2014 Golf 7 GTD vs. Golf 7 2.0 TDI - 0-224 km/h acceleration (1080p)

[@philrogers4535]

A DSG gearbox is always going to be faster acceleration vs a manual with equal power for 2 reasons. Firstly, a DSG up-shifts in 0.08 sec, compared to whatever you can do manually (depends how good you are). 0.75 sec normally if You're good, 0.25 if You're very good. Secondly, a DSG will keep the turbo spinning between shifts by not dropping the revs - thus giving more immediate power/torque after shifting up. It's an almost constant power delivery.

[@bananajoe123]

DSG vs manual? Not very fair. DSG will always be faster!

[@mastac5758]

bananajoe123 No. The slower car is dsg as u can see

[@sila.yolcusu]

Why not fair? The old 320Nm engine with DSG has a short gear ratio like the GTD. This was changed with the 340Nm engine. The 320Nm engine with manual gearbox and the 340Nm with DSG have a very long gear ratio! THAT'S would not be fair!

[@user-gd1mm7gw8k]

DSG is very slow if its broken.. and it will be soonerOrlater..

[@pauloavrd]

@@user-gd1mm7gw8k buthurt of not having a dsg? :(

[@RustyHeartsTOV]

The manual is always faster after 120

[@umi2366]

I remapped my mk6 gtd, and it reaches 100km/h within 6.3secs... holy awesome!

[@filipetrindade6902]

But its diferent engine, so... Its a dumb comparison

[@d4main1]

Very good comparison. The 2.0tdi had higher rev start so it accomodated from the extra fuel it had and the extra fuel helped it gain more traction. The GTD would of been faster if it had more fuel for traction in my opinion as it has enough torque to accelerate with the given extra weight. Dsg or no dsg the gear changes were pretty much dead on for both give or take as both have different band width for power on peak points. Lovely video and very informative.

[@checkyourself164]

You're talking garbage mate. These are FWD cars, more fuel means more weight at the back lifting the front tyres. Less traction plus once moving weight defecit.

[@d4main1]

@@checkyourself164 this may be the case in a saloon but i see what you mean

[@xXxiRIPxXx]

its not fair i think. the tdi has more fuel than the gtd

[@karperman14]

Would love to see the TDI chiptuned to about the same amount of power and then compared again! :D

[@dbauernf]

Amazing how close they are.

[@dbogdan17]

They are not. If you had a dsg in the gtd you would see huge differences.

[@jobbo89]

I thought diesels worked better lower down the rev range, why rev it so high?

[@VolvoMarkku]

The Start/Stop system is great and also very quiet in the new Golf! :)

[@ajas41]

hhahah sure

[@kyri3x]

torque monsters... i WANT this car for city

[@mastac2603]

+ the gtd is manual, the tdi ist dsg ^^

[@lilazi420]

​@@paaweuuu6997 are you restarted

[@blacksytecsgo235]

its so close cause DSG and not ^^

[@mik3952]

The choice between these 2 cars also depends on what country are you in. For instance, in Romania (my country), the price difference between the two is waaaayy bigger than 2500 euro. While 2.0 TDI Highline costs some 23.000 euro, the GTD starts from 27.000. The 2.0 TDI is much more preferable and, if you want, you can tune it. However, the 2.0 TDI in this video is kinda slow at 200km/h. I drive a Focus 2015 Wagon 2.0 TDCi 150Hp manual and it is faster (and it shouldn't be because some extra 150kg!). I say wind ate more than 2 or 3 secs of its time.

[@sila.yolcusu]

I think it's uphill. My Golf 7 Variant 2.0TDI is faster.

[@dieselmiro7241]

GTD is good, but don't forget that the TDI if full tank ;)

[@jankow9687]

Stage 1/2 150hp is going to end GTDs whole career

[@Loky_8]

Gtd with remap would end 150hp whole career 🤣

[@mmmm-lz2fr]

Stage 2 150 = 195 Gtd 184=220hp

[@siraktbkru8590]

are these the same engines just a diffrent setup like turbo etc?

