2008 - 2016 Honda Start Rattle , VTC actuator fix

If you get a rattle that last a few seconds in the morning this might be the fix. 2008-2016 Honda CRV, Accord.
Compression spring size:
7/32 x .025 x 1-3/8 long
To remove the 5 point special torx box I used a small vice grip to break them loose then unscrewed them by hand. I also replaced them to 10mm bolts for better and fast access. I’ll be making a video showing the process.
This is a rough guide. Use it to give you an idea of the steps of the procedure. And make sure not to drop anything into the engine! Many holes and crevices where the spring can bounce into. So proceed with caution and take your time.
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[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Hey everyone, here is the links for the spring and other tools I used to get this done. Sorry for the late response, I had lost access to my channel and finally got it resolved. Hope this helps, hit that subscribe button to show support, stay safe! amzn.to/3DY3z4o amzn.to/3E0Za0D amzn.to/3UK93FW

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

The 5-star torx bit set I used amzn.to/3e1xvlF

[@Mr88Andrew88]

Thanks so much

[@wmi5914]

The spring isn’t available anymore. Is there another brand or link u recommend?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

@@wmi5914 working on a kit at the moment, but Amazon should have it back in stock in a few days

[@jamescaneda9515]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052I checked again and it’s still unavailable. ONE YEAR LATER

[@tamunodiepiriye5982]

One of the best videos I have watched on KZbin no plenty explanation straight to fixing the problem and practical application and fixing the issues

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

thanks!!

[@dmcosta]

I have this issue, and already saw a ton of videos about this. Yours is the most simple an straightforward fix. I'll try and source the sprint in europe (where I'm living). Thanks for the videos, I was scared to do the fix myself but this made me see it was not that complicated, also I'm due to change the valve gasket plus tune the valves, this way I can do all of that in an afternoon. Really appreciate it.

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

Hi. Since you have done this modification, you other issues came up? Thanks

[@abulqasimimbaya8342]

Hey @dmcosta, What happened since then? Did you do it? Did that fix the rattling sound?

[@docsamson2299]

Thanks for taking the time to post this! Definitely worth trying before getting into removing the cam and replacing the whole actuator! Crazy how many people this affects and kind of surprised there hasn't been a recall...

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

You’re welcome

[@freddymendez9637]

What kind of sprin is it or where can I buy it?

[@markstandley9486]

Happened to me replaced the Vtc actuator now getting p0341 code timing chain is now stretched

[@uenragedbro]

​@@markstandley9486 must've jumped a tooth at some point. Did you check timing after by rotating crankshaft 360° to tdc?

[@markstandley9486]

@@uenragedbro yeah done been timed many times all line up but the 2 in the middle. P0341 code is showing as well as traction control

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Hi, If anyone wants the compression spring email me an address I’ll send you one of the same springs I used, (They are limited like x12) with printed instructions of the procedure at no cost. Take care, AR Email: [e-mail]

[@Mugenetics]

Sent an email to you

[@paulferraro1891]

This worked for me. Had to shorten the spring 3 coils to get it installed. No more startup rattle. Brace the back plate of the VVT actuator with a large screw driver when removing the security bolts. Well done!

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

Hi. Where did you buy the new spring? Thanks

[@jDawg22s]

Where do you get the new spring?

[@saucysuishi341]

i also want to know

[@XyemBey]

Где купил пружину? Какой номер пружины?

[@Dorightby]

Did it fix it on first start up? Or second

[@LMX_27]

Did this fix 3 weeks ago and no more rattle since, thanks!

[@freddymendez9637]

Me puedes ayudar

[@evilways5387]

Did it rattle first start up...

[@LMX_27]

@@Daniel-xq7ny amazon, the spring was a bit longer than the one in my tsx but i cut it to the same length

[@LMX_27]

@@evilways5387 not since the fix, about 3 months ago

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

@@LMX_27 hi. do you have a link please?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Here’s the link to the spring, hope it solves your issues. amzn.to/3fn4vS8 And the set I used to remove the 5 point security bolts, it’s the T30 amzn.to/3wAxU1V Black silicon amzn.to/3uyu1JL Small vyse grips to remove security bolts(alt method) amzn.to/2Sx9Gal Valve cover gasket amzn.to/3uvDBgs Blessings, AR

[@j4m3zflem007]

Thank you very much

[@4forever4forward]

Will these parts fit my 2008 Honda Accord lx-p 2.4L?

