20/20 Apr 27 Part 1: Woman recalls being branded as part of joining secret society

Sarah Edmondson says the branding includes the initials of actress Allison Mack whom she learned was a high-ranking member of the society.

[@OatmealPancake-ej8ky]

Sentenced to 120 years in prison!!! WOOOHOOOO!!!

[@jessicamilestone3934]

Is that Reniri who was sentenced to 120 years?

[@danarzechula3769]

Great. Now taxpayers are housing clothing and feeding the loser

[@ravindraguntu6821]

What about Allison Mack?? Is she sentenced or not??

[@ravindraguntu6821]

@maja lovric Too bad. I thought only Indian legal system is flawed..wonder what about all those women she has put through hell!!!

[@SuperLordHawHaw]

@@ravindraguntu6821 She was sentenced to 3 years and will be released in 2023

[@trishaprett7721]

Appealing to people’s ego,making them feel important,accepting them into a top secret group.If I heard the word Master,I would have run for the hills.

[@marionsanders8733]

As soon as I heard take off your shirts I would have been “aight I’m out”

[@gorettyondobiyang4369]

Me too😂

[@thedbq1]

except that they don't say "take off your shirt" the first time they see u. they say that after years and years of brainwashing u. by that time, you're already in too deep u don't think "aight i'm out" is a choice anymore. welcome to brainwashing 101.

[@valeriebarocio1611]

Agreed!!

[@nomerompanlaspelotas5812]

They are just as depraved as the guy now they play victim to wash their reputation.

[@HelloNewMoon]

For real. Even at the doc im like…ookay but why first

[@katiemerrick7232]

This is just a poor mans scientology. I typed this as the man said it lol

[@lexx555]

People in scientology are cracked in the head

[@brianwalsh1401]

Scientology besides enslaving you will make you a poor person from all of the courses and auditing you will have to take.

[@Pete-z6e]

Scientology was banned in New Zealand in the sixties, they seem to have slithered back in recently….unfortunately.

[@mmpw5775]

Pain and discomfort aren’t meant to “push through” to prove yourself. Rather, pain and discomfort are signs our bodies, emotions use to communicate that something is “off”. If you are trained to build up a resistance and an ability to numb out to discomfort, one will become more vulnerable to predators, to illness and just unhealthy people and situations. Life is suffering. Pain is inevitable (not all the time, of course). Learning how to be with that is key.... These groups are dangerous. They use a little bit of truth to pull you in....then, if you find you are not supported to walk away it’s creepy.

[@meredithheath5272]

FINE POINT- one is more vulnerable to predators if your pain is acclimated to

[@Athena124]

If I met that dude, without knowing all of this, he would just have to say a few sentences for my alarms to start blaring. His words scream “I’m a bullshit artist”

[@harrietthespy2119]

I “dated” a slimy, narcissistic, dorky bullshit artist whom I initially *knew* was a bullshit artist, but I was vulnerable and he would “help” me before I would even think I needed help and …voilà I was putty in his creepy hands🤮

[@solesoulsorrow]

Ditto. Why doesn't everyone have that alarm in their mind? Why can I detect b.s. and some others can't?

[@shaynasorrells899]

the fact that she went into this lowkey blindly and then gets undressed in a room full of women who are strangers to her .That’s a red flag right there. got me messed up

[@wildstingray4463]

the women "recruited" were coerced by people they trusted. the branding, slavery, sexual stuff didn't come until after they were coerced into giving collateral

[@kittyroo3647]

They were told it was a self empowering woman group and they were told it was a tattoo

[@bloodshine1515]

if you believe in nothing you will fall for anything

[@harryballs6652]

(1) If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. (2) Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. (3) When you stand for nothing, you fall for everything.

[@lalaluv.08]

TRUTH

[@threedaysoutdoor]

Some ppl believe in nothing because they don't trust anything.

[@SkoomaCat]

So everyone believes in something

[@rachelc586]

👌

[@pkeracing7947]

Vanguarde grew a full beard at the age of 8 !!

[@rohypnotist6263]

So the legend goes ...

[@Starfish6]

😁😁😁😁😁

[@denamullen340]

PK eRACING 😂

[@AnthonyMonaghan]

Ha ha..He fathered a child while still in the womb apparently.

[@sidneyprescott6504]

Volleyball at 6 months old!

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

Mark is also super lucky that his gorgeous and compassionate wife Bonnie, the lovely petite blonde Australian who played the young Aunt Beru in Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, is still married to him as she saw through Raniere’s disgusting and abusive BS well before he did (the hbo doc The Vow is awesome!)

