2 FULL FRAME PANASONIC CAMERAS, 3 LENSES + 5 New Leaks

[@KimCruz1]

soo... anyone down with a cheaper lower resolution Panasonic Full frame camera??

[@quanhuynh9332]

still stay with m43 though XD

[@KimCruz1]

lol me too!

[@VisualDanny]

Its gonna cost much more than my g7 😣

[@JpDubbed]

Good. I don't have a house to sell anyway.

[@clintcompose]

Kim Cruz it depends on what it does that I can’t achieve with my Gh5

[@123florus]

I willl stick with M43 anyways since i chose it for the size and price advantage and not for the brand itself. Plus i don't think as an amateur i need fullframe. My 16MP M43 does well enough for the size of prints that i make.

[@KimCruz1]

that's great to hear! what kind of prints do you make and how big do you make them? my camera work is mostly in video but i'm thinking of printing stuff in the near future! any advice you wanna give?

[@123florus]

I make a photobook every year but none of the prints in there are very big. Then i have a wall with my favourite pictures printed and the biggest are around A3 size. Don't know where you are from and if you have that service there but in Germany we have "saal digital" and they make excellent prints in my opinion. You can create your own picture books and for larger prints they have a large choice for different "premium" papers. The kind of paper you use actually matters a lot i think.

[@KimCruz1]

hey thanks for the tips... at the moment i just have access to a random photo shop near my place but i haven't spoken to them yet.. I'll look into the papers too and i did some reading and you're right the paper does seem to matter and thanks for the advice! :)

[@nl.mattiegames4972]

123florus which camera do you use? And which lenses?

[@123florus]

OMD-EM10ii with the kit lens and some primes. (Mostly use the primes)

[@tonytfuntek3262]

Great news, I shoot with both formats at this time. I love my M43 for street photography and non-critical shots. The only negative I see with the M43 is not the sharpness which is fine up to 11x14 prints; it’s the limited dynamic range. I shoot a lot of landscapes and when trying to bring up the shadow area with M43 you will see noise. But a great size for portability. When it comes to landscapes and difficult lighting conditions you can’t beat a FF, it’s just a cleaner look. I am disappointed with the mirror-less offerings from Nikon and Canon so I really welcome Panasonic jumping in.

[@KimCruz1]

lets see what they come up with! i hear ya with the dynamic range and noise

[@srbhanja]

Does any Panasonic MFT camera or this FF camera can pause during video shoot?

[@KimCruz1]

what do you mean by pause?

[@thestevewood]

I think he means pause the current clip, and then resume the current recording a bit later. So it makes post editing a bit easier, because it will automatically merge 2 clips into one. But since most people that buy these cameras post edit, it's kind of a pointless feature in such an expensive camera. I can see how it would be useful on a phone where you aren't going to post edit and want to upload online faster.

[@buildingsheriff]

I still love my GH5. It's capabilities are way beyond my skill level. I'd rather upgrade my skills than my camera!

[@KimCruz1]

the right attitude here!!

[@jerrytldpl]

On board the hype train choo choo!

[@KimCruz1]

me too lol.... and i dont even know why i'm not even gonna buy it hahaha

[@Astrolavista]

I too will be sticking to M43, but these are very exciting times even as a spectator. Great video by the way :)

[@KimCruz1]

thanks and i'm on the same boat as you.. definitely super interesting just to watch haha

[@koolkutz7]

I am officially hyped! can't wait to see what Panasonic will do with FF system. I do hope that they will eventually offer some budget friendly options in the future both in terms of bodies and lenses. I hope they also consider making photography centric cameras as well as great video cameras; say a FF equivalent of the G9.

[@KimCruz1]

me too! i'm guessing for now they just want to establish their system so i think they're going for the high end optics first, but eventually they'll have some nice low-medium range glass hopefully!! :D

[@EugeneMaynard]

The main feature is lowlight that is better than my beloved GH5, but I would not switch, it would be a complimentary tool! Exciting times!

[@KimCruz1]

yup! i'm mainly looking at the low light too!

[@dropyvisuals4355]

I'm really excited for the wide end primes for, i hope it's not that big. So i can walk around with it when i decided to switch :)

[@KimCruz1]

whoa alright! let's see how big it is, i don't expect the lenses to be any smaller than canon or sony glass, but i'm also thinking... maybe the body might be bigger than canon and sony bodys just coz the gh5 is already pretty much as big as them now! hoping i'm wrong!

