2016 Lecture 03 Maps of Meaning: Part II: The basic story -- and its transformations

[@imageviking7137]

I'm consistently blown away by the simplicity and depth of your observations and arguments. Thank you for doing all this Dr Peterson.

[@thoushaltremain]

I can't believe I'm binge watching lectures at midnight.

[@thoushaltremain]

And taking notes.

[@avalonjustin]

Probably because you're smart and you like learning!

[@hungryhiker800]

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They are mind blowing, probably some of the theories he discussed can explain that hhhhh

[@elisteele574]

Cannot express my gratitude for these enough. As an American that's not currently enrolled in college I'm incredibly thankful for the opportunity to listen into this moment in time.

[@hungryhiker800]

Lecturer Peterson is the best Peterson.

[@Dab8791]

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[@finnmacool9542]

I feel a bit like I did when i first read the selfish gene. New and great information flooding into my brain to mull over and extract all the understanding my brain can! thank you Sir from someone that never even had the option to go to college.

[@ayporos]

The Selfish Gene is a really good book. I don't really understand why in high school we (at least I experienced this) get confronted with 'study books' that like skim the surface of a lot of things but don't go into any depth. I think it'd have been much more constructive to just actually have students read the fucking literature. Even in a subject such as Math, actually READING the literature and story of how something like geometry came to be can be vastly more substantial and persistent over time than just learning the tricks and applying them a bunch of different times in exercises. Being able to place things in the context of a story gives it infinitely more depth and meaning. It's kind of a given that in the humanities this is the norm much more so than in the sciences but I feel that in the sciences we'd be well served by actually reading papers and books instead of just learning formulas, rules and algorithms.

[@morningstarx5340]

You're getting a better education here on KZbin anyways so it's no worries. College is overrated in 2019. Good luck on your journey.

[@indianamerica]

This man is a genius.

[@juancarlosvelasquez9172]

Dr. Peterson’s lectures are almost always High High Resolution.

[@WTFSt0n3d]

when i studied i worked part time as a mortician. being second man in the night shift when we had to get a "client". all my friends and family asked how i could do that. so much death and still be happy all the time. if you see how bad other people end, and then look at what you have, you can't even allow yourself to be sad.

[@antifans]

HadesXY i99

[@inkbythebarrelandpaperbyth6905]

Greetings fellow funeral director.

[@Zetto129]

This lecture is a mana for a brain! Thank you professor Peterson :)

[@stijn4311]

Thanks for putting in the images, it really helps!

[@jkovert]

Aw, I wanted to hear about the Cheetos loser guy.

[@DeluxeRyan]

This is my moment

[@celladoor_uk]

It's not easy being cheesy.

[@kellyberry4173]

Brilliant Dr. Brilliant.

[@karmacounselor]

perfect timing to hear this! thank you

[@MrFro89]

"There's a lot going on, so that you can sit here and pretend that you know enough to stay alive" LMAO!!!

[@moshefabrikant1]

6:30 Think long term, not really short term. Sometimes you need but as a sacriface 21:40 Really think

[@CrimsonFlameRTR]

Is that why mathematics is so hated by people? Because you can see it's complexity written out and it's not hidden in a shiny shell?

[@akashkakati2860]

It probably is

[@morningstarx5340]

I think alot of it is because mathematics is difficult and few are successful at it to the degree that they can paint abstract images and theories with numbers. I'm definitely one of the majority whom cannot. But I still think it's cool as hell.

[@baayzil97]

It's like a language that, unlike most other languages, has no culture erected around it and bears no similarity to any other languages and its value cannot be fully appreciated spoken as well as it can be written. And most of all, most people are forced to learn it.

[@frankU752]

anyone opposes to Peterson has never seen a full lecture. if they heard him speak for more than 10 minutes I do not believe anyone would oppose him

[@michaelmattice4986]

Thanks again Professor.

