2016 Lecture 10 Maps of Meaning: Gautama Buddha, Adam and Eve

The story of the Buddha shares much of its structure with the creation myth featuring Adam and Eve in the Book of Genesis. The commonalities include the idea of a paradisal, enclosed space; the disruption of that space by anomalies associated with mortality; and, in the final analysis, the idea of enlightenment or identification with the divine as medication for tragic self-consciousness.
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[@manitdhir90]

In the last ten man minutes Jordan basically prophesied his own story 7 months before it actually happened. This guy has integrity.... hats of to u Jordan

[@ralphdavidson9542]

This is one of his best lecturers across both series. Amazing.

[@DavidOliver_Skier]

It's amazing to me that the end of this video (2:39:00 onward) presages the situation Dr Peterson found himself in come September 2016 with his employer (and the surrounding legal situation in Canada). Not only did he taste his own medicine, but he's living it exactly how he describes it here. It's my hope that he'll be strong enough to carry this through, and that the nation of Canada eventually thanks him for doing so.

[@prissynonee1999]

David Oliver ironic indeed! what Nietzsche might describe as Eternal Recurrence, maybe? Nonetheless, ppl here in the states remain uninterested and or clueless to Peterson strugles...willfully blind, one might say, as he is battling the nihilist ideologies sure to wash upon our shores soon!

[@melissagiroux1631]

Why stop at Canada. I live in the US. We’re also going in a bad direction and need to talk to each other. Thank God for Jordan Peterson.

[@kellyberry4173]

@@melissagiroux1631 Amen....I agree!

[@thewholesomegrail6722]

@@Neon_White I've been thinking just that. I'm just now coming back to him after listening to MoM and the Biblical Series in 2017

[@jlafrance0612]

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[@oiausdlkasuldhflaksjdhoiausydo]

This is one of the most interesting, necessary and widest in scope lectures I've ever listened to. I think I'm going to hear again just now. Thank so much Prof Peterson.

[@shadfurman]

Daniel Robert Prieto I started on the 2016 version before I realized there's a 2017 version, so after I listen to Personality, I'm going to go back and listen to MoM 2017.

[@kellyberry4173]

Absolutely.

[@MrBomoro]

shadfurman my playlist is exactly that ;)

[@RareTechniques]

So intelligent. You're teaching got me into picking up Psychology courses as well as Psychiatry and philosopy. I am 21, male - born and raised in Sweden. Very good teacher, Jordan. God bless you in Jesus name.

[@fallingintofilm]

RareTechniques White male? check your privilege 😂😂😂

[@RareTechniques]

im actually black and i identify as Africa the mother land

[@RareTechniques]

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[@drekdwergify]

Amen

[@Incandescence555]

Jesus said I bow to your Father and my Father -Jesus does not make any clear cut admission to high Christology or divinity in the NT. John's high Christology has major flaws in authenticity. Remember, Jesus admonished those that said he was good, 'only God is good', I.e. The Father, why would he say this if he was divine? God bless you and all living and breathing.

[@worldcatscooters7777]

These lectures have shined much needed light on not only my own dark spots but also the eternal light emanating out of me.

[@Lidrien]

This lecture was so amazing I was sad to see it end, stayed up until 4 am watching.

[@michaelmattice4986]

Agree...I finished watching at 5:50am...Of course, I'm single, unemployed and live with my parents...So I got that goin' for me.

[@jimsteen911]

You guys aren't the only ones. Its like 3am. And i gotta get up to mix concrete and lay block at 630am. I love jp and listen to him every night. His voice both lulls me to sleep and keeps me awake in thought. I think everyone should hear him speak on communism. Here in the US, we were taught about the Holocaust constantly during grade 4 and up - but i cant recall one damn teacher speaking on the Soviet union. Jp is right when he talks about leftists being behind this tragedy. Its so extremely enraging to me that our political system in the US is revisiting these ideas. Individual sovereignty and rights, especially free speech and the right to bare arms, are the key to a successful and free society. And hes right about Christianity bringing these ideas to fruition in modern times. The "founding fathers" of the US were all devout Christians. These ideas are so deep man

[@HelloThere.....]

