2 Popular Airplanes - 3 STRIKING Differences

[@chrisc161]

That’s the way is done. Been legal and been safe 2 different things so your approach to flying solo before taking family is the way to go. Thank you for sharing.

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Chris! I totally agree 100%. I did not feel comfortable having them in the airplane while I was practicing and getting familiarized with the Saratoga. And I am so glad I made that decision. Transitioning into another airplane for me requires focus and concentration and I wanted to be very well acquainted with the airplane. It handles totally different than the Cherokee Six!

[@chrisc161]

@@FlyingDirty I did the exact same thing when I bought my Turbo Arrow. Thank you sharing.

[@FlyingDirty]

@UChrJI3p7wP9Ti%F0%9F%98%80PjPXUakB5w ​My buddy has a turbo Arrow and he used to pick on me regarding speeds. Now I tell him to suck on my exhaust LOL

[@pilotreefer2930]

I own a PA28RT-201T for over six years, based at KFRG. I’ve flown twice to MDPP and the Bahamas. I’ve flown as high of FL190 and with a tail wind of 101 knots I’ve gone as fast of 252 knots. I have the Avidyne 550 with and Aspen Evolution and I absolutely love her capability. I bought this plane while in ground school and now I am flying Citations. 57 years old and I am a kid with big responsibilities and I’m loving every minute. I can’t really say that an Turbo Arrow is a trainer, it’s not, but I continue to learn everything I can. I hear you my friend, a turbo makes a difference when going around stuff. Continue with you awesome videos. I had to change my turbo for a new one after 1000 hours. Well worth it. Thank you for your awesome contents

[@kasm10]

I always get fired up after watching your videos, thanks!

[@FlyingDirty]

That’s pretty darn awesome 😎 thanks a lot!

[@PilotDaveAviation]

it's great to see you flying the Saratoga and taking all of us along in your journey ! As always, thanks for sharing your flying time ! CYA

[@FlyingDirty]

Thank you as always Dave! 😀

[@michaelhall9505]

Akron CO is my hometown. There is now a pizza place Miss Bea Havin' at the FBO! The Hayes family will treat you right and Gordon serves up some great grub.

[@FlyingDirty]

Akron has been one of my favorite places in CO to do practice approaches and a nice getaway. I’ve been spending much of my time now in KY but I’ll probably stop by one of these days. Thanks for letting me know! 😀

[@rickscents]

Great video. Been trying to decide on a Saratoga or a Malibu. Your video helped quite a bit. Thanks for sharing.

[@FlyingDirty]

Your very welcome Rick! 😀

[@cwr8618]

I like how you shouted out the truck driver. Solid. Man, i really want to know how you set yourself up to be able to own planes in the first place! It’s a dream to be able to do something like this

[@FlyingDirty]

Thanks for noticing! His was well deserved! He has a great spark in him and he’s been incredibly inspiring. I’d love to make a video about how I set myself up for airplane ownership. Let me see what I can plan for you!

[@cwr8618]

@@FlyingDirty boss, I would love to hear. We do ok financially, but nowhere near plane ownership money. Noticed you had a PR flag and mentioned FL. I'm most PR and used to live in Orlando for a while, then Pensacola while going through flight school with the military. 10 years later, trying to get back into things and dream of owning a 6 seater to take my fam around the country...

[@FlyingDirty]

@@cwr8618 I was born in PR and was raised in Florida. So I fly there around 3-4 times a year using the airplanes. The Cherokee Six and Saratoga are both great airplanes but the Six still beats the Saratoga on useful load.

[@FlyDriveShoot_It]

Excellent..... I am sure you are doing this but in case you are not be sure to always include the gear check in you checklist during landing in both the Saratoga and 6. I regularly fly a Bonanza, retractable gear and Cirrus, fixed gear. Flying between retractable and fixed gear airplanes raises the risk of a gear up landing. Just always include a gear check even in the 6.

[@FlyingDirty]

I welcome such great advise. Although I edit a lot out of the videos you can't help but to hear me say 3 green a lot of times. On the Six, I have a video coming up where I think you are going to hear gear is fixed. I've always avoided retractable gears because of such fear but I finally took the chance. I have naturally found myself doing the same check process in the Six as in the Saratoga and, so far, it's also been a smooth routine. Could not ask for any better advise! Thank you and I really appreciate it! 😀

[@kentmorrell3913]

Oh, and just ordered me a sticker and a shirt! Can’t wait to get them! Thank you!

