2016 Golf R MK7 034 Dogbone Mount Insert Install

[@Haydenbacon306]

7:45 for the install....

[@MrAbhilashlucky]

Daniel Ross thank you

[@dBsdecibels]

Looks like you're joking the side of the car first at the pinch weld, then lifting the front center-left via the subframe? Where on the subframe are you placing the jack?

[@tenaki8]

Is it normal to get vibration in your feet from the accelerator and brake pedal, after installing the insert?

[@tenaki8]

Is it okay to re use the same bolt?

[@LarryRichelli]

what is the difference between this and the puck insert that some are installing? Thanks

[@SlugDropsonheads]

I notice something like what you just said! I bought my 2011 used from the dealer, and I noticed a tiny slight vibration when it first turns over. I usually only hear it from a cold start.

[@RadFox1320]

+SlugDropsonheads do you have a dog bone mount insert installed?

[@SlugDropsonheads]

Nope, not that I know of. I just bought this guy 4 months ago. I have been wondering if it is something I should take it in for... While it's still got that great warranty on everything haha.

[@SlugDropsonheads]

It almost sounds like when your phone receives a text and you have it on vibrate. Just a single pulse.

[@RadFox1320]

+SlugDropsonheads if it does it all of the time you should probably take it in and see what they say. If they can't find anything they will tell you it is normal. It might be a common problem with an easy fix. On the early 2015 GTI, I believe it was a fuel line, that could rattle but you could easily bend some heat shielding to fix it. I would jack the car up on 4 stands and have someone repeatedly start the car while I was underneath to see if i could figure out what was vibrating.

[@comonerleon]

WhT tools besides a jack would I need, like what's the specification of the tools you used so I can buy them mate! I have the same exact insert and piece please reply

[@djorkode1]

I over torqued mine on my gti and it was giving tones of VNH! Placed a rubber washer between the bolt and the insert, torqued it 75 lb, now the start vibration almost 90% gone.

[@RadFox1320]

+Ismael Mahamat thanks for the valuable information! Hey, I have to ask, are you sure that you bought the correct version of insert? If you put the wrong version in, the VNH will be ridiculous!

[@djorkode1]

+Rad Fox I do have the right insert, order both versions and held on to the correct one. several other people experienced the same symptoms. I think it comes down to who can tolerate what! Hey once again, great video.

[@RadFox1320]

Thanks man!

[@AEllis]

Surly getting this done soon great vid explaining everything

[@renk5000]

Hey what's the tool used to really tighten the bolt in the end? Thanks!!

[@n0Obman]

Renato Kalugdan he used a breaker bar. He should have used a torque wrench though and torqued it to 100nm.

[@augysteen3260]

how many pounds did u torque down the bolt at? or you don't need to torque just tighten?

[@RadFox1320]

They spec it at 130NM. If you are going to buy one make sure to get the right insert. There are two different ones. If you have the correct insert it will gently press up into the mount and when you tighten the bolt the insert should not deform in any way. If it does, then you have the wrong insert.

[@KrazyKramer]

Radfox, I may be missing the comment somewhere , But did the 034 insert eliminate the wheel hop at the track? I get just ordered an insert for my 16 GTI version 2 due to wheel hop. Also, If I happened to get a lot of vibration, how concerned would you be about other nuts and bolts on the car loosening up over time? Thanks. Love the videos by the way. You explain it all very well.

[@Boatshedding]

Mike I've taken my mk7 gti on the track with the exact mount, works like a charm, no excess vibration at all, all other nuts and bolts will be fine.

[@thomaschung7377]

Did you get the 034 rear subframe inserts too?

[@RadFox1320]

No, not yet. I need to do some more reading on it first. What have you heard about the rear insert?

[@TheShaunsc]

Rad! Just picked up my Golf R yesterday. It's insane! Breaking it in without stomping it is hard it's so much fun. Anyways your videos are always interesting. Not sure if I'm going to mod my car or not. I'm liking it as is So far.

[@RadFox1320]

+TheShaunsc congrats on your new R, I am sure you will love it! Did you go manual or DSG? Thanks for the props!

[@TheShaunsc]

+Rad Fox I got the DSG, limestone grey like yours... First auto since high school 20 years ago haha. It's going to be my daily driver. I've had a hard time sleeping cause I can't wait to drive it!

[@TheShaunsc]

+Rad Fox No DCC, nav, or drive assistance

[@RadFox1320]

Awesome! What are your mod plans?

[@TheShaunsc]

+Rad Fox not sure... Kinda like it as is. I got suckered into 10year 100,000 warranty. Stage 1 tune sounds like fun but don't want to void warranty. My commute has been a breeze... Had 97 Tacoma, it's been fun driving The R.

[@dub99ful]

Hey rad fox. I noticed you didn't torque yours to 100Nm. And on the directions it says to. Is there a reason why you didn't? Awesome videos by the way🙂

[@RadFox1320]

I am sorry I am a bad example. You really should use a torque wrench if you are unsure or not willing to deal with the consequences. I have been working on all of my own cars my whole life and I hardly use a torque wrench except on engine internals or other parts that I know are sensitive or would be hard to access a second time or are expensive to replace. When I don't use a torque wrench I will most likely be slightly over tightening my bolts. In most cases I am comfortable with this. I believe that dog bone bolt is a TTY, torque to yield, where they actually stretch a certain amount when you tighten them and they get weaker every time you tighten them. There are a lot of TTY bolts on VW's compared to other cars I have had. To be safe you really should use a torque wrench and replace all TTY hardware, but In the many cases where I have reused TTY's I have seen no ill effect.