@@jimsteen911 Hey man that's really not true they weren't all devout Christians many of them were deists. Even Thomas Jefferson didn't believe in Jesus as God he believed he was a good moral teacher and called himself a Christian but he really wasn't a true Christian. Jefferson also didn't believe in the virginity of Mary or her divine impregnation. Thomas Paine for instance denied Christianity in particular and was a strong deist. It's funny though because they're morals structures were all largely based on Christianity and Judaism so it's so strange to see any of them denying Jesus or trying to act like they came up with their morals from reason. It's like if Jesus doesn't exist then what are you basing your morals on? Like you can definitely be a moral person but without religion you become a moral relativist. If you can’t base your morals on God and base it on reason and the socially acceptable set of ethics of the time then it's possible to make the case that slavery was okay because at the time it was socially acceptable and blacks weren't considered people. Thomas Paine actually didn't own slaves though. Paine seemed to think that people owned slaves because of Christianity. Thing is Christianity says you can’t steal, or kidnap and that slaves must be bondservants who sell themselves and must be allowed to free themselves, God also says all men are created by him and therefore we are all equal. If you don’t believe in God then why are we all equal? What if your weak and cowardly and hurt people? God says you're still equal and if you don’t have any divine morality then what other argument can say everyone is equal? Makes no sense to me. Their beliefs were all based on Christianity no matter what they said.

[@scottblasken]

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[@EustaceKirstein]

Wow. He blew my mind with the "1% risk of an infinity bad outcome is an infinitely large risk". That helps me to have empathy with my highly anxious partner

[@jerlei5054]

-Batman V. Superman

[@JennK777]

All I can say is, THANK GOD my grandparents (not together at the time) left the Ukraine and Poland before 1930s and moved to Winnipeg.

[@jomon324]

"Draw Joppingly" might be my favorite vocal mishap ever. XD

[@aristotleman7541]

Love, love, love this spectacular multi-disciplinary approach. Jordan Peterson really is a gift to the world. What a wonderful, honest, thoughtful human being.

[@Scorpio111111]

Love love love this man’s brain and the linguistic skill in shedding the light on Truth. Your lectures give me hope in mankind. God bless this beautiful mind.

[@dx4life68]

Great lecture...some of the things discussed near the end of the lecture brought this George Carlin quote to mind: “Political correctness is America's newest form of intolerance, and it is especially pernicious because it comes disguised as tolerance. It presents itself as fairness, yet attempts to restrict and control people's language with strict codes and rigid rules. I'm not sure that's the way to fight discrimination. I'm not sure silencing people or forcing them to alter their speech is the best method for solving problems that go much deeper than speech.”

[@MoSec9]

G Guidarelli Unfortunately, the Truth usually lies in between. “The between” position is not as cool nor is it easy to argue. Unlike the extreme position on the extreme left and that on the right, it is not sufficient to throw a list of talking points and overused arguments. Political correctness is important and necessary to protect the vulnerable and help even out the play field. But it becomes counterproductive when extremists who on the left become its main advocates.

[@varggrose5931]

pstcontrl Much easier to teach the vulnerable how to cope with life. Political correctness protects the weak of mind; but not the misfortuned.

[@zilchbupkis3109]

G Guidarelli It is more than just speech It’s our soul

[@Ignirium]

@Easton Jaime Wow that's great

[@harkyo]

Rewatching this, 11/2/2021. Good to see him in better health and razor sharp as ever.

[@samgamgee3223]

Absolute mad lad. A legend in our time.

[@S2Cents]

1:55:55 - 1:56:54 _mindblown_ Thanks

[@chriss729]

Hi Mr. Peterson, I love how passionate you are. You've inspired me to dig deeper into many things.

[@kapart4359]

I really hope many people listen to this talk, most educational and necessary information for our world - thank you - Kathleen

[@Stallnig]

Thank you for sharing this with the world.

[@dcooper6142]

I’ve watched this three times now over the past 2-3 years, it becomes more relevant each time, especially like the last 15 minutes or so!

[@invin7215]

I was captivated for this entire video and couldn't step away. There was a lot of information and learning to go through earlier in the course to properly tie it all together, but seeing it all come together is amazing.

[@mamashaoc]

My mind is blown. I've already been able to apply these teachings to my life. And I'm beginning to make my way through Solzhenitsyn and Dostoevsky's novels. I can't believe we aren't taught any of this in school - and I went to school in a particularly conservative state/district. I have a young son, and will make sure he reads these materials as he makes his way through school. I questioned my mom about her knowledge of Socialism in the 20th century - and she had no idea. Even though she graduated with a degree from Penn State. My best friend got an Associates in History, and was also unaware. Thank you Dr. Peterson for listening to your Daemon, and sharing your wealth of knowledge and experience with the world. You are making massive change, on the individual level, which is precisely how true change happens. You managed to break my mind free, at the very least. - A Former SJW Ideologue PS. I failed to see Maps and Meaning 2017 - whoops. Finishing up M&M 2016, then going through P&T 2017, then I'm going to listen to M&M 2017, just to make sure I really got it.

[@davidbell2880]

I always hate to get to the end of a Peterson lecture. Thankfully there are many hours online!

[@ulagurby2012]

Wow! Highly recommended! Thank you professor for all the effort and dedication. I think with this overwhelmingly precious analysis, a major gem is for an idividual to be continuously aware of the significance of what is being contributed to the collective consciously or unconsciously.

[@larnizzo91]

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this lecture playlist. I look forward to discovering more easily overlooked concepts in his other KZbin playlists that can help me as an individual to better myself and prioritize meaning over happiness.

[@paxdriver]

Brilliant! The best and most profound lecture of the series, thank you so much

[@monik1808]

Thank you so much for sharing your lectures, Dr. Peterson.

[@eviltaco347]

fat anna you the real mvp

[@kellyberry4173]

Brilliant Dr. Brilliant.

[@sentienttrash2179]

I absolutely loved this lecture. I'm gonna take a lot from it and apply it to my lifestyle. Thank you Dr Peterson for your fine work.

[@free80four]

That was an incredible lecture. Great closing to a great series.

[@aufwiedersehen483]

the last 7min so important

[@david196609876]

Professor Peterson, I love your lectures, I've have read many of the authors you recommend such as Nietzsche, Dostoyevsky, and Tolstoy.

[@DJSTOEK]

Thank you Jordan

[@MrAvalokitesvara]

Truly great lectures. I have to remark here though that outside of the story of Gautama, there is nothing said about the core Buddhist doctrines that came out of his awakening: the 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path. These are rooted in the observation that life is/includes suffering, ie. noble truth #1. If addressed in your class, these could actually tie beautifully with the opening lecture on Heidegger's notion of "being" and pain. That said, your prescription/solution in light of that observation may somewhat deviate by those outlined in the Buddhist doctrine. In any case, just worth thinking about. These are really an inspiring set of lectures.

[@BigRed4231]

I love your lectures that are more hermeneutic than psychological (in the traditional sense). This is of course only my opinion, but the combination of literature, mythology, psychology and hermeneutics, and how you weave it together creates a kind of experience that goes beyond mere learning. It frees the mind in a way, it opens it up - activates modes of being and though that one might be unaware of. It´s learning in an humanistic way, meaning that it does not - in the process of learning - limit your creativity.

[@VanshikaGulati]

I've heard a couple dozen lectures of yours that kinda cover like 70 percent of this lecture. So it mostly wasn't new but this one still hit me hard.

[@michaelmattice4986]

Thanks again Professor.

[@zilchbupkis3109]

All these great thinkers lived through really really hard times, maybe that’s why these people were so on going and always searching, today we all live good and don’t really care about life at least not to the extent that these people did. It’s amazing how true the fact that our environment really does shape us and our brains.

[@reizudo]

Damn, the part where he explains the difference of left and right autoritarians is so spot on with all is happening today.

[@BruceDureaultJr]

Wisdom at it's finest 💪

[@davidbrennan9019]

Love all your lectures. Thank you very much. Wondering whats your take on the Pied piper of Hamlin story?

[@cornbreadisbetterthanpizza6866]

45:15 "He's treated like a divinity, and he is a divinity just not the positive kind." That is the coolest and nerdiest burn ever.

[@vickiewatson4107]

And Dr. Peterson is the opposite a great leader and hero

[@dicemm5544]

At around the 1:20:00 mark you just crystalised to me why post-mordernism is bad and why everything that spirals out of it need to be debated with scientific facts show how truly destructive it can be. Your personal personal experience in raising your children and then putting foth those questions and ansering them in such an absolute manner got me to realise where this is headed very clearly without having to read the things you've read.

[@KingNefiiria]

+Jordan B Peterson the second to last video in your Maps of Meaning playlist was deleted. Was this intentional or was it flagged and taken down?

[@Ishidal]

Thanks for lectures :) Very cool

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

Rhetorician is a word, yes. Stalin died in 1953; succeeded briefly by Beria, then Khrushchev. Khruschev gave the "Secret Speech" in 1956, putting all the onus on Stalin. That speech was the genesis of the "New Left," which was going to avoid all that but largely ended up Maoist by the late 60s/early 70s (and also admirers of the Castro's romantic/romanticized willing executioner, who remains romanticized to this day) and then Gramscian/Marcusian as they lost any belief the western working class had any interest in the great proletarian revolution. Khrushchev died in 1971 (had been pushed aside by Brezhnev in 1964), not 1980. I suppose the specific dates don't make much difference but it helps to put in chronological order the unfolding wonder we live today.

[@atheistbushman]

Small point - Ayaan Hirsi Ali is from Somalia, not Ethiopia

[@parlor__4217]

Is there a study of the breakdowns of pioneering thinkers? This lecture got me thinking about figures like Charles Darwin, Max Weber and Carl Jung who all had breakdowns due to difficulties with a father figure.

[@parlor__4217]

Thanks! I'm reading a great book about the split with 'The Father' which analyses Apocalypse Now. It discusses the journey from the ordered world of the military (The Father) into the primal chaos of the jungle (The Mother) and the 'breakdowns' of the various characters. It's called Apocalypse Now Scene by Scene by John David Ebert. +Jordan B Peterson

[@parlor__4217]

Yes...watched it but forgotten most of it! All I remember was Dennis Hopper being a complete wreck and Brando being difficult to work with. Just starting Conrad's original Heart of Darkness. I'm currently fascinated with journeys into underworld due to difficult events in my own life. +Jordan B Peterson

[@historysdustbin3988]

Dr. Peterson: Is this study on PC people by the PhD candidate who accompanied you on the Rebel Media interview a few weeks back? Is the study publicly available yet? If not when? It sounds enormously interesting, and important.

[@edwardleas4792]

Would love to see your interpretation of the dhammapada as well as the four noble truths and 8 fold path!

[@Bluebuthappy182]

Wow the last couple of minutes of this lecture are gold. Very powerful ideas.

[@thedonsj2172]

i have not listen to all but i love his stance and what he say, im sorry im not i america to have a session with him, he wood clear my ptsd im sure. this is stright truth

[@unngodly]

I’m a better because of Jordan Peterson. The concept of 2 opposing viewing points being correct at the same time is not hypocrisy, but an sign of advanced society that needs to be continuously troubled destroys all arguments or attempts to put this guy into any kind of box

[@DMihu]

You can hear a very faint "Oh, my God!" at 1:24:43 .

[@paultreitel2661]

Around 2:05:00 you mention a study of gender differences across cultures; could you provide a source for that so I can see/reference it? I found that part to be _very_ intriguing.

[@savvasumin1221]

"draw-joppingly appalling" at 42:40

[@furiousgeorge4114]

Hearing Ayaan Hirsi Ali's story was so moving, it reaffirmed my belief in the individual human spirit. To have her Honorary PHD rescinded by some privileged children and a few cowardly faculty members is disgraceful. Your lecture really opened my eyes to the world that was, and the world we find ourselves in today. Thank you.

[@prissynonee1999]

I think you might have missed a few points by not including Kafka in some of these analogies. Especially side by side with Orwell. Was there a reason for this?

[@Deity1]

Touch being a way to heal grief...so that's why God said it wasn't good for man to be alone, it also explains why closing yourself off isn't healthy either.

[@tahwsisiht]

Anywhere I can find Jordan Peterson's lectures with French subtitles?

[@allthingsapostolic]

re: the question @ 2:19:30. It seems to me that experience may sway objectivity in the search for political solutions, which may lead without obstruction to cognitive dissonance on either end of the ideological spectrum. What are your thoughts?

[@amandamcnamara1617]

In 8th grade, I wanted to progress in math. My counselor said I had to get my other grades up or I couldn't. But social studies and English was mashed into this thing they called Core and it made no sense. It was so boring. I was never into doing the stupid projects they wanted us to do, some of which involved presentations. So I didn't progress. Even earlier than that, in 5th or 6th grade, I asked my teacher to help me progress beyond the class in math. He gave me a packet of hundreds of long multiplication and division problems and told me that if I got all this busywork done, I could progress to the next level. I never got past a few because it made my brain spin out of control to do a bunch of stuff I already knew how to do. I was more interested in math than ANY of the boys in ANY of my classes. Now, I am still interested, but I never went higher than trigonometry in community college. My teacher was so boring that I got discouraged, and by that time, my brain was done with most of its growth period. I am much stupider now. I just got fired from Taco Bell at the age of 42 because I have 98% neuroticism and openness and score very low in agreeableness. The thing is that even though I score low in conscientiousness, I was the hardest worker there, and I ALWAYS AM, and I don't quite understand that, but my efforts were constantly thwarted by my boss, who probably thought I was going to try to take his job. I think he could see my intelligence level because I would talk about metrics and inventory control and planning and basic logistical processes, but he liked to cut corners himself but nitpick me. So a week ago, I had a classic borderline episode that landed on a customer. My life is a series of failures to just get off the ground. I feel like a loser, definitely nihilist, and I have been trying to get EMDR therapists to get back to me for a long time, including my clinic, but they never do. I love math. It's the only thing that really makes sense to me. My favorite toy at 3 was the calculator. But my educators obviously thought I was not to be taken seriously. You can run the most complete statistical analysis, but it will never explain the pathetic anecdote that is my life.

[@dwayneeutsey8162]

Dr. Peterson, I would imagine you have read Vaclav Havel and his notion of living in truth in a repressive ideological system built on lies? Seems he would be right up your alley. Thanks for posting these lectures of yours.

[@carpesol9358]

Dwayne Eutsey hey man this sounds like some really interesting work. is there anything specifically by Havel you would recommend starting with?

[@lavachebeadsman]

Does anyone know what's happened to lectures 11-13? I can't find any of them.

[@quintonwilson8565]

They aren't numbered well, just find the 14-video (2016) playlist, it contains all of them in order.

[@michaelsoliman3219]

Goddamn this lecture was amazing...

[@davidwinch1350]

The thumbnail picture is of Patanjali and not Buddha! As always JBP‘s lecture is wonderful

[@AdurianJ]

9 years before the Great War in Europe The Kingdom of Sweden-Norway separated Peacefully ! That's a bloody miracle, especially considering how war torn Scandinavia had been 100 years earlier. It's one of the quirks of History that Sweden lost Finland in the Napoleonic wars and got Norway as a substitute because both Sweden and Russia was on the same side when the wars where over. So when Norway broke loose unilaterally in 1905 there was little psychological attachment to Norway, the Swedes still missed Finland (which had truly been the same country before 1809) the Swedish government only demanded that the Norwegians would be punished equivalent to the Insult Sweden had suffered. This only stretched to Norway dismantling their border forts and both countries being banned from stationing military units close to the border (something which lasted till the 1990's when it was rediscovered). This was despite the fact that Sweden was far far more powerful militarily as Sweden had been looking over their shoulder at Russia which was on their eastern border. