2. The Many Kings of Macedon (+Achievement!) | Pyrrhus of Epirus Campaign | AoE2: DE Return of Rome

[@rdyt0]

I just love it when Ornlu somehow missed the two starting Catapults almost entirely thru this level.

[@ZIGUS333]

There is a funny dialogue when you are about to betray red while having your army inside his base, overall fun scenario

[@SimplyDuker]

What is the dialogue?

[@_pk_]

'Honorless cur' was in Attila 1 when you kill Bleda you during the boar hunt and come back to the village...the archers say Attila is an honorless cur for a leader this leading to a subsequent fight

[@KroM234]

The transport damaged is because of the bugged Replace object/Add HP effects... HP do not scale atm, be it when an object is replaced by another, or when you add HP to a unit. It has been so for months now, affecting custom and official content, but the devs do not seem to hurry about it. Maybe you could send them an email or something, they'll hear it better from you no doubt.

[@briannaherrington949]

I like to use the Shift queue commands when building Storage Pits, just to better specify what resource I want gathered first

[@globuspolski707]

In classic AoE1 an AI ally would IMMEDIATELY switch you to enemy if they were caught by a stray catapult shot(which was very easy to do), glad to see that’s not the case here :P

[@inconemay1441]

Easy to cheese this mission by sniping allied tcs with the starting catapults as well

[@gabea6518]

I often fought against demetrius on this scenario. On hard he has plenty of phalangites, and several cavalry and 4 ballistas. To defeat him is going to be a lot of comp bowmen and if he is close to the shores of Epirus, a lot of war galleys. They do massive damage against land troops. Though it did cost me most of the starting base... But once you vanquish Neoptolemus, just wall yourself in. Demetrius only goes after your main base and not the base you get once you have truly defeated Neoptolemus.

[@AK-xn6ds]

When I played this scenario, it bugged. Demetrius landed half of his army on the island next to his tower and could not get to me. So I just built a fleet and shot his helpless troops

[@graybradbury5397]

Demetrius attacks you with a bunch of Cavalry and Phalangites. He quickly steamrolled by base as I was off killing Blue and I had to mass up archers behind the walls in red's old base and attrition him out until I killed every other player completely... I eventually had to mass up a navy and Kill soldiers that didn't land back where his burning transports were.

[@CptSquirrel]

Truly is one of the best campaigns.

[@puremaster]

Man how was it so easy for you to get the units out of the transport ship??? When I did this a bunch of times only 2-3 would come out and I constantly had to disembark them manually

[@PhoenixAlaris93]

23:02 Lysimachus: Macedon is at peace once again. Pyrrhus, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Pyrrhus: Yeah.... about that....

[@WanderingPenguin16]

Reminds me about that time in the Hautevilles campaign: Norman Baron: *rambling about Duke William* Game: You can betray and capture a Norman barony by changing your diplomacy to enemy :))

[@ConscriptDavid]

Lord Basse is just a great writer.

[@sikandarsoin5809]

Can we agree that the greek accent is *chef's kiss*

[@Baalshazar]

I didn't ally with any of them, but I do hope you don't ge bugged on the next scenario or be prepared to slowly die to waves of legions eventually.

[@T2266]

12:30 yet there are wheels on the Stone Thrower

[@GovernorBroadsideDS]

My playthrough of this scenario is actually quite similar to your playthrough, with 2 notable differences. The first difference was I opted to kill red's army instead of his towers, which made the section where he betrays you much easier (even though I amassed a bunch of units around his TC and betrayed him first). He does have dialogue when you march a bunch of units into his town while still allied with him, but I can't remember what it was. 2nd difference was the order of TCs taken out. The 1st 2 TCs were the same for you and me, but the order of the 3rd and 4th were swapped. I had overpowered blue on the water, so I opted to use my transport ships to bypass his walls and land troops directly on his TC, then I proceeded to just squeeze out the next TC. By the time those TCs had been destroyed, I was running out of time, so I quickly just sent everything I had towards cyan's undefended TC (to whom I had allied), betrayed him, and destroyed it with like 10 seconds to spare before Demetrius' invasion.

[@joshuabekker1804]

I'm curious, historically, what would be the most accurate way of playing this mission?

[@juliantheapostate2263]

Ally with Alex V. ( He made the bad decision to invite both Phyrrus and Demetrios to save his throne) Defeat Antipater. Let Demetrios kill Alex V. Historically Phyrrus then allied with Lysimachus to throw Demetrios out. They succeeded and divided Makedon. Afterwards Phyrrus would ally with Demetrios' son to try to defeat Lysimachus and become sole king of Makedon. Only to be driven back to Epirus by him and loosing all his macedonian holdings. (I love Diadochi politics and wars)

[@joshuabekker1804]

@juliantheapostate2263 Thanks for your clear, concise answer. Much appreciated 😁

[@juliantheapostate2263]

@@joshuabekker1804 You are very welcome!. Another interesting fact: Alexander V. and Antipater were the sons of Kassander, the very man who murdered Alexander the Great's son, wife and mother.(Phyrrus' great aunt Olympias)

[@WanderingPenguin16]

(Longtime lurker here, breaking silence officially :) ) I've only been playing on Moderate, so my experience may be different, but I found defeating Demetrius' army much easier than fending off Cyan in the last scenario. His army consists of a whole bunch of Cavalry and Phalangites, which are much easier to defeat than Centurions once you have a critical mass of FU Hoplites and defend the chokepoints near your base with towers and siege. Also, I'm really excited to see you play this campaign since its the strongest of the RoR ones imo. Lord Basse's AI banter really makes the experience!

