2. Mandukya Upanishad | Chapter 1 Mantra 2 | Swami Sarvapriyananda

[@drjibankumarsarkar]

" Rare indeed is the teacher who can communicate this grand sense of wonder " -- Katha uponishad - 1.2.7 Pronams revered Swamiji, my spiritual teacher and the messenger of enlightenment, bless me.

[@mokshajetley9244]

Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna

[@bestalwaysofall]

🙏🙏🙏 Just great Swami. Vedantha seems so easy to understand through your lectures. This lecture seems one of the most insightful. Aham Brahma asmi.

[@twac750]

This is a masterful lecture. You aren’t likely to get this level of information on Advaita Vedanta from top universities around the world. Well done sir. 🙏

[@malaselvarajah5398]

Awesome thankyou swamiji 🙏 When one relates to the primary understanding that all is conciousness , then everything else can only be the mind including the questioner and questions, it's surreal to think that this whole lecture and each person including me , is nothing but a dream manifest ! Thank God for Vedanta and these brilliant teachers that help educate us to this truth 🙏

[@qubitcream]

Thank You Swamiji. Such a patience and openness to take the questions on their face.

[@knowthetruth311]

No one has ever explained this truth to the core like you swami sarvapriyananda.....from here one can automatically be enlightened ❤❤❤❤

[@mountfitness5875]

All knowledge from guru sarvapriyananda ji🙏

[@vanamatrika..]

Existence depends on knowability, Knowability depends on knower Knower depends on consciousness Which depends on something else is false....it is appearance,as name form usage The name form n usage comes in three states,waker,dreamer,deep sleeper...but reality exists as the basis of of these three,that is fourth or turiya,the consciousness. Second time listening...and still awestruck with a sense of humble but respect for myself. Pranam swamiji....this is really the most precious gem. Even the om...om is everything....within time n transcending time...and that is brahman,that is atma,the self...and that is I.

[@rameshkhare2078]

Swamiji pranam, what a great teacher you are? Charan sparsh.

[@anusarikashree6109]

Soo deep.. amazing session

[@muktidaam5140]

Swamiji pranams with Guru's grace able to catch what you're trying to express... very contemplative.... Pranamas to lotus feet

[@akshaysahu3214]

Very good session to practice the right way of chanting Om and the meaning of 4 states. Looking forward to learn more. Thank you Swamiji🙏🙏.

[@saritasingla8559]

Saadar pranaam revered Swami Ji

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Jai Shree Indra, Jai Mumma Usha, Jai Shree Garuda, Jai Shree Brahspathicharya Dev, Jai Shree Shukracharya Dev, Jai Swami Vivekananda Ji, Jai Shree Ramakrishna, Jai Mumma Saradha, Jai Swami Sarvapriyananda, Jai Mumma Lakshmi, Har Har Mahadev, Jai Mumma Universe, Jai Mumma Durga, Jai Mumma Saraswati, Jai Mumma Tripura Sundari ki ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@johnathanedwards8430]

Thank you so much Swami Ji for spreading the Supreme Truth on KZbin, because of your selfless work many people are realizing their Brahmanhood and waking up from the dream of form. Thank you for causing the truth that Brahman is real, the world is an appearance, and we are Brahman (Non-dual). This is so awesome, it is like a man waking from a dream and saying with all conviction, "it was not real" but I am real. Namaste Swami Ji!!!!🙏🙏🙏

[@yogiepanday9216]

I love the way swami ji is about to say experience but suddenly stops at "x"... Prostrations Swami Ji

[@msharini8916]

Thank you swamiji for a wonderful and simple ,easy to understand explaination of a profound subject

[@debarya]

My mother's name was (Late) Gayatri ... after my initiation I(13yrs) had told my KulaGura that I need to call 'Maa Maa' for 108 times & my Sandhya would be over.

[@Phantom.1]

You are very patient.