[@sspbrazil]

aleister crowley she did? Why did she marry him then? lol.

[@WhosTheMorley]

What this got to do with Star Wars

[@sadakojh]

Daddy chill.

[@shawnuel]

I just mentioned this as well. Wish I had seen your comment first. I don't think Bonnie gets NEAR the credit for her part in uncovering this mess.

[@katierowen3166]

I was genuinely glad when I found out they were still together. In The Vow you could tell they were still in love with each other and I’m glad they got out with their relationship intact. I love that Bonnie could see through the bullshit.

[@Monika-tp3fv]

Being addressed as "slave" and being made to provide a damaging "collateral" on yourself should be a HUGE red flags...

[@judgejudy3035]

Ya think???

[@Monika-tp3fv]

@@judgejudy3035 You don't?

[@Monika-tp3fv]

@S Suwandi It's not about Fb, if someone want to share smth. with their friends it's their right and choice. But this is about a cult, power and control and probably money too, at the end... She provided him nude pictures of herself as a "collateral" and actually it was more like a blackmail tool... It's sad and crazy how people can get manipulated...:(

[@disneytoysr4fun975]

but sororieties and fraternaties do it all the time.

[@agathaprado2]

they were brainwashed, they couldn’t see the red flags

[@juliechi6166]

Allison Mack is the "self help" Ghislaine Maxwell....

[@cjohnson7508]

worst than giving birth...I wonder what the millions of animals branded every day, feel like:(

[@MartyCostello]

I asked my mother what giving birth was like, she said, "It's like getting a watermelon through a hose." I decided to rescue animals instead. I'm still giving back but for the four-legged kids. They need moms and dads too. :)

[@msflyingfree7]

unfortunately the disconnect and the 'happy cows' ads it doesn't really cross their minds. Thankfully this is changing

[@MissMaria1988]

And you eating them tortured souls... hm... good luck

[@cjohnson7508]

@@MissMaria1988 actually i do not:)

[@RaymondYocum-uw5hd]

cjohnson7508 you are an idiot!!!

[@reginasemenenko148]

I hope he is prosecuted for the fullest extent of the law.

[@Ainurkins]

Sentenced already to 120 years of prison!

[@sidneyprescott6504]

The woman getting branded and realized afterwards that it was weird ....she still creeps me out, i wouldn't trust her as far as throwing her..i don't care if, "now she knows it's wrong"

[@jameshellner9100]

STFU you idiot!!!

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

Exactly, they knew what they were all doing from the beginning and now all playing victims

[@disneytoysr4fun975]

@@MarvFitBikesKicks no sane person would get branded tho. i could see if she never got branded, but that fact tells me that she really was a brainwashed victim.

[@TheVeganeater]

Always have to question people's ideas and when they bring out the branding logos and tell you to get naked that's probably a red flag.

[@brianwalsh1401]

They don't do that stuff until they think they have you committed because they don't want to scare you away until your fully indoctrinated. Scientology doesn't let people know about Xenu until step whatever for the same reason.

[@aliciacavalcanti7340]

Sounds like Scientology

[@A_n_y_t_i_m_e]

Same content - different packaging.

[@KROCK19951]

They all were recruiting. My God, people are so in need of being lead. Be a leader not a follower!!! Wow

[@lynnsims9533]

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[@thedbq1]

keith reneire took your advice and this is what happens

[@mego8325]

People are in need of feeling a sense of belonging. Not necessarily being led.

[@danarzechula3769]

Jesus wept because the sheep were so longing for a shepherd

[@FredomUsa18]

If it feels, “so weird” ....then get the heck out of there, NOW!

[@darladrury76]

These woman dont want to have to think to hard or take responsibility for there life. Dont fall for there victim bs.

[@danimonte4867]

@@darladrury76 *their

[@jaxonarnold8039]

She couldn’t leave. They had blackmail and compromising pictures of her. Also you have to think about the years of brainwashing done to teach her to obey the cult leaders.

[@nymphohalo]

Jaxon Arnold but what about the process of being submitted to the branding

[@sspbrazil]

Pamela Ramsey exactly.

[@gitaaa7740]

When this Keith Raniere speaks makes me cringe! That is not concert pianist level. So many flags!