[@ChenteNio]

My 2014 CRV replace VTC,chain, bolt, tensioner, etc. 2 years ago at dealer. There wasn’t any rattle before. Code comes up, dealer replace solenoid work for 6 months, then replace whole VTC package. However, 2 years later rattle sound comes up, and I follow your step replace spring, rattle sound just gone. Thank you for your video.

[@AmritBanks]

Just did this today on my 2012 CRV. Easy enough to do if you have the right tools (1.5hrs). It did not completely stop the rattle, but significantly reduced how loud it was. I just bought a variety pack of compression springs and found one that fit and was longer/stiffer. Maybe with a new oil change and some liqui-moly mos2 will stop it altogether. No check engine lights, still able to engage VTEC. I think if I buy the spring you suggested the noise may stop completely. Timing Chain looked fine and tight as well. Note: For the CRV, you need a 5 point T30 bit, not a 6 point like in Civics. I did not rotate the engine, I just kept note of where the spring was. Thank you!

[@jonasobletter]

I just did an oil change with liqui moly engine flush, and after i put a thicker 10w40 motor oil. Since then the rattle was gone like magic! Actually did‘nt even intend to try and fix this but it somehow did no idea how🤭 my car is 2002 civic type R with just over 100k miles

[@caseyalexander2244]

If the spring doesn't stop the rattle follow this order of operations: 1. Replace your timing chain tensioner - very easy and can save your engine. K-series need these basically every 100-150K miles. 2. Verify your timing chain is not stretched while you have the valve cover off to line up cylinder #1 top dead center. You'll be doing this when you replace the timing chain tensioner anyway. If the chain is stretched, when you have the white crank pulley mark lined up the arrow on the timing cover, the notches on the cam gears won't line up. If the chain is stretched, replace it along with the tensioner. 3. Open the VTC actuator back up and remove the locking pin. When you do this, your intake cam gear will move forward. Don't panic, later you can rotate the engine forward and line the detent for pin and bolts holes back up. Only rotate clockwise - ever. Test the locking pin, it should move in and out freely with no drag or hanging up. If it does not - work the pin over with emery cloth and/or fiber abrasive polishing attachments on a rotary tool. Get the pin nice and clean, and smooth until it goes in and out of the detent in the back cover smooth and easy. Add oil to the pin when doing this. 4. Last item to check / replace - the VTEC oil control valve. If it's open when you pull it out - replace it. It should be closed.

[@caseyalexander2244]

@@jonasobletter Eh, 10w-40? How does your engine run and VTEC engages with that heavy of oil?

[@jonasobletter]

@@caseyalexander2244 10w40 is one of the recommended viscositys by honda for my car so theres no issues and i have been running this oil grade for a while now too works perfect

[@gfriedman99]

@@caseyalexander2244 If the tensioner is causing the rattle wouldn't it happen every start? For me, it only happens first start in the morning.

[@tysonmirka7652]

Hello, so this is the correct repair for having start up rattle. However, while the recommended spring might work for some vehicles, I am guessing there are a couple of different designs and spring lengths, it did not work for mine. It stopped the rattle but keeps the timing locked. Luckily I kept my old spring.... Reuse your old spring! Just stretch it out, I ended up redoing this with that method and now everything works as it should with no start up rattle!

[@AmritBanks]

What vehicle did you attempt this on?

[@tysonmirka7652]

@@AmritBanks 2009 Acura TSX 2.4l

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

Hi. No other sounds or issues after that fix? Thanks

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Some models you might have to trim the spring a few coils as some mentioned in the comment section. You can use a wire cutter.

[@Dorightby]

Did you have to have the motor at top dead center?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Sorry I haven’t been able to get back to everyone, here’s the video on how to remove the Screws kzbin.infoOA0sGU0SNY4?feature=share

[@gfriedman99]

The bolts stripped out using the correct torx bit. I will try this method with the vice grip. Pray for me bro.

[@gfriedman99]

Dude, I can't tell you how much easier it was using your method with vice-grips. Thanks bro.

[@incognito8386]

I just replaced the entire actuator. I wish I knew about this fix before. And more importantly, I wish I knew where to buy just the spring.

[@danbarry3678]

Thank you for making this so easy to understand... A+ video.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

You're very welcome! Thanks

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Contact me at my email:([e-mail]) with the dot for personal inquiries. Thanks!!

[@erikbalm6135]

I've found the failure to be a broken pin that holds the actuator in the locked position. Replacing the cam gear with the updated part fixed the issue. Not to bad of a job. Quite technical though.

[@thechuckster40]

What is the updated part number?