[@rxduouff2811]

Yes the gtd grand turbo

[@RustyHeartsTOV]

Not the same engine

[@MrStubbs8157]

cant u also tune the normal 2.0 TDI engine? How much potential difference would that be?

[@secretguy8673]

MrStubbs1981 stage 1 205 bhp 480 nm

[@sila.yolcusu]

realistic with DPF max.190-200hp 410-420Nm Sure you can have more. But this is the limit without damages.

[@TheGlockno1]

this wasnt in same time look up 14c under 7c time 16 up 10 down

[@paolopiretti287]

nel video la GTD è manuale e la 2.0 TDI è DSG

[@HarryBighouse]

paolo piretti avevo fatto caso ecco perchè vanno quasi uguale

[@albertocrescentini8500]

+Harry Bighouse solo nella prima cambiata il gtd va sotto, ma perche il dsg è un cambio velocissimo direi fulmineo, poi recupera alla grande e lo sorpassa facile

[@panzerfaustwot8530]

The only difference in engine between these cars is a bigger turbo on the GTD, the normal TDI will get around 190-200 hp with only a chiptune and with another turbo it goes to 240hp. GTD will go to 240hp with a chip

[@ado2271]

I think they are factory chip tuned, same turbo all the same.

[@MrSuperTolli]

@@ado2271 GTD12 on the 150 and GTD14 on the GTD. Not the same parts.

[@RustyHeartsTOV]

The engine is different. Many parts are different.

[@jakekino8011]

C'è da dire due cose però... (Mi riferisco alla differenza netta della velocità ). In quanto la prima è che nella Gtd manca una tacca del serbatoio, mentre nella Gti c'è il pieno. Quindi possiamo dire che il peso influisce nel l'accelerazione. E la seconda che sono state provate in tempi diversi guardando la temperatura posto sul display delle due vetture.

[@luckystrike656]

+Jake Kino non e' la GTI ma la GTD

[@albertocrescentini8500]

+Jake Kino stanno paragonando due diesel...il 2.0 tdi 184 cv(gtd) senza dsg, e il 2.0 tdi 150 cv con dsg. il gtd già senza cambio dsg vince bene, chissa con il dsg...

[@iRmazz96]

20/30kg di carburante non influiscono cosi tanto...hanno un peso ma in questo caso quasi nulla

[@mastac5758]

The automatic transmission dsg is nice when u accelerate to 180km/h. Beyond that speed the manual shifting is better. Cause u can kick the 5th gear till 200km/h untill the bordcomputer signals "5->6". So its faster beyond 180km/h. I drive my golf 7 2.0 tdi manual 6gear transmission 240km/h cause a lower gear is always stronger than a higher gear. The 6th and 7th gear are way to short. The power is in 5th gear, u can beat a c270, bmw 320, 525 easyly till 220km/h. In 6th gear it accelaretes like a golf 1.2 ^^

[@yogioto]

Nonsense! The GTD dsg comes with 6 gears only! After 3.200 rpm there is a decrease of power so it would be smart to shift to the next (higher) gear. The dsg goes all the way to 4.000 though, even with kickdown so it would be smart to use that little pedal on your steering wheel to manually shift. Sorry man, you have no idea what you are talking about!

[@ChristianRuf91]

In a diesel it is stupid to rev until the limiter kicks in because your power is falling astonishingly fast after about 4000rpm. Diesels should be hold between 2500 and 4000 to deliver the best performace.

[@simakosk]

with the 120d tdi´s arent a match after we passed the 180 kmh, as you sse above the 2.0 tdi goes well till 180 but then it stinks away and cant climb till 200, as the gtd is still climbing fast you knwo why? because the gtd can hold the torque much longer till 4000 rpm´s as the tdi is falling down with acceleration, thats the matter with optimizing through chipping and making the curve last longer

[@SuperNiceguy60]

Tdi 150hp is more fun to drive TDI 186hp has more turbo lag you need to keep the engine in high revs to have very good performance Is the same thing with the VW golf GTI and the Golf R

[@fedjadrndarski5606]

No it is not, because 184HP has more torque, and also GTD has low lag GTD1449VZ turbocharger which is capable up to 220 hp.

[@harbl2479]

I think someone is regretting buying the 150 TDI version...

