2000 INTERNATIONAL NO START & WIRING ISSUES!

[@TheBlueScarecrow]

I like this guy. He's methodical and patient... finds the problem... removes the bad repairs and makes it right... does a professional job... and explains every move. Very easy to follow. Nice Job. 5 Stars!!!!!

[@j.c.smithprojects]

sure appreciate the kind words.

[@randallyarborough7923]

Love your approach to diagnosing this kind of problem. Hope to see more like it

[@MrTruckerf]

Great video! It is always nice to correct a problem that someone else simply bypassed....which can lead to more problems in the future.

[@kevinschaefer9335]

Your efforts in the electrical diagnosis warms my heart. There is alway a solution to the riddle if one has the patience, the knowledge and a procedure. Nicely done! I find that a “Power Probe” connected to the vehicles battery ensures that I have a known good power/ground source. I have chased my tail with what I thought was a good ground. Thanks!

[@j.c.smithprojects]

i was given a power probe by eric o of south main auto. i use it now and then. i am a simple guy. i like what i can see and prove my theory. the light bulb is just that.

[@lexion2772]

I have a 30' lead that I hook to bat. neg., so I know I have pure Ground.

[@slider4511]

Always enjoy your videos and your work ethic 👊

[@stevencowan5599]

JC, l enjoy watching Wes work videos as well as yours and he goes through his electrical problems in the same way and its great to see and especially to watch JC. Cheers Steve 🍺🍺🍺

[@j.c.smithprojects]

wes is very good at explaining what he is doing in his videos. very easy to follow along.

[@brianherron5400]

Great diagnostic, 👍 nice job. Have a great evening.

[@michaelroth7709]

diagnostic skills are professional.definitely helped me find a problem with a t444e that i been working on.

[@psavel274]

Lol @ "belt dressing." Just when you thought you heard it all!!🤣 Nice job chasing that wiring spaghetti. 👍👍

[@j.c.smithprojects]

they had a few "creative" explanations for the things that were going on for sure.

[@vincenzotesoro1169]

Very knowledgable guy. Thanks for the video. I got the same truck. A 2000 international never had no starting issues but that’s nice to know what’s going on with these trucks. Thanks very much really appreciate your video. Keep up the good work very helpful to get an understanding of what’s going on

[@mitchs323]

The green crusties are usually the root of most electrical problems. When I was working, one of our Macks quit running on the interstate. After checking for a while, we had it towed back to the shop. After running down the problem, we found that the seal on the ECM was twisted when put together at the factory. After 2 or 3 years of winter snow plowing and treating the crusties had eaten the majority of the pins on the computer and connector. Looked at repinning the harness, but because of the way the harness was made and run, there wasn't enough wire to make it to the ECM. The only solution was a new harness and ECM and atrip to the dealer to have the ECM programmed.

[@MrTruckerf]

Dang! That cost a bunch and no way around it. I had a truck which got struck by lightning, of all things! It fried the ECM and every sensor as well as melting wire in various places. I was out about 4 grand and we did a lot of the work ourselves.

[@mitchs323]

@@MrTruckerf Best I can remember the parts were north of $2500.00, not counting my time which was about 15-20 hours

[@billyjewell4155]

Q

[@mike-sk2li]

Intertrash I swear it's the cheapest junkiest truck on the road. Navistar got sued almost into bankruptcy over there motors. You are the man to even mess with it. RESPECT

[@j.c.smithprojects]

comparing an international of this age to other manufactures of this age....i would say freightliner has some pretty bad wiring.

[@dennisgallagher1686]

JC once again I say you are the Jonathan W of trucks great explaining of what you are doing

[@j.c.smithprojects]

im just some guy fumbling around with junk trucks.

[@dennisgallagher1686]

@@j.c.smithprojects nonsense fumbling hardly I know enough when someone is good or a fake

[@williamcraig1505]

Very interesting video JC , I think back to when I was young and boy they have really screwed up all the vehicles with this modern technology lol

[@patriot2164]

Excellent Video love the detective (electrical) work ! Thanks JC !