[@martinpaveymusic309]

Jordan! Your lectures and your strong stance in life have changed my life! I've been watching so much of your work, thank you! * * * QUESTION * * * You mention your clinical practice - how would I go about working with you on that basis? Thank you. Xxx

[@differous01]

The basic story: "we're on a road to paradise". Back through civilization to its dawn. symbolically: Babel vs Speaking in Tongues The Flood vs Baptism Fiery sword of the Cherubim vs Refiner's Fire The Tree of Life vs The City of God The terms on the right solve the emotive 'problem' on the left. Paradise lost vs Paradise to be found. "...the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life..." [Rev22v2]

[@SmultronsyltNatha]

Why do I love to "fall into chaos"? I don't like to be there for a long time, but one of the most pleasurable things - if not the most pleasurable thing - that I have ever experienced, is finding out that I was completely wrong about something. My worldview fell apart completely when I was 12 and it felt great. Sometimes, I feel like everything I do is trying to get a hint of that euphoria back.

[@glacialimpala]

Obviously that's only because you keep coming back. Adrenaline junkie, like jumping off an airplane etc.

[@SmultronsyltNatha]

Yes, that makes sense. I suspect that there's more to it than that, but the fact that I am confident that I will manage to come back is certainly an important part.

[@lucascheirador]

Thank you for posting this.

[@horsemumbler1]

We could be 3/4 robots living in caves in 20 years.

[@Kantonic]

Hi Jordan. Have you ever seen the film, or read the book, No Country for Old Men? I'm curious because it seems to me an incredibly complex and archetypal (and somewhat "modern") representation of evil. If you have, I'm wondering what your thoughts are on it.

[@captainredbeard261]

5:30 As it turns out, four-year-olds are actually very insightful.

[@luzzerr55]

With utmost respect (this stuff is truly wonderful) It would be helpful to have the videos using a standard prefix, as this particular You Tube title is, 'Lecture 03 pt. II ...', while the preceding title is '2016 Maps of Meaning Lecture 02: ...' . Is there a pt. I to the 3rd lecture in this series?

[@luzzerr55]

+Jordan B Peterson Thank you so much for this!

[@BrettonFerguson]

I go to Peterson's channel and use the playlists he has created. I trust the assumption he knows what order they should be in. Until the titles are standardized this should work.

[@RJKYEG]

There is some good relationship advice in here.

[@3DCGdesign]

2:40 What keeps you from being overwhelmed? 4:25 How can you sit here and pretend you know enough to stay alive? 21:00 People think that they think, but they don't. They talk. Now they're thinking. 25:10 What is the Bible about? 26:00 Your car is a bag of snakes.

[@AjaxNixon]

Wanted to hear the end of the hypergamy story, lol. Like you say, it's probably something I already know and think it's obvious, but it's not obvious until it's articulated. Women go for man who is may be presently poorer, but shows more potential for long term wealth (professional > inheritance).

[@glacialimpala]

I think it's also that in present time it's not just the money that represents status (that women seek to be as theirs or higher), with all the technology and much easier existence.

[@chack321]

You will find the answer in Part 1 of the Maps of Meaning 2015 lecture 2. Time is 01:24:00 onwards

[@coreyw3513]

@@chack321 Thanks, brother.

[@katiuska.ilumina.transforma]

Jordan es tan especial!

[@RamonThomas]

His views on why we have the Christian religion is interesting.

[@wenz5682]

huh, that's why Skinner said that positive reinforcement is more effective than negative reinforcement to lead to a certain behavior change.

[@jonwadsworth0]

Can you comment on, or point me to someplace else where you expand on the ideas at 21:38 :: "People think they think, but they don't. They talk. Thinking is hard, right? It's a very complex abstract cognitive operation. I don't think that there are many more people who can think than there are people who can really read. And that's probably 2-5% of the population at most. And so most of the way that people deal with that is that they talk, and that's their thinking." Specifically, the idea that only 2-5% of the population can "really" think & "really" read. Thanks for the great food for thought!

[@renataferreira775]

Jordan, please add Portuguese subtitles to all your videos. Including interviews. I'm picking youtube videos related to you with publication in Portuguese.

[@jreeder76jr]

That girl's laugh is totally adorable.

[@sevillaking6677]

I think it is in this lecture or the previous one that you say a small percentage of people know how to read (and think). Do you have tips on how to read better (and, if we are being ambitious, think)? Thanks.

