2002 Firebird Firehawk vs 2024 Subaru BRZ TS with 0-60

We are pitting this 2024 Subaru BRZ TS (sister car to the Toyota GR86 Trueno Edition) with 6-speed manual 4-cylinder 2.4L making 228hp Boxer engine against that 2002 Pontiac Firebird Firehawk with 6-speed manual 5.7L LS1 V8 making 345hp across multiple categories including REAL WORLD 0-60 Times!
The BRZ has 1/2 the cylinders but is 22 years newer with a modern interior. Can it keep up with the aging Firebird equipped with an LS1 V8, T56 manual transmission, and T-Tops!?!
Out BEST 0-60 Times from us on an unprepped roadway near sea level:
BRZ TS: 6.13s
Firebird: 5.39s
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2002 Pontiac Firebird Firehawk:
This SIGNED 5.7L LS1 V8 powered 2002 Firebird is that LAST Firehawk officially built by SLP, build # 1503. It has a close ratio T56 6-speed manual transmission, rated at 345hp and 350tq from the factory and I BOUGHT IT.
Also upgraded are the ESR wheels, Power Stop Brakes, & Continental Extreme Contact 02 Tires
2024 Subaru BRZ tS
New suspension tuned by STI®
Equipped with high-performance Brembo® braking system
Unique exterior and interior elements
First-time EyeSight® Driver Assist Technology offered on a Subaru with a manual transmission
2024 Subaru BRZ tS Specs (GR86 Trueno Edition):
2.4L Naturally-aspirated Horizontally Opposed 4-cylinder Boxer Engine
228 Horsepower
184 lb-ft of Torque
93 Octane
RWD
6-Speed Manual Transmission
MacPherson Strut Front Suspension with Hitachi® (SACHS®) Dampers
Double Wishbone Rear Suspension with Hitachi® (SACHS®) Dampers, Stabilizer Bar, and Anti-lift Geometry (multi-link)
Torsen® limited-slip differential (LSD)
Brembo® 4-piston Front Disc Brakes
12.8-in. (325 mm.) & Ventilated Rotors
Brembo® 2-piston Rear Disc Brakes
12.4-in. (315 mm.) Solid Rotors
18-inch Black-metallic-painted Alloy Wheels
215/40R18 Michelin® * Pilot® Sport 4 Summer Tires
Vehicle Stability Control Full-Off Mode and Track Mode
6.1 second 0-60 mph Acceleration
140 mph Top Speed
Dual Cat-back Exhaust
Seating for 4 (2+2)
Heated Front Seats
6-way Adjustable Driver's Seat with Leather-trimmed Bolsters and Ultrasuede® Inserts
4-way Adjustable Front Passenger Seat
One-piece Folding Rear Seatback with Ultrasuede® Trim
Leather-trimmed Manual Tilt and Telescopic 3-spoke Sport Steering Wheel
8-inch Infotainment Screen with wired Apple CarPlay and Android Auto
Dual-zone Automatic Climate Control
Auto-leveling Projector-type LED Headlights with Automatic High Beams, Adaptive Front-Lighting System, and LED Turn Signals
LED Taillights
Blind Spot Detection
Backup Camera with Trajectory
6.26 Cubic Feet of Trunk Space (Supra 10.2)
Proximity Key with Push Button Start
EPA Fuel Economy 20/26/22 (city/hwy/cmb)
Starting Price: $29,300 (Base)
Price As Tested: $37,610 (Includes Destination)
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[@1offgarage]

Out BEST 0-60 Times from us on an unprepped roadway near sea level: BRZ TS: 6.13s Firebird: 5.39s

[@peterwindle4453]

my 98 Formula does 0-60 a little quicker, all stock, just a tune and high flow cats and it's an auto

[@1offgarage]

@@peterwindle4453 I believe a lot of the Autos got lower final drive ratios, the original reviews also showed them being slightly faster 0-60 than the T56 cars

[@peterwindle4453]

@@1offgarage would it reach final gear within 0-60??

