20-22' Orbea Rise in 2023? Long-term Review and 2023 Comparison

Is Orbea's original e-MTB still relevant now that they just released an updated version of the Orbea Rise Carbon? Hear my thoughts about the Gen 1 Rise carbon, including noteworthy upgrades promised on the 2023, Gen 2 carbon version by Orbea, and my long-term review of the Gen 1.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:14 RANDY's thoughts on E-bikes
1:29 History of Rise
02:20 RISE vs FULL POWER
04:20 MY BUILD vs STOCK
06:35 Gen 1 NEGATIVES vs. Gen 2 UPDATES
08:08 BIG BUILD
08:43 RIDE IMPRESSIONS
10:34 RANGE
12:51 SHOULD YOU UPGRADE?
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[@jokermtb]

Rented a M20 in Bentonville last month. I fell in love with this bike. We rode for 4 hours (that was enough!) and still had one dot on the optional shimano steps lcd display (you can retrofit to your bike) - plenty of range on the 360 battery. Not sure if I’d ever need the 540 battery to be honest. Love how the bike lets me bunny hop like my regular mtb….no limitations!

[@floriancella7242]

I am the owner of a 2022 M10 Rise. It's a great bike. Just changed the discs for Shimano Freeza front (200mm) and rear. For 2-3 hours trail ride, the small battery is enough. Found an extender for longer rides. Go for it!

[@colingardiner5349]

Spot on review! I’ve had my M10 for 2yrs now and put a 160 air shaft in the fork and an Ohlins ttxm22 coil on the back with 1 offset bushing=64.5hta. Got Vitoria Mazza tyres with cushcore and it’s fantastic. I ride 90% without extender with full fat friends but do use the extender on some bigger days. If I had the money would get a carbon 540wh as you say but 360 normally good. I use a Garmin watch for battery % and it’s really good. Just subscribed as you’re review was so good and exactly my thoughts. I still use my regular bike sometimes on group rides and looking at Strava climb times haven’t lost any fitness. If I was on a full fat think I would have gone downhill. Keep up the good work.

[@DrJMTB]

Awesome feedback. Sounds like you’ve had a great experience with yours!

[@hewitt3784]

Great review!

[@IDoBlues]

I converted my Rise to a 160/160 64 degree mullet. ....and I LOVE it! My local trails are pretty steep and janky. The extra bit of travel and slightly slacker setup made a big difference. I went the same 155m 5Dev cranks too. So good! Less pedal strikes and a more comfortable stance on the descents. I switched the front tire to the DHF for a season, but then tried an Assegai. I definitely like the Assegai more. For me, the grip was just as good, if not better, and it felt more natural transitioning from the center nobs to the side nobs.

[@DrJMTB]

Assegai definitely can’t be beat on grip! And the mullet setup sounds like a beast as well. I actually already had the stock stroke in the Super Deluxe laying around, or that setup would have been a real option.

[@mattiagumirato8362]

@idoblues How did you turn the bike into 64 degrees?

[@mattiagumirato8362]

How did you turn the bike into 64 degrees?

[@IDoBlues]

@@mattiagumirato8362 I documented the conversion on my channel. You can search "Orbea Rise Enduro!"

[@IDoBlues]

@@mattiagumirato8362 I documented the conversion on my channel. You can search "Orbea Rise Enduro!"

[@britishbassbikes]

What a GREAT summary. I have the SAME bike-like you, added a coil shock, better saddle, but I added a fat 2.6 Assegai up front. 203 mm rotors, MTX pads, and a PNW bar n shorter stem.. Def. pausing on a new emtb until this bike REALLY feels outdated. Interesting the FAZUA equipped bikes STILL do not have a range extender available!

[@pcarts232]

Your Lyrik looks so good with the light green frame dude 👌🏽👌🏽 Nice 👍🏾

[@davidgoodman911]

great review !

[@RedC63AMG]

On my H15 I put a Minion up front as well but moved the Dissector to the rear. Recon is a spare for the XC bike wear it belongs

[@JC-gn7fk]

Hey. I have one of these size L and want to put that Lyrik fork on it. What steerer tube length do you need? Save me taking this fork off.... someone has a set for sale. Great review and great bike!

[@237311]

Useful video. What is the travel of your upgraded rear suspension there?

[@Todd66]

Even though I am a full power nut, that bike has TONS of appeal to me. Especially the way you have it set up. Good job on the video Sir!!!

[@DrJMTB]

Thanks for watching! Report back if you end up with one!