[@SilentGloves]

You may very well address this in lectures in the series that I haven't yet seen, but what you're explaining here appears to very closely align with the sort of illuminated realms of the various mystery traditions. Kabbalah and Freemasonry in particular both have strong symbolism of descent into chaos, or what might be termed "base" or "primal" responses, and ascent or illumination into enlightened cognition. Freemasonry uses a checkerboard floor to symbolize the state of chaos, namely the duality of both good and evil present in each individual, and a ladder that allows one to climb out of this state to see the forest for the trees, if you'll excuse the colloquialism. As far as I can tell, there are very sophisticated modes of behavior present in these traditions, and those modes of behavior, in my estimation, seem to point to the same direction you're going with this class. That being said, I'm looking forward to watching more and seeing if those parallels arise in your discourse.

[@glacialimpala]

His mission isn't to address all the references, he's not a librarian. He chewed through all the sources and processed all that info to create this lecture and educate us. Like the mechanic who takes $100 and saves you countless hours of grief.

[@tanskimoilanen8706]

Thank you!

[@recynd77]

I would LOVE to see a lecture where Dr. Peterson analyzes the video, "I, Pet Goat ii".

[@misssarahashplant31]

I love to see Dr. Peterson breakdancing.

[@brandoncarle]

Just some guy on the internet listening to one of the greatest spirits created!

[@paulfadden8834]

I have definitely met people who go for what they can't have, but I honestly don't believe I am that way. For me I know exactly what I want and if I can't attain that thing I shut down, and after a while I will work out a new approach to the problem of how to attain that thing, even to the extreme that I will destroy any possibility of attaining, because hey what have I got to lose if I don't have it in the first place. It's similar to the way an octopus will see a puzzle and if it can't work it out it stops trying until it see's another octopus complete the puzzle, at which point the Octopus copies to attain the same result.

[@lilpopo2007]

Which video of yours says, “you’re good even you even with your weird things” I can’t go through each video lol. And thank you cause your lectures and debates helped me and other no matter how slow progress is. So, thanks a lot.

[@misssarahashplant31]

What's funny about not being able to go through each video? And lol is such a banal remark. I use emojis even though I don't really like them but I don't say lol.

[@karmacounselor]

you are right, it needs to be reciprocal

[@brandonroberts13]

It seems, for Jordan, even 3-5 years was unpredictable

[@CGExp]

he once said he only plans 6 months in advance

[@adamwhite1920]

@4:38 "There's a lot going on, so that you can sit here and pretend that you know enough to stay alive..." - tsss haha!

[@andriusbendikas9117]

First part seems to be deleted for some reason.

[@celloguy]

Jordan B Peterson part one isn't complete - we didn't hear the end of the "Guy with four stories" unpublished research story!

[@dhnerurkar]

This bugged me too. You will find the answer in Part 1 of the Maps of Meaning 2015 lecture 2. Time is 01:24:00 onwards

[@perrykatao]

@Devdatta Nerurkar Thank you very much!

[@ramkrishnadas4230]

Thanks.

[@markboggs746]

Thanks Devdatta Nerurkar! :-) Now I know how to pick up chicks. ;)

[@TheManWithTheFryingPan]

3:16 fucking hell I didn't know this guy lectured in physics as well. Laughed a lot at that

[@lbf6449]

Theres a girl in this class with such a lovely voice and it makes me wich i could go to school in person this year and meet peers and have discussions... :(

[@misssarahashplant31]

Do you mean you'd like a bit of how's your father with the girl with the lovely voice?

[@lbf6449]

Maybe

[@marinradanperic4167]

I wonder what he meant when he said that most people dont know how to think, what his definition of thinking might be

[@Mendablo]

Are these hierarchical Graphic organizers available for download?

[@somexp12]

Dunno. At least, they are largely available in his Maps of Meaning book.

[@louishenry3457]

21:36 What does he mean by this? Only 2 - 5% of the population can think and read? I need more on this.

[@karmacounselor]

shoot...what happened to the paper you didn't write.( end of part I?) ..the four photos, different stories, and women chose how and who?

[@FriaGram]

So now I understand the bit about Kramer wanting to commit suicide because he never became a banker.

[@entesarsalehabdullah6097]

Please tell us how to get over any kind of phobia

[@James-cs3vc]

Entesar Saleh Abdullah He's already touched on this in several videos. The short answer is voluntary exposure.

[@kellyberry4173]

Slow exposure.