[@caseyalexander2244]

Since your pin/plunger was broken, your rattle happened every single time you started the engine then, right?

[@acura1384ify]

Hey thanks for this video.. so the only problem for the grinding noise is that spring???? Looks like an easy job .. my acura tsx is doing the same ..i replace the timing chain by my self with simple tools not any experinece .. but i ddnt replace that vtc .. and now is doing the same ..at cold starts and few moments later wen it warms up.. .. so my cuestion is just to replace that spring sr?? Thanks.. hope you can answer me thanks

[@abugerito]

Hi, did you replace the spring? If so, did it fix it?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Thats what worked for me, replacing the spring.

[@stephant1908]

Gracias por el video, me ayudara a cambiar las bujías, solo me queda la duda de al usar torquimetro que presión llevan, al igual que hacer un lavado de válvulas

[@JosephPercel]

I doubt I could do this job. Are you all using the genuine Honda spring? I haven't seen any mention of the part's source. Any idea about how much this fix would cost at a good repair shop?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Hi Joseph, send me a email at [e-mail]

[@mohamedbarhdadi9737]

Will this work on a Honda Civic fn2 Europe model? it's a standard 4 cylinder K block engine too.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

I’m working on a official kit. Should be completed soon.

[@Arieldny]

Tengo un Honda Accord 2009 haciendo este ruido cuando está frío. Reemplazó el vtc haciendo este procedimiento arregla el el problema ? Gracias.

[@ExtremeRecluse]

The first thing you do if this occurs is check your oil level. I was 2 quarts low. Topped it off and fixed. How I lost 2 quarts of oil in only 4000 miles is another issue.

[@dodgers411]

Same here man maybe 15 miles i lost 2 quarts 2011 crv 105k miles no leaks from what i can tell

[@cordebailey123]

Any update on this issue ?

[@Jvstin]

@@dodgers411 not a mechanic but it has no leak it’s probably burning that oil

[@JayAR_YT]

@@Jvstin best to not think about it

[@Brons2]

The 2.4s will burn some oil when they get up in miles. I just topped off one that was 2.5 quarts low yesterday.

[@Fireblade96]

Just did this on my 08 accord 2.4L. I would recommend getting the car to top dead center the normal way instead of how you did it. I attempted to turn the sprocket with a 17mm and breaker bar but it would not budge. Instead I cranked the car over in increments of .5!seconds until I was at top dead center. I shortened the spring by 3 coils like others and the noise was still there as soon as I started the car up. I’m at a loss

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

After the first start you should be good to go

[@Fireblade96]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052 was not good to go. This spring “fix” caused the car to throw a p0341 code. The only thing that actually fixed the rattle was the replacement of the actual VTC

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Something must’ve went wrong because I just did it to another 2012 crv this week and all was good.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

And the car wasn’t in dead top, I rotated it with the 17 side wrench to remove the screws

[@Fireblade96]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052 maybe my VTC was too far gone. Idk but you’re already half way there with this quick fix might as well replace the whole unit. All I know is that I did not have a camshaft check engine code until after I put the replacement spring in. And the noise still existed. After replacing the VTC the noise is gone along with the check engine code

[@Chris-lz7sx]

So my 2014 rattles when in reverse as well is this part of the problem with the VTC?

[@takumiinthe86]

2010 crv rattles on cold start and continuously rattles when driving could it be the chain?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Hi, it could be the chain or chain tensioner, hopefully it isn’t the rod bearings caused by driving with low oil.

[@omaraquino8948]

Any recommendation or video for Honda Fit 2015 VTC Actuator noise?

[@freddymendez9637]

I have that same problem the spring where you bought it or what measure

[@bradfunkhouser]

Thanks for posting this video…I found it very helpful. I followed it step by step, but ran into a few problems. My bolts that held the actuator plate on had a rounded head, so I had to purchase the special TS27 5 point torx socket to remove them. While removing those 5 bolts, of course I stripped one. This lead me to buy M6 x 30mm bolts to replace them. I found the spring to be considerably longer than the OEM one, so I took 2 loops off like someone else mentioned in the comments. I had to turn the actuator much farther than what you rotated in the video…that part made me nervous. It now all back together, and I felt confident that i was good to go, but now I have a no start issue. Anything I should try before I tear it apart again?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Thanks and you’re welcome, you have no crank no start? Or crank with no start?

[@4forever4forward]

Mine broke free and grinded did yours?

[@jDawg22s]

Where did you get the spring from?

