2013 Ford F150 5.0L P2196 - P2198 Oxygen Sensor Stuck Rich - Been to other shops and Now Me

[@FordBossMe]

We ended up settling on four hours labor, after talking to the management team that seemed more fair and parts. I called the customer and he was also good with it..... just happy he will get his truck back and hopefully a lifetime customer

[@bobimbordino3024]

I’m an lifetime customer of you & hopefully an lifetime friend of you. Love you brother. Hopefully you enjoy your new home & I’m more than happy to help you move. I don’t care if I’m driving an wheelchair with my tongue, I want to help you. God bless you

[@psinclairjr]

It's very professionally and personally satisfying when your THE GUY who fixes it

[@showmerepair]

I fought a 2014 F150 bank 2 stuck rich. Can’t remember the code. You get stuck in your head that the O2 sensor is telling you the truth. Come to find out it’s just a bad sensor. I’ve learned over the years to start swapping sensors on V engines when I can. Feels good to figure it out. Great job!!

[@f2cmadmaxx]

That's an incredibly fair deal, very generous in my opinion, and always more complicated finding someone else's fix attempts, very nice work! - Just 800 more miles than my 2012 :D

[@jakster1952]

You handled it like the Boss you are, well done brother.

[@jonathansherwood5841]

Nice work! Just because the part is new, it doesn't always mean it's good. This is the kind of stuff that makes you second guess yourself. Bet you've earned a happy customer for life, though! [Warning: story time] I had an F-350 that was running rough a couple of weeks ago. The spark plugs and three coils were already replaced. I could clearly hear a massive intake leak, sprayed some carb cleaner around one side of the intake and the engine rpm went up immediately. History showed it has been in the shop four times for running rough over eight months. The spark plugs on the first visit and one of the coils at each subsequent visit. After the spark plugs replacement, the coil replacements fixed the misfire issue every time (according to history). Figured the coils were going out one by one, and since the truck is going to be in the fleet for (at least) another three years, it would be best to be proactive. Replaced the intake gaskets and the rest of the coils later (among many other repairs and maintenance items), and it was running just as bad as when it came in. What the heck?! Did I diagnose this wrong?! Or did I forget to plug something back in? Poor install perhaps? Rechecked my work and I didn't find anything obvious with what I had just done. Even performed an injector leak-down test, no fault was found there. Came back in the next day and decided to pull all eight of the new, two-piece spark plugs (eight months old, remember?). Found one had a damaged lower shell electrode (like it was dropped and someone tried to bend it back into shape) and another was missing the lower shell's electrode altogether! Clean breaks at both of the outer electrode welds! I replaced all eight spark plugs, cleared codes, reset KAM, etc. Two OBD II drive cycles later, the P1000 code cleared and she's a runner now!

[@johnphillips222]

I am the backup guy for P2196 and P2198. For OBDII testing and validation we use an oxygen sensor simulator box that interferes with the HO2S voltages, so we can test every possible failure for the sensors and catalysts. Without that simulator our lives would be terrible. Diagnosing P2196 and 8 can be tricky. We make sure that the P0420 and P0430 codes are for real. The cats are poisoned, overheated, or tampered with. I would hate to set a P0420 as a false fail Type 1 error. Keep up the good work. I learn good stuff from you.

[@FordBossMe]

Thank you very much I appreciate that

[@craigroberson8757]

Good man!!! She's got some horses that ain't been run for a while. No more lawn art. Lol Nice job man. Knowing what questions ask and what not ask. Being thrown into the deep end and knowing how to swim makes all the difference. Having to try and figure what everyone one else had done slow the roll.

[@lakerdigital]

This is the kind of mechanic I want. Subscribed and liked.

[@David-j4v3u]

What a coincidence. My '07 Grand Marquis with only 49k just threw the 2196/98 stuck rich code. Previously it was parked for the winter so no real use since November. With this code it seems there are so many possibilities I wasn't sure where to start. No obvious vacuum leaks and a brand new air filter. What's really funny is my work truck is a '13 F150 5.0 :D. And it sounds like you have that thing running great- sounds like mine and it only has 17k miles ;)

[@wesleysmith6651]

i thank you for all your vidios i have learned alot from them

[@tylerm6382]

I came across this exact problem today on the same vehicle. Great video

[@cliffordgallagher4531]

Thanks Rich! For sharing the data!

[@2491kridge]

Very frustrating trying to find a problem when someone else has already wung a bunch of parts at it, you keep convincing yourself “well it can’t be such and such because that’s brand new”, I think that’s a fair deal you gave him.

[@bradscherer8896]

Been struggling with this exact same issue in my 2013 Mustang GT same diagnosis you've been doing what could it be no way both my widebands tank at the same time did everything you did to had me at possibly ambient temp sensor or mass air good show helped out a lot gave me what I needed to get her lined out appreciate it.