[@FlyingDirty]

Nice Kent, I got a few orders today and one of them is yours buddy! I'll get it out to you ASAP! 😀

[@orlandoabreus2596]

Thank you for lessons ! I am always learning from you. and taking notes.

[@FlyingDirty]

My pleasure my friend! Thanks for sharing and always being around! 😀

[@cesararevalo2399]

Congratulations on your new biger plane... getthing better and biger therefore more secure it's always good for you and your family... enjoy your new family plane

[@FlyingDirty]

Thanks a lot Cesar! The Turbo Saratoga has been an incredible experience so far! On the next video I'll take it to Florida 😀

[@cesararevalo2399]

@@FlyingDirtya trip to the east coast and great beaches, playas and cocos, good to know.. I'll be looking forward to watch that clip. Stay happy and healthy...

[@FlyingDirty]

@@cesararevalo2399 Hi Cesar, just released the first clip of the Florida flight yesterday and the arrival into Tampa should be coming out next week. Thanks buddy!

[@EJWash57]

Raul, you hit a chord here. I totally relate to wanting to get time in your Saratoga before you take your family along. I'm still getting settled in my Decathlon (acquired September 2021). After the ferry to its new home (17-hours) and an additional 10-hours, I'm gonna take my wife along with me. The last time she flew with me in a Citabria and Decathlon was just over 40-years ago. I laid-down a 35+ year airline career in-between. Time-in-type and comfortability-in-type matters!

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi EJ! I totally agree with you on that point. At first glance one might think that a PA32 Six and PA32 Saratoga may be an automatic transition but they are very different in handling. I like to get to know the feel of an airplane and know how it wants to respond. So, although legal to carry passengers, my first reason for delaying passengers on board is safety. The second reason is focus and concentration. I find that flying solo assures me the best learning environment. It allows me to remain focused and concentrated on the task at hand. The third reason is comfort of flight. Usually when I practice I like to make steep turns, stalls, simulate engine out procedures, etc. Those are not the type of flights that most passengers would enjoy. Thanks for sharing EJ!

[@garyjones6914]

I have seen a young lady flying diveries in Alaska with a 6. Turbo normalizer 👍 thank you sir!

[@FlyingDirty]

I wish I could have gotten my hands on one. Thanks for that! 😀

[@flyingphobiahelp]

Thanks for the comparison. Only flown Saratoga TC but no experience with a Cherokee 6. Such a good idea to do 10h in your new acft b4 taking your family.

[@FlyingDirty]

Your very welcome Douglas! The Six is much simpler than the TC Saratoga. Plus, the Hershey bar wing acts like a speed brake when reducing power LOL. Unlike the Saratoga's Tapered wing which is more slick and does not want to slow down like the Six. Putting the gear down and flaps timely on an approach is crucial. Bottom-line, the TC Saratoga requires much more competence and ADM for sure. I certainly wanted to feel completely comfortable in the Saratoga before taking passengers. Thanks buddy! 😀

[@flyingphobiahelp]

@@FlyingDirty closest experience I have with the Hershey wing was an Arrow which I flew for many years. Recall it was very difficult to do a kisser landing 😂😂

[@FlyingDirty]

@@flyingphobiahelp Absolutely, the Hershey wing does not like to float. To get greasers it will require power management all the way to touchdown. On the Six I land with a degree of power and slowly reduce until it slowly settles.

[@bernardanderson3758]

I’m looking forward to flying with you in both planes one day and I’ve seen a few PA-32s for sale and I’ll have to get a sticker for my vehicle and May God truly bless you Brother

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Bernard, thanks and God Bless you also my brother! 😀

[@kentmorrell3913]

Awesome! Me and the daughter flew to Sydney NB this morning. Had a great flight! Breakfast or lunch at the Barnstormer in Greeley still a deal buddy! Be safe

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Kent, I hope you had a great trip and enjoy your time over there buddy! I never got an email but reach out at [e-mail] so we can plan it out! 😀

[@kentmorrell3913]

@@FlyingDirty I did but it must of not went through? I’ll try again buddy

[@FlyingDirty]

@@kentmorrell3913 sounds good!