[@RollingRoadEFI]

@@4forever4forward Lol grinded

[@Mr88Andrew88]

Cmon, brad give us the update

[@docsamson2299]

Okay, I'm in the process of gathering parts/tools and have a few questions: 1. How do you get the VTC arrow pointing up if it is not doing so when you remove the valve cover? 2. Are the bolts holding the plate a T27 or standard pattern? 3. When you leave those two in place, is that just to keep the plate spring from pushing out, i.e. take them out "evenly", yes? Again, thanks for filming this! Just want to be sure I know what to expect once I get going!

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Hi, glad you like the video 1. At the 4:56 mark I give you an idea on how to rotate the engine. 2. The bolts are a security 5 point torx bit but I used a small vyse grip to take mines out before I put 10mm bolts for future repairs. 3. The 2 bolts are to keep the spring from flying out or into the engine. While you unscrew them hold the plate closed then slowly pull it off when the bolts are off.

[@WutAgain..]

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[@blancamunoz3151]

This is the same noise I have on my 2010 Honda Crosstour. Im gonna see if my brother can fix it. Thanks

[@mikeydread323]

I need this done on my 2012 Honda crv bro where in New York y'all located? I'm in Manhattan

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Email me, contact info on the description.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

[e-mail], I’m not in NY but I can possibly make it happen.

[@shintahadinata519]

how are you from Manhattan?

[@andresmichellegonzalez5677]

Have the same problem with my Honda Accord 09 coupe, and every mechanics asking for different prices, how much do you feel would be a fair price for this job? And if ur in the NY area please get back to me, would love to drive to you to get this problem fixed $$

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

You can communicate through [e-mail]

[@TheRealDanielMartin]

I have the same issue, what did he quote you for a job like this?

[@gfriedman99]

@@TheRealDanielMartin Probably around $300

[@bilaltahrawi8744]

Dear sir I have the same problem please let me know what should happen if I don’t get it fixed, can’t do it my self and I doubt there is Atalanta’s technician that can do it just like u did

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

if its truly the VTC then you should be fine if you can deal with the sound, I heard many people who just leave it as is for years. but i could be wrong.

[@gfriedman99]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052 I have heard both stories. Some people say they drive 10 years with the rattle noise and it drives fine. Others say it damages the chain and throws a P0341 code. If it were me I don't want to take the chance to wreck the engine over a $100 part so I would fix it right away. But everyone situation is different and what risk they like to take.

[@mohamedibnaouf]

good looks with the video, very straight forward

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Glad it helped, I’m here for any questions if anything.

[@Chris-lz7sx]

My 2014 CRV also rattles when I put it in reverse when backing from the driveway after I let the car warm up.

[@gfriedman99]

Check your tranny fluid

[@mpmagnussen]

I'm a lil late to the party but will this fix also alleviate the feeling Like vtec isn't kicking in and it's a slug? Either way mine is so loud at start up il doing this immediately. Great video

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Thanks, and it depends. I would clean the vtec screen filter that’s by the tensioner pulley. And the vtec oil solenoid. And do this fix. Best of luck, AR.

[@bya202118]

Hello. Do I really need to turn the camshaft or I can just open the actuator at any position and stretch/replace the spring?

[@AmritBanks]

You don't need to turn the camshaft, just take note of the direction of the faceplace. Turning it is just for easier access to the spring and reduces the likelihood you drop it.

[@bya202118]

@@AmritBanks great! Appreciate it. Thank you so much.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

No, I did that to have a better position to remove the bolts and not drop anything into the engine, but if doing this make sure your timing chain is not stretched or loose, because it can cause the chain to skip some teeth and you willl have to get engine back into timing. Good Luck

[@OlManChuck]

Would .028 for wire dia. Work?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

link pinned

[@josephroyer9532]

Just did this, it worked for 10 miles till the check engine light came on. Replacing the phaser sprocket this week.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

So then the vtc actuator wasn’t your problem

[@josephroyer9532]

It was the probably. Spring stopped the noise but through a check engine light.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

@@josephroyer9532 so it stopped the sound but now you have a check engine? Did you double check the hoses and connectors?

[@mariopic]

vtc strainer screen pluged

[@gfriedman99]

0W-20 oil thin as water. What could possibly go wrong?

[@THEIRONASSASSIN]

The diameter of the spring on my Rsx Type S is much bigger than the recommended size specs in this video... Would you happen to know the specs of the spring for an rsx vtc?