[@gregbrown4962]

I had an old Chevy truck that had a rear main "belt dressing" leak.

[@j.c.smithprojects]

built in belt dressing. it is a rare option. only available on trucks with "special" owners.

[@bobbyossenbeck6402]

I so appreciate watching your processes helps me learn and remember how to diagnose

[@4X4F250Diesel]

Hack "fixed" the problem only makes it worse. I have added a new wire before but because the old one was damaged to bad to save. Sometimes its the simplest things that take forever to find. Good job fixing it the right way. Wish I could find someone that was half as good as you to higher in the shop.

[@j.c.smithprojects]

this is why i could never work in most shops. many just want it slapped together as fast as possible and on to the next one.

[@kevinhornbuckle]

Good example of troubleshooting logic. The previous fix was illusory.

[@burningdinosaurs]

Exactly... high impedance test showing voltage does not equal current carrying capability. Similar, but conversely, is how a bad battery terminal can sometimes start a vehicle, but then loose connection and not recharge the battery. I've tried explaining that one several times to people, but end up just having to do the work for them to prove it. Do you have a "toner" a.k.a. fox&hound set? I've used that a few times trying to figure out where a wire is broken. Doesn't always work perfectly (won't show break if it's simply high resistance), but it's another good tool for the bag. Also helpful for mapping wires when there's nothing to distinguish them from another. Thanks for the video and excellent explanation!

[@j.c.smithprojects]

i have used one several times. i have had 50/50 results. good for tracing the path for sure.

[@donschaefer9442]

Those old 444s like to leak oil from the front crank seal. Not a fun job. Great video JC

[@j.c.smithprojects]

at 20 years old....im surprised it doesnt have more leaks.

[@donschaefer9442]

@@j.c.smithprojects They are great motors though. I’ve had 4 or 5 of them with very minor issues. Love your videos man

[@jesperdahl1486]

I like the light bulb trick. I had a VW Passat, that was a no start, no fuel pump, but I got 12v at the plug at the tank, it puzzled me for days, until I took a 20w kitchen halogen puck light and used as a test light, I found that the fuse was blown, but my volt meter did not know that.

[@robertbullcarmichael9856]

I have spent many an hour coaming through wiring harnesses of International, Freightliner and Blue Birds. They can be real pains at times. Great job.

[@thomaskanipe4615]

Hell of a job !! You do great work

[@braaapattack2937]

And I’m here. Plenty of time before I go home from work 👍

[@WatchWesWork]

I really think International has the worst wiring in the business. They just can't figure it out.

[@j.c.smithprojects]

i think freightliner is one of the worst. at least the circuit numbers are still on internationals.

[@TheBlueScarecrow]

I'm beginning to find that out. At least my truck is paid for.

[@johnmudlock8405]

I really enjoy your videos and you are very knowledgeable with International trucks. I'm working on a 2001 International T444E Dump truck with electronic auto trans. I have a no start issue using the ignition switch. I have either no power or no ground going to trans shifter. I also have no source power at start relay on dash. It click when key turned but no main power. Could be a ground issue. Possibly none to ecm? With a remote starter button hooked on starter the truck starts and runs. But the electronic controlled shifter and transmission won't do anything. In your video you put a piece of mig wire in the back side of the ecm plug. How do I get the bolt out of the plug and the back cover off of the ecm PLUG? Any help is greatly appreciated.

[@j.c.smithprojects]

ecm doesnt supply power to relays. it controls them. always start with basics. power and grounds at the batteries. then at the engine and starter. branch off from there. continue until you have checked them to each and every destination. verify you "wait to start" and "engine warn" lights operate. once you have verified these things, you can start to look at what is or is not happening. electrical diagnosing can be difficult if there isnt any direction or procedure. if you think of it like this, it might be easier. "what does the ecm and trans have while sitting and not running? what does it take for the ecm and trans to turn on? what does the ecm and trans have to see to crank?" then move forward. ecm and trans need power and grounds at all times. they need an key on signal to "wake up". if you have that at both, now look for do they have a "crank signal" from the key. once you verify that, now you look for what the ecm needs to have before it enables the crank prohibit to let voltage go to the starter. the ecm must see "neutral" or "park" signal from the trans. your automatic trans controller and shifter must be working properly for it to send the needed signal to the ecm crank enable. that is where i would start.