[@paulanderson79]

@@harbl2479 I often see posts such as the one above. Trying to convince themselves they have the best model.

[@mnl493x]

I’ve had both cars and the 2019. 2.0tdi 150 okay too 100 mph then is out of steam. The 2017 gtd felt slightly quicker too 100 mph but after that keeps pulling like a train too 130/135mph before slowing Only other difference was 2019 was 7 speed dsg. 2017 gtd was 6 speed dsg

[@TextuRePro]

I have the 2.0TDI Audi A3 DSG and when the car was stock (150hp) yes it was good up to 100mph and then it slows down a lot but still pulls until 130ish mph, Now with stage 1 pushing 191hp and 417nm It easily sees 130mph without a problem. If I was to compare the acceleration stock vs stage , stage 1 from 100-130 feels like 80-110 on stock engine.

[@YogaNorthernIreland]

Not really the 150 gttdi mk 7 Golf manual pulls strongly well over 100 mph in 4th

[@VaneNaumovski]

The GTD is nice even with DSG. I would like to have it. BTW that 150hp TDI is kinda slow reaching 220.. There's something wrong with it because my Golf 4 TDI 150hp 4Motion has a better acceleration to 220 than the mk7...

[@Automann-TV]

That was a windy day, might be the reason why the 150hp lost 2 or 3 sec. to 200 km/h!?

[@giovanialex7409]

Golf mk6 2.0 tdi 140hp: i hit 220 on autobahn..this is slow..tdi goes faster from 180 to 215 if its 6th gear and not kept too much in 5th...

[@yogioto]

The GTD would be so much faster if the driver had taken a look at how power relates to rpm..

[@mortenrasmussen1192]

Mine are also remapped. I got the 184 hp Leon Fr... Result.. 231 hp and 498 nm.. fast? oh yes.

[@LEX46UFC36]

Morten Rasmussen dsg or manual ?

[@aleksandarharalanov]

One is full tank and one is dsg This isn't a fair comparison at all lmao

[@hornet919rider2]

DSG vs Manual with a full tank.

[@Luka-ov1hu]

2.0 is a new car with 2k kiloneters

[@jhussane8894]

Not much difference only just behind it

[@743S]

184 orari Vs 201....... 34 cv in più dovranno fare la differenza.

[@HarryBighouse]

direi che bastano e avanzano 184 no ;) ?

[@743S]

Harry Bighouse la potenza fa assuefazione, bastano per ora, tra un anno? :D

[@HarryBighouse]

ahahah è vero percarità lo so però devi contare che le macchine tocca mantenerle e costano molto e ciò ci deve far frenare dal volere sempre di più..Io ho un golf 7 2.0 tdi e tra 2 anni spero di prendere il golf 7 gtd ma poi basta ahahah

l'hai preso? ahaha

[@vlvl6316]

El tdi alcanza los 233 kmh el gtd imagino 10 kmh mas

[@westindiis]

not in acceleration with my chiped tdi 150 i stick a gtd easy ... but chipped the best balance /price is for the tdi 150 for the styling the GTD is the best !

[@shanigmanig9430]

how much power did you chip add ?

[@ильямотора-ь3у]

а коробки передач разные и солярки по разному налито

[@vulzo0303]

差在哪裡。😂

[@westindiis]

185

[@Charlimike24]

The 2.0 tdi 184 + dsg is the best way the use the engine. I have a remap as well, so we are speakning 241/500. Seat Leon st. car facelift. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJjIZaRnl5WYsJI

[@ado2271]

Totaly the same engines and parts, Factory tuning makes gtd after 180 and 200 km/h obviously faster even the tank and shifting on the mk7 comfortline were unfair.

[@MrSuperTolli]

Totally wrong, your writing...