[@steveconaway774]

Another great video Raul. I’m curious if you’re going to make the big Dynon investment in the Saratoga too. I have to say, I absolutely LOVE my Skyview HDX and I don’t think I could go to owning a plane without it. If I can make one recommendation, if you decide to do it, spend the extra money and add a second screen on the right side. I did the 10” on the left and 7” on the right and it’s great. I don’t think it’ll cost a whole lot more and I think your son will really like it when you let him fly the plane.

[@FlyingDirty]

I’d love to put another HDX but this time, it’s not looking like it. I refuse to get another Trutrak autopilot and they decided to go with approving the PA34 for the autopilot which is a move that I never understood. To me, it would have made more sense to approve the PA28 & PA32 first. Currently I have a good working legacy autopilot which I’d prefer to keep but they also have no compatibility with legacy autopilots. So it looks like Dynon is out. I may have to go with Garmin this time around.

[@andrewthomson9854]

Thanks for the video. Getting into Aviation. Starting lessons soon at KAPA. What did you train on prior to the 6/300?

[@FlyingDirty]

Congratulations on your journey my friend 😀 Prior to the 6 and the Saratoga I flew a great deal of different airplanes from Warriors, Cessnas, and Beechcrafts.

[@kenlewis4480]

Nice landing. I have found too that full flaps are best for a Cherokee or Saratoga landing. It greatly reduces that final approach speed from 90 down to around 79 knots. And I see even the turbo Saratoga has the broomstick flap handle. I find a Cherokee a little soggy on takeoff up to about 300 agl. Then, it seems to really accelerate.

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Ken, they both have two different style of wings. On the Cherokee Six I personally do not like landing with full flaps much. The stubbiness of the Hershey wing already has a lot of drag and it does not like to float. At slow speeds it also likes to sink. If a person is not aware of this, they can have a hard landing by going right through the ground effect. For this and other reasons, the wing was changed to the tapered wing. But now it does the opposite. The tapered wing does not have as much drag, it climbs better, floats on ground effect and glides so much better. So on the Saratoga I prefer to use full flaps to keep the speeds in check. The Cherokee Six also does not like taking off with no flaps and the Saratoga likes it. But I like them both and they both serve their own unique purpose. 😀

[@derek112777]

Love your videos! What is the full fuel useful load?

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Derek, thanks a lot buddy 😀. The Saratoga with full fuel = 630 and the Six = 1322.

[@derek112777]

The Cherokee 6 actually carries double the weight WITH full fuel?!

[@FlyingDirty]

@@derek112777 That should not be much of a surprise. The Cherokee Six has been used as load haulers since they came out and that’s why it’s one of the most go to family single engine airplanes. Not your best performer but it gets the heavier jobs done! You will hear me talk a lot about the useful load of the Cherokee Six throughout my videos.

[@yamilcabrera2111]

Raul great video and awesome planes. I noticed you used K brand headsets that are much cheaper than the Bose A20 and no noise canceling. I love my bose’s. Any particular reason.

[@FlyingDirty]

Nice question Yamil! There are several reasons but I'll try to narrow it down. I've tried several headsets over the years and I have never been convinced to pay the premium for other products. I personally have not noticed much of a difference between sound when I've tested different headsets. I also have helped in the past install a number of instrument panels for a local shop where I have come to realize that the biggest difference in sound quality is determined by the sound panel and not so much the headset. A bad sound panel will not make any headset sound good. But the reverse is true. Lastly, I am also a strong supporter of the smaller companies.

[@yamilcabrera2111]

@@FlyingDirty ah ok. As a student I felt I struggled to hear ATc with those cheaper headsets and ended up getting the nose . Now owning a piper warrior and having sound proofed it is hard to tell if the nose make that much of a difference. Thanks for the Great learning videos.

[@FlyingDirty]

@@yamilcabrera2111 my pleasure! What you probably didn’t realize was that the audio panel may have also been older so noise canceling may have made a significant difference. But most new radio panels have great built in audio features and levels that make noise canceling on the expensive headsets virtually unnoticed. On my Turbo Saratoga, for example, the audio panel is old and poor. But in the Cherokee Six, however, any headset that I have plugged in sound pretty good. The point is invest in a good audio panel way before investing so much on a headset. Once you get a good audio panel you may quickly realize that you don’t necessarily need expensive headsets. I hope that helps! Thanks and I appreciate your comment! 😀

[@averyjohnson2321]

Great video!!! I appreciate the comparisons. I still think you like your Cherokee 6 more than the Saratoga... As an aspiring pilot, which plane costs more to pilot? Are you keeping both or are you going to sell the Cherokee 6?

