2 week review 2 ton excavator from Alibaba

This is my 2 week review of my 2 ton excavator purchased through Alibaba and shipped to Ontario Canada. Was shipped from China to Vancouver then train to Mississauga were I picked it up myself on my trailer. From purchase to receiving it was around 3 months due to shipping backlogs.

[@workingmanrondoyle3287]

Thank for sharing Doyle. Nice machine you got there 👍

[@dinomite_diggers3453]

Thanks for sharing. You bought a 2 ton digger to work with rocks and trees on your property. I live on the other side of the world and I bought a 2 ton digger to deal with rocks and trees on my property. That's a nice looking machine you've got, mine is quite similar but I do envy you the hydraulic thumb. My thumb is a manual one , not as good but still a very handy attachment. I've subscribed to your channel so keep the videos coming, I'm keen to see more.

[@doylemaintenance]

Subbed back thanks. Tonight I'll watch your vids.

[@loggggon]

Get closer, use front blade to move large ones

[@loggggon]

I think you need a five ton for that property , but we’ll done

[@thepeoplesupdates676]

@@doylemaintenance now this is how the KZbin community should be!

[@dereksmith1803]

Do yourself a favor and get in the habit of throttling down to idle and running at idle a couple seconds before shutting the engine off. Running above idle and killing the engine is a good way of having unburned fuel left in the cylinders. This will then "wash" the cylinders clean of oil and the next time you start the engine, you will be momentarily running without oil and the piston rings will wear considerably faster and you will start burning oil. Not good. Kubota makes a great engine, but no engine last very long without lubrication.

[@dinosshed]

It's a diesel engine. The shut-down happens as a result of cutting off the fuel supply, no chance of washing bores etc. Even a petrol/gasoline engine would do the same.

[@youngmike8645]

Excessive low idling wears the rings the fastest. That occurs when it’s not hot enough for long periods of time and the rings aren’t expanded enough to keep fuel and oil on their respective sides

[@cd1168]

Man shut up. You know shit

[@flat6fever680]

I've always throttled down any gas or diesel powered engine to minimize radical temperature swing. I was always under the understanding that it was very bad to shut them off at high rpms.

[@flat6fever680]

Great machine here for this fellow. Does exactly what he needs: provides and extra and very strong set of hands. Without a tractor of some sort I don't know how anybody gets anything done.

[@stephenwalker1943]

Good point on the hearing protection, was wondering how loud these light-duty units were

[@DivineZeal]

Thanks for the review I need one for my land!

[@tomgodin2233]

Thanks for the video. I am thinking of ordering 1 of the excavators myself. I am in the process of trying to find out all the shipping and costs now. Thanks TG

[@blacklisted7]

Thanks, Doyle.

[@canadianosprey]

Great video and nice machine. I am in Montreal and need such a machine for doing the same things as you do. Thank you for sharing your experience.

[@KF-zp7oe]

Looks like the thumb is way quick, you can purchase a fitting that you put inline at the cylinder to restrict the flow and slow it down

[@cornboy3]

Hey! I just bought myself a 1.3T unit and I’m only about 45 minutes from you. Nice rig!

[@doylemaintenance]

Nice !! When did they say it would arrive?

[@cornboy3]

@@doylemaintenance Ok “just” was a bit of a stretch. Long enough ago that it should arrive in a few weeks!

[@Sulihack]

I ordered a 1 ton and should be here in 2-3 weeks, the brand I got is Leking. So excited! Mines a Briggs and Stratton gas engine though, no widening capabilities. Gonna see how the quality is and maybe buy a 2 or 3 ton. I was actually looking at LTMG and kinda wish I did now 😭, funny because I was actually talking to them at the same time, but the agent wasn't answering questions clearly.

[@lianagasparyan4473]

Hi could you say me what does mean that the agent does not answer your question clearly?

[@jaylast1958]

The translation is difficult. @@lianagasparyan4473

[@chrisreid5272]

Are you in Canada? What was the total cost ?

[@chrisreid5272]

Where are you and what was total cost?

[@steve123261]

how did the machine work out for you?

[@paulkivisto9060]

For LTMG have electric 2 ton excavator too. Do anyone have experience for those?

[@billvandorn5332]

I could really use one but reluctant to purchase with the overseas shipping.