[@rashmichhetri8399]

Thank you so much swamiji🙏 So grateful to you 🌟

[@gb4939]

If I understand correctly the debate on knowability and existence, the tricky part is that there is a difference between what we could call : - a potential, hypothetical existence - wich, in fact, will be something that we imagine when we think about it (therefore, in such a case, the object that is experienced, known, is a mental image from our imagination, not an external object), and - an experienceable, knowable thing wich, in that case, is considered to have an existence, based on what I heard here. But I'm not sure. Debate is welcome.

[@gunjanshukla4548]

Yes

[@lovemyskool7539]

Pranam Swamiji, I am very thankful for your KZbin lectures on upnishads. They are very insightful and make it easier to understand the profound meanings of the mantras of the upanishad. It has helped me immensely in my Upanishad studies. On your lecture on Mandukya upanishad mantra 2 - inquiry about the self, I have couple of doubts. Especially abut the 5 steps that you have explained for understanding the 4 aspects of Atma. I would be very grateful to you if you can help me clear these doubts. Doubt 1 - Does Atman/Consciousness Exist? You have very well explained that Existence is dependent on knowability, knowability on Knower and Knower on Atman/Consciousness. But if we used the same test for existence of Atman/Consciousness, won’t we conclude that Atman/Consciousness does not not exist as it cannot pass the first test of “Knowability”. We know Atma is not knowable, it is beyond knowledge. In that case we come to a strange conclusion that everything is mythia (false) except the Atman/Consciousness and Atman/Consciousness does not the exist or is “nothing”. So what we are left with is mythia and nothing. Doubt 2 - how can we conclude that existence is dependent on Knower? Knowability of anything does not depend on the knower. There can be an existence which is knowable but it is not known as there is no knower. But the existence can be independent of the knower. The first condition is just the knowability it is not “that it should be known” just the knowability is good enough. Many Thanks in advance. Chirag Doshi Vadodara, Gujarat

[@shivananda747]

Pranam Swamiji

[@poushalimitra5730]

Understood . Mandukya upanishad has to be gone through thoroughly.

[@kumartallam8381]

Enjoying all the great talks

[@anuradhasubramaniam1808]

Shathakoti pranams thanks guruji

[@ashiskarmakar7292]

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[@Abodha0923]

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[@nikhileshchitnis]

Thank you Swamiji ❤️🙏👌

[@Runsinwaves]

1:23:05 maybe, like a 3D printer. Same stuff, different form & function

[@MrMarktrumble]

Thank you

[@doraiswamijaichandra2068]

Thank you Swami! Question: Where does innovations lie in the knowability. We know it falls under the realm of Knower! Thanks!

[@tanmoychatterjee5924]

Pronam to Revered Swami Sarvapriyananda.I agree with Swami-ji's logic that Prameyam and Pramata do not have any real existence. Now, I put forward a supposition at this point of discussion. I (as knower) can feel the existence of an inanimate object (Prameyam) like a wooden lectern (or "lecternly wood", as per Swami -ji"s logic). On the other hand, such an inanimate object may not feel my existence, as it may not possess any instrument of knowledge to know me. Yet both of these have been put into the same group, false existence/ Mithya, having ?same characteristics. What is it that separates the two in spite of being within the same group? Can the "Prakasha-Bimarsha theory" in Kashmir Shaivism lend a helping hand to explain the fundamentals in this case?

[@manikyapathak2845]

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[@bc0125]

How can you know what the lectern feels? Are you the lectern? You are imposing your experience onto a lectern. The lectern is just an example, not a thing to be debated about. What you know is only known via your awareness and what the Swamiji is saying is that without awareness, nothing, including the lectern, would be knowable by you

[@rajshenoy8506]

the challenge to Kartikeya and Ganesha is who can circle the universe first - there is no mention of number of times :)

[@sunilbhora28]