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Avery! I really like them both for their own uniqueness but if it would have been possible to slap a turbo on the Cherokee Six then I certainly would have preferred to go that route. The turbo Saratoga, because it’s a a turbo and a complex airplane it will cost more to pilot. It also burns between 2-6 gallons more per hour depending on power settings and conditions. But it is a heck of a lot faster so I make up for most of the fuel burn. At this point, I have to keep the Cherokee Six because of the useful load when traveling with the entire family. The Cherokee Six is tough to beat in cost and loading capabilities. If the turbo Saratoga had 200 more useful load available then I could get rid of the Cherokee Six. For now, I’ll enjoy both until the time comes to make a decision. Since it appears that I’ll be transitioning to the east coast (lower elevation) I would not be surprised if I got rid of the Saratoga since the Turbo would not be helping any in lower elevations. We’ll see 😀

[@paulhuckaby]

Interested to hear your comparison between the Garmin 530 in the Saratoga and the Avidyne in your Cherokee

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Paul, I might be able to do one better. I actually got rid of the 530 and put in an Avidyne 540. There's just no comparison between the two. The competitor of the Avidyne 540 would be the 750 but I still decided to go with Avidyne. It is that good! Even more so now that Garmin is actually moving from legacy or 3rd party compatibility. I will not be supporting that!

[@duanekauffman1818]

Awesome informative video. I know you spoke about the difference on both planes with ground affect, have you noticed any difference with how the Cherokee 6 Hershey bar wings handle in turbulence verses the Saratoga?

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Duane, very interesting question! I am not sure that I could accurately tell the difference. Every bump and circumstance is different. For accuracy both airfoils would have to be tested in the same environment conditions. But, I would have to immediately say that the tapered wing has a larger aspect ratio so that would more than likely make it a bit worse. However, the Saratoga has air brakes and that is good for wing loading and helps with turbulence. Let's see if I could make something up on that Duane!

[@duanekauffman1818]

@@FlyingDirty I know that would be very difficult to determine. But thanks to your video you really got me thinking as I am very interested in selling my Cherokee 160 and upgrading to a Cherokee six. I will need the ability to haul decent cargo as in Sound system and guitars with my wife and two children. And so this was perfect timing for your video. You’re awesome and I appreciate every video.

[@FlyingDirty]

@@duanekauffman1818 Duane, I think the Cherokee Six might be the right one for you in your case. I will make a more in depth video but just so you know the Cherokee Six has about 400lbs more of useful load over the Saratoga. If density altitude is not a major concern for you then I would go with a Six to haul more.

[@tookster5104]

Good morning @Flying Dirty, I love your videos. I am considering getting my pilots liscence as well and would love to begin flying for the same reasons as you. I want to be able to take my family where ever we want to go without having to wait. Any beginners tips would be awesome, also would love to pick your brain on safe plane options.

[@FlyingDirty]

Hello there 😀 Thanks a lot and I appreciate you! I would really encourage you to get your ppl my friend. I’ve always loved aviation and been flying since 1998. It’s one of my best accomplishments and family experiences of all time. As for safe airplanes there are many options. An airplane is as safe as the pilot and the maintenance of the airplane. For family airplane options I personally prefer the PA32s, A36, 206, or a Cirrus (depending on family size). Also consider that often times a 4 seater may really be a 2-3 seater. Thanks my friend!

[@PoasLodge]

Really love both airplanes. Some people don't like the blunt nose of the Saratoga with the big open intake below but I love em! Always wanted to do a tiger shark nose art on one. HA! Do you use your aircraft for business or just personal use?

[@FlyingDirty]

I agree! I like that design myself! Not to mention, it keeps that engine and turbo nice and cool! I’ve always found ways to connect my flying and just about everything I do with business for deductions. I initially got the Cherokee Six to be able to check on my rental properties in Dallas but, at the same time, visit the family. Then I got Flying Dirty si that I can expand on that. So essentially, just about all of my personal flying is related to businesses. Great question! It sounds like a great future video topic! 😀

[@PoasLodge]

@@FlyingDirty Thanks for the reply man. I have a pretty cool flying business idea but I have to tie things off down here in Costa Rica and get back to Texas myself. Until then... I fly with you guys "virtually". Keep it up! And dirty side down!