[@shawnuel]

Vicente has a history of being in cults. just a few years before NXIVM he extricated himself from the Yelm, Washington based "Ramtha" cult that Linda Evans from Dynasty was a big part of. "Ramtha" being the spirit of a 3000 year old warrior channeled through the body of a woman named JZ Knight. Also, as much credit as he and Edmondson get for blowing the lid on this, it may have never happened if not for Vicente’s wife, Bonnie Piese, who he met and married because of the ESP program. She started seeing inconsistencies and "dangerous" behavior from Raniere well before her husband, eventually pulling away from Mark and the organization. It took quite awhile before he, then Edmondson were finally convinced she was right.

[@andrewdeen1]

Bonnie doesn't get NEARLY the credit she deserves.. probably bc she stays out of the limelight about the nxivm stuff (and actually has a real acting career.. she's in that obi wan kenobi series coming out which isn't my thing but is certainly huge)

[@mskatonic2124]

I got the vibe from Vicente that he's desperate to be validated by "special" people. That Ted talk on Ranieri's bravery was ass eati** 101.

[@neologian1783]

All true and good insights. I suppose my point though is that, so far as I can see, there's literally NOTHING so impressive about Rainere or the actual content/curriculum of NXIVM that should have captured anyone....let alone requiring someone to marry Sherlock Holmes before they could detect the whole thing was nothing more than a great big empty sack in the hands of a toady frumpy nothing of a guy. Honestly. Take a moment to objectively listen to Raniere speak. Or take a good hard look at his white board diagrams that supposedly outline or provide insight into his ideas. It's literally all a bucket of jumbled banalities, incoherent thoughts passed off as profundities, and unintelligible cliches. "Knowing what to do is useless without the emotional strength to do what you know." Seriously?? It's like a bad impression of The Sphinx from that movie Mystery Men!! Rainere himself.....AND what curriculum from NXIVM I've been able to see all just seem like a great big "nothing burger" in terms of their actual substance. That anyone could sit at the knee of such a nothing of guy and fawn is just testimony to how social and emotional needs can be used against even well educated 21st century human beings.

[@shawnuel]

@@neologian1783 You are 100% correct and I think that is where Nancy comes in. Her mastery of hypnotism and Neuro Linguistic Programming and the fact she taught Keith how to do it are, In my opinion, the biggest reason they were able to pass Keith’s B.S. as something profound. The film of Keith’s first meeting with Alison Mack is a prime example of that phenomenon. She just suddenly becomes rapt with what Keith is saying despite him not saying anything of substance.

[@shawnuel]

@@neologian1783 Also: When you are able to balance a tack hammer on your head you will be able to head off your foes with a balanced attack!

[@elizabethgivens1968]

I'm the head of a philosophical movement too. My philosophy is not to brand myself.

[@meredithheath5272]

WOW - Exactly

[@danarzechula3769]

Oooo can you start a cult so all nonbranders can join

[@Juanvelez85]

No offense but the women who joined are not very smart either.

[@darladrury76]

Thank you. They are not victims. I don't feel sorry for them. Your an adult take responsibility. My parents told me when I was fifteen if you go places with bad people you take responsibility for what happened to you. Your smarter and no victim.

[@danimonte4867]

@@darladrury76 *you're *you're

[@MissMaria1988]

@@darladrury76 well.. if you dont have a nice family.. its an urge to get free.. but you see then one get into bad people on the way.. its called being fooled, raped and worse

[@peterfrancis9725]

Worst is Sarah Edmondson, she recruited 2,000 people into the sex cult. Boasted about being top saleswomen. Now she's playing the I was too stupid victim and crying. Throw her in jail.

[@meredithheath5272]

@@peterfrancis9725 Agreed!!! Convently playing a ") "victim" now that she hot caught

[@LBright4444]

The branding made me think of certain college fraternities that brand. Members show those brand scars proudly. I found it shocking and extreme then and I do still!

[@reyalexandro]

THATS NOT RICK ROSS.

[@Shottamanrambo]

Hes Rick Ross ghostwriter

[@thefloridamanofytcomments5264]

Nah he just looks different without the giant white fur coat 😂

[@AAA198377]

😳🤣

[@Emmabruceofficial]

The awful thing for me is I watched smallvillle constantly as a form of escapism after rape and sexual assault at the hands on my martial arts instructor and Chloe was one of my favourite characters - now hearing of all the abuse these women went through just makes me feel sick.

[@williamgregg6339]

Sorry that happened to you. I hope your doing okay today.