[@Prodmanny100]

Don’t know if I can get a response . But I recently bought a 2010 Honda Accord coupe . And it’s doing that sound ……. What I got from this video is that it’s a simple spring ……. I’m sure I can make this repair on my own but some people are saying a check engine light can maybe come up because the spring can be too strong and could mess things up . Is it safe to do this repair ?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

You could always get a lower rate spring but this worked for me. With no check engine or anything funny. Key is to make sure everything is put back in correctly. (Spring lined up and straight when putting everything back together

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Compression Spring size is 7/32 x .028 x 1 3/8

[@LMX_27]

Thanks for the vid, i have a question. Can i use any spring with these specs or it need to be made froma certain material. Thanks!

[@memmzald3378]

Really good video. Just to confirm, 7/32" outside diameter - 1-3/8" length and gauge 028

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

@@LMX_27 mine is of steel

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

@@memmzald3378 yes you can go with .027-028 I went with stiffer because it’s a part that softens with the heat and time

[@carljackson4028]

Is it ok to use the .028 gauge instead of the .025?

[@eliezerreyes8806]

Just ordered mine on Amazon cheap so dealer will have to change if you buy the part smart thinking

[@freddymendez9637]

Info

[@ramrod5972]

I’m having a rattle sound and all of my lights on the dash turn on. I have a 2013 Honda Accord LX I wonder if it’s this issue

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

I repaired a 2013 Honda Accord Sport like this but It didn’t have all the lights on, is the rattle only on start up or all the time?

[@michaelgbenga2624]

Answer the question?.

[@valerievalencia5655]

Can anybody tell me how many miles does this problem occur ? Is it Mileage or lack of oil change ?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Usually high mileage, but also from low oil.

[@StagArmslower]

my 2014 CRV has 67000 miles and it started doing it at 61000. My milage is great, I'm getting 38 miles/gal on longer trips

[@johnlima2740]

Is it the same procedure for the Honda fit 2016

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Not sure, will update Soon

[@jamescaneda9515]

Looks promising, but will it work on my 2014 CR-V?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Worked on a 2012 CRV

[@chefkhouzam]

Thank you for this great and wonderful video. My question is, how do you know it is not the Vtc valve or the strainer that are causing the rattle, if it is the same P10009 code.? Thank you again.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

With that code I’ll check the timing Chain tensioner first, remove the valve cover and check for slack on the chain.

[@caseyalexander2244]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052 actually, you would never see slack in the chain, the tensioner takes up the slack, but the tensioner can be going bad and you'd never see anything different in the chain.

[@mariopic]

one thing tho if u pull the bolts put the center thst the chain rides on sinks a bit wont tbis cause binding iv taked few other vtc gears fro. toyota and subaru and needed to make an alighment tool so it dont bind when u upen them

[@Freekyleek]

Is it better to change the whole actuator or just the springs?

[@Freekyleek]

Dealing with the same problems

[@eliezerreyes8806]

Whole actuator I heard I got the same problem

[@gfriedman99]

The whole actuator is better. Get either a Dorman or Gates as they come with a lifetime warranty. You can just try the spring first but it doesn't always work so to me it's just a waste of time unless you can't afford $100 for the actuator.

[@jDawg22s]

Where do you get the spring from

[@THEIRONASSASSIN]

Does this work on a k20a2? 03 acura rsx type s

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Yes should work

[@bensnyder556]

Question, is this only for the crv actuator? I’m having the exact same issue and want to know if this fix will work for my 2014 accord coupe EX-L because I was about ready to go in and replace it all myself cause the repair was $$$ but this could genuinely save me so much. I believe this should be something covered under warranty or recall because I’ve heard so many come across it but if this fix will work for it ( my accord) I know a few others I could pass this along to that it would help tremendously

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

It’s for most of the accords, crvs, 4 cylinders

[@xylum.]

If you don't mind me asking what part exactly on the repair caused the rattling to stop? just curious not trying to sound condescending. :)

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

A small spring

[@ajramos6796]

Where do you get the new compression spring?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Pinned links

[@Drywall-Troupers]

Is this rattle gonna cause some damage to the engine, if been ignored for a very long time???

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

I’ve heard people saying it’ll stretch the timing chain but I’m not too sure about that, there’s people that live with this sound for years.

[@docsamson2299]

Our CR-V has been doing this for years! Thought it was just a loose heat shield for the longest time but will be attempting (!) to fix it this summer and will also be submitting my next oil change for analysis to determine if it has caused any issues...

[@j8thgen479]

@@docsamson2299 any update ?

[@docsamson2299]

@@j8thgen479 Unfortunately, no...