[@FlyingDirty]

@@PoasLodge absolutely! You’re welcome onboard and many thanks to you!

[@beacher425]

When you start having trips with the family, I would be interested in their feedback concerning the rear facing seats vs the forward facing middle seats on your Six.

[@FlyingDirty]

We've had a few flights together already. My chidden love the club seating configuration but, for a family of four it will not make much of a difference. Because of useful load and CG I've found myself removing the center seats in the Saratoga when we pack it up. I have a lot of videos in the backlog but I'll make a point to video one covering this subject in a future episode. 😀

[@beacher425]

@@FlyingDirty Thanks, looking forward to the next video.

[@FlyingDirty]

@@beacher425 Thank you and you're very welcome!

[@azcharlie2009]

I'm curious what the fuel burn is in comparison to the Six? Is the Saratoga more fuel efficient? I'm happy with my little Archer, but if I had your money, I'd buy a Saratoga for sure.....

[@FlyingDirty]

It's actually very efficient if most of your trips are long range like mine. In the Saratoga I can cruise at 65% power burning around 15-17 gph (depending on outside temperatures) while averaging around 170 kts. In the Cherokee Six I have to burn 13-15 gph to keep the Cylinders happy and at much slower speeds of around 127kts. So in comparison, on a leg to Florida I'd save over 32 gallons and I only have to do 1 stop vs. 2 in the Cherokee Six. To Dallas the Saratoga would save around 10 gallons and no stops vs the 1 stop with the Six. In all, I save a time and fuel with the Saratoga! But I can't pack a Saratoga like a Six which is the reason many people opt for the Six as their family airplane of choice.

[@crfdln]

I am a low time GA pilot with ~3,000 hrs total, 1,800 of those hrs in a fixed gear non-turbo Saratoga. I can get my non-turbo FG Saratoga up to 17,000' MSL and have flown it drectly over Mt. Rainier, Mt. Shasta, Pikes Peak, Mt. Elba and even Mt. Whitney. For pilots interested in flying in the mountains, take your plane up as high as you can and see how it acts before going over high terrain.

[@FlyingDirty]

Being from the Rockies and experienced flying over high terrain I’d say your recommendation is a great idea. Flying over high terrain and then getting boxed in is not the time to test the airplane’s performance. I’d take it a step further and go with an instructor for a mountain flying course. Thanks a lot for sharing!

[@crfdln]

If you're a flatlander, I always recommend taking instruction from a mountain plot instructor and get Sparky Imeson's MUNTAIN FLYING BIBLE before going. @@FlyingDirty

[@peterspadaro1470]

Raul , how is the visibility over the dash in the Saratoga ?

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Peter, being that I'm already used to the long nose of the Cherokee Six it's not that bad. They actually made the cowling slightly shorter and sloped for better visibility so I would say it's slightly better than the Six.

[@kenlewis4480]

Oh, question. Do you lean a non-turbo Cherokee before takeoff in high DA periods? The POH doesnt say anything about that.

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Ken, not sure what you mean “in high Density periods”. At low elevations where the density altitude is not significant I would not lean other than to taxi. But if you are at a high density altitude airport, such as, Centennial with an elevation of 5800 and density altitudes of 9000 and above then I always lean non aspirated engines for best performance. If you do not, it could be a very bad day. I’d study a bit about leaning engines. It can be very deadly when not done correctly. We’ve had a number of fatalities throughout the Rockies due to density altitude. The POH should have all of your leaning performance charts.

[@t.d.r.autosport263]

Hello from Orlando, FL. I've been thinking of buying a single piston, and the Turbo Saratoga is by far at the top of my list, do you think it is a good first plane?

[@FlyingDirty]

The Cherokee Six was a good starter airplane for me. The Turbo Saratoga, however, is much more demanding than the Cherokee Six and does require more ADM. Although I’ve been flying the Cherokee Six for over a decade I have to say that everything about how the Saratoga responds is totally different and more complex. So I’d say it really depends on the pilot’s experience including having an instrument rating. Many insurance companies will deny coverage on the Saratoga without an instrument rating and/or without a number of hours. Those that don’t deny coverage will charge a good premium. Thanks 😊

[@t.d.r.autosport263]

@@FlyingDirty Thanks for the response. this does help to make a decision

[@FlyingDirty]

@@t.d.r.autosport263 my pleasure my friend! Let me know what you come up with.