[@turbozombie3506]

Manuals have 3.42 autos 3.23 rear gear

[@peterwindle4453]

@@turbozombie3506 pretty sure my auto has 2.7 or something like that...?

[@getlosttoday4045]

Pontiac nailed it with that last gen firebird! Sexy car even 20 years later!

[@1offgarage]

Absolutely! Undeniably great looking car!

[@HoldTheDark-o8e]

Yes they did. It’s gorgeous. I had a 2002 Camaro SS heavily modified, and I always wished that I had put the work into a Firebird body style. At that time, the fire birds were a lot more expensive and you could find the fourth Camaros for good deals, so that’s what I went with.... well definitely debated later whether I should have spent that extra money

[@acidspaz4252]

Looks like 💩...

[@toddl3328]

​@@acidspaz4252 better than your prius

[@KernelFault]

My sincere hope is that car lovers love their own cars as much as I do my 2024 GR86.

[@1offgarage]

If you buy it & you love it, it's a good car. Simple as that 👍

[@PaulGrant-t6t]

Overall, what I am getting from this is. The Firebird is felt to be prettier and is quicker in a Straightline due its V8 power. It sounds better as well which is no surprise. Also, they stress the Firebird is cheaper. It also has a larger interior. These are all valid points. As a counter point. In today's market had the Firebird continued to be produced I'm certain based on prices of V8 Camaro's, it would be more expensive than the BRZ. The handling of a 20 plus year old Firebird is not in the same league as the BRZ. However, if the Firebird was being produced today it would most likely been based on the Camaro bringing the handling up to par. Making a direct comparison. The BRZ has a better gearbox, has better handling is not that much slower to 60 even though it is not a 0-60 car. On a race track the BRZ might do better due to its handling stock for stock. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally like a compact sportscar. To me the Firebird (which looks better without the Firehawk snorkels) has too much overhang front and rear.

[@starrdogchamp1]

Firehawk hands down!

[@hdelano11]

Still have my 98 TA with 50k miles.... Heads, cam, stall, etc. Perfect 10 second street car. Especially back in the 2000s.... Now stock cars can run 10s or 11s easy

[@1offgarage]

We drive these older cars for the fun of it, not ultimate speed these days. And I'm perfectly fine with that

[@NoNoseFlappy69]

That generation of Pontiac Firebird is actually just a hotwheels car

[@1offgarage]

And that's why we love it 😂

[@randallbollinger1449]

The firehawk is a beautiful car

[@Antonio_P-y1b]

There’s a reason the BRZ doesn’t have turbo lag, it doesn’t have a turbo…

[@ImKelby]

That was the joke big dog

[@joeydelgado6119]

Firehawk everyday and twice on Sunday.

[@tommyistommy]

Pretty interesting to hear others are comparing modern Japanese to 4th gen f-bodies...I was comparing the 4th gen to the JDM 90s vehicles (300zx, Supra, 3000GT, RX7) in my video in my 99 Trans Am/01 Formula, people lost their minds! At the end of the day, we're all car guys. We do cross shop these things! A square wheel/tire setup with a good 200tw tire on a 4th gen handles pretty damn good. Plus it hooks up with any launch technique. The panhard bar rear and double wishbone front is just flat out fun and you can fit 315s on all 4 corners. 98-02 F Bodies have been the best value for performance since new. They are rapidly increasing in value though. I like the firehawk look the best but as you mentioned, none of the "special" slp parts did much. The 01-02s run harder with truck cam and LS6 intake. I say find the least beat up one and buy it. Personally, I hate the WS6 hood anyways. Even if I bought a WS6, I'd sell some other sucker the hood for 3k. They built nearly equal WS6 to non WS6 T/As. All the Camaros are ugly and have far worse seats and interior design overall. But they are lighter and cheaper! Glad to see someone else still supporting and using a 4th gen, subscribing now! I have too many cars but I post my F Bodies pretty regularly

[@1offgarage]