[@Todd66]

@@DrJMTB I would probably end up with the Wild…it’s got the travel, the power and it’s got a Bosch instead of the Schimano. I really like how the Rise looks and all the reviews, The motor turns me off. I gladly trade weight for power and range. I just can’t get the Rise out of my eyes. LOL

[@bostondye3736]

That is the most tastefully modded rise I have seen. Thanks for the content 🤙

[@DrJMTB]

thanks a bunch!

[@Oliver-ip1hv]

I have a 2022 Rise H15 and now I want to replace the Fox shock with a Rock Shox Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil (210 x 55). Can anyone tell me if this shock will fit in the Rise? I have concerns about the rebound adjuster. Thank you very much.

[@madsgertsen]

is it necessary with use offset bushing to use a Super Deluxe coil (old version) - my Rise is a size L.

[@DickVanPaiton]

A perfect description of this great multi-tool :-)

[@durace99]

Im still on a 2016 Rallon 650b. Cant bring myself to sell it. It shreds so hard. 👊✌️

[@snat6299]

What area do you mainly ride this bike? Great review.

[@ilovephotography1254]

Love the opening of your review. You mix in some silly humor, to silence the jealous trash talkers who don't get it about e-bikes.

[@Todd66]

I totally get the appeal of a low-mid power, light weight bike….but I love me sum power. The Orbea Rise is a badass bike for sure. Something about Orbea that just does it for me visually. Love that bike. Coils are my ❤

[@DrJMTB]

Yep. Definitely 2 different beasts, but I do think the Rise bridges more of that mid vs full power gap that most folks realize. The difference in weight really does help to offset the decreased power. But you can for sure feel that extra grunt on newer full power rigs. And the coil spring really did make this bike shine for me!

[@rs.sweden]

Great stuff. I am new to this and planning to buy my first E mtb and leaning towards the Rise. Is it the M10 you built upon or any other of the different models? If I plan to make change like your's, perhaps it is better to build from a M20/M30 if we going to change parts anyway.

[@DickVanPaiton]

If you change/upgrade most components, get the cheaper one. The core is identical.

[@guyhubbard2694]

Great video, thank you! I have a Rise M20 and love it, I'm riding so much more than I normally would have. What is the travel of the super deluxe you've added?

[@DrJMTB]

Thanks! Glad to hear you’re getting some great miles in with your Rise. I just put a Super Deluxe with the stock length/stroke (210x55). I’ve heard of folks “long shocking” theirs, but I’ve only seen or heard of doing that if setting it up as mullet. I think the stock stroke shock with a 150mm fork in full 29er is the sweet spot for me.

[@guyhubbard2694]

@@DrJMTB Thanks so much for the response! and keep enjoying your Rise!!

[@coreygonzalez6890]

Nice spec Rise👍

[@jakubs3375]

Great review! I've been the owner of H15 model for half a year and I'm just wondering if you had any problems with creaking suspension on your bike. Mine has given me a real pain in the a... with pivot bearings and linkage noise. I hope Orbea has managed to solve this problem with 2023 models.

[@DrJMTB]

I have had that issue, and it is frustrating. They do have an updated linkage design for the 23’ that’d I will have to assume fixed it.

[@tampuriini87]

I had to regrease the bearings within 500 km after purchase. After regreasing the linkage has been completely silence for the last 2000 km. I also applied thread lock loctite onto the splined shaft in the main pivot.

[@DickVanPaiton]

The bearings are trash. Exchange them sooner or later to sealed ones (YES, they are not!) and properly grease the seats -> all perfect and no big deal.

[@RomeroLins]

Hi Dr J, one question, i have hip pain both sides, is a Full susp better than a HT? I mean a HT is lighter, and Ride mainly on very flat surfaces. A smoother but heavier bike will make me feel less pain? Thanks

[@DrJMTB]

A full suspension is always going to be more comfortable, if set up correctly. Sounds like you might need to do some work with your hips or even lower back, however. Check out my hip and lower back videos if you haven't already.

[@RomeroLins]

@@DrJMTB Thanks for your time to reply my question!

[@warlog1993]

Hi Any issues with the Rock Shox Coil? I'm thinking about upgrading my Rise (Size L) , since the float x just doesn't cut it on long, gnarly decents, but I read somewhere that the Coil can rub on the frame when bottoming out. Thanks for your reply

[@DrJMTB]

@@warlog1993 I didn’t have any issues, and the super deluxe ultimate coil is still one of my favorite rear shocks, having ran many different shocks over the last few years

[@TwowheeledadventureVT]

Nice review! Do you also ride an analog bike? If so, what?