[@ydocproductions5593]

Great fix J.C. From finding the initial problem to tracing it down to a tiny little cut in that single wire. It’s truly surprising to me that the wiring harness loom could stop a truck dead in its tracks just from simple engine vibration over 20 years. Also looks like you caught it just in time too before it frayed even more wires in the harness as well. 👍

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Key words, "can it carry current?".

[@theheavywrench9549]

Automatic belt dressing application from the engine. Haha. Good video jc nothing like corrosion causing issues.

[@j.c.smithprojects]

i find it is easier to let them tell me their lies. as long as i let them go, they usually will tell all the bad things about the truck....in their "own way." i just have to be sharp enough to distinguish between "reality" and "their fabricated reality."

[@veronicastewart1959]

I'm so glad I found your channel, at least I have something to go on . You have a new subscriber and I do have a International but its a Bus so that being said I m hoping to get mine running again. Questions where can I get a print out like the one you're using. I've gone to International Truck and of course they look at me , like really ! But that's OK I'm not giving up. So thanks for sharing your videos from Mobile, Alabama .

[@j.c.smithprojects]

what year is your bus and what engine is it? i can see if i can a wiring schematic

[@veronicastewart1959]

@@j.c.smithprojects Hey there, how ya doing , good I hope . I have the info for you ! 1997 International Bus/ 7.3 T444E . Oh please if you can help me out I'd would appreciate so so much ! I want to learn how to fix a problem with I'm out on the road. I don't really want to put my phone number out here , is there anyway you can reach out to you ? I have a Gmail address. What ever you need me to do . I just want to get her running ! Ok thank you so much from Mobile, Alabama

[@carlstanoyevic3070]

Nice job on the wires .glad to see how successful a little patience can be.

[@harveylong5878]

good hunch on the 2nd problem JC. saved yourself the hassle of chasing a 'problem' that wasnt actually there. troubleshooting is becoming a lost art. easier to just hack something get vehicle out the door let the next guy figure wtf is all this hackery doing

[@DanielRodriguez-hg5wf]

J.C. just wanted to tell you thank you for this video. I am a mechanic in the marine field and very mechanically incline. This video saved my butt. I refused to figure this out with any help. Until I exhausted all my trouble shooting. I am not a diesel mechanic, but I an almost figure it all out. I am not to familiar with this truck. I bought this truck 3 years ago. its a 2001 4700 international with a dt446e. This video was very helpful and wanted to personally thank you for your video. I am officially a youtube mechanic for 7.3 diesel thanks to you. lol

[@j.c.smithprojects]

comgrats! this is why we make the videos. i always hope someone in a similar situation can finds it and helps them figure it out.

[@davidlugo8247]

What is the buzzing sound in the background when ignition switch it turned to on before cranking over ? I got a 1994 4600LP & I got crank no start and the buzzing sound is now gone. I was thinking of changing my icp and ipr

[@BigMuskachini]

ive been unable to get my 1996 thomas started for so long man and i dont have the patience for electrical problems like this and i know its either something stupid like this or its the god damn vandalock system causing me grief.

[@petervogwill6499]

Chafing...water..corrosion... WORK AROUND REPAIRS... when you fix em...understand the removal of the bad repair -- learning all the time. .! Well well well.... tests indicated other rely were well fed , and operational...instructs from cpu were part of avlogic"safety/lockout tree....

[@dennisdelk4298]

Thanks for the video I really enjoyed it. Never had thought about using a light to check the load. I've always just checked for continuity with a ohms meter. Awesome video for me.

[@j.c.smithprojects]

hope it helps you one day.

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Until I started watching the guys with diagnostic featured on their channel, I thought the ohm meter was a good test also!