Absolutely! We want to take a look at what you can get today with today's money in today's market..... I also noticed the vast majority of F-Bodies are modified for straight line speed only but they honestly handle very well when equipped properly

[@tommyistommy]

@1offgarage these handled as well as anything but since they did perform so well in drag racing, it all got overlooked. This spring I'll have mine on a square 295 setup and plan on tracking/auto crossing it

[@MrWhiteTank]

What about DSM’s. Man those American built 4g63 jdm’s could handle some power. 😉

[@tommyistommy]

@@MrWhiteTank dsms are a ton of fun and when they were cheap, they were great. At today's prices....a dsm is not much cheaper than an actual Evo!

[@norwegianblue2017]

That dog almost ran under your tires at 11:53

[@shanedoink]

Love the Hawk. Nothing like that new car smell 2 decades later. I have a low mile 02 TA that’s a last month build and I know what a time capsule you have.

[@1offgarage]

I appreciate that! It does still have that late 90s-early 2000s smell inside

[@fashioniconjaylienkay]

I changed my '22 BRZ's exhaust to an Axle-back MBRP exhaust system and it sounds so much better. With EL headers and K&N Air Intake, the BRZs sound magnificent. Not as good as the FireHawk of course but it's a significant improvement. I really enjoyed this comparison and I'll forever be a Pontiac Firebird enthusiast.

[@1offgarage]

Thanks for the solid info for BRZ/GR86 owners. Although those platforms are very solid, especially for cornering, These motors need some help sounding good!

[@driveitlikeyastoleit55]

I've always loved 4th gens, I got my first (a 95 z28) in 96. I'm on my fifth one now and it's amazing how with just a few mods how fast they can be. Tick cam, ported 243's, kooks headers and tune and it made 421 wheel. Also have about everything bmr makes suspension wise, the weld in subframe connectors make a huge difference on a t-top car no more chassis flex. Nice Firehawk bud she's a beauty!

[@4673962]

Easy...... firebird!

[@BanditJedi]

This is the kind of content I’ve been longing for! The real Fbody platform being tested against modern vehicles. Love it. Plus, whoever does the editing and videography…winning! I’d suggest Late Model Lighting for upgrading the headlights for the Bird. I have them on my CETA and love them.

[@1offgarage]

Glad you liked it! I (Eric) Filmed it & did 50% of the editing.

[@BanditJedi]

@ I could watch hours of your Hawk just driving around with the dynamic way you film it. Can’t wait for the next vid and I shared the link in the Trans Am Nation group on fb.

[@juanc5149]

Bro imagine in 2002 asking people which car to spend 25k A 2002 Subaru WRX or a 1978 Pontiac Trans Am.

[@LordHolley]

Why is this even a comparison? The Firehawk will crush the BRZ in a straight line or on a road course. Unless you need the reliability and good gas mileage of a new car, this is a no-brainer.

[@MoNoToNeGaMeRz]

that's what I was wondering... maybe someone lied to them and said the BRZ was fast

[@christophermorales1509]

I know you guys weren’t going for gold but there’s a lot more in that Firehawk. Best part was scratching the tires on the shifts, and I could chirp the 3-4 in my stock Formula.

[@manworksgarage]

Definitely ta or formula is the best looking. Had a 98. Now have a 2000. And on my 3rd ls1 camaro. Love the catfish

[@jordanjoestar8839]

Great video! For a tip, in the starting shots your camera Aperture is too low to see both of your faces in focus! Try that shot at F2.8-4 and you'll have both the cars and your faces in focus, while retaining a decent background separation!

[@1offgarage]

So unfortunately this was shot on an Lumix 85mm f1.8 lens at around f2.8... however the lens was faulty & nothing is fully in focus, I believe an element. I sent it in for repair & they sent me back a brand new replacement stating it was unreported 😬. I did notice the blurriness however we only had that BRZ for a week & couldn't get in a reshoot.

[@PapaSmurf337]

The Firehawk package could be optioned to any of the 3 trims offered with Pontiac's 4th gen Fbody: the Firebird, Formula or T/A. And the quad scoop hood did not come on all T/A's only those with the WS6 option and all Firehawks had Ram Air even without the quad scoop WS6 hood.

[@michaelthompson4178]

Almost right, the Firebird was the V6 3800 car, so you couldn't get that in a Firehawk. Basically that package was the Formula Firehawk. Base Firebird body with all the upgraded Firehawk stuff. Originally the Firehawk for the late 3rd gen (91-92) and early 4th gen (lt1 cars) was only available on the Formula. Once the LS1 dropped the Firehawk package could be had on a Trans am for the first time.

[@PapaSmurf337]

​@michaelthompson4178 Firebirds came standard with V6 yes, but it was always an option to add a V8. Formulas and T/As came with the V8 by standard. The first 4th gen Firehawk I saw 25 years ago the owner told me it was a Firebird and not a Formula or T/A so either he was wrong about his car or Firehawk was available on a V8 optioned Firebird

[@michaelthompson4178]

@@PapaSmurf337 3rd gen cars, yes you could add a V8. The 4th gen (LT1) cars you could not add the V8 as a option. Hence why the only V8 LT1 cars (talking about stock) are either a Formula or trans am. The Formula had the base looking body but had the trans am engine/suspension. I owned both a 3rd gen (87 Formula) and an 4th gen (96 Formula) not actually sure about the 91-92 Firehawk but those look exactly like the Formula of that year only difference is the Firehawk sticker, wheels. I'm sure there's a Motorweek video floating around on here on the 91-92 cars which were the original Firehawk. Edit: just checked out the Motorweek video. He says, just order a Firebird Formula, came in red only with so and so option package. So even the original Firehawk was a standard Formula with the Firehawk option package

[@PapaSmurf337]

@@michaelthompson4178 4th gen LT1s ... I forgot about those. No LT4 for early 4th gen Firehawks? 3rd gen Firehawks are wild child's that must have been fun. Did you ever track them?

[@PapaSmurf337]

@michaelthompson4178 I forget that 4th gen F-body came out in what '93 or 94 with gen2 sbc justva few years before LS1 and the 5th gen Y-body

[@Crazy8ts]

Should be getting 5.0'-5.1's 0-60 in the firehawk..they arent launching it hard enough

[@CubanAceSimulations]

It's a heavy car, I'm surprised it's on the 5.3 secs mark.

[@turlubambabou]

@@CubanAceSimulations its not "that" heavy ( 1580kg ) compared to a 2024 Mustang/Camaro near 1800 ishhh kg

[@LordHolley]

​@CubanAceSimulations BRZ is only about 400 lbs lighter. Modern tires and a real launch, absolutely low 5s high 4s and then it just keeps pulling well past 150mph.

[@Ifyoutroll]

@@CubanAceSimulationsyou must not know how quick these cars where stock

[@leecook7904]

Fire hawk. Man I remember seeing the article when they first came out. I think it was a red one. Such a gem.

[@firehawk584]

you should bring that Firehawk to the 31st Annual Firehawk/CompTA Rally at Summit Motorsports Park in Norwalk Ohio in conjunction with AMES Pontiac Nationals July 18th to 20th.~Black-Hawk, Firehawk Association of America member

[@1offgarage]

Ohio is a LOOOOONG way from East Texas. Is it worth the 16 hour drive?

[@firehawk584]

@@1offgarage ..i driven from Santa Fe, NM and Ogden, UT twice to earn 3 Long Distance Awards... wise man once said, "you can't be afraid to drive it!" ~Black-Hawk, Firehawk Association of America member

[@motorgearhead]

I’ve got $35K - a C5 corvette & blower/suspension. You could also find a high mileage C6 Z06 for 35K.

[@peterwindle4453]

More rear seat space in the bird than the subaru... but something to keep in mind is how much that bird cost when it was new... get yourself a dash - mat, it makes a big difference with glare on the windscreen

[@1offgarage]

If I can find a classy dash mat that matches the car I will! I also plan on doing a clear UV front glass film to eliminate most of the UV damage. She also sits in a garage when I'm not driving it.

[@peterwindle4453]

@@1offgarage I made my own from $8 worth of material, it does not look pretty, but considering my car is right hand drive, I could not exactly buy one off the counter :-)

[@richardrawson]

Are those ESR wheels on the Firehawk the RF11? I’d love to know the size and offset you used- the fitment looks fantastic.

[@1offgarage]

ESR 18" Rotary Forged aluminum RF11 wheels in brushed aluminum with Continental Extreme Contact Sport 02 tires. Front: 9.5" width +35 offset with 275/35r18 tires Rear: 10.5" width +22 offset with 295/35r18 width wheels. No abs lights or issues in functionality. These are a "custom drill" in the proper 5x120.65 pattern and they were delivered to my front door only a couple weeks after I placed my order.

[@kylealexander1587]

Gm needs to bring back Pontiac the firebird would sell like crazy. The first few years. Stupid gm updates it once a decade then say they don't sell

[@thatonebeone]

owned a 2013 frs 86 now a 2020 brz ts... the new ones are eh ok of looks but the first version will seem to have the better age looking over the years... sad they are not making stick cars much now days it seem like dying thing but glad to get older cars because they are easy and cheaper to work on especially those old school v6 and v8 muscle cars

[@danielvazquez7139]

Great video! Congrats for the channel from México!! Bring the Tahoe again.

[@1offgarage]

More Tahoe is coming! Truck Norris Cam & long tube headers are up next!

[@danziger69]

These cars are different to the point of almost incomparable. Personally, I would take a LS1 Trans Am all day long. I owned a 1999 red Trans Am WS6 and it was a great car.

[@dustyschirato]

That generation of cars got me into cars.

[@VcArena]

Or you can get a z28 with a ls1 for about $5,000 which i have 2 of em, instead of a firehawk.

[@1offgarage]

I absolutely agree, the Firehawk & CETA cars are probably the the least "value" oriented trims to buy, that's for sure! There are THOUSANDS of LS1 powered F-Bodies for super cheap.

[@jjay718]

I like both cars and use to own a SS Camaro 4th gen. Loved that car as it was so much fun to slide around. It also handled pretty good with some suspension mods. I still think the brz would crush it on track in the corners and have been thinking about picking one up. The brz can sound pretty good with some UEL headers and a catback. If I was to get another 4th gen it would have to be a super clean example with a hardtop and 6 speed. Stock form they handle like boats too so ide have to mod it right away.

[@deigobams3]

Kind of crazy a little NA 4 cylinder would be within a couple tenths to 60 if 2nd was a tiny bit taller or redline was a tiny bit higher.

[@mattdirks7896]

Honestly, a really interesting apples-to-oranges comparo.

[@1offgarage]

That was the idea. Similar formula, similar money, but not direct competitors. Thanks!

[@Emilthehun]

The brz is like the miata or the mini. When your driving it , you feel like you are flying. In reality, they are pretty slow. Me and my wife always have a great time in my moms mazda , because it "feels" faster then my corvette. I really dont know how to explain that feeling.

[@Noliftracingbro]

Those coffee grounds are strong 😂

[@agentcelsius]

The firehawk's MSRP in 2002 was $33,900, in today's money, it would be $63,000. I definitely agree, the rarity and cool factor is up there. I don't understand the comparison tho. These 2 cars were built for different purposes. I would love to watch a POV of a firehawk follow a BRZ in a touge. PS. Wait a year for the 2004 wrx sti for $32,000, 300hp 0-60 4.9sec. And good luck finding 1 for $30k with 30k miles.

[@Mikeyg9096]

I’m not sure why you compared that to a Subaru but whatever I love the Trans Am !

[@1offgarage]

We're simply comparing similar vehicles for similar money. More of a Mash-Up than a Match-Up, but it's still a cool comparison for enthusiasts

[@Noliftracingbro]

The BRZ needed the sti turbo engine idk why they don't 😂

[@moldyrefrigerator]

Because they have common sense. Turbo, and all the supporting parts to cover it under a factory warranty would ballon the costs to $45k+. At $45k, the interior of this car would not be okay. Many things about this car would not be okay. It just doesn’t make sense.

[@agentcelsius]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5TTaGlnaJeSibssi=zNkQ1YuqaZFlNuoK

[@pasnbyu52]

IMHO....at $33k you payed WAY to much. I have a beauty '02 as well and paid much less in April.

[@wallzWs6]

He mentioned that it was the last formula Firehawk built in 02. So that commands a premium

[@pasnbyu52]

@wallzWs6 WHAT¿??? Mine is 1 of 7 Formula Firehawks in '02...what's that attract??

[@shanedoink]

@@pasnbyu52 depends miles, options and condition friend. I think this is the one that’s been showing up on multiple social media platforms as the last one. If that’s the car it’s basically a new car. You having a Hawk, you know they command slightly more than a WS6(30th anniversary excluded).

[@pasnbyu52]

@@shanedoink oh yes, I know. I cherish my red, t- top, M6....33k miles.

[@shanedoink]

@@pasnbyu52 same, 02 TA 34k miles 6sp. No door panel cracks, took care of that so it wouldnt happen.

[@clintmullins4406]

I’m not going to say you can’t drive but you need some aggression and practice

[@Staypuff777]

Hard to compare these two. I own a Firebird and its great but feels heavy to throw around in corners. I haven't driven the BRZ but if it drives like a rwd version of the late 90s/early 2000s sport compact cars then it would be a hoot.

[@KevinUrban-u1z]

Next could you do a comparison of 2012 Cadillac Escalade and a 2024 bmw M8 thanks in advance.

[@VcArena]

I get pesky little brz's that wanna race my 01 f body all the time. 😅 my best 0-60 was 4.51 but im not stock, and at the time had 2.73 rear gears

[@bradc903]

Both nice cars but an unfair comparison. Let’s totally take handling out of the competition, the one thing the brz would dominate in and call the firehawk the winner? 0-60 isn’t the only thing that makes a sports car.

[@joelritenour6751]

Due to gearing, the BRZ takes 3 gear changes to reach 60.

[@1offgarage]

Unfortunately that is 100% correct. A lower final drive would really add some pep to the car... but they have emissions goals to hit 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@tvtime2644]

@@1offgarageYou can swap the rear diff w/ a gen 1 4.3 diff which is an exact fit. It’s a fairly common swap and improves things w/o going overboard.

[@CountryAggie80]

Don’t do just the LMC truck or LED in stock style housing lights. They are bright but all oncoming traffic will hate you. You can build a projector setup or they have a kit now. Or the lazy eye kit is recent and getting more popular.

[@ehrenbyrd-tv5po]

LS swap the suby

[@mickdabz]

If they put the same turbo that comes on the wrx on the brz there wouldn't be any turbo lag

[@turbocoupe9212]

Love that Firehawk but throw those wheels in the trash and put the factory Firehawk wheels on it, looks like 4wd , that car is high

[@evcass69]

100%

[@CB12345]

Pontiac is the best.

[@JROC734]

Pretty sure that's a Formula based Firehawk. I think they're pretty rare as most were T/A based Hawk. IDK for sure. I've owned Catfish, but never a Bird, even though my mom had a 99 Firebird V6 when I was in highschool. When talking GEN4 LS1 Firebirds, the Formula is the equivalent to the GEN4 Camaro Z/28, and the T/A is the equivalent to the GEN4 Camaro SS.

[@razorback9374]

Is this really a 2002 firehawk? I thought they had the same front bumpers as my 01 WS6.

[@1offgarage]

I believe the Trans Am Firehawk had a very similar or the same nose as a WS6. This one is a Formula

[@bige8397]

But would you daily the Firehawk?