[@rachelrobinson2636]

In a way Allison was a victim but she is also 💯 responsible for what she did

[@miriamhavard7621]

💗

[@Joy-wg9nd]

Why didn't these women bring a class action suit... you know, power in numbers.

[@kelly3014]

They are in the midst of that I believe.

[@hannahgray5146]

So Allison mack bailed herself out of jail with everyone elses money?

[@foxibot]

Boy the prison inmates are going to give him a lesson on how special he is. He will be someone’s slave in the big house. Like a famous song about the “big house” famous prison, Angola in the state of Louisiana: : “ You gonna cry for your mamawhen your Angola bound!” Send him down to the “ boys”in Louisiana with the snakes and gators and the lawman on horseback where convicts sleep in tents in the 100 degree heat and humidity. He will get a taste of what treating people like a slave and their sexual plaything feels like. I hope they put him in a very tough prison. Then off to Coalinga(essentially a prison with guards and wire, for sexual deviants but run by psychiatrists trained to recognize sexual predators) or a similar place after prison for sexual deviants where the psychiatrists never release them. He won’t be able to manipulate them. It is evident that many people need common sense courses and how to look out and protect themselves from predators. There is a woman going to high schools and colleges warning young people about how to spot a sociopath and not to become their victims. All young people need to hear her or something like what she lectures about. And we need to crack down on cults hard, with tough laws instead of giving them a tax break.

[@susanborkenhagen58]

They did! Good!

[@miriamhavard7621]

Who is this woman? We need TEAMS of people doing that!

[@shonterrell8098]

So she recruited hundreds of people herself? So how is she a victim again?

[@mgm7908]

She was part of the scam

[@meredithheath5272]

Exactly - I don't buy it, either

[@rachelc586]

Maybe she got tired of giving them money that's all

[@susanborkenhagen58]

She and the other "victims" should all be in jail next to Keith. Not for 120 years but at least SOME punishment for their crimes...NO excuses claiming you are a 100% victim and being a poor female so you are the innocent.. What BS!

[@JerkyMcDoogle]

So you're telling me that a group named after a heartburn medication has generic ideals?

[@meredithheath5272]

Yes - isn't it interesting that the letters are pronounced as "nexium" however- take a LOOK - you can also discern "next victim" Don't have to be a rocket scientist to see it

[@JerkyMcDoogle]

@@meredithheath5272 😲 cue the X-Files theme

[@SKF358]

Cult susceptible people, oh boy, how they don't see how weird this was in ten seconds.

[@hasppl9005]

They didn't see how wired it was because they are wiredoo😀 I don't feel bad for stupid people.

[@tutubeas10]

I'm sure the think thought they would become rich and famous. It was greediness.

[@wildstingray4463]

they are perpetrators as well as victims of coercion, emotional and sexual abuse, and manipulation. they were not just "stupid people," they were taken advantaged of and groomed for many years before it all lead up to the branding and slavery. what they did should rightfully put them in jail. but to call them stupid is misinformed.

[@everything-yd4xm]

Woman says "its weird" Me: It's weirder how,why these grown women agreed and got fooled by one man

[@bellycurious]

It's called brainwashing. It's what cults do. What he did isn't even original. A cult lider that uses his power to get a lot of sex? So original.

[@Denise_Suzanne]

It was a slow process.

[@Manboy007]

@@bellycurious im trying to figure out how exactly do you get brainwashed? like bruh all these women are grown they know when something aint right like i dont get it

[@bellycurious]

@@Manboy007, they got brainwashed the same way people in scientology/jeohvah witnesses/any other cults. The world is full of cults and people that are brainwashed. Not that difficult. And there is nothing new about this cult. Remember heaven"s gate and David Koresh? People died because of the madness. Marking your body isn't that crazy.

[@AlizabethIbanez]

she expkained it herself as nxium training and indoctrination for years.

[@MrBacus72]

How many years we'll have to wait to know about jared leto?

[@StLProgressive]

The claim that Reniere was a concert level pianist is absurd. He liked to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata to show these skills….but….he plays all of it without emotion, without the dynamics from pianissimo to fortissimo. The melody should be played very softly, actually the whole piece should be soft until the crescendo in the middle. The piece isn’t that hard to play - except for the dynamics. So yeah, that was bullshit just like everyone else. That man is pure evil.

[@SaintVodou]

“...and I’m a genius, a fireman, an astronaut, a cowboy...tall...”

[@freakspeely]

Sarah doesn't talk about how for years she wanted to be as good of a swindler, grifter, and manipulator as Keith was. She sure did step on a lot of people on the way to getting that stupid brand on her hip.

[@mgm7908]

I don’t trust her. She made a lot of money from being in this group

[@truthsocialmedia]

Pyramid schemes seem to attract these types of women who crave status and power at any cost.

[@mitzimccoy1611]

Sarah Edmundson was an actress on the show SALVATION,season 2. And she plays the part of a Cult Leaders Assistant(a cult named COPE).Look at the DVD cover. I'm studying cults now. And I'm in Portland,OR.-This Appears To Be A Cult Town.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

How anyone could ever fall into any of this is incomprehensible. I really mean that.

[@miriamhavard7621]

It was very slowly, insidiously, step by step. Think of the analogy of the frog initially being in water of a safe, comfortable temperature, and then very slowly, very steadily, the temperature is raised until the poor creature is boiled.

[@disneytoysr4fun975]

People do it all the time with fraternities and sororities

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@disneytoysr4fun975 Good point. I never considered joining one of those.

[@cjohnson7508]

'im not cattle' she says. well, cattle don't like the pain, the cruelty, the violence they are treated with, day by day until they are murdered. maybe this woman could stop and think about it?

[@garywiggett2729]

Did any of these Ladies reported these incidents at the time it happened

[@albertderohan3492]

sounds more like a cult than a secret society

[@wildstingray4463]

it was.

[@jameshellner9100]

God i loved transferring this guy from Texas to New York holding facility

[@dylanquinn7773]

Is this true?

[@shhimhiddensk4059]

i like how she's like "could that be any weirder" but like she's there?

[@geoseward]

Does anyone know or have heard how much sales people/recruiters like Sarah Edmondson or Allison Mack made as a percentage of what the people they recruited spent on the seminars? Raniere at one point in time worked for Avon and formed his own multi-level marketing company so monetary compensation to the recruiters cannot be overlooked as part of the impetus to recruit new members many of whom spent funds that they could ill afford.

[@ashleyhumbyrd7274]

She said that the highest was 20,000 a month depending on how many she recruited. A lot of that got sunk back into trainings and sessions in the group though that could cost up to 15,000.

[@SuperLordHawHaw]

She didn't make anything personally. It all went into the cult.

[@jayrasmussen8458]

This girl ruined 1000s of lives and kids and innocent women one lifetime not satisfactory

[@mgm7908]

This woman is as guilty as Raniere. Someone needs to ask her how much did she make recruiting more innocent victims. She jumped ship when she realized she could face human trafficking charges. Now the scanner is making money off of interviews and book deals 👎

[@meredithheath5272]

I am learning about her - she's a criminal

[@msinvincible2000]

She accepts the word "slave and master", she accepts do get naked and get a tatoo, she looks with her own eyes a woman being branded like kettle, and she didn't do anything?!!! Well, sorry hun, but I've always been of the opinon that stupidity makes you pay!

[@kelly3014]

She had been taught for years that if you feel uncomfortable, then the training is working. They were trained to ignore that feeling. It was a part of the conditioning and brainwashing she had received. She was also being intimidated by her ‘Master’ that she should be setting the example for the others...not to mention the collateral.

[@brianwalsh1401]

@@kelly3014 People don't want to understand how cults work and that anybody can be sucked into them. If you have ever been in a "relationship" with a narcissist they do the same thing. They don't start out being aggressive and undermining you they do it slowly over time so that the person doesn't even know what is happening. the cover narcissist are the worst. The con people of the world. Cult leaders are always narcissist and sociopaths like Raniere, Jim Jones, David Koresh, L Ron Hubbard, Hitler, Stalin, Trump. At least 10% of the population is a narcissist or sociopath. It could be your doctor, teacher, therapist, cashiere, mailman. They're everywhere but most people still don't understand.

[@wildstingray4463]

she was coerced and manipulated and blackmailed. her actions were disgusting and she should go to prison. but she only became that way because of keith's abuse.

[@RedaDoodles]

The fact that I got an ad for a tattoo brand in the middle of this is quite distressing... --'

[@quintuplebanned4267]

It’s so heartbreaking. I wish people would rake Kristen Kreuk over the coals for recruiting Allison into nxivm, watching her get in so deep, and then, simply washing her hands of her part in this mess; sitting idle as Allison is judged, humiliated, chastised, demonized as she waits to be sentenced. We know what Allison did wrong, but why don’t we hear a bit more about her circumstances? Classy, Kristen.