[@JT-sz7xc]

J.C. When you retire you can go on the road with your comedy act, you can open up with Belt Dressing! 🤣😂🤣 Great video, I know your supper busy, so I’ll be glad to see a video when you have the time.

[@harrowtiger]

Learnt that the corrugated wrap tubing car wear through wire insulation. Who would’ve thought? Good detective work JC & First Lady JC. We enjoy fixing your Projects.

[@kennethsaville7451]

Outstanding job JC!

[@antoncrewe4378]

You have the patience of an angel 😇 & your wiring knowledge is insane probably all self taught your no dummy. Great vid.

[@toms1499]

Gotta love the green crusties, Well done!

[@oscarllaguno1423]

good evening, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, I am starting out in truck mechanics, and I can't find the electrical diagrams for the International 4700 T444E, could you share with me the wiring scheme you uses in this video? thank you very mu

[@wildcoyote34]

any problem worth fixing is worth doing right , especially with a vehicle safety system ,like the park/neutral safety switch

[@lyndleshelby6291]

Love this! Please do more! Spend some extra time explaining the wiring diagram too...I'll have to watch this several times to catch the finer points!

[@johnbbrown5750]

Thanks for the video, nicely done. Do you have the diagram for the two bulkhead connectors for this same model?

[@altorres4760]

hi sir, interesting videos. im having trouble removing the harness connector. the plastic tab spins but won't come off. I removed the small Phillip screw but no luck. any idea as to how to take it off. thanks

[@fredclarijs7370]

Profesional job 👍

[@MigrationExperts]

Hello I have a 2000 International 4700 and every time I push the start button the fuse 17 pops/blows any help or suggestions

[@guerrieraction7222]

Thank you sir you save me

[@RickRanielson]

This video gave me the confidence I need to track down why my ecm doesn't get power, I can't find a correct wire diagram for my bus, but it is very similar to your rig so this was ever so helpful, I'm working on my first bus and the amount of wires is pretty intimidating

[@someguy4476]

You’re awesome.

[@renesolorzano5019]

Good morning, how are you? JC Proyectos greets you René Solórzano from Ecuador many congratulations on the videos for me they are excellent you are a very intelligent and ingenious person the crane you built to transport the trucks is very elegant friend can you help me with the measurements or dimensions of the crane the measurement of the plate where the kin pin is welded the length of the base where the air buoys are 3 and the thickness of the U please help me I need for my personal use here in my country note if you have a plan With the measurements, a hug from a distance and many blessings, good luck note, I don't speak English but I understand you in the videos 👍 help me with a phone number to call you

[@L.A.Concrete]

I had a Oshkosh front discharge mixer that kept blowing fuses for the instrument cluster. Traced it down to on wire on the body harness . Replaced the wire taped the harness up and reinstalled the harness. It only took 3 days but we got it fixed 🤣🤣🤣

[@markclink6988]

I have a 2000 holiday rambler ambassador with 60,000 miles on it that has sat for two years that won’t start, it just cranks and cranks but no starting even with starting fluid. I put new batteries and a lift pump and still no start , do anyone have any answers please?

[@Gabianmaster]

I got a 95. What I did was I improved all my grounds, took them loose and ground the frame and put them back. Putting all new sensors and kept the other ones for spares and she fired right up and ran. Still been running good

[@MrLosethefat]

You're freaken awesome!!! Wish you could fix my 🚚 😆

[@nelsonhernandez2513]

Funny story this exact same problem happened to the tow truck same exact year and engine crank no start lost a weeks pay the truck only had approximately 31,000 miles on it age is what kills electronics.

[@JNHEscapes]

Dude who are you?? You care? You think? You want to fix it right?? Is this a parallel universe?? I’d hire you in a heartbeat! I almost bought a 98 4700 with the T444E the other day, but got scared. It only has 118k miles, but it constantly turns the warn engine light on and loses all accelerator control. The seller was turning it off and cranking it back up going down the road to fix it. When I drove it I figured out you could slap the accelerator a few times and it would come back, but the warn eng light would stay on until cycled. He said it started after they washed the engine compartment. Any ideas? Great video…

[@j.c.smithprojects]

You can usually get the blink codes out of that truck. that will give you a place to start. it is obviously something that the ecm sees as a threat to the engine. i would start there. you can also buy an inexpensive scanner to read the codes and some live data. a company over the pond called "launch" makes some diy options.