[@FordBossMe]

Beautiful

[@julioscapricornone4034]

No need to go watch any other video. You said it all on this one for this problem. Thanks. I just hit the 300 likes button.

[@johndenver9368]

The difference between throwing parts at an issue and actual diagnoses.

[@troublemakingpups5787]

You did an amazing job!! #1🙂🐶🐕

[@FordBossMe]

Tyvm

[@highwayman1218]

👍 MAF. That was my 1st guess on the live stream cast. I know you mentioned he swapped it out, when I threw it out. Especially the guys with oil coated air filters like K&N those guys always oil the hell outta the filters.

[@FordBossMe]

I can't go off every single thing that somebody suggests man I just have to come to the conclusion by trial and error and going through it all the maf readings were looking good

[@highwayman1218]

@@FordBossMe Right on, you do good work brotha! 👍

[@Mikey-wf9py]

4:40 I'm an not worthy lol...... Master technician at work... Coyote 🐺🐺 sounding beautiful again!!!

[@jonathangaska2282]

I got this issue as well and can’t figure it out. Racking my brain. Running very rich (-25) stft and my maf is reading fine (4-6) and going up and down with acceleration. Were your maf reading okay as well and it just was one of those things? Oh and my o2 upstream are reading like -1.1 at idle and barely getting positive when driving. I’m stumped! Thank you!

[@bdo9114]

Nice job I am sure you did not get any sleep last night was driving you nuts! Good job.

[@jasonchouinard8082]

Here from Rainman Ray's channel. Kwallllitee.

[@Jay388]

That's why you're the Boss ! 😎👍👍💪💪👌🤙

[@robertpirisky8678]

Very righteous, keep up the awesome work

[@AARSB1]

I changed the mass air flow and it worked for a week and now it’s back to the same code. New o2 sensor new plugs new mass airflow new pcv valve

[@FordBossMe]

Make sure you got a Ford mass air flow

[@Dowhatyoucandonow]

Tell then the its not fixable without putting in a new engine,offer to buy it off them cheap, then resell for twice as much as you paid next week

[@skybaker770]

I just replaced my MAS and I'm running into the same problem. Hopefully I don't have to but another one...Didn't fix the problem I was trying to fix just gave me the same problem this one had.

[@MegaTapdog]

purge valve maybe?

[@lchavarin]

Great diagnosis!

[@INVERTEDBUKAKI]

you're the man 👍

[@timkis64]

nice job man, good detective work.

[@randallhaugen3219]

Good job Ford Boss.

[@johanarias1940]

Lets goo !!!

[@MinisterRedPill]

I replaced both of my o2 sensors last week on my 2012 f150 because the codes were running lean and showing issues for them. My engine wouldnt stay on either, even after replacing the sensors. Took it to a shop and they said there was a leaf stuck in the MAF. Sounded strange but i had no issues after that although my gas gaugue would stop right beneath Full. Well, now im getting codes for running to rich! And my o2 sensors are showing up again. It cant be those since i just replaced them last week. Any ideas!?

[@bartscave]

Do you think unplugging the MAF would have made it run better for diagnostics purposes?

[@FordBossMe]

I tried that it didn't work barely made a difference

[@leroygreen1877]

They changed the CPK without mis fire codes? Parts changing shops???

[@js2music231]

Hi. I have a 2012 Buick regal 2.4l that runs perfectly. The power is there and the car drives smoothly. But I keep getting a p2271 code o2 sensor stuck rich. I believe I did everything I can to fix the code but nothing works. I changed both o2 with OEM twice. Spark plus I even changed the high pressure regulator 3 times. I did a smoke test to check for vacuum leak that pass and check for exhaust leaks and that pass. Fuel pressure test passs. Wire test at the harness pass. No short. I’m lost can you please help if you know anything else I should do. Thank you

[@FordBossMe]

Could have a leaky injector

[@js2music231]

@@FordBossMe I found out the issue. I was using the wrong o2 sensor and the high pressure regulator was faulty

[@nmotionproductions29]

I thought the 5.0l was Speed Density?

[@VIheavyequipment]

last question lol have you ever come across a 2013 f-150 3.7 that misses at idle but only in park dealer says they can feel it but everythng checks out okay good fuel pressure, they smoked the intake, changed spark plugs and ive replaced the purge valve befre thia because it was dieing after fueling it fixed that

[@FordBossMe]

Ignition coil or could be a slight valve issue

[@googleuser2668]

Should I let the engine cool b4 changing the hoses

[@FordBossMe]

Yes

[@rockygarcia1725]

I have a 2016 F-150 5.0 and my check engine light came. I hooked it up and the results are my exhaust oxygen gas sensor 1 & 2 and says it’s running rich. It also says to replace bank 2 Cat. I had both cat’s replaced 6 months ago with after market cats. Then the dealership replaced the computer, plugs and coils 6 months ago.  any feedback much appreciated. I’m at a loss. What to do next. Truck has 117,000 miles on it.