[@BlackWarriorLures]

Well, I'm planning on adding a second camera. I run a GH4, but don't want to replace it. It's more important for my work to add a second camera. Since I run Canon FD lenses, my lenses are full- frame already. A full-frame Panasonic as an A cam, the run a GH4 as a B-cam would be a good combo. I film tight to the camera, so the telephoto nature of M43 is something I always bump into. I also want to do some camping trip and astro-lunar photography would be nice to add to my footage. M43 just ain't it. For some of us it isn't a matter of switching but a matter of adding.

[@lukestrege502]

Kim! You are BLOWING UP dude. Congrats. And I just wanna see the facts for the Panasonic FF

[@KimCruz1]

thanks man! and i'm with you i just wanna see what's up haha

[@lukestrege502]

@@KimCruz1 I will say this though. This is the most intriguing ff offering out there for me if this is true. It would almost be a gh5 in a ff body with better lowlight. I would most likely get the one with lower mp for increased iso performance and similar price to the a7iii (would be better than a7iii, atleast for video). That is the only gripe I have with my G7. (I didn't expect IBIS to be in the G7 for the price, so not including that).

[@KimCruz1]

yeah that's true although again i wanna caution everyone just because it's a first gen product... the thing with ibis is that it's easier to have it on a smaller sensor, which is one of the reasons that m43 cameras have the best ibis out there, and why full frame models are alright, but not in the same league. so i'm hoping they figure this out for the full frame camera. as for the video features of the lower end model... I'm just wondering if they pack with as many features as the gh5? along with all the benefits of ff.. please oh please just give us better af!

[@lukestrege502]

Yeah that makes sense! And yes the features will be something to see. If there is a fully articulating screen. The Sony folks are going to go nuts. (Which I believe there will be knowing Panasonic)

[@jessestarks3128]

I hope to see something at the Photokina. Even if it's true I'm not likely to switch from 4/3 or m4/3 stuff.

[@fellowcitizen]

Being able to use adapted microfourthirds, M-mount, Canon-mount and Sigma-mount lenses with both FF Bayer and Foveon cameras sounds like a dream within a dream. Presumably, with Leica on board, the performance of M-mount lenses would comfortably exceed that of the Sony Alphas which require expensive sensor-stack conversions to optimise for rangefinder lens use.

[@fellowcitizen]

An M4/3-L adaptor would have to be a disc rather than a ring, but something similar was done for mounting M-lenses to the Fuji GFX (albeit without electronics) so I guess it's plausible. The option to take relatively compact M4/3 lenses (and the Sigma M4/3s which optically cover APS-C) sounds super handy.

[@KimCruz1]

yeah it sounds exciting! but at the same time those leica lenses still have those leica price tags!

[@fellowcitizen]

Oh, there's really no need to get Leica lenses when select Zeiss and Voigtlaender M-mount lenses meet or exceed them ;)

[@terrywbreedlove]

Panasonic must nail 4K and AF. I have a PenF and the 75mm and pixel shift is pretty amazing to get such quality from a small camera. This could be a very big thing with a FF sensor.

[@KimCruz1]

i know i know that pixel shift thing sounds amazing for product photography! what sort of things have you tried it on? i don't know how much of an improvement compared to pixel shift on the pen f/g9, but i'm excited nonetheless!

[@terrywbreedlove]

Anything moving is no good. Other than that it works great. I personally have used it for still life photos when out hiking. Fall leaves laying on the rocks stuff like that. I even used it on a person once and told them to stay perfectly still for about a second and it worked great. :)

[@Chokkan]

Thanks for the roundup of info. Out of my price range, but I hope they have enough compelling features to make it more than just a "me too" product. Auto focus will be the interesting one.

[@KimCruz1]

i know right with that AI?! lol it could just be marketing hype but with how smartphones like the Pixel 2 use AI, i mean, i guess i could see it helping the autofocus.. i really wanna see how this plays out!

[@michaelsvlog]

The big question is what is the dynamic range of this Panasonic camera. I'm hoping for 13 to 14 stops but I haven't heard anything yet on that spec. If it gets 14 stops going to be super excited will be my dream camera.

[@KimCruz1]

yeah you're right it would be interesting to see what happens, they're announcing it in about 12 hours from now i think!