[@jaymoreno8431]

@@docsamson2299 what do you mean by sending your next oil change for analysis?

[@valentinodean4955]

Please someone reply back before I do unnecessary labor....... I've seen other videos where they took the hole actuator off and had to loosen the timing. Question I don't have to go through all of that?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Hi, if you want to replace the actuator you will need to loosen and remove the timing chain for the cam gears and hold timing, if you want to try the repair in the video you will not be touching the timing

[@valentinodean4955]

Thanks for the reply will it stop the cold start rattle because I have a 2011 honda Accord coupe.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

@@valentinodean4955 if it’s the actuator yes

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

Hi. As anyone opened the front cover of their VTC Actuator and stretched the lock pin spring in it? If so, did it work out fine? Can it damage anything over time? Thanks

[@AmritBanks]

Nope, should be fine.

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

You have done many this way?

[@AmritBanks]

@@Daniel-xq7ny Not many but stretching the spring does not increase its uncompressed force significantly so there's little to no risk. It may not even fix your issues because the spring returns to its original shape with heat. The biggest risk is dropping something into the engine while the valve cover is off. TBH you could either live with the rattle, try this fix, or replace the VTC altogether. Depending on your mileage and service history, you may have luck using an engine flush additive and fresh oil change. The VTC has tight tolerances so any gunk/debris can reduce oil flow and/or ability return to the locked position. YMMV

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

@@AmritBanks Asking because on my 2010 CR-V I did stretch it a little than and no more rattle on cold start. But a little tapping noise started until hot and it was the chain tensioner. Was is just coincidence?

[@AmritBanks]

@@Daniel-xq7ny Probably, its a 12 year old vehicle so these parts start to wear out over time.

[@4forever4forward]

I couldn’t replace my spring because I couldn’t find a 5 point star bit. But now my car cranks but doesn’t turn over after putting it back together

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Use a small vise grip to grab and break loose the bolts and replace them with 10mm, will make a video soon

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Did you figure out why it didn’t start? Maybe left something disconnected.

[@4forever4forward]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052 yea I jumped the timing chain. It was already loose and I just finished the job😂

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

@@4forever4forward sheesh, so your problem was the timing chain tensioner, or a stretch timing chain? Did you get it repaired?

[@4forever4forward]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052 lol yea the timing chain was stretched. Yea I had a mobile mechanic come over amd do the repairs came out to 1600 which isn’t to bad I was happy with the work

[@Shreddinstan]

Mine needs to be fixed but now i know what it is!

[@jeovannymorales9417]

Como se llama esa pieza tengo un fit 2015 se la quiero cambiar me ayudas

[@4forever4forward]

MAKE SURE YOU ORDER A 5 POINT STAR BIT WITH UR GASKET AND OTHER PARTS. I took everything apart on my 08 accord and realize I didn’t have the special 5 point bit and YOU CANT BUY THEM AT AUTO PART STORES

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Made a video

[@bigE35094]

How did you tale it aparte of you dont have the corrector 5 p0int(star bit)..

[@gfriedman99]

@@bigE35094 NAPA sells the 5 star bit

[@gfriedman99]

@@bigE35094 vice grip

[@ethansepulveda5364]

What is the part called and where can i get it

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

will be putting a link up soon

[@chefkhouzam]

Thank you for this great video.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

You’re welcome

[@amber_504]

Do you know where I can go to look up the correct size compression spring that is in my Accord?

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

Hi. Many just use the actual spring in place. They stretch it up a bit and put it back. Let me know how yours went. Thanks

[@e11evenMinistries]

Hey I have a couple quick questions: Is this the 1st car you did this on? Has the rattle returned after you have done this fix? If the new spring is too strong won't it prevent the actuator from unlocking because the oil pressure can't overcome it? Any idea on where we can source a spring? Thanks!

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Hi, I’ve repaired a couple of cars and all good still, 2 of mines, 2013 Accord and 2012 CRV

[@tyson5756]

I did this repair with the recommended spring on my 09 TSX. The replacement spring was a good deal longer than the one that was in mine. While it did fix the rattle, I believe 11:11 Ministries is correct with his question regarding the actuator staying locked. I am getting a p0011 code for vtc problems and worse mpg's. So it seems the valves are stuck in the more aggressive/sporty timing. I am going to check the solenoid/ clean the screen and will update after that.

[@e11evenMinistries]

@@tyson5756 thanks, I'll be waiting on the update

[@shehanrana2009]

@@tyson5756 have you checked the solenoid?