[@FordBossMe]

You need to have this diagnosed properly chances are the exhaust being bad again and it's not what's wrong more than likely can be some kind of intake manifold leak or vacuum leak or some kind of mass airflow sensor issue or something like that but then again at the same time I don't think a 2016 has a masterful sensor so I don't know speculation you have to have it properly diagnosed I don't know what else to tell you right now

[@myprivatewar]

what if it's a '17 5.0 with no maf sensor ?

[@edwardward5056]

I have a 05 Town car. Ides bad in gear. In neutral idles find. What wrong?

[@FordBossMe]

Those had a lot of throttle body issues

[@FordBossMe]

And make sure you have no vacuum leak

[@edwardward5056]

Thanks

[@guylong5935]

Running rich could dilute the engine oil. Did you check or change the engine oil?

[@FordBossMe]

oil seems fine

[@chrisreyes2799cr]

If the engine oil is fuel fouled you will still see rich trims. Its good based on the video

[@dennisdowning3851]

What spark plugs are you using here? I have 2014 5.0 I understand Ford isn't using Iridium anymore. Getting ready to replace mine. What should I be using? Thanks, great find!

[@FordBossMe]

I think it's SP 580 is iridium and sp548 is Platinum I think

[@jakecoker794]

My truck is throwing both these codes. Swapped out bank 2 sensor 1 and the engine light stayed off for 2 days then come back on. About a month ago put on a cold air intake could that be causing these codes?

[@FordBossMe]

Could yes

[@lakeshoreelectric]

what were the symptoms of this problem? Did it throw a check engine light? Im chasing a idle misfire on my 2011 5.0 and it seems sluggish, I put new plugs in it but same issue. no engine light either....

[@FordBossMe]

I covered that in the video what the codes were and it's literally in the description Running super rich feels like it won't get out of its own way p2196 + 2198 oxygen sensor stuck rich

[@rafaelrodriguez3437]

hi Boss man, to fix a codes p0442 and p0138 do need to take it to a shop or is something that I can fix myself. Is a Ford Explorer Sport 2017, does have only 55000 miles, Thank you.

[@FordBossMe]

Hey man I don't remember all of the codes that are present for a computer and I typically don't take the codes that people send me here and go look them up because my time is very critical so if you could tell me what those codes mean that would help I don't have like an encyclopedia of what's built up in my head on every code that pops up on vehicles

[@rafaelrodriguez3437]

@@FordBossMe Sorry man my bad the p0138 say 02 Sensor Circuit High Voltage ( Bank I Sensor 2) (p0138) and the other code it says Evaporative Emission System Leak (small Leak) (p0442). I just wonder if it's something that I can fix myself to save money not taking it to a dealer. Sorry again, and appreciated you help. have a good day.

[@mathuelee2686]

I would like to know why they changed the maf sensor what was the original problem I must have mist it last night in the live stream

[@FordBossMe]

I can't give you all of the answers because as I stated in the video it's been to multiple shops so yeah there's some kind of frustration going on, the owner of the vehicle he just wants his vehicle back who knows why they did what they did I don't know but it's fixed.

[@mathuelee2686]

@@FordBossMe still an awesome job though I wish I lived in your state I would take my truck any day to you

[@glennburns3671]

Great video! i have a 2013 f150 5.0 94k miles.. i recently noticed extra long time for cold starts. if i turn the key to on for a couple seconds it starts normal. check engine light came on now with a po175/p0455/p1450/p2196/p2198... all this came at once, does this sound like a leaking injector? Where should i go from here?

[@FordBossMe]

Seeing as you have a p0455 and p2196 I bet the purge valve is stuck open - look in my other videos for a f150 purge valve and I think you'll find your fix

[@FordBossMe]

This is an explorer but same concept kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKann3mflJlglcU

[@glennburns3671]

@Ford Boss Me brother. You are the BOSS! I will look at it in the am... thanks for the direction... had no clue where to start.

[@mmezameza1891]

Where are you located, I’m having the same issues… p2196 & p2198 But I’m also having p2270 & p2272

[@FordBossMe]

Dundee Illinois at Dundee Ford

[@m3vt2seffn]

I watch a lot of repair videos on KZbin it's like what Scotty says if you get anything made from Taiwan and you install it yet it's going to drive crappy but if you take the Ford Park and you clean it up and you put it back in there it's going to run real good why that is I have no idea anything from Taiwan is crap I don't think the computer is recognize it like you said it has the same part number but it's make crappy

[@FordBossMe]

Who is Scotty?