[@srbhanja]

i would prefer a panasonic entry level ff, than sony if it keeps same video feature as of gh5

[@KimCruz1]

nicee.. i guess a $2k full frame camera is considered 'entry level'

[@Al.j.Vasquez]

Kim Cruz what's the price of the GH5? Considering how superior the low light capabilities of the FFs, would it be too expensive if it was a GH5 but with a FF sensor?

[@KimCruz1]

right now the gh5 is actually around $1,700 in america, normally, it's about 2,000.. i guess these prices came down when the A73 came out... i don't know if it's too expensive, but i'm guessing the higher end 3000 model will be more like the gh5 in terms of features.. maybe the 2000 more like a g85 on steroids.. it's only another 3 days! let's see what they come out with!

[@marc6652]

Honestly, I'm very torn. Currently I sold all my hybride FF for a Panasonic and it suits me perfectly. So, a FF Panasonic will certainly be a very good choice, especially with Sigma lenses. But all the brands try to convince us that the only way to make good pictures is to buy a FF. It's nonsense. 99% of photographers don't need such a big, heavy and expensive stuff. But marketing knows that talking to ego is the best way to make money. And it works...

[@KimCruz1]

it certainly works indeed... i think there's still merit in getting a ff system, but it's really all about need isn't it? what do you actually need to make quality pictures and video?

[@clintcompose]

*Big Facts*

[@fieldpictures1306]

Panasonic knows what they are doing in using the Leica L mount which has a 20mm flange depth. This allows you to adapt any lenses with a larger flange depth (FFB), including all Canon and Nikon mounts plus a bunch of legacy lenses.

[@KC2Lucky]

great job kim, keep it up mate!

[@bigdap100]

Panasonic is coming for the crown bro!! 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿 They don’t pussyfoot around with their gear and they always always always innovate; giving us something super awesome that no one else is offering at a great price. Panasonic is the Bang4Buck champ by a mile...the GH5, even to this day, does things that no other camera can do!

[@soundknight]

Technically the gh4 still kicks a lot of arse too

[@JCUTMoto]

panasonic is bang for the buck for sure...

[@soundknight]

For Panasonic, producing a high f stop on full frame would be easy because they have broken tech ground in m43 to get these same impossible apertures. Not to mention a new mount designed properly (listening to this Sony ??) Will future proof the design. I'm sticking to m43 though. It's lighter and fantastic with leica branded glass.

[@WhiteWulfe]

When I saw the news about a second one, I'm tentatively excited for it.. I'm hoping for a good, low-light performer, and IBIS on both models is a nice feature to say the least, doubly so if it's as good as the GH5's, or even better the G9's... What I wasn't so thrilled about though, is they seem to once again be relying on zooms. Sure, for launch, it's apparently only one prime and two zooms, but I'd definitely like to see more primes by the time the system goes to retail... At least one that's wider (be it 28 or 35mm), and one that goes further, say the 85mm range, as their zooms are covering the "standard" ranges. The partnership with Sigma makes me happy, especially if it means we get Art lenses in native mounts, because the heavier art lenses actually make sense on a full frame body (on a micro four thirds body, they're comically big, and heavy as all sin), because they're more balanced. I'll be less picky about the zooms if they happen to be constant aperture, parfocal, AND weather sealed, because those are all nice things to have. Will I be rushing out to buy one? Probably not, but I'll keep an eye on it. I rather like some of the advantages micro four thirds has, especially it's weight and size (small size is handy for it not being noticed as easily or as much when you're out and about taking photographs, and naturally your arm doesn't get as tired or your fingers cramp up as fast when you're holding it), but also for it's reach - that 2x crop factor helps keep lenses smaller, which means they take up less space in one's bag ^_^ It all really depends on the low light performance of that smaller one, because if it clears up that one problem I do have with my G85 (well, technically two, as it's sensor noise and dark current energy from long exposures that are my issues) I suspect it would be a welcome addition to my kit. Sure, it'll be heavier, and the glass needs to be bigger too due to physics, but I predominately deal with primes anyways, so the weight isn't as much of an issue if I make it more of a fair fight - aka compare Olympus' f1.2 primes versus whatever full frame lenses come out. I don't say the f1.2 lenses because of equivalent or anything like that, but more so because comparing something featherweight like the 17mm f1.8 versus a Sigma 35mm f1.4 Art lens isn't a fair comparison at all. 390g for the f1.2 Olympus versus 665g for the f1.4 Sigma Art... Yes, the Sigma is 275g heavier (so about half a pound), but if one's plan is to just have one or two primes in the bag per camera, it isn't as bad. I'm also doing that comparison because they're both at least 67mm filter threads. Is it as light as a full on micro four thids kit? Nope, but once again, if low light performance knocks it out of the park..... ^_^

[@KimCruz1]

m43 lens weight rules.........