[@jerryhammack1318]

If it works for you. I can see it is a labor saving machine 🤔! Looks a little small for what you are doing. Take your time and be careful! Bless you on the lovely property and enjoy!

[@anthonynapier4668]

👍 👍

[@Rogerharp1]

Do you have info on how to order one of these excavators on Alibaba? What does this unit cost total.

[@chicosuaveslowend1877]

Before shutting off always idle down for 10 seconds.

[@waltershoults8803]

It’ll be fine as long as you don’t put a rock breaker on it 👍💯

[@doylemaintenance]

Ha ha yes, I have one but it's for my skid steer.

[@mikefuegmann]

Closer is better for lifting heavy items.

[@jesuschrist1284]

can you post a link to purchase?

[@eMpire705]

how much was it with all the fees and stuff. seems like a daunting task to order off alibaba and find a rep seller. maybe u could post a little more info? thanks for the video.

[@Anthony-os8id]

Did you damage the log splitter when the claw hit it.

[@doylemaintenance]

Haha no, it was but a scrape. I went to the A. Camarata school of maintenance.

[@RailwayfMrBobbushkin]

Get closer. don't stretch out max to heavy lift with blade down. you gonna blow hoses and mabye a hydraulic cylinder that way. Watch how far you get on your rotation when max loaded your gonna dump that little thing and smack your head up my man be careful! Looks like a good little machine though for real. Keep practicing my man and remember them little ones are harder to run than a big one they be all tippy and shit. So when you get good on a mini then ur golden

[@dylanmunt4787]

whats the max lift cap?

[@giuseppemaenza9255]

Nice toy 👍

[@kylanrichardson8583]

Great vid

[@doylemaintenance]

No offence taken. My review was for the average joe that might buy or want to buy a cheap alternative. If you are a professional you would not be buying a Chinese knockoff to begin with, am I right? I now have had this machine for 5 months and maybe I'll do another update, but it would pretty much copy this one as my opinions really haven't changed much about it.

[@djack8139]

How much did that cost w shipping ?

[@jonatanochoa8830]

HI, how much did that machine cost?

[@zjhilton]

I'm interested to hear about your process in purchasing this excavator. I'm also in canada and have been looking at similar sized excavators.

[@doylemaintenance]

Through Alibaba its easy and secure. I bought mine from LTMG they sell through Alibaba is like ebay for China. I am so far happy with my purchase there are cheaper ones but I find the quality of my machine is very close to the brand name ones. Register on Alibaba and search LTMG or XIAMEN LTMG CO.,LTD. is the parent company. they have a youtube channel as well. Shipping to toronto was 4800 u.s. it ships by boat to Vancouver then train to Mississauga so if your closer it may be less. The manufacturing took 6 weeks then the shipping was around 2 months because of shipping delays due to current conditions normally would take only 30 days to arrive in BC. Lucy was my contact at the company she arranged everything. All I needed to do was organize with the customs broker that was notified to me by the shipping company and I went with my truck and trailer to wharehouse in Miss. for pick up myself. Buy any extra buckets and thumbs through LTMG and have them shipped with machine the prices are cheap and you get ones that fit the machine. I should have got a narrow bucket for trenching cables and water lines but I forgot.

[@kittyfan8233]

Hello, I am an excavator manufacturer from China, we have small excavators with Kubota engines. I will give you a good price. If you are interested, please contact me.

[@jimleesur5610]

How much did it cost all together for the machine shipping customs everything? Extra buckets etc..

[@kylequinn1963]

@@doylemaintenance I'm considering one of these as well as I live in the GTA and the cost of a 2 ton machine new from a dealer here is pushing 70k, but it looks like you get what you pay for. My little 1 ton Kubota wouldn't have too much issue picking up that boulder that the machine here struggled with.

[@doylemaintenance]

@@kylequinn1963 so your saying a 2,000 lb machine can pick up a 3 thousand pound boulder ROFL prove it!!

[@immachine1565]

I want to see what it cant do or just can barely do

[@crewzen]

What was the cost?