[@tyson5756]

So I ended up replacing the solenoid. However, I am still getting vtc codes, check engine is on immediately and vsa comes on after 20 minutes or driving, I don't understand lol. I am getting phenomenal MPGs and a little less power on the low end, but barely noticeable. Also, the engine sounds more aggressive, but not bothersome. I saw someone shortened the spring, maybe that would help. All in all, I prefer my current state over the start up rattle.. the lights are annoying though ha ha

[@hughwahl7189]

where do you get the spring from?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Hi, I’m Working on the kit, should be available very soon.

[@TheReapersSon]

Did you retrieve that screw that went flying into the engine bay at 8:27?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Yes with a magnet

[@josephroyer9532]

Is the phaser sprocket use security torx bit to remove bolts or is it an Alan bit with a hole in the middle?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Yes security torx

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

I’ll find the size for you

[@docsamson2299]

@@mikemahler8894 Wondering if you have attempted yet? Want to try myself but hate getting into a job and realizing I don't have the right tools! And that part of the vid confused me as well. I figure he meant to leave those two until the others are out and then back them out evenly???

[@Lolamento214]

Donde puedo conseguir el Spring si me puedes ayudar por favor gracias

[@javyh224dr]

Where did you buy the spring?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Pinned comment

[@gustavovelez1692]

Hi, hey where did you buy the spring?

[@docsamson2299]

So... got the valve cover off and... promptly stripped the head of the first 5 point star bolt I tried... 🤦‍♂️ Gotta love how the manufacturer makes things as difficult as possible for the DIY'er. Did not try to do any more because, 9 times out of 10, it just goes downhill from there. So, our CR-V now has a new valve cover gasket and spark plug seals and... the same rattle on start up. Gonna just let it be as it's been doing it for 6 years now and is still running just fine otherwise.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Sorry to hear that, I will make a video on how to remove the bolts without any special tools soon.

[@evilways5387]

I used vice grips...and got new 10mm bolts

[@docsamson2299]

@@evilways5387 That's great! I've always ended up with rounded bolt heads and, given the location, didn't want to take that chance.

[@jrchelo75]

What size were the new bolts you bought?if you remember please.

[@gfriedman99]

@@jrchelo75 30x6

[@EE-vh1gc]

Question is where do you buy the spring

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Pinned comment

[@traileralarms]

Did you find a part number for the spring?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

I only have the size because I had to go searching for the right one. I bought the last ones from the place yesterday. I’m going to put together a kit for those interested.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Size is 7/32 x .028 x 1 3/8

[@mattlapointe5814]

Link for the spring?

[@spring-start]

Spring-Start VTC Honda has them

[@jrchelo75]

What bolt size do I need to replace the torx bolts?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

I'll confirm the size this week

[@gfriedman99]

6x30

[@mariopic]

was wondering do i need to lock the timing chain tentioner

[@gfriedman99]

No

[@carljackson4028]

what's the .025 stand for

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Thickness of the wire used for the spring

[@honda123456g]

Where do you get stiffer springs for the z7 motor ?

[@warthunderpro6791]

i would also like to know this

[@waynermorris]

Thanks for this

[@MasterBone33]

I have a 2014 accord ex with a 4cyl and manual transmission. This rattle only happens after a cold start when I am using brakes or down shifting but doesn't happen after the engine has warmed to operating temperature

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Good chance this could be your problem

[@smarlingvillilo5654]

What about civic si 8th gen?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Not sure, if it has the actuator and you already checked the timing chain and tensioner it could be

[@caseyalexander2244]

I'm about to do this soon with the @spring-start kit. Does anyone know what the official torque spec for the cover bolts are?

[@caseyalexander2244]

Update: replace the security bolts with regular hex head bolts. If you use the ones marked 10.9 on the head, torque them down to 10 ft. lbs / 120 in. lbs and use blue threadlocker - the kind made to work on oily parts. If you use another grade of bolt, marked 8.8 for example, the torque spec will be less. You need to look up the maximum torque value for the hardware you select. The important thing is that the bolts ARE torqued to near maximum spec. These are NOT bolts you want coming undone while the engine is running!!!

[@mksckumara]

Did the rattle fix with the spring-start kit?

[@caseyalexander2244]

​@@mksckumara It improved, but did not fully resolve in my case. I also worked the locking pin over with some abrasives and replaced the timing chain tensioner.