[@chucklesmcnugget]

Acutally, GTD engine (CUNA) is different: "The EA288 family of engines follow suit with most of VW's earlier engines with the lower power units sharing many components with the highest output 184 / 190bhp engines. The 110 and 150’s have slightly smaller turbo’s that can be swapped, tuned and the above is possible. Example Engine codes are CKYB, CRBB, CRBC, CRLB, CRVA and CRVC": www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/Blog/mqb-platform-ea288-engine-tuning-184-cuna-cupa/

[@mastac5758]

Top video is golf 7 2.0 tdi 150hp with dsg transmission Second video is golf 7 2.0 tdi 184 hp (gtd) with manual gearbox As u can see the dsg catches up in lower speed during the gear changes. But in higher gears the dsg is crap. Dsg needs 49sec to reach 200kph. Thats slow as fuck. Dsg is good at light starts, manual is better on highway and if you can shift very good and fast manual is always quicker than dsg. I have golf 7 2.0 tdi 150hp manual transmission and i need 32sec to 200kph

[@mark-1rc502]

Caner Özdemir 32 secs is quite respectable , but isn't that close to GTD time with more power in same car ?

[@wasuprobleemjoh]

2.0 tdi just has less high end power compared to gtd, thats why it can accelerate good at low speeds but can't pull that much at high speed

[@Turbo_96]

Caner Özdemir i wanna see you shifting faster than a dsg lmao

[@trytthisnowk]

Ali Han broken syncros inc

[@StarCarSalesNelson]

Both chav cars

[@markocovic7803]

did u see fuel tank at 2.0 TDI and GTI ???, TDI has got more fuel in tank then GTI !!!!! and of course is TDI heavy !!!

[@XX_96]

+Marko Čović *GTD

[@markocovic7803]

👍

[@janbeutelspacher267]

Marko Čović its 20 KG.... if there was 20 KG less in the tdi would it go 400 KM/H???. 😐

[@ZoubeirsWorld]

You stupid or what? They are BOTH TDI. LOLOLOLOL

[@muharremg713]

Am

[@edmundreichelt2856]

gtd is emberrassing. i hope i wrote it right😅

[@alessiorroadies800]

the video is rigged. i see the TDI is an automatic transission and has shorter gears while the gtd is MT i think the difference would be minimal if both thransmissions where mt! by the way volkswagen sucks is too expensive and isn't fairpriced

[@TheWindows1972]

my golf 4 1,9 tdi 101 hp with chip is faster then the golf 7 with 150 hp, i am sure!

[@alessiorroadies800]

Michael Schindler maybe you have a shorter gear box and your weight is also 200 kg less

[@TheWindows1972]

my car has a six-speed gearbox but original all. the weight is less you are right!

[@mastac5758]

The automatic transmission dsg is nice when u accelerate to 180km/h. Beyond that speed the manual shifting is better. Cause u can kick the 5th gear till 200km/h untill the bordcomputer signals "5->6". So its faster beyond 180km/h. I drive my golf 7 2.0 tdi manual 6gear transmission 240km/h cause a lower gear is always stronger than a higher gear. The 6th and 7th gear are way to short. The power is in 5th gear, u can beat a c270, bmw 320, 525 easyly till 220km/h. In 6th gear it accelaretes like a golf 1.2 ^^

[@yogioto]

The GTD would be so much faster if the driver had taken a look at how power relates to rpm..

[@Augustus222]

The GTD has it's peak horsepower from 3500-4000 rpm.

[@alessiorroadies800]

fesch198 there where you never will use it I like the jtdm2 engines more , they have a peak power already in lower rpm band

[@yogioto]

fesch198 No, unfortunately you can feel it massively decrease from about 3.100! Anything from 2 to 3k is good (roughly speaking since the power bands differ from gear to gear so sometimes shifting at 2.5 gives you better acceleration in the next gear at a certain speed). To drive any turbo Diesel most efficiently takes quite some getting used to. Kick down shifts you from 6th to 4th gear at 160km/h for example, but being around 3.5krpm you hardly accelerate. If you stop just before the kick down point it will only shift you to 5th giving you a nice boost from 2.9 to 3.2 and then already you would have to move your foot up to let it shift back to 6th and actually accelerate faster from around 190 to 240. Sounds completely illogical and messed up, but again can be explained by the power bands and doesn't bother at all after a short while ;)

[@yogioto]

fesch198 (only speaking of a GTD from my own experience. Driving that automatic shift efficiently sometimes makes you feel like playing an instrument since it takes quite some sensitivity)