[@sniper-lt9pd]

Hi! Do you know that actually you can move rocks which are double than you have moved? 1. Come close with your blade to the rock. 2. Use an arm and lift and push that rock on the blade. 3. Keep holding and lift from the ground your blade. That is it. you can move rock , even whole excavator is much stable while running around with that rock

[@doylemaintenance]

I Did it😃 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaKYlGOCiddmjdE

[@acuraintegrar5]

Great video! So if you dont mind me asking how much did you pay total for machine and shipping? I just started looking at these and wondering if they are worth while once shipped to the US or if i should just buy a used one here. Does this machine offer a change over switch to change the controls from excavator to backhoe? This looks like a real nice machine!

[@kittyfan8233]

Hello, I am an excavator manufacturer from China, we have small excavators with Kubota engines，compliant with EPA standards. Are you interested？

[@benstevens5765]

It’s really hard to buy it, you’re looking at 15k for the machine, approx “$4k” to them for shipping, then they try to upcharge another 4k for “US emissions compliant engine” like a Kubota engine instead of their regular cheap diesel, then you have to pay approx 5k in US customs and like 3k for the freight over seas, buying the Chinese mini is kinda a scam, cuz you think you’ll have one for 15k and it ends up being closer to 30, I had a lot of stress with the sellers lying and scamming, had to go through all the legal actions to get it canceled and refunded which took like 4 months, and ended up just buying a used cat 302.7 for 20k, that’s kinda what ppl need to know before buying a Chinese mini

[@acuraintegrar5]

Wow what a pain, thanks for the info, i kind of thought they were too good to be true but was not sure.

[@lucasbrown-ui9mu]

Ben what are you talking about? None of those shipping and customs figures are even close to being correct. If that was the case a tv you buy at Walmart made in china would cost $5k. Yes there is a tariff to pay on imported goods but it’s not $5k for a $12k machine. You can get a whole 20’ shipping container shipped from china to USA for like $1800. You must have been dealing with some scammers. I’ve been buying from china for years and never paid those kinds of prices for tariff and shipping.

[@itsumonihon]

@@lucasbrown-ui9mu he's not totally wrong about customs duties and taxes. he's in the USA, presumably this machine is subject to US section 301 duties (Trade war with China) which are likely 25% on top of regular duties for machinery of this type, plus taxes. People are being fleeced if they're paying $5k for shipping for something like this - you could probably arrange for something cheaper yourself. Then again, if you were trying to buy during peak shipping season or during COVID prices may have been outrageous like that. Prices are down now. The manufacturer may be obligated to not provide a non-US spec diesel engine for a machine that is to be used in the USA. It's possible the import could be seized for not following EPA regulations, and before you say it's impossible for the EPA to find out, any machine of this type has information automatically passed to both CBP and the EPA and likely a few other agencies as part of a routine customs clearance. If the EPA knows manufacturer XYZ is routinely sending noncompliant products to the USA, they will start inspecting every container and busting the importers for it. I work in the global logistics industry and am highly familiar with costs and import laws, taxes and duties.

[@georgeharvey3062]

Thank you for the video. I just ordered a 1.8 ton machine with everything you have except the 2 speed transmission. Do you think mine will be much less power than a 2 ton? It does have a Kubota D902 in it. Enjoy!

[@doylemaintenance]

No I think that's the same machine. I think when I bought mine they called it a 2 ton but it's really only 1.8. I'm not absolutely sure though. You'll love it. For the price it's worth having.

[@samhaines829]

I have the same WM sawmill and was thinking something like this would work great for loading on the 130 Max. What was the price delivered?

[@Ngryn]

i believe he said 27k cdn(including 5k for shipping)

[@capogiraffe]

It's now feb 2023, winter in Ontario. Do you wish you purchased the enclosed cab or are you still glad you went with the canopy? I'm shopping around for myself and wondering if a full cab is practical for me here on the wet west coast.

[@doylemaintenance]

Good question. Ground is frozen here not using for groundwork. I did break the door on my tractor last month with its enclosed cab and cost me 1000 bucks to repair. currently I am using the excavator for tree clearing of cut trees, cab not an issue for me as i'm already bundled up. Plus with a cab you need air conditioning, thats just something else to break. My bud's kabota air conditioning is broke and he cooks inside the machine.

[@capogiraffe]

@@doylemaintenance I think being frozen or overheating is less a concern for me in my climate although I can see fogging up with moisture and humidity being a real PITA for me possibly. I have a residential tree service so my intent would be to put it to work mini-logging people's backyards. I'm eyeing up a rotating log grapple and also a tilting bucket and hydraulic thumb I agree are almost essential. Are there any additional attachments you wish you had purchased right away or intend to pickup?