[@dablackcarpi]

Hi there!! Do you have a repair shop, I have the same issue on my 2008 accord where in NY are you located?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Hi, I’m in NYC, Woodlawn area, unfortunately I don’t have a shop yet but this should definitely fix your problem on the 08 accord.

[@dablackcarpi]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052 hey thanks for reply!! I was wondering if you could do my car as well !! I'm on brooklyn buswick area.??

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

@@dablackcarpi no prob, there’s a possibility that we can make something happen

[@dablackcarpi]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052 yes!! Just let me know how?? I want to fix this ASAP..🙌how to contact you..email or something?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Email me brother

[@hommy91340]

So you didn’t have to replace the whole actuator? Just the spring??

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Just spring as seen on video

[@hommy91340]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052 cool! Thank you! 👍🏾

[@desipranksterz7909]

Great video 👍

[@eliezerreyes8806]

It’s under recall some cars only see your local Honda dealer ask about the vtec actuator recall they try to say that your cars actuator is ok but it’s a lie they mess up after 10 yrs of usage

[@Integrityautospa]

Since you rotated the cam do you have to rotate it back since it was already in time when the valve cover was pulled?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

No, as long as the chain never gets loose or removed.

[@Zeforialei]

How long did it take you ?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

A few good hours

[@markmitchezee2728]

Appreciate the Video ! Incredibly helpful but it would be INCREDIBLY helpful if you included just a few words as you went along. - ( for example ) It would be very helpful when you showed us the tools required if you simply gave a quick description. Plus a basic commentary & a few tips as you went along. Not criticism just trying to be helpful & get you more subscribers.

[@Mr88Andrew88]

Yer a nub if you don’t know what these tools are

[@ExtremeRecluse]

On my 2013 CRV, it does the loud morning rattle and then it continues throughout the day upon any acceleration.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Sounds like no oil

[@vovaya]

I know it is late answer, but in my case chain was replaced to mitigate acceleration rattle.

[@gfriedman99]

@@vovaya Did they do the VTC actuator also or just the chain?

[@vovaya]

@@gfriedman99 hello, I will try to find service records. but I am afraid they only fixed chain :( It starts rattle again after two years but only during cold. What I noticed, first - i disabled econ mode, second - I am keeping starter in on just a lit a bit longer. This helps with rattle on cold winter start.

[@nikitaglushkov7591]

Was going to replace actuator but the bolt was so tight, it got sharpened round pretty much as i tried tobreak it loose and couldnt. Will try to do this tomorrow using the spring of the new actuator thats now useless unless I replace the whole cam shaft. Hope it works. If anyone is interested in how it went some time down the line, feel free to reply to my comment.

[@rjc81698]

Hey man ever get it done? Hows the result if so

[@nikitaglushkov7591]

@@rjc81698 neighbor was helping me and fucked up the vtc actuator bolt by using instead of 6 edged socket, a 12 edged one. Now the bolt is pretty round and even 6 edged can't help. But get a long breaker bar, maybe a pipe to get even more leverage. The bolt is tough

[@nikitaglushkov7591]

I went to the store to see if they got heat coils, that's when neighbor attempted to use 12 edged socket by himself

[@gfriedman99]

@@nikitaglushkov7591 That's why I like to live in the woods

[@kevindesimone3626]

Same issue on my 13 SI

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Wow, I thought it only effected the crv and accords, but the civics, wow!

[@JerryGsr]

Will this fix work on the k20z3 .

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Not sure

[@donaldhunt1754]

Does the bolts on the phaser have to be torqued?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

No torques as this is a fix for the part, originally you would just change the whole part. I usually just tight by hand then lightly with the ratchet, then evenly until they are all snugged plus 1/4 turn.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Hey KZbin, my cousins dog got sick and she’s in a tuff spot. Anything helps, Thank you! And stay blessed. gofund.me/c43c6c8b

[@Storked]

Hey man my car make this sound but it doesn't go away, I've set all valves to spec and it has gotten a little better but still rattling like that. Any idea's? Hope your cousin's pup is alright!

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

@@Storked Hi @William, other things to check are the timing chain tensioner and it’s components.

[@castilloabraham90]

Would this be similar to the 6 cyl Accord? Thanks for the reply.

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

Not sure, so far works on the 4cylinder, I’ll let you know soon

[@vikingexpress2632]

Its a K24 issue

[@alexortez16]

Que cambiaste?

[@armechanicshelpandrepair2052]

el resorte de compresión

[@armandofelix922]

@@armechanicshelpandrepair2052 you changed the Springs for stronger Springs OR larger OR the same spec... My question which is the trick