[@disneytoysr4fun975]

but this lady was in the organization for a decade before she got to see the sexy stuff! how do you expect kristin to know about the sexy stuff when she was only in the organization for a few months??

[@juliagouw]

Anything that is secret has a dark or criminal component to it.....

[@mokhan7623]

So, you go to get a tattoo and take off all your clothes and put on a blindfold. Yeah, that makes sense...... In bizzaro world!!!

[@ST-LEO]

Drugs

[@sidneyprescott6504]

😅🤷‍♀️

[@sspbrazil]

Mo Khan sounds legit. 🙄

[@anthonyisgaming6143]

Yeah.. She's a real sharp and smart woman. Sorry, don't feel sorry.

[@DannyD-lr5yg]

Mo Khan Y’all.. she wasn’t just “going to get a tattoo,” as though she went into a tattoo parlor and they said “here, put on this blindfold and strip.” By the time she was branded, she was already sucked in and part of the group. Then, in that one particular instance - when the girls went into the room blindfolded - the victim thought they were going to be tattooed. NOT the same as “going TO get a tattoo.” And for the people saying she’s stupid.. never underestimate the psychological power and horror of cult manipulation.

[@pjak9886]

How dows this even happen and how often is it happening

[@pjak9886]

Exactly been watching leahs special on scientology and its just shocking how these people get away with having cults! And even more shocking so many weak minded individuals to pray on.

[@gonstotwriter]

When that guy said KR was "acutely narcissistic," I thought he said "a cutely narcisstic."

[@ozgekim010]

😂🤣

[@Raptorman0909]

This game is not new and will be used by others -- in fact it's a sure bet there are other similar groups right now. L Ron Hubbard was just better at it than Raniere and his brainwashing religion is still in full swing -- I have the suspicion that Raniere's IQ is a good bit lower than claimed. The similarities are not coincidental and Raniere's preference for Hollywood types is straight from the Scientology playbook. If there was a difference it was Raniere's inability to resist the cookie-jar of attractive young women. At least this group didn't kill themselves like the Jim Jones or Heavens Gate cults. It looks like Allison Mack is gong to spend at least 5 years in prison and a once promising acting career is 100% over.

[@kathiealvaro]

There was a woman who killed herself in Alaska just after a week long Nxivm course. She left a note in her truck saying her mind had been broke and she realized she was already dead.

[@Raptorman0909]

@@kathiealvaro -- Hadn't heard that, but, sadly, not surprising. Guys like this are parasites that prey on whom ever they can.

[@meredithheath5272]

@@Raptorman0909 Parasites - you nailed your description!!

[@meredithheath5272]

Yes - in another video on this cult, a person said Rainier 's cult was a combination of other cults, including scientology

[@kelly3014]

Sarah is a brave woman. She risked so much bringing this into the light. Everyone should read her book and learn about how cults actually work. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@mgm7908]

There is something about her I don’t trust.

[@JS-fb6ww]

How do I join Keith's group??

[@RaymondYocum-uw5hd]

J S good question! I want to join!

[@tubester4567]

People are stupid for getting involved. When they asked you to remove your clothes you should have walked out, but you stayed there while they branded you like a cow. You willingly took part in depraved acts, wtf is wrong with people.

[@Velvettearsss]

You’re not understanding what actually happened. They didn’t just decide and meet that night to go get a tattoo in a tent with randoms. It’s years and years of brainwashing and believing things that aren’t true. The whole thing was supposed to be a “self help group” ofc they didn’t know they were going to get branded. Watch The Vow it explains everything.

[@Velvettearsss]

Not to mention they would blackmail you if you just “got up and left” they had nude pictures and other things on these women. It’s not their fault they are victims in this. So no they aren’t stupid lol

[@JS-fb6ww]

This guy is akin to L. RON Hubbard.

[@happinesshotel5375]

Somebody savvvvvvve meeeee, cause I don’t know what to just dooooooooooo!

[@BluesFanUK_]

'Willingly participated'... Sadly no one seems to take responsibility for their actions anymore, always someone else's fault.

[@lorilynn4950]

How many documentries are these former members going to do. We get it already

[@xeno4746]

Half naked🤨, she thought she was there to get a tatoo❓ As if that would be normal.

[@aem870]

Alright "Captain hindsight".

[@LisaMichele]

2:20 Legit LOLed at Elizabeth Vargas' reaction omg

[@melflo4651]

What did the Vanguard teach?