1.To exist a thing must be knowable .existence depends on knowability 2.Knowability depends on Knower A=b= c 3.Knower depends upon consciousness First conscious then you are knower and depends upon instrument of mind 4. That which depends upon something else is dependent existence It is called mithya the false ... Gold is true necklace is false Wood is true table is false Conscious is true knower is false Water is true wave is false Consciousness appears as knower and knowable Knower and knowable are naam roop and vyawara ..... Name for and use 5. 4 aspects of self ( Aatma ) 1. The waker and waking word The dreamer and dream word Deep sleeper ( blankness ) 1.Jagrut , 2.swapna and 3.susuhpthi 4.Turya Is consciousness All 3 are false only 4th is true

[@edidinescu5906]

. * 💜 S R I Shree R A *V M*i Av Ke Rk Ia SarvapriyaNanda Puri. Ha Nn Ada 💜 * . Metaphor(s) as by writig your name(s).. 💜 * .

[@Kipson49]

Is there then any relationship between "knowability" and "awareness" in terms of understanding "existence"

[@ankurmishra7773]

Rephrase the question? What is understanding existence. Assuming you mean your existence (you as in body mind here). And existence as in physical existence. Also, awareness/consciousness are English words used for Atman, your true essence. That’s who you really are. Please clarify what you mean by knowability?

[@Kipson49]

@@ankurmishra7773 Thanks for your input. I think I understand now. One cannot equate knowability with awareness. 😊

[@ankurmishra7773]

@@Kipson49 the upanishads say that Atma Can’t be known in a physical sense. Like how one knows objects like a chair table etc. it’s knowledge. And what is the proof of awareness consciousness. You are. Your experiences are. Even dead people have ears. Do they listen? It’s the consciousness that shines through illumines pervades your senses in waking state. Even when you’re in deep sleep, consciousness illumines but it is aware of absence of activity if the mind. Hope this helps. Feel free to ask any more questions please. As a general idea, this is subtle knowledge. Subtler than the mind. So any attempt at objectification will fail. It’s what the mind does. Frames it’s understanding of things by objectifying it. :)

[@Kipson49]

@@ankurmishra7773 thank you

[@ankurmishra7773]

@@Kipson49 you’re welcome. If you’re interested in Advaita Vedanta and haven’t studied it yet, tattva bodha by Shankaracharya is a great place to start. Then other introductory texts etc.

[@jay19chandra77]

Need clarification! We are using the example of Sun, but let us consider the example of black holes for instance. Black holes existed but unknown to all except a handful who understood the science and mathematics. But the experience came much later after the invention of powerful telescopes. Can we therefore say that Knowability is independent of the unknown and the knower?

[@manikyapathak2845]

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[@sidhantsharma9961]

How can knowability be independent of a knower? Who knows without the knower? See, black holes would've been non existent if there was no possibility of ever knowing them. But it did get hypnotized and known eventually right?

[@Ramanapadamalai]

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[@kaberidutta9570]

In absence of video missed the charts. This is my bad luck 😢

[@krishna-pi1xf]

So pramata is body of (I/CONSCIOUSNESS)

[@Suman-londn]

Better keep the questions at the end...

[@quotestruth.8636]

Starts from: 32:04

[@discoveryourself0]

32:00 four aspects

[@mmurthy7431]

Good commentary. One question, please: while explaining the step #4 about dependent existence, you asserted that a) wood is true and a lectern made of wood is not; b) materiality of gold is real and true while an ornament of gold is not. I feel that none of the materials, regardless of how we experience them, is true and only the energy is real and true. Let me extend your dependency to say, even gold is not real as it is composed of a known set of atomic particles, even the atomic particles are not real as we know certain specific composition of quarks make up the subatomic particles and this dependency chain goes on till the only source of all matter is all-pervading energy or Paramatma. Do you agree?

[@vanamatrika..]

That the same thought i had.... But it was derailing me from the lecture...so i stopped there....at the wood n lecturn level... But the whole thing actually depends on consciousness...the brahman or atma... From philosophical point n physics point...