[@doylemaintenance]

@@capogiraffe Yes fogging up is a pain in my tractor sometimes. I would definetly get the rotating grapple and a ripper claw for roots, the tilting bucket i have i have never used the tilting feature at all but have used that bucket for different things due to its capacity but never needed the tilting feature ever yet. Hydraulic Thumb is a must.

[@TF856]

They actually do sell a motorized tapered screw for splitting wood that fits right on to the excavator, then you wouldn't have to pick the wood up at all. Just split it right there on the ground without getting out of your seat at all. 😃 Funny thing, one of the videos on KZbin that shows how to use that hydraulic powered screw is being ran backwards and still splitting logs but they don't realize they're running it backwards. 😁😆😟😄😉🙄 This is a link to a different video who knows how to run it correctly. They actually sell quite a few different log splitters that attached directly to the boom of the excavator. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4W9aZWjjqmLg8U

[@doylemaintenance]

Yes I saw those, great for larger peices. For firewood people throw the big stumps away cause to hard to mess with but the screw attachment would make them more managable.

[@user-bc3pc5gu2y]

@@doylemaintenance I was taught to break them with the hammer on a back hoe.

[@gocart09]

How much do you think that can lift fully extended

[@doylemaintenance]

Not sure, I may try to set up a video lifting some stuff that I know the weight of.

[@bobadler3097]

what was the cost to your door? Shipping included.

[@doylemaintenance]

Would be different for everybody depending on location. It was around 24500 can approx.

[@archerydezign]

Have you ever experienced tracks not mowing because of the sand clog between track and the track wheel?

[@doylemaintenance]

No never, gravel sometimes gets in there and gets pushed out pretty easy. Only time they got stuck was tempeture dropping below freezing over night and tracks freeze.

[@archerydezign]

thanks. I use mine in sand soil all the time. And if I turn and sand get in the tracks the track won't turn. I have to run backwards and forward again@@doylemaintenance

[@marinvlashich8325]

What kind of engine is in your excavator?

[@doylemaintenance]

It's in the video. First 2 minutes.lol

[@mechanichell]

How much did you pay for it? And do you have a link to the seller.

[@doylemaintenance]

Was 13,500 u.s. before shipping. Just search LTMG on alibaba that's how I communicated with them. 😊 thanks

[@lianagasparyan4473]

With whom you communicate from LTMG? Could you say me name ? Because I want to buy equipment too

[@canadianosprey]

@@doylemaintenanceDoes this price include any accesories?

[@stephanhamel619]

Hi, nice machine ! Is it true we can't import diesel engine mini excavators since Jan 2022 ? I'm located in Quebec Canada and very interested by a machine like this one , thanks

[@doylemaintenance]

No I think the ones with Kubota or Yanmar engines are CSA approved as long as they are less than 25 hp from what I was told. Mine is 18 hp. Imported in April 2022 no issues.

[@jaymott5191]

@@doylemaintenance did I hear you right your total payment was over 20k I thought I heard you say 27? Also impressive strength picikingvup fully extended.

[@doylemaintenance]

@@jaymott5191 I quote different numbers with and without shipping depending on what people ask, some people if on the west coast it would cost less because lower shipping cost. Machine was 13600 u.s shipping was 4800 u.s. wharehouse fee was 300 canadian, I drove 5 hours to get it from wharehouse in mississauga so i did not include that cost, exchange at the time for canadian was around 1.33 on the dollar.

[@JohnAcmeMowingHarrington]

Damn that’s not quite $27k but thanks for the info. It’s impressive. So around $18-20k is what you spent after all said and done? How long did it take to get it?

[@MichaelJones1527]

How much did this little machine cost?

[@kittyfan8233]

Hello, I am an excavator manufacturer from China, we have small excavators with Kubota engines. I will give you a good price. If you are interested, please contact me.

[@doylemaintenance]

Was roughly 26,000 thousand canadian to my driveway, most of the cost is shipping over 7,000 for that. Canadian money. So machine alone was only 19 canadian if you can pick it up lol

[@Chicoeat]

@@doylemaintenance hi thanks for your valued info wasnt there taxes or duty at customs to pay. thanks

[@doylemaintenance]

@@Chicoeat yes only hst on top of that. No duty.