[@raya.2041]

Thank you for the video. I believe you mentioned keeping it at 65% power. What sort of true airspeed and fuel burn are you getting up at altitude during cruise?

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Ray! I love your question but everything varies. All settings, specially with a turbo, are dependent on temperatures. On standard air temperatures the fuel flow at 65% could be as low as 14gph. So the colder the air the better I can set the fuel flow. To date, I have ranged from 16 - 17gph @ 65%power in the summer. The key is to keep the egt temperature below 1650. The true airspeed also varies with air temperatures, conditions and altitude. Having said that, at 9000 feet I can usually expect around 160kts, at 15,000 - 169 kts, and so far, I have taken her up to 17,500 and I see around 175kts. I have yet to test the flight levels but I have no doubt that I'll be up there soon!

[@flyingphobiahelp]

@@FlyingDirty I use 75% power and get 175 kts TAS at 9,000 ft. in our flying club Saratoga TC. Ahem….that’s with a fuel flow just under 20 gph.

[@FlyingDirty]

@@flyingphobiahelp 175kts @9,000 feet is pretty darn good. What year and does it have any mods? The 20gph @75% power is dead on accurate though. I generally like to cruise 10,000 or above (winds permitting) with 12-15k being my favorite. At 15,000 feet @65% power I'll get 165KTS TAS and burn 16 gph. The reason I choose to fly at 65% is because I have seen too many engine issues when I used to help my mechanic and about 90% of them always flew at 75% power. Without being too technical, the pressures and temperatures are much higher causing all type of premature issues. Also, 75% power is much less forgiving with improper leaning etc. Hey, thanks for the question! I like stuff like this! 😀

[@flyingphobiahelp]

@@FlyingDirty no mods but built just before Piper stopped production so circa 2008. We are instructed as club members to clean the acft after each flight so parasitic drag (mainly bugs in Texas 😂😂) is kept to a minimum. Flies pretty well on book values. Can’t comment on engine longevity but I fly per POH values- 32” and 2400 RPM keeping TIT circa 1620o

[@FlyingDirty]

@@flyingphobiahelp Yup! POH seems different. I'd never fly an airplane consistently at 32". Cylinder combustion pressures are very high. At those settings it becomes highly critical to keep the TIT and Cylinder temperatures in check. But even within temperatures, it can significantly reduce the life of the engine. At 75% power and 15,000 feet my POH calls for 28.8 MAP and 2300 RPM. But I like reducing it down to 24.5 MAP and 2300 RPM. Less pressures and engine stress, lower fuel burn, and much cooler temps. It's not a right or wrong type of thing but I just like pampering the engine as much as possible. Also, best power (100 degs rich of peak) will ruin an engine considerably. For longevity It's best to stay at peak EGT. At 65% power I can also do 25 degs lean of peak but I never go lean at 75% power. TIT Max is 1650 but your 1620 is better. I like to keep mine below 1600. Thanks for sharing those numbers with me and you aren't kidding about those bugs in the south. Mosquitoes look like birds 😃

[@PublicSafetyInc]

Did you end up putting new jugs on her? David is a GREAT guy! He’s bought and sold 2 of my airplanes. I had an offer accepted on 728 but went a different route. We bought a Seneca ii.

[@jhaedtler]

What is the difference between the Hershey bar wing and the taper wing in regards to the airfoil design? It almost sounds like the taper wing airfoil is a laminar flow airfoil.

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi John, The Hershey bar wing is very stubby. The short and thick designs handles stalls very well but it adds a lot of drag and it's not made for speed and sinks very fast. The tapered is a swept design and much longer and thinner. It's a much slicker airfoil and allows for faster speeds and better lift.

[@jhaedtler]

@@FlyingDirty I just looked up the airfoil numbers and the Saratoga has a 65-415 airfoil. And the 6 has a modified 65A-415. Bottom line thicker. The taper section of the wing helps with yaw control. Almost self centering! Thanks for the videos!

[@FlyingDirty]

@@jhaedtler My pleasure my friend!

