid was already a tank. There is no chance I'll play this unless they speed up the damage.

[@marv1n558]

first

[@master_ki]

SLOOOOOOW = Will not play

[@Sun4y4k4]

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