[@user-sy1nn8nz3x]

What kind fo engine in your machine?

[@doylemaintenance]

Kubota diesel 18hp

[@demondmorris9510]

Thank you for this, I've been. Looking for a good 2 ton or 3 ton so many ppl review the 1 ton machine. What was the shipped price and which seller did you choose?

[@doylemaintenance]

13,500 u.s plus shipping to Ontario Canada was 4800 u.s. so 18,300 total u.s direct from LTMG

[@kittyfan8233]

Hello, I am an excavator manufacturer from China, we have small excavators with Kubota engines. I will give you a good price. If you are interested, please contact me.

[@canadianosprey]

@@doylemaintenance Hi, how come the shipping will cost 4800 us$? I was told 300-400 us$ to Montreal. Are there any hiden fee on top of the shipping cost?

[@doylemaintenance]

@@canadianosprey that's what it cost up front back when I had it delivered.

[@bradmadisonmitchell3733]

​ think he paid so much because he needed it shipped from Vancouver to mississauga. If you get it shipped to a port and pick it up there the shipping will be much cheaper. I was quoted $600 to Montreal port.

[@asen8610]

How much cost you in total with the Shipment?

[@doylemaintenance]

Machine was 13500 u.s. but back in 2021 shipping was 5000 u.s. it's alot cheaper now.

[@naborsprojectsadventures8243]

How much do you pay for the excavator?

[@doylemaintenance]

Purchase price was 13500 u s. Plus shipping

[@antoineturpin9201]

Did you have to get a certicate proving it is compliant with your standards?

[@doylemaintenance]

They gave me a epa paper with it but I was not asked for it. Maybe the broker looked after that.

[@antoineturpin9201]

@@doylemaintenance because I intend to import a second use excavator from china in europe, but I need to have all cost I don’t want to get additionnal cost

[@doylemaintenance]

@@antoineturpin9201 not sure about used one.

[@kristiyanpetrov6847]

Excuse me i am looking for an excavator like this one, how much did you pay for it in US $ ?

[@doylemaintenance]

In December 2021 it was around $13,900 u.s for excavator plus $4,800 u.s for shipping to central Canada.

[@kristiyanpetrov6847]

@@doylemaintenance Damn thats a price !!! I see there are excavators for around 5000US they are selling , thank you and have good time using the machine!

[@doylemaintenance]

@@kristiyanpetrov6847 Oh wow the ones I saw are 10,000 u.s. but they are gas models and only .8 ton machines. Do you have a link to those 5,000 dollar ones? Do they have 18hp Kubota diesels and are 2 ton machines?? Thanks

[@paulmollise1856]

@@doylemaintenance did you look at a Sany?? For the total price your saying seems close to a Sany ??

[@doylemaintenance]

@@paulmollise1856 Yes I did in fact. Dealer in Sudbury had a similar model as mine for 39,000 canadian still 12,000 more than mine cost. I could be wrong though as I called him back 8 months ago. Whatever the price was it was more. I have no problem with Sany or Sunward but when you resale its still considered a knock off and resale will be much less than a brand name unit. I bought mine because I'm pretty sure I'll have it for 20 years or more and not worried about resale. All the componants on mine are pretty standard stuff.

[@kijijiprivateaccount6756]

Good video bud. When you say $5k for shipping, where is that from and to? I’m looking at bringing one from China to Vancouver and shipping is covered, but I need to ship it to MB. I’m curious what my shipping will be from Vancouver to MB.

[@doylemaintenance]

The 5k was from China to Vancouver to Toronto. I paid the whole trip. It came from Vancouver on a train. The shipping was expensive during the height of covid.

[@fsj66]

How hard was it to import into Canada? Thinking about bringing one into Newfoundland.

[@doylemaintenance]

Easy peasy. The import customs company did all the paperwork. I just picked it up at a terminal in mississauga. The importer was arranged by manufacturer to contact me.

[@fsj66]

@@doylemaintenance What company in China did you use and would you recommend them? Thanks for the reply by the way.

[@doylemaintenance]

@@fsj66 I explained all that in video

[@doylemaintenance]

The manufacturer took care of it all

[@dianejones9986]

That's 2 ton? Looks smaller.