[@ashwinisriram591]

tyy

[@reachbhargava]

To the questioner about the existence: I say a Moon2 for Earth exists but you/none can know it, has known it

[@marcclairefontaine3609]

Le Soi "transcende" la pure conscience car Il est antérieur, prédominant et connaissant celle-ci! Comme l'a écrit, dans l'Uttara-Gita, Gaudapada:" For the attainment of my desired goal I take refuge in the Self, the entire substratum, unfragmented, beyond the reach of speech ant the mind, existence, pure conscience and bliss." Donc, cette pure conscience est dépendante du Soi; alors que ce dernier, est et en demeure, Indépendant et Libre à celle-là...! Cordialement!

[@ManasaMahesh-m9t]

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[@vishnuraj5212]

Pranam.Thank you for the wonderful talk. Is this is last talk by samiji in chapter 1? I can't find the next sequence.Chapter 2 also missing.kind request for uploading the same

[@pratik6342]

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[@ringingthebells307]

We know gravity today hence only we can say that gravity existed billions of years ago even when there was no experiencer. Means its experience/knowing today makes presence of knowability in the past, billions of years ago. If nobody ever experienced it or know it what is gravity, how can he raise the question that it is something which must have existed without knower in the past? We dont experience 10 hands human today , can we raise a question it existed billions of years ago? Todays discoveries makes knowabilities of the things of the past . We r alive makes that we have great grandfathers in the past. We can not tell about the existence of great grandfathers of a non existent/ non experienced Mr XYZ? Such great concepts can only be thought but can not be explained in language. In the lightening , we now know that it is electricity and we can say in the past when there was no knower, it must be electricity. We dont experience honey in it and can say in the past there wasnt any honey in it. When we dont experience anything how can we say that these must have existed in the past?

[@sca8217]

Namaskar! For Swamiji's statement about knowability and existence, I would propose this argument : Assuming the force of gravity . We assume that ever since this Universe has existed, objects have grossly observed the laws of gravity. Asteroids changed paths in the vicinity of a big planet. Collapsing stars pulled light surrounding them inwards . And so on. Meaning, even though there was no conscious observer ( at least to the understanding a modern thinker), 'objects' , 'things' grossly followed the laws of Gravity. Would that not be, in a sense, knowability of Gravity? Would that also not imply , therefore, that consciousness exists independent of a conscious observer? This is just my observation in support of Swamiji's statement. And also in support of the broad supposition that consciousness transcends biology.

[@sidhantsharma9961]

See, look at his definition of knowable. Something is known or can be known. If during the time gravity was there, and there was a knower, would it know have been known? Don't just be stuck in the past when you think of the knowable. Force of gravity would've been non-existent/meaningless had there been no knower to ever know/experience it. As he explained it with object x.

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[@DBYSH]

are you working with expectations ?

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[@theparthapratimbasu]

Namaskar swamiji as per the first stage only things can exist if it is knowable to self . As existence depends on knowability, It is the truth - When one knows Brahman then only Brahman ( The individual) can exist to one. Please enlighten

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[@GreatGranger]

It's Quantum mechanics, thing is not there if nobody is looking/ sensing it

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[@jimmysingla3566]

Suppose I came to your home , took turn from main road till market as I was there before I had a memory , or i accessed some already built memory to arrive at the destination hence it can inferred as if the present that which is appearing is based on some memories only .lets us suppose that somehow all the previous memory is erased..and that include the texture , knowledge of colours , shapes and forms etc ...then what will be the experience ....i suppose it would be nothing or empty !! And will be non existent...and this required memory on which the experience depends in turn depends on the knowability of the knower ..hence depends on the knower or the experiencer..

[@SajiRavi]

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Don't push Annoyance with , , , SupranhTi great !PRANAM!,! NEITHER hv diiner nor slept proper get up 2-30 started writing..being late come out.

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[@sheilaroy5376]

Sir ,clear doubts at the end

[@nalinbhatt9858]

Dear Swamiji, you are very patient, but questions can be left in last 10 mins .Majority of students would like to progress further and concentrate on what you have to say and teach.This is very polite suggestion.

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