[@m3vt2seffn]

@@FordBossMe Scotty is a mechanic on KZbin he's been a mechanic for like 55 years I also used to watch this other guy his KZbin channel was caught four Loko all he ever worked was on Ford trucks like you I don't think he makes any more videos I thank God you made the video now I watch you cuz I own an F-150 2007 4.6 l engine

[@FordBossMe]

@@m3vt2seffn I was being more of a smart-aleck than anything I apologize I was being smart I know who Scotty is I just don't really care for him Anything you need with your Ford vehicle let me know I got information literally database right on my phone I got it at work anything you need for the 4.6 L I drive a vehicle that has the 4.6 liter in it every single day so I'm of assistance Again I apologize for being a smart butt I just don't really care for Scotty too much

[@m3vt2seffn]

@@FordBossMe I know a lot of people don't care for Scotty but thank you for your wealth of knowledge do you have a video on how to change the bottom ball joints

[@712gln]

fair is to get paid for the time you got into it

[@rickynewton72]

What about purge valve?

[@samdavis9763]

What was the original problem that caused him to change the mass air in the first place?

[@mathuelee2686]

Check my question above he answered it there

[@mathuelee2686]

He actually answered it below in my question witch was the same one

[@Luui2x]

i replace injector and spark plugs and now im getting o2 sensor codes but before it ws injectors now is sensor so u think it brokle my sensor?

[@FordBossMe]

Idk what you did, go back over and check all connections

[@Luui2x]

@@FordBossMe I checked everything and everything seemed correct I’m getting P2196 & P2298 - 02 sensor stuck/rich code but I haven’t nothing but put new injector and spark plugs

[@milogan5]

Did this truck have the 5.0 or the coyote? Either way that was a healthy growl when it was asked for.

[@FordBossMe]

5.0 Coyote same engine and yes this truck had that engine

[@milogan5]

@@FordBossMe I did not know that. I grew up when the 5.0 was the same as 302 v8.

[@bw6078]

LMAO...you feel on top of the world when you fix a vehicle like that eh? If I'm understanding you it doesn't sound like you got the whole story from the beginning. You put the old MAF sensor in and it started to run better? Why didn't it run well with the new sensor in? Obviously it was defective but there must have been more to the story from the get go? Thanks for sharing.

[@FordBossMe]

I don't know you can think of things as you want it almost seems as if you're trying to poke a little bit at me and I don't really like it but I'm just going to let bygones be bygones Yeah of course you feel like you're on top of the world every vehicle that you fix that is a problem child

[@bw6078]

@@FordBossMe I'm not poking fun at anyone, I've always been respectful here in this forum. Is there something wrong with feeling great when you are able to repair a what appears to be large problem? I could see the smile on your face during your road test. I've been there and have felt a good sense of accomplishment. I was merely stating that. Even at the end I usually thank you for sharing. I'm always respectful and thankful of your sharing.

[@jerryhatrick5860]

I couldn't key in on the chat.. But here's a weird thing. Vehicles speak to me. Had I been able.to say something. I WANTED to say check that MAF. . But I don't even have a car cash app bank account nothing.. But also I've seen that before. Like my mentor at my short time at Ford told me. I'm gifted with gut feeling, never second guess myself.

[@jerryhatrick5860]

So stoked You got it straightened..

[@FordBossMe]

The issue is the math was not reading incorrectly it was reading just about right what it was supposed to be so there was nothing indicating the mass airflow was bad

[@FordBossMe]

It just had to be something I came across

[@brandonharris305]

Would this cause 1 cylinder to keep saying it's misfiring

[@FordBossMe]

Possibly but I doubt it

[@FordBossMe]

I'd have to know what vehicle it's in

[@bartscave]

Isn’t the 49% alcohol measurement still an issue?

[@FordBossMe]

As I stated in the video you have to keep driving it and It went lower and went all the way down to 24% and it's probably going to keep going lower

[@bartscave]

@@FordBossMe I just found the first video. What a tough one!

[@kunfreefriedchickenATK]

Can you do a video on the oil pan issues the 2013 f150 have…………I have a 2wd 5.0 model

[@FordBossMe]

Ive not really had any oil pan issues

[@kengreer3302]

Sensores lying make techs lives miserable

[@aidenmonkeynat6024]

How was bad mass air reading on grams?

[@FordBossMe]

5.0ish

[@FordBossMe]

New one went to 4.2 ish

[@fordtechlife]

👍💯🇺🇲🔧🚗🙏🔥

[@popcornzbd]

What a mess. Other people's work. The parts they put on. Do you trust their work? Do you trust the parts? New parts can be bad parts ...even OEM. And really bad fuel on top of it. What a mess. It was like watching a good suspense movie.