[@doylemaintenance]

It is

[@markyao3779]

Hi there, recently I also import a same machine. Can you please tell me which customs broker you choose? Thanks a lot!!

[@doylemaintenance]

Ltmg took care of that form me

[@babybluesfarm3466]

What was the price for it?

[@doylemaintenance]

13500 u.s. plus shipping from china

[@plamenstoyanov722]

Do you know hom much weight can lift?

[@doylemaintenance]

It depends on how far away the weight is . If you have the boom all the way out probably 100 lbs. If closer to machine maybe 300 lbs

[@Jtwizzle]

@@doylemaintenance Interesting because a 1 ton chinese excavator with gas engine picked up around 600 lbs fully extended before it started tipping, it still had hydraulic power left.

[@doylemaintenance]

@@Jtwizzle ok ya since my post 3 months back I can pick up around 1000 lbs close to cab then extend it out to the farthest reach without it tipping. It can hold it out there but cannot lift it further up.

[@jjtheman2036]

How much canadian for one of these?

[@doylemaintenance]

in video😁

[@oby-1607]

How has this machine worked out for reliability? Also, has the 30 inch bucket been too big for this? I want to get one for the property but want a narrow digging bucket with a thumb. A small brush rake would be nice for cleanup. Anyways, looks good.

[@doylemaintenance]

Check out my 1 year review vid I did last month. No issues.

[@andrewsilvia7773]

18,300.00 and it's an 18hp? If this is true there is a company in the US where a Kubota 24hp engine/Chinese mini ex. cost 16,900.00. I was really interested to hear your story about the purchase through Alibaba shocked that you paid what you did, it must be because you only purchased one. I'm not here posting to promote any business so I won't say where I found a 24hp with hydraulic finger for 16,900.00 and it weighs 3300 lbs as I haven't purchased it yet, still debating. This guy must be buying so many that the bulk cost must be much lower than the 13+ thousand you spent, shipping could also be lower through bulk purchases to justify 16,900 for a 24hp.. Good luck with your mini and you still received a good price from Alibaba compared to getting a real Kubota

[@chrs1212]

Is it that company in Pennsylvania?

[@user-bc3pc5gu2y]

Hi. I was wondering how much hydraulic oil per minute? The thumb obviously doesn't take much but can you use a hammer and other implements? Thanks

[@doylemaintenance]

This is from LTMG when i asked for specs on my machine. The 2ton excavator comes with Kubota EPA engine. The hydraulic pump flow is 36l/min.

[@Richard-xy5pb]

Buy sany

[@ludditetechnologies]

Awesome thanks for sharing. I just got quoted $300USD to Brisbane Australia, I guess that is a lot closer, seems a bit cheap though for shipping dont you think?

[@doylemaintenance]

Which manufacturer? The bulk of my shipping charge was to get it from british columbia to toronto by train. Its around 3,300kms by rail

[@ludditetechnologies]

@@doylemaintenance LTMG I asked them on Alibaba, same model as yours I think, the LTE20

[@doylemaintenance]

@@ludditetechnologies yes thats it

[@ludditetechnologies]

Me again (thanks for your replies so far appreciate it) So with sending them money it is slightly nerve wracking, were you nervous to do that?

[@doylemaintenance]

@@ludditetechnologies No not at all, they are a big company and you have the security of Alibaba, LTMG does not get there money untill 30 days after you send the balance that you pay once the machine is ready to ship. How long did they say before its ready to ship? mine was around 65 days to be built as they had none in stock I had to wait to get it built.

[@nathanmccorkle4278]

can you comment/vlog how your extendable track slider things look, and how much slop/play you have? Here's my chinese 2-ton and from my first impressions skimming your video, your machine is tighter kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2nSc4WIfrOAaNU

[@doylemaintenance]

subscribed to you. ill get vid later today for ya.

[@doylemaintenance]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2mknoCgmpupbsk did a short vid on my extension arms

[@keyfa9051]

poor quality, too small power to work.

[@doylemaintenance]

Interesting .....you've seen it in person. Still working fantastic 8 months later no issues. Thanks for your comment. I would buy again from LTMG.

[@doylemaintenance]

Subscribe for more of my excavator in action. Check out my other videos too.

[@antoineturpin9201]

Did you have to get a certicate proving it is compliant with your standards?