[@DWBurns]

You are not kidding picking up the gear makes the plane faster. My instructor/flying buddy and I were out playing one day. We were at a now dual use AFB, KLCK Rickenbacker in Columbus, Ohio. Like all AFB’s it has long runways, very long. I have a Piper, Arrow II and my flying buddy likes to leave the gear down till there is no runway available. Tower had us turn early about 180* back toward home and I forgot the gear was down. To make it worse the sun was shining in on the green gear lights, could not tell they were on. On our flight home airspeed stayed at 125. I became annoyed and pushed the power up from 18” 2400rpm to 24/24 and got the 145 that we are accustomed. On the long downwind I turned over control to my instructor now not flying buddy, I am just getting back into flying, so he could land in the crosswind. About that time he asked if I put the gear down, I looked at him like he had 2 heads, no way, I am trying to go fast. It became apparent why it took so much power to go our normal speed.

[@FlyingDirty]

Incredible story my friend! It's amazing how much drag the gear adds. In the Saratoga I have hard time trying to slow it down so thank God for the speed brakes. But once I get to gear speed slowing down is natural 😀. I think leaving the gear down until the end of the runway is a really good practice. But on the Turbo Saratoga I have a difficult time doing that because the gear up max speed is 110KTs. It accelerates to that speed very fast so I have to put the gear up before reaching that speed. Thanks for sharing that great story my friend! 😀

[@DWBurns]

@@FlyingDirty I have that same issue, long runways I exceed max gear up speed before I run out of runway. Speed brakes…I can just pull power without shock cooling. I would love a turbo on my Lycoming 360 or better yet your engine on my Arrow. I am never happy with stock. I love your videos, you and I have a similar take on things, I like to see someone flying similar equipment to learn from your experience. Keep up the good work and I still can’t figure out how you got 2 planes in your hangar.

[@FlyingDirty]

@@DWBurns I think it goes without saying. Two great minds think alike 😀. I am an extremely determined individual. When I get an idea I normally find a way to make it happen. Getting those two airplanes in there was pure determination and I had to make it work. I have a future video coming up showing a little more magic! Thank you for that! Comments like yours are rewarding!😀

[@seanbuller7578]

you dun said it correctly brother. some gear for home time, some for road. they look great an fit well too! y'all need buy some gear, its badass and VERY worth it! awesome video too....💪💪💪

[@FlyingDirty]

Hello Sean! Great to hear from you my brother! Hope you liked the shoutout! 😀

[@seanbuller7578]

@@FlyingDirty sure did!! side note: i named truck "el vagabundo azul".....🤣🤣🤣

[@bradvaughan9061]

Did u ever look at the lance turbo?

[@FlyingDirty]

Hi Brad, I personally would not consider the Turbo Lance. There are several reasons but I'll narrow it down to 2 main reasons. 1 - The Turbo lance was riddled with engine heating problems which was the reason Piper changed the intake later on the Turbo Saratoga. With the improved air cooling induction it also allowed for the Saratoga to burn about 2 gallons less per hour than the Lance. However, some Lance owners say they have to burn 24-26gph to keep the CHT's below 400. There is an air intake mod that you can get to help with the heating but it gets rather expensive. Secondly, the lance like the Six, has the Hershey Bar wing and I did not want another wing spar AD to have deal with. For this reason alone I would not consider it!

[@nieves9306]

It's like having 2 ,suv with a 3rd row. Sell the six & get a warrior

[@FlyingDirty]

I prefer having the 2 suv's. It would be silly for me to trade a Six and downgrade for a Warrior. Besides, a warrior is practically a two seater airplane in Denver. I would not entertain such a thought for a even a split second. The Six is way more capable and has a 400lbs useful load over the Saratoga. I use both for different purposes and missions. The Saratoga cannot do what the Six can and vice versa!

[@whiskeysk]

@@FlyingDirty 400 pounds? oh wow! Now it all makes sense.

[@FlyingDirty]

@@whiskeysk The Cherokee Six is hard to beat on useful load. There will be times when the Saratoga cannot do the job.

[@WeponizedAutism]

rahhhh

[@FlyingDirty]

😀

[@BoycottChinaa]

Flying dirty?? Doesn't that mean guns and drugs on board? Seems like an invitation to getting searched

[@FlyingDirty]

You watch too much TV. An accomplished individual like myself doesn’t get moved by such stupidity. A lesson for you is to simply ask if you’re curious and withhold the unthinking and retarded assumptions. Because you have just shown the world your ignorance. Think before you comment! But perhaps this is an opportunity to be less ignorant and maybe learn something new. If you knew about aviation then you’d know what “Flying Dirty” means. Read a little and become more wiser and you might cease to come across as an ignorant individual!