[@foxibot]

I am so glad that Rick Ross pointed out that Ayn Rand ( not her real name) she was Russian orthodox is and was a cult leader and what she started is the cult of Ayn Rand. It makes me sick to my stomach when I hear powerful politicians in our government for years and still in power positions today say they love Ayn Rand. And Hollywood made that movie. It is so wonderful to hear him call it what it was. She was a terrible woman. She harmed people and treated her husband horribly. She was the definition of castrating female which is a psychological term. And she was against Medicare or giving help to anyone who may have worked their butts off yet had a tragic illness or injury or both happen making them vulnerable, very survival of the fittest, like the Nazi’s, yet when she got cancer she took total advantage of Medicare. What people refer to “ new age” is a lot older than they realize.

[@georgestreicher252]

Ayn Rand was of Jewish parents. Her maiden name was Rosenbaum. Although she was of Jewish ancestry, she considered herself an atheist.

[@meredithheath5272]

@@georgestreicher252 she marketed herself as an atheist, because she fancied herself as god/ cult leader

[@bensigl3766]

And yet Scientology remains...

[@rralbq]

And convinced the IRS that they are a religion, so they do not pay taxes. This guy admits that he ripped off ideas from Scientology and authors Any Rand and Isaac Asimov, neuro-linguistic programming (a pseudoscience adopted by some hypnotherapists). He is just a short, pudgy conman who needs to be validated constantly. And he demanded that women restrict caloric intake to become thin for him. Whatta wanker.

[@SM-db8gx]

This is sad but I could help but laugh at 6:46 . Like…sis, you got me f*cked up.

[@mefford67]

*That man gives off such creepy vibes!* 😳 *Who the hell would agree to stripping down buck naked and being blinded folded?!? I can’t even... Is this a knock-off version of Scientology?* 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@cathyhopkinson865]

This is some scary stuff. Sickos!

[@Angel-wo6qh]

I still don’t understood why she did it? Why did she get the brand

[@slaws2279]

Sitting buck-naked? In a semicircle? On sheep skin? Yeah, that DOES sound weird.

[@OzzyVRrealone]

Ha!

[@el_chino778]

Let me guess.. some of the parts are missing

[@yanlastname6114]

Wonder why she didn't show it?

[@rosewhite---]

oh my! Take off clothes and put on blindfold! That is GULLIBLE!

[@roxannazales4960]

10,000 A WEEK?!?!?

[@danimonte4867]

Right!?!?!

[@AAA198377]

Wtf??? 😳

[@Trillian-pjn]

I'm tired of hearing that he was one of the smartest people on earth and could speak in complete sentences at one etc, etc. Is there ANY independent evidence of this aside from his own words? Has anyone yet found any of this "background" on Reniere actually true?

[@kelly3014]

Actually, in Sarah’s book, it’s that very question posed by Mark that made them both realize that they were in a cult.

[@xeno4746]

And even if he had a high(er) IQ. That says nothing about functioning as a human being in total.

[@miriamhavard7621]

In the series, "Seduced" those questions are answered.

[@chxllxchxllx3523]

Wonder if they will make a movie out of all this to warn young girls & women about this issue.

[@lilromanianchicka4916]

Theres a book called captive

[@HarryTrickle]

I wonder if Grace Park has been branded?

[@Noelito40]

I suppose when you look at it, it's no more than a business story! Guy watches and studies how Scientology gets away for decades fooling people into believing nonsense and has them giving it everything they have, it's no surprise someone copied the business model!

[@meredithheath5272]

"Copied the business model" - exactly - right, you are!

[@anwralio]

Mack now plead guilty

[@JS-fb6ww]

Everything these women did was consensual. What criminal act occurred here???

[@chiefryback7906]

I agree but what the indictments actually include are child trafficking and racketeering which of course the MSM will never mention.

[@chaniatreides9513]

Not all women consented and children were involved aswell. This didn't cover all of the really fucked up stuff, probably intentionally.

[@ALBERTEINSTEIN777]

AM I MISSING THE ILLEGAL PART ?

[@susannahpearethcan5ing]

Extortion. Blackmailing to coerce people to become sex slaves

[@ALBERTEINSTEIN777]

@@susannahpearethcan5ing COERCION IS ILLEGAL ? THEN EVERY DUDE OR WOMAN WHO'S EVER HIT ON SOMEONE SUCCESSFULLY IS GUILTY. SO IS ANYONE WHO'S EVER WON AN ELECTION. AND STOP WITH THIS SEX SLAVE NONSENSE, THEY ALL WILLINGLY PARTICIPATED IN THE SEX. AND THEY ALL WILLING PROVIDED THE NAKED PHOTOS. NONE OF THESE PEOPLE WHERE FORCED TO DO ANYTHING. THIS IS B.S. AGAIN WHAT LAW WAS BROKEN HERE ? SERIOUSLY

[@yourhighness4746]

I think not have job, or money or bad health was the problem of many humans; 😨😱😲😲😲😲 NOOOOOOO, some had lost their brain. So sad.😢😅.