[@DrJMTB]

Thanks! I've been spending most of my time on a Transition Smuggler in the last few months.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6ardZSZgdKUnrM&lc=UgyRaa_qfrALM5EfJRt4AaABAg

[@TheSlacker76]

So are you running offset bushing with the stock 55 to 210 shock?

[@DrJMTB]

yes

[@blaze2370]

​@Dr. J MTB, please could you let me know how tall you are? I am struggling to tell whether I should be on a large or a medium?

[@DrJMTB]

I'm just shy of 5'10" with a 31" inseam. Large fits me well, especially with the offset bushing decreasing the reach slightly.

[@blaze2370]

@@DrJMTB Thanks!

[@TeamCykelhold]

I just sold my 2021 carbon Rise and got a fuel exe. I liked the Rise, but man the fuel exe is just so nice and have solved some of the stuff I disliked about the Rise, most notably the loud motor and the wet noodle backend, annoying battery indicator. I tried my rise is so many different configurations was loved most (many of the same upgrades as you did, stock 140/150, mullet, full long travel 27.5 160/180 and so on). But it never solved those issues. I was hoping the 2023 Rise would have a brace on the rear triangle to stiffen it up, but nope. Something I dislike about Shimano is how nothing of the new stuff is backwards compatible. It's stupid and wasteful that you need a completely new bike to upgrade the battery display and motor rattle. which are some of the main annoyances of the 2021-2022 system. I'd like to simply be able to get an upgraded motor and mount it to the same bolt holes (at least the bolt holes are the same). It seems to me that the e-bike industry is one of the most anti consumer and anti environmentally friendly industries.

[@brycon232]

Just had a demo orbea wild while my rise was getting a new motor. The motor on the wild is m7ch nicer... I agree the motor rattle is a pain on the rise but dont notice that noodly rear end. What configuration of ride did you prefer most?

[@fiha4186]

Did u get the alloy or carbon version and how would u compare them after u ride the exe for some time now?

[@TeamCykelhold]

@@fiha4186 carbon rise and carbon exe. I love my exe. The suspension kinematics are a lot better on the exe and the motor is extremely quiet which I enjoy but the motor is weaker. I have about 3000 km of riding on it. I think the fazua might be a better motor though. I'm very happy with the exe but if I was buying now I might have gotten the transition with the fazua motor.

[@fiha4186]

@@TeamCykelhold Thanks for the reply. Im so stuck...Transition and carbon EXe are out of my reach in my wished config....kinda have to choose between rise h10 rise m10 or Trek EXe 8 with the Sram AXS....so haaard

[@TeamCykelhold]

@@fiha4186 For me it was cheaper to get the cheapest exe and use parts I transferred from my old bike. On the old bike I put the parts on it came with, so the parts were brand new when I sold it. I plan on doing the same with the Exe if I sell it. It makes it so I have the parts ont he bike I want, it's easier to sell when i swap and I can just get the frame in the cheapest possible config.

[@Veyron1967]

The first thing I did was attach the cable junction to the underside of my handlebar with a thin cable tie, just to the right of the stem. I can see it fine in all weather and a casual observer wouldn't know it was there. I think I need some of those cranks though as the pedal strikes are irritating AF.

[@DrJMTB]

I’ll never have a need to run longer than 155mm cranks on an e bike again. I’ve been running 160mm on my trail bike with great results too. And those 5Devs are great.

[@Veyron1967]

@@DrJMTB They look fab. Is it the 29MM "DUB" BOOST option I would need for the M10 Carbon rise?

[@DrJMTB]

@@Veyron1967 Negative! These that are specific to the EP8 👉🏼5dev.com/collections/cranks/products/7075-ecrank-set-shimano-ep8

[@Veyron1967]

@@DrJMTB Thanks dude. You've got a well-earned sub. :)

[@benstep2]

I could really benefit from this bike after 25 years on an analog bike and now in my 60’s; however, no access to the trails in my area. Pisgah and DuPont do not allow e-bikes. Kanuga is an option but really no longer my style of riding. I keep hoping these restrictions will change soon or I will end up doing just road rides.

[@lobyapatty]

Have you tried the new orbea wild?

[@DrJMTB]

I haven’t tried the new one yet. It does look pretty sweet.

[@whitneymcduffee6529]

Randy the anti-e-biker with the Pisgah shirt. Nice touch.

[@DrJMTB]

Just trying to represent the people

[@TWARDOWSKY.]

Yea....perfekt bike, but they fell head over heels on concrete claiming so much money.

[@artrix7653]

Great review !

[@DrJMTB]

👊🏼👊🏼