[@1offgarage]

I basically do. I drive it at least a couple times a week, including for errands. I drive my 2010 Tahoe when I want to be more comfortable & need the space.

[@RandyJM21]

I owned a 02 firehawk that was delvered with the garbage tune after SLP was caught by govt for failing smog that everybody got but complained like crazy and finally an un named man dressed all in black ( No B.S.) showed up at my door . Explained the issue i was having after hitting WOT at 80 and the car bogging was due to the garbage tune put on the 02 Firehawk after the real one failed that was what SLP wanted for last F-body cars that was gona be a monster . He explained most owners didnt go WOT after loping along at 80 or notice tue issues because in other paramenters the tune was ok enough that people didnt know to complain but people who expected what Firehawks generally were and flogged them would . He then made me an offer . He said . If you dont ask for my Name or any other questions, ask for paperwork and agree i was never here i will take my laptop and put the original tune that SLP wanted on the final cars and not only will the bog going WOT at high speed go away but the car will perform better all around . Go in your house , wait 30 min , dont come outside or speak to me and make sure the rental car is gone and your car will now have all the power it was supposed to . Answer me quickly or i get in rental car and return to Detroit , was never here and you live with it . I said OK , followed his instructions and 30 min later took car out and got on it a bunch at higher speeds and it pulled hard and no more bogging and breaking up plus it pulled like a beast everywhere wanting to spin the big sticky Firestone Summer tires with awful treadwear while still scrambling forward and stuffing you in seat in a way our C5 didnt and nobody believed the car was stock . Firehawks were always underated and over performed as cars that SLP produced . The 02 with illegal factory tune was a beast of its time for what it was and considering the extra weight and more advanced set up of the corvette beat up on it in straightline and you need a 405 HP Z0-6 to go faster . They rated the Firehawk at 345 now that C5 was rated at 350 after initially being rated at 345 itself as GM Never liked an F - body with advertised figures above the Vette but if you had the intended tune this was well above 345 and i suspect making Z0-6 power at least or pretty close considering what it did to my stock C8 and others . In 02 the car was pretty mad for what was around for an NA car and nobody believed it was stock . With that said , its decades later so firehawk may have lost some of its fire but if this one runs well or was tweaked i cant see how it doesnt destroy the Subaru in a drag race . BRZ is a cool car I would enjoy but for simple straightline stuff the firehawk is gonna slaughter it if it has good tires and doesnt blow the tires off . 5-60 / 70 would be even worse . If its got the original garbage tune and not the black coat tune or some modern tuner didnt fix the EPA tune thrown on in hurry after caught and tired maybe its closer . But the puke tune was less noticeable at lower speeds so we will see but having owned a 02 Firehawk i know with the tune SLP designed for it , it was a beast that was not like a WS6 , SS or C5 and something like a Z06 , freakish for time and craziest car SLP did for F - BODIES with previous gens always being freaks as well but 02s were nuts if you got the right beeps and boops . But even with garbage tune should take the BRZ in acceleration test . Seems an odd match up .

[@beyondquestion]

3:00... Yes!!^^ I never even HEARD of a Firehawk!! I know Firebird and Trans Am, and am STILL confused over the difference, cuz I seen v8s in both but, other than 1968, nothing touches the bod one a Trans Am WS6. \O>

[@shanedoink]

A review of my 02 TA from 2 years ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/omiYeayIhc2Fb8ksi=Khy-zV7hnVGGnU1w

[@cobraman897]

I'm so confused why the guy even bought the brz. He literally talks down on his car the whole time.....

[@barflin]

Holy Moly! Was that a deer or a dog at 11:52? that was a crazy coincidence if it was.

[@jeremywhittington7605]

Dog

[@kennethmcdonald9970]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the BRZ doesn't have a turbo.

[@kmb957]

Yeah no shit. They literally said it needs a turbo.

[@RyanBerich-u1w]

@@kmb957they also said “this is a turbo” and complemented it for not having turbo lag at about 1:20.

[@thegreendoormx4441]

​@RyanBerich-u1w 😂 yall are dumb as rocks. He yelled out " it needs a turbo" Response was " even a small one " Response to that was " least you don't have turbo lag". Not one time did they say that BRZ was turbocharged.

[@thegreendoormx4441]

​@@RyanBerich-u1wthey DIDNT SAY THAT. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 THE guy said " this needs a turbo!".

[@kmb957]

@@RyanBerich-u1w no they didn't. They listed the power and said it needs a turbo and then stated as an upside, it has no turbo lag. Go back and turn on closed captioning.

[@Noliftracingbro]

What was the Pontiac version of the cavalier?? Thats the interior in the birds😂

[@bradc903]

Sunfire. And it’s every gm car. grand am Monte Carlo Grand Prix etc, They all got basically the same interior

[@Billn1971]

Sunbird...then the Sunfire

[@amordeweso]

😂 firehawk easily wins

[@tone3560]

Warranty >no warranty and old The brz doesn’t have a turbo which kills your credibility altogether Car and driver hit 5.5 second 0-60 with brz. Those aren’t stock width rear tires on ws6. Stock for stock would be close if the stock width ws6 would even hook.

[@moldyrefrigerator]

C&D did it in 5.4 seconds actually. Twice.

[@Kopernicus67]

Not a comparison of similar cars. BRZ is a track car. Firebird is a muscle car. You only compared them in the race that clearly favored one over the other. How about some lap times? Some of us are not unidimensional in how we enjoy cars. Mashing the gas pedal? Please.

[@RyanBerich-u1w]

Completely different cars. There are better new cars to compare the Pontiac to and better used cars to compare the Subaru to. You can’t compare price to price. Old cars have high maintenance cost and new cars have low maintenance cost. Add price and maintenance together to compare. You focused on 0 to 60 and admitted the Subaru is designed for driving on curvy roads. Looks like you picked the car and the tests to prove you bought the right car. Good for you. Stupid video.

[@Grumpyoldman666]

lol the fire hawkis 10x the car and can also be modded for more power way easier

[@Thumper68]

Needs a 3.73 eaton posi

[@1offgarage]

That's on the list. She already has the Easton limited slip

[@michaelm3381]

V8 American muscle for the win!

[@1offgarage]

🦅🦅🦅

[@Dan-qz8do]

Ya should have used a WRX

[@majorhemroid]

If you think that's the best looking American car ever, get your eyesight checked!

[@acidspaz4252]

The Subaru looks a billion times better than the firebird...

[@nickcharli1025]

What an idiot

[@TaylorG-n1u]

Both cars are slow. Even in MX-5 can beat a BRZ😂

[@Cichlid_Visuals]

the BRZ has no turbo, just a 2.4 litre NA boxer with high as fuck compression. have seen them do 0-60 in 5.3, and 13.8 quarter mile bone stock.

[@tvtime2644]

Yeah, 6.1 is going easy on the car. Most mags like C&D etc. typically peg it at 5.5-5.6, which is pretty respectable.

[@iamzeusandthisisthetruth4229]

My 01 T/A had to have an ENGINE REPLACEMENT IN 05 due to OVER BORED ODD CYLENDERS! Got a LS1 from 05 GTO, meaning 340HP, and 390FT pounds! 12.9 1/4 0-60 4.8! But 1 Gear basically went to 55 and shift made 60! .273 gears and AUTO! Intake Filter and RAM IAR MOD, with FLOWMASTER AND HYPERTECH PROGRAM! WHICH THE PROGRAM removes 1.2 SECOND OFF 1/4! 14.0 WITHOUT PROGRAM, 12.9 WITH PROGRAM!

[@69fcortina]

I have absolutely no confidence in being able to buy a 2002 anything that's not got serious hidden problems. And given the age and behavior of the auto industry lately, I have even less confidence in being able to buy replacement parts when something goes wrong. Factor that into your comparison.