[@SuperLordHawHaw]

When someone says they are going to brand you you get up and go "Bye!" She says she said "no" to being called a slave but went through with it. These women weren't prisoners, they did this willingly.

[@Wickedlove263]

Congrats on knowing nothing about brain washing. Dumb ass.

[@ppjskh]

I guess you don’t know how cults work… you can’t just get up and leave. These cults often threaten you and your family’s life.

[@goodgirlsangels6114]

This was on dateline a murder show

[@L2Xenta]

yea like WTF .... trying to take shortcuts in life, sometimes/often ends very badly .

[@A_n_y_t_i_m_e]

7:02 Those eyes Chico, they never lie.

[@jfearless3420]

3:48 i was speaking in full sentences at 9 months. Age 1 is supposed to be impressive?

[@Cytron1515]

Why didn't Sarah Edmondson just say "NO?" She could have simply refused to be branded. She could have run and never looked back at the cult again.

[@FLdancer00]

Exactly. What Sarah fails to mention is that during her 12 years in the group she was a lead recruiter. She made 100's of thousands of dollars in the pyramid scheme. Has she given one cent back? Nope. Now she's turned on them to get movie roles and paid interviews to make herself look like a victim so she doesn't get arrested too.

[@Cytron1515]

@@FLdancer00 Interesting point.

[@markm414]

@@FLdancer00 You are exactly right!! Sarah Edmonson is as much a fraud as Vanguard and Prefect!! She has begun creating the victim narrative because she recruited many into this mess and she began to suspect this house of cards would fold and she could not only escape prosecution herself but also make a few bucks!! Her husband "Nippy" must be a real genius.

[@FLdancer00]

@@markm414 I've been skeptical of her since I listened to the NXIVM podcast. Now there's a documentary on HBO about it and I feel so vindicated. There's a scene where her lawyer flat out says "play the victim". There's a phone call where she's worried she's going to have to give money back and she asks "how can I get out of that?". I don't think she realizes she got caught, but I've never trusted her. Bad vibes.

[@FLdancer00]

@@Cytron1515 Check out the HBO documentary if you can. Shows her true colors.

[@glershnern5300]

laying blame on others for conscious decisions they've willing made. then cover SHAME with "I'm the victim" pathetic

[@meredithheath5272]

👍👍👏

[@taniah5368]

Why on earth would anyone stick around when asked to take off their clothes and blind clothes themselves? Oh hell no! RUN!

[@miriamhavard7621]

They don't come through the door and are told the facts. Of course they would run if they had. Many of these women had been in NXIVM for years and trusted these people. Also, they were initially told that Kieth Raniere was a "renunciate" and that he didn't HAVE sex. So they had been lulled into a false sense of safety.

[@MondoBeno]

I almost got hooked by a cult. He was a life coach who would make ridiculous promises of helping you get jobs in acting, tv voiceovers, or a teaching job in a top school, then he'd sell you herbal nutritional supplements, and worse.

[@karlpetersenstock]

It takes these ppl a decade to start complaining and see its a problem !! Ok !!! They loved it ****

[@mindfulattraction3.0espano95]

Rick Ross Loss a shit ton of weight

[@HelloNewMoon]

Vanguard…he got that name from when he was an adult hanging around an arcade every day with a bunch of teen boys obsessed with a game that was there where the villain was named ….you guessed it, Vanguard

[@puffywoowoo5112]

A tatoo would have been a type of psychological brand anyways..adults are alowed to be willing participants...until....

[@stranraer9]

she is a beautiful and intelligent woman , seems crazy that she would fall for it !

[@livefreeordie3992]

Probably thought she was on her way to fortune and fame of the Hollywood kind.

[@danrook5757]

Didn’t Tom cruise play in a movie where he puts on a mask to go to a high end party and participate in wierd stuff

[@chrism5782]

join my anime cult

[@meredithheath5272]

LOL!!! Let's do it!!!

[@saitamasensei3953]

Thats fkd up 😡 Reminds me of Scientology