[@dips580]

My positive vibrations are crazy on my '16 GTI. It's as if I'm lugging it 24/7 haha. Here's a pic of my mount: i.imgur.com/Lwus72M.jpg and I got version 2 for that. Torqued to 73 ft-lbs. I did use the torque wrench as a breaker bar. And I understand there's a break-in period. Should I just wait it out? It was also a tiny bit slanted but I think that's normal.

[@RadFox1320]

+Ricky Spanish it looks like you picked the right version. Can you post a pick of what the insert looks like on the car now? I would like to see the slant. Plus, did the insert gently slide in (like mine did in the video) or did you have to push on it to get it to seat all the way in? There are a couple of things I am wondering. One, are you tuned, and how many miles did you put on the stock mount before installing the 034? How often did you get wheel hop before installing this insert? Maybe the stock mount is worn out, basically too stretchy. In addition maybe your engine mounts could be a little stretched too. Two, on my car there is very little contact between the insert and the hard rubber in the mount. Only the corners of the insert are barely touching the rubber when the car is not moving. I am wondering if you have more contact area in your mount, for some reason. Maybe there is a slight difference in your rubber dimensions or maybe even the depth of inner cavity where the bolt goes in. If there is something going on with the depth/height of that cavity you might try finding a thin steal washer that you could try adding under the 034, to effectively lift the 034 a little bit out of the mount. This might give the mount/insert a little more wiggle room before it binds and starts transferring all of the vibrations into the car. You really need to see if you can tell where the insert is hitting the rubber in the mount. There might be wear marks on the 034 that could help figure this out. If I really wanted to run the insert, and the vibrations were too harsh, I would look for the wear marks on the insert and then file or grind a little material off of the 034 in those spots to loosen it up. I hope that gives you some ideas!

[@12188MPH]

+Ricky Spanish Check out golfmk7.com. It's forum I'm on (username: vwgti). The version 2 tended to have a lot of NVH especially when you first install it. Not to worry though, 034 Motorsports is working on a revision (version 2.1) to fix that problem. So if the NVH doesn't go away, the probably will be fixed soon. Hope this helps.

[@RadFox1320]

Kevin Kuntjoro so they figured out that there is another difference beyond the two different mounts?

[@12188MPH]

With the version 2, it's made slightly smaller just because of the range of different castings that there are. So it's a hit and a miss. No one has had the v2.1 quite yet, but people are hoping that it's a big improvement. Fortunately, I have version 1, which so far everyone says it's good.

[@RadFox1320]

Ahhh, that makes sense, thanks for that info.

[@fredjones5327]

Bro you ok???

[@RadFox1320]

I'm here. Just been busy with other things. I just put up two new videos.

[@fredjones5327]

Rad Fox dude!!!!! Thank GOD your ok I was wondering what happened to you, how’s the car??

[@DonThorvund]

Love how you do your videos. This eliminates some of the torque movement of the engine?

[@RadFox1320]

+Don Thorvund thanks! Yep! There is not much movement to begin with but there is just enough when you launch hard or get on the pedal fast that the lower engine/transmission mount can compress by what I believe to be by about a 1/2" (there are other compression points in the suspension too). This is not all that bad on its own but if the wheels loose traction and gain traction rapidly you end up rapidly rocking the engine and transmission back and forth and the end result is that the car experiences wheel hop. This is a common problem on front wheel drive cars that have been modified with more power. On my car, in the video, my hop was a high frequency bounce (very rapid tiny bounces), which to me, tells me that I only need to reduce the movement in the mount a little bit. On my stage 2 GTI the wheel hop was low frequency but very violent. If the hop is too violent, at a minimum, you run the risk of snapping the dogbone.

[@GTI_CHHA]

You know that 034 has issued a revised version 2 insert, as the initial version 2 had huge vibration issues? Based on your review, I suppose you still have the initial version.... By the way, love your videos, you are a true enthusiast!

[@GTI_CHHA]

Sorry, my bad, you have version 1.... pls ignore my comments as they are not valid for version 1.

[@RadFox1320]

+GTI_CHHA No problem. Thanks for speaking up and offering help. It's people like you that make KZbin great. We are all here to learn and share, well at least most of us are. :-)

[@scotchegg6422]

Nice blurring of the arse crack. 😃 Need more videos Rad, what’s happened you’ve gone quiet.

[@moonkeis]

Great mod, have it in my MK7 GTI.

[@BBQRando]

Rock on Pyro Nation and don't forget to BBQ...!

[@JohnnyType2]

haha @ blurring out your ass crack, funny as hell. anyway thanks for the instructions, i will try this myself

[@MechRider89]

the best thing is its sooo damn cheap that its crazy not to get the 034 insert,

[@RadFox1320]

+MechRider89 heck ya! How are you liking your new car?

[@lifenz1]

No need on golf R with good tires

[@stevenmckernan3079]

Who cares about proper torque specs.

[@LynxStarAuto]

Its incredible to me how all these "tuning" companies indoctrinate the middle class into buying all of these useless doohickies for their vehicles. You think that little maxipad is going to reduce your wheel hop? No, I doubt it. Just how much R&D did this company put into that little piece? None of course. It is just a shiny new piece designed to pass the eye test. BTW for some odd reason YT brought me here from linear O2 sensor testing and diagnosis xP

[@paul123100]

I installed a new dogbone mount along with this insert on my GLI, which had tons of wheel hop on normal acceleration from a complete stop. After installing those two cheap parts, my wheel hop is 100% gone, I installed them both at the same time, so I can't say for sure the insert alone would eliminate the wheel hop, and I'm not about to take it off to find out. However, there are plenty of positive reviews out there on this insert, so yeahhh..