[@andriusbendikas9117]

I think the same thing about character be said about sub-personality in relationships, for example. When an argument or conflict happens, you can define person's character (don't know if that could also define love, too complex for me to be sure about) by how useful in that situation a person is. Meaning that a strong character would look at solving the problem without arrogance and resentment, in the manner that would allow those 2 people to solve many more arguments in the long run. Or is a person doing everything that he or she can possibly do to make sure that any situation is turned into much much worse problem (hell basically). Anyone has any insights on this?

[@BrettonFerguson]

@21:40 Think about how this relates to democracy and elections. Only 5% of the population thinks, the other 95% just agrees or followers others. It is probably why often the candidate who spends the most money wins the election.

[@Milestonemonger]

Bretton Ferguson Trump proved that theory wrong.

[@Milestonemonger]

Most people who want become a Dr, would die at the thought of having to aim down and shoot for nurse or technician instead. Why? Because it's the TITTLE they're after....not for them, mind you; for their ego oriented parents.

[@somexp12]

Or for the experience of being a professional with a broad and deep knowledge base. Just getting a PhD (in any field) will get you the title “Dr.”. Not everything, however, protects you from having your training questioned. I have a similar frustration in my area. I have an M.S., but most of the day-to-day work allows any slightly motivated autodidact with an H.S. diploma to participate. They may lack the full picture, but they understand enough to participate . . . until they don’t. When they do hit their limit, my job is to catch them and to be thoroughly apologetic for disturbing their fun. Loads of people enjoy the grind of studying and training to become a subject matter expert, because this is how they avoid disrespect, and loathe adjusting down to become less than that. A title, if you get it, is mostly just the cherry on top. Of course, going from doctor to nurse isn’t going to bother everyone all that much. Some folks simply expected to be a friendly local G.P. who worked out of a black bag.

[@jman2697]

so if chaos has a structure, whats the structure?

[@GelidGanef]

+Wank Wank Chaos itself doesn't have a internal structure, but the way people respond to chaos is structured. He talked about how people whose lives fall apart like to talk to other people, to gain their experiences and insights. In the Epics when heroes felt swallowed up by the impossibility of their quest, they often intentionally sought out the underworld to ask for wisdom from the people there. Once you know you are already in the underworld, and can accept it, then you can find others who experienced the same underworld, and seek their aid. That starts a feedback loop of helping you create a new structure which can hold the chaos you have fallen in, which allows your quest to continue reborn in some way.

[@jman2697]

beautiful. thanks

[@philipmorise7970]

Why was the first part deleted?

[@jaakkokuu]

I'm wondering if a person who is doing mindfulness meditation is outside of this "what is - how we should act - what should be" loop. The idea there is just to be and stop striving for anything. Just accept everything without trying to change anything. Maybe you are just at the "what is" point and not trying to get to any "what should be" point.

[@ryger7366]

So what happens if you can't get out of the underworld.....and you have been there a decade or more?

[@nonamewhite1260]

Ry Ger keep trying...

[@glacialimpala]

Remind yourself that you can always stop the suffering but that you don't want to because the world/life has a lot to offer compared to nothingness :)

[@ministerc.politics4305]

Sounds to me like self pity. Just make it happen

[@kristofferhbolton2368]

What do you mean when you say that there are only 2-5% of the population who can REALLY read?

[@perrykatao]

Truely understanding of the words, being able to comprehend the consequences and all the implications of those words. To be able to read between lines. Not just read and repeat the words that someone once wrote without comprehension. A kind of deep reading. I think that maybe he is exaggerating with those numbers (2-5%), but as he said "probably" it is 2-5%.

[@glacialimpala]

Yeah it's kind of scary/funny that when you mention archetypes and stuff like that and give examples most people recoil like you implied I dunno... that the Illuminati made RR Martin write GOT to their own agenda :D

[@derekarsenault1046]

where is the rest of the story in part 1 . he never published it and cut it out of his video I need to know lol

[@adamwhite1920]

If all else fails, lower your standards.... lol

[@MrCybin]

What happened to the story of the Cheetos guy? It started in Part 1, but was not continued here....... FYI, this is a great series. Thank you! :)

[@nonamewhite1260]

WebSight basically ,women's choose ,the por intelligent guy.

[@Mas0o0n]

The end of the cheetos story: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4CcfYiNqJqAbJI

[@michelleadams1212]

That does indeed make them suicidal.

[@danyelle6974]

rubber ducking

[@mariamtee]

He’s quite chubby here