[@WhiteWulfe]

I agree. If I had to choose between having a camera (or two) and several lenses in a bag, or being able to have those exact same focal lengths covered but also have a packed hot lunch (say, in a Mr.Bento or something like that), and it all weighs the same... Yeah, I'll take the hot lunch options!

[@KimCruz1]

hahaha yup! and besides it's just so much less of a hassle, to be honest i hate carrying a camera around when i'm out so the smaller and lighter it is the less annoyed i am.. it's almost got a direct correlation to my enjoyment of the day haha

[@FRANKRICECOLD209]

Yes i Was So Disappointed About The No IBIS Because Being a GH5 User No IBIS Would Be a Deal Braker For Me Man i Cant Wait To See What Panasonic is Going to Offer Thanks For The Video

[@KimCruz1]

no probs and you know, i'm probably not even gonna buy these ff cameras, but man i'm hyped haha!

[@leecason9468]

Sony and panny should combine the photo features of the A7 lineup and the video capabilities of the GH series. The biggest problem with the full frame Panasonic is the mount. LEICA mounts have leica glass... And leica glass is expensive af...

[@KimCruz1]

they're developing a new line along with sigma and panasonic so don't worry there are options!

[@leecason9468]

@@KimCruz1 truuuuu. I use a lumix g7 right now and I ordered my A7iii so I won't be using pannys new camera. I heard it doesn't even launch until March 2019 and I can't wait that long lol. Got some gigs coming up

[@leecason9468]

@@KimCruz1 though I might upgrade to the a7siii if it comes with a 24 mp sensor, 10 bit and 4k 60

[@KimCruz1]

Lee Cason good luck with those gigs man!

[@leecason9468]

@@KimCruz1 thanks man!

[@richardharvey1732]

Hi Kim, good news indeed, about time there was some real competition for Sony, sad about the IBIB tho. , unless you can lock the sensor, resolution will never come anywhere near medium format, the pixel-shift is just a gimmick, Ibis works just fine on M4/3, because the sensor is so small it doesn't have to be moved very far or very fast, compared to full-frame!. Image stabilisation built into the lens is a much better proposition, please don't be fooled by the misleading marketing hype. The features that really matter are:- video features, frame rate, buffer depth, signal to noise ratio, dynamic range, focusing speed, tracking and accuracy, control and menu layout, battery life, strength of lenses mount, shutter control options, build quality, price. Cheers, Richard.

[@KimCruz1]

thanks for that and yeah i definitely agree with those other specs being important. on the whole they just aren't as sexy to sell so... megapixels lol! having said that pixel shift still has benefits for product photography and the like!

[@Al.j.Vasquez]

It's all fine and dandy with the Mft until you need a fast wide angle lens. I like to shoot stars....

[@KimCruz1]

i know what you mean, i've done a couple of night timelapses before but they aren't like AMAZING like from a ff camera.. i was still surprised by how much I was able to get though!

[@Al.j.Vasquez]

Kim Cruz i bet, i had a couple of Panasonic Cameras before, and i liked their 60 second limit because it allowed me to light paint (to have fun with it). A Mft is a good step up from point and shoot cameras, but if for 500$ extra, you can get the FF sweetness, on a camera that punches above its price tag (like the A7iii does), then i guess it's justifiable to go the extra mile, i learned the hard way, that when you buy cheap, you feel like you didn't get your money worth in technology.

[@soundknight]

Only 4K? Bet it's actually 6K at least.

[@villagranvicent]

If the G9/GH5 are almost $2000, I bet their cheapest FF body without lens will go for at least $2500-$2700. Plus Leica lenses will be extremele expensive as expected. Otherwise they would be killing their m43 high-end models.

[@KimCruz1]

yeah i should add another rumor came that the high end model might be around 4,000... so the lower end model might be like you're saying.. however, the gh5 has been at 1,700 for a while now rather than 2,000.. i would welcome a panasonic ff camera at 2,000!