[@ericcorse]

Good fix JC I was thinking the same thing about fixing the problem right in the first place when I saw how much trouble it was to run that extra wire.

[@richardschatz2433]

Your video would be so much better if you zoomed in where you're sticking the mig wire because your camera is just all over the place you can't see what you're doing

[@steveinwesternindiana9834]

Great video! I learn something every time you post! Thanks!

[@DJSIM876]

Hey how are im haveing problem with my dt v6 engine I don't know what this clip or wire called so if I can email you a video or a pic of it if it's possible

[@michealsimmons-s4t]

I need help with this i got no crank-and transmission seems stuck in gear. Ran fine and shifted fine before now

[@chuck020950]

I have learned if i ever needed any type of repair i would be knocking on your door...

[@builtbytonyt]

I have a problem with my international 99 won’t show my wait to start light of seems like my pcm has no power or ground I could start it from relay but won’t turn on () oNly over

[@h22eh6]

Awesome job brother

[@pastorharrymuyenza]

I have a similar problem a crank no start...can we connect I need help?

[@tylerhoward2703]

so was the dash on this not lighting up/turning on as well? ive got an issue where on the same system im not getting crank or power to the dash

[@thamaraliraq9305]

Good evening, my dear friend. I am an international auto mechanic in this field, and I need a blueprint for this international car

[@ramelsaudi5530]

Sir can u help me regarding to Engine T444E only timing Cover Remove then after fixing Engine Not Start Only Crank.. What is the Problem?.. Thank you

[@Toptrans989]

Jc please may you get in touch ive the same issue with truck

[@chrishigdon1070]

nice job jc

[@davidhenri2722]

You have a link to that wire schematic? I have a similar problem. No power signal to the start relay on the firewall. I've been looking around and found so many wires stab tested and now corroding it's disgusting. With ignition on I can jump the pins on the firewall and it all starts/runs great. No power coming out of firewall bulkhead connection but back probed ignition switch and is good.

[@davidhenri2722]

No need, found my problem. Between ignition switch and crank relay wire 17 and 17C I had a body builder starter interrupt circuit installed but not used anymore. Found wiring fault. Bypassed body builder interrupt and unit starts fine.

[@thelaststarfighter]

Where did you get the wiring diagrams from?

[@dirtyjobsdonedirtcheap53]

We have a 1997 with a 466E crank no start, could you tell me where you find the electrical schematic you printed? Thank You

[@j.c.smithprojects]

INTERNATIONAL DEALER

[@exsonlogisticssolutions5237]

I have a more less similar problem, but truck wont start using ignition...also tried jump the starter..it keeps cranking and wont run..can you help. I can provide my phone number

[@j.c.smithprojects]

the video series starts with this truck having a starting issue. i go through the steps to find the problem. want the videos from start to finish. you may find your issue.

[@stevenix6357]

If i buy a truck it will be from u i love u detail to fix the problem

[@lexion2772]

I'm a mechanic for a State Agency. We have access to Mitchell on demand whose med. duty truck schematics are sketchy, at best. How may I get in touch with AMI ?

[@j.c.smithprojects]

you can get what i get from your local dealer.

[@DavidL3430]

Bravo!

[@h22eh6]

Where can I get a wiring diagram for dt466

[@mdwdirect]

Trying to absorb the volume of high quality information you produce is like trying to drink from a firehose. Hmmm…that is meant to be a compliment of the highest order but it may not translate lol

[@j.c.smithprojects]

you might be surprised what we can retain....you may be troubleshooting a similar problem one day and some of the techniques i used here or you seen someone do will pop right up to you,

[@markinkster9257]

Dynamic testing. The only way to test.