[@gerriejordaan8385]

This was not an easy mission for me on Hard. I sent my troops to take on Neoptolempus' Army by trying to either take out the towers first or reduce the number to five units, but got beaten twice. I wanted to use his army, thinking I will get his base. So, on my third attempt, I just micro managed, defeated them and got my revenge when they betrayed me later on and decided to ally with Lysimchus just to get the pressure off me with the sole intention of betraying him later. I will replay this scenario at some point to see how the others react to my choice of alliances and eventual betrayals.

[@vivladi3899]

Try using cavalry. The ability to quickly circle around and snipe TC's makes this mission pretty easy to get the achievement even on Hard

[@mamacitasenorita1680]

I allied with Lysimacho but couldnt destroy 5 tcs in time, had to fight Dimitrios' army as well, it was large waves of cav and hvy inf

[@CWig_99]

in my run I allied Antipater (so i wouldnt have to worry about my fish eco getting raided) and Lysimachus basically killed Neoptolemus while he was allied to me, so when Neoptolemus betrayed me he resigned immediately lol

[@inconemay1441]

Landing is bugged which can be annoying, but otherwise a Cheese'd Lighting scenario.

[@wulfaxe7661]

i just love how this campaing plays in fast speed, so the timers go down faster

[@gamerdanger7717]

There is no point to ally with anyone since you betray them a few min later. It was a complete waste of resources.

[@mryes413]

When ypu restarted the campaign it became light out.

[@AB-nu5we]

I allied with Antipater. Useless. Ha ha.

[@kdk81]

I think Lysimachos is the strongest of the three and therefore the best ally^^

[@SimplyDuker]

Pyrrhus dueling Pantauchus has to be of the very few examples we have as politicians settling by going for an actual 1v1 instead of using their armies throughout history.

[@alessandromaffi4498]

Lightning of Greece Nickname that General Tasos gives to General Timon in Three times three Muses a mourning for the death of knowledge by recently dying out in poverty from the Tracycomic Galaktion of Phocis

[@tamaskosa4456]

I managed to bug this scenario accidentally :D When I did this scenario I was planning to let the 3 kings be at war with each other for as long as possible. After a while cyan attacks red and Pyrrus states he doesn't need allies and will win on his own. Not realising the ally option has a time limit I turned cyan to ally nonetheless. He got allied but the towers still shot at me (weird) and the other 2 kings didn't join forces against me. I didn't get the alliance dialogues either. I think it was even easier this way. By the way I massed a 40 cavalry army and just ran through all TCs before Demetrius arrived. Very fun scenario! One of the best so far.

[@tibersulla2305]

Ornlu undecided between starting another attack on blue or taking care of red's betrayal ensuring a fight on 2 fronts, authentic Pyrrhus larping right there. Knowing purple was going to arrive from the east via sea, I allied with blue thinking I could use his access to the water to stop purples landing, ended up not being necessary tho... I actually found his ships with my navy, but you can't attack them, waste of wood.. Really fun scenario tho, the initial sneak attack, deciding on alliances, red's betrayal and all under a timer for an incoming enemy army, to bad they just give you way too much time, even to a slow player like myself. One fun thing you missed, if you mass an army on red's base before he betrays you he actually remarks on that; "Hey.. What are your troops doing here?" smth among the lines.

[@TrackmaniaKaiser]

I allied with yellow and teal more or less killed demitious. I killed blue and later on teal and yellow. Newer saw much of demitious. But I smell a rat if there is one, so i walled the two bridges out of precaution

[@Soler4485]

Hey Ornlu I know you talk to the devs often so I wanted to report a bug. Basically if you aren't able to complete this achievement in time some of Demetrius' men don't board the transport ships and because the devs didn't allow dock placement on the other side of the map the scenario becomes unwinnable since you can't get to the remainder of Demetrius' men.

[@furioni333]

What I did was defeat blue, and red, a bit of the yellow dude. Then fortify a big army on the bridge, archers behind. When the army spawns at the end. We had a big epic battle on the bridge. Fun stuff.

[@tyranitararmaldo]

Dimitrius you need to be tactical with. I let him fight my ally (yellow) and his army arrived piecemeal along a bridge that I blocked off with hoplites, backed up with lots of composite bowmen to thin his numbers.

[@satekoi]

I think it's easier if you don't become allies any of three brothers. They not attack you even you attack one brother. Those brothers wars just make your's job easier, they sent most of theirs troops to face each others So you get easily defeat one-by-one those brothers.

[@frankieseward8667]

Ooh. Someone took inspiration from Jadwiga.

[@jordinagel1184]

Isn’t this campaign made by the same guy?

[@kdk81]

@@jordinagel1184 Yes, both campaigns are from Lord Basse.

[@sikandarsoin5809]

You turned the lighting off!! smh

[@CptManboobs]

In classic AoE1 using catapults on ally buildings would cause them to enemy you.

[@CptSquirrel]

also scythe chariots, all units that do a little aoe daamge, I had nightmares as a kid, the whole map went dark and all my allies attacked me : (, never used them ever again.