[@villagranvicent]

Kim Cruz Let’s wait a few days but won’t be any A7iii killer for less bucks 😂

[@soundknight]

3:11 he's not always right though

[@ThierryYang]

And I've just bought the G9 the week before....

[@KimCruz1]

buyer's remorse or...? honestly having used that camera a bit, i love it! the only thing missing on it is 120fps because i prefer that over 180fps.. but if it had that.. man!

[@ThierryYang]

@@KimCruz1 Yes, it's a great camera

[@soundknight]

No that's not the reason, one camera will be better in low light and great for video like the GH5s

[@soundknight]

Staying M43 because of the lenses and 90% image quality.

[@KimCruz1]

me too!

[@larsthoren3282]

I'd be shocked if they put the higher end camera as low as $3000, seems to me like a $3500+ camera.

[@KimCruz1]

i think you're onto something another rumor got released last night... closer to $4,000 but we'll have to see!

[@akivabernstein4723]

I’m making the switch

[@KimCruz1]

haha straight up! let's see what they have in store for us!

[@soundknight]

I hope Olympus can survive, they haven't done anything for some time, hope they don't become another Nikon.

[@bobdrawbaugh4207]

Let’s look at this from another perspective. Just say someone one bought into the MFT system. They went all in and purchased all Panasonic gear. Then Panasonic introduces a new system. If the FF system is a success what will happen to their MFT system. It will slow or die. I would be so happy with Panasonic and not too interested in any Panasonic products. I guess it’s a good thing I went with Olympus.

[@KimCruz1]

it doesn't mean that m43 would die.. fuji does the same with apsc and medium format, they make lenses and cameras for both and treat them separate.. another advantage of m43 is that olympus is also on board and their new em1iii coming out next year appears to be some kind of beast! so i wouldn't worry, m43 isn't dying, it'll always have tiny lenses no other format can compete with!

[@Brianuyahoo]

It's all cool! .... but I'm not the guy to toss out cash a brand new platform.. I'm OK to wait to see what others say about it.

[@KimCruz1]

me too.. it's worth having a look at how good the system actually is.. at this point, not even thinking about switching but it's a lot of fun to watch lol

[@Brianuyahoo]

@@KimCruz1 .. of course, "renting" can be a good way to try something new! (I just watched Tony's review of a new Canon lens .. he suggested renting! LOL)

[@KimCruz1]

Brian Blues yeah not a great option where I live unfortunately :/ on the other hand friends with gear and KZbin help a lot!

[@Brianuyahoo]

Kim Cruz I'm pretty lucky. .. a local camera retail store rents gear.. we rarely saw this in "the good old days". .. and online rental is getting out there. I haven't tried it yet ... but it's attractive.

[@Brianuyahoo]

Kim Cruz Oh! You're in SE Asia .. I would have thought that you would have many options! My wife & I were luck enough to live in Singapore for two years. (We've been back to the states for three years.)

[@cesarebonazza]

I did get the G9 what a camera!!!video Is amazing ergonomics perfect Leica lenses just out this world until you use iso 100 to 800 for still your are ok. At 2500 iso no way that sensor was so noisy just couldn’t not compete with my Canon 6d Mark II and Canon 6d. So I return the system. If they come out with full frame camera looking like the G9 I will get it immediately and use 2 Systems Canon will never give 4 k 60 p full frame never so I welcome Panasonic move. Sony never I hate the ergonomics and menus.

[@KimCruz1]

pretty much on the same page as you canon likes to tie down it's products, and then sony's ergo and menus aren't the greatest... i was playing with the A9 yesterday and it only hit me yesterday that the whole body was solid magnesium alloy. it means all the other times i played with it i just didn't like the feel enough to even notice the build was so solid lol... the G9 on the other hand... great feel in the hand! one more camera that really surprised me just in terms of grip is the em1 mark 2! not enough reviews stress it but the grip on it feels perfect in my hands, but my hands are small! but when it comes to menus and button layout, panasonic takes the cake!

[@sherkhan-up2vc]

Ohh God Save my Ass. I recently bought A7riii

[@KimCruz1]

lol you'll be fine.. you got the sure thing at the moment.. for all we know the panasonic one could be a flop

[@sherkhan-up2vc]

Kim Cruz Thanks Bro I really like my Camera