[@gregkendrick1874]

Is this a good motor to have? Im looking at a 2001 international 4900 26ft box with the 6+ manual transmission.. Under 200k on the motor... Any input about this combination would be greatly appreciated please and thank you😎

[@j.c.smithprojects]

i am always cautious when someone say xxx miles "on the motor". it is usually followed by "i dont have paperwork on the engine", or "engine only had 40k miles" "the chassis has 500k" or more miles. i have not run into a 4900 series with a t444e. most times they are dt466 or larger. i like the trans. some do, some dont. i have owned many. i would put a scanner on it and see what the ecm miles and hours are before i would consider it. those clusters are notorious for not working.

[@gregkendrick1874]

@@j.c.smithprojects actually just click ony youtube page.. I just uploaded a video of the truck and motor pleaseeee

[@kevinmoore342]

International Ani truck international I’m gonna tell you what buddy you got your hands full because their wiring is terrible they used two small gauge wire and they stretched wires too tight it’s terrible.

[@j.c.smithprojects]

i think some of the freightliners are worse than internationals as far as wiring.

[@josearellano5945]

Where is part 1? Was it just cranking/no start or did it not turn over at all? I have 2002 and have crank no start issue. I have gotten it to start using ether in emergency but trying to troubleshoot start issue.

[@j.c.smithprojects]

i just created a playlist with all the videos of this truck i think there were 5 in total.

[@mikeseguin904]

What ever happened to rebuilding your friends SBC?

[@j.c.smithprojects]

its is coming in time.

[@rc5693]

Fine bit of work, and reading prints too

[@OneMechanic]

Great find ! I hate those hard plastic wire looms because of finding similar issues with wires rubbing... Ohio crusties... lol. Stay safe 😁👍

[@mikereining8631]

Can you tell me what wires are needed just to run the motor that's what I'm trying to figure out now it's just get the motor running wires the rest I can worry about later I can get back on my feet that way and get back on the road

[@mikereining8631]

Also can you tell me if that 2013 terrace start did that come with a dt466e as well cuz I could probably just get harness for that cab for that motor I was sleeping

[@waynedunne4507]

Nearly forgot. Hello Mrs JC.

[@markclink6988]

I have a 2000 holiday rambler ambassador with 60,000 miles on it that has sat for two years that won’t start, it just cranks and cranks but no starting even with starting fluid. I put new batteries and a lift pump and still no start , do anyone have any answers please?

[@jeremyellis647]

55 gallon of "belt dressing"

[@AB__84-s]

Where do you get the schematics?

[@matiasdos3653]

Great job!

[@Atr42Greasemonkey]

Bought a 2001 International 444e school bus and someone ripped all the wiring including fuse blocks out of the bus. Can you help me is there a way to start the bus with wiring removed from the inside of the bus? Im will to pay you as you are absolutely excellent at troubleshooting. IM in the DFW Texas area.

[@j.c.smithprojects]

get a wiring schematic from the international dealer or the bus dealer. it will outline the power and grounds you need as well as the throttle pedal inputs.

[@Atr42Greasemonkey]

@@j.c.smithprojects Thanks JC

[@Thunderroad8517]

Great video and diagnoses. I really could use your help if you would be so kind and inclined. I'm working on a 2001 International 4300 dt466. Its a little different than yours. I changed the batteries yesterday and now I have a crank no start. Im not a diesel mechanic but I have a few years with the gas burners. I can't find a wiring diagram that matches the truck Im working on or even a fuse box legend. Do you have a link to find a diagram? Everything I find on google is not close. I would like to check my powers and grounds at the idm relay but its not in the fuse box labeled. Also I hear no clicking under the hood with the key on. This is not a all the time thing of working on diesels. Im just trying to get my but out of a crack. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. thanks for your time.

[@j.c.smithprojects]

look in the battery box for missed ecm power and grounds. may have left one off when you changed the batteries.

[@Thunderroad8517]

@@j.c.smithprojects Thank you Sir. Will do!

[@Hyredshark]

Where did you find the diagram (and manual) on this truck?

[@j.c.smithprojects]

international dealer

[@earleclemans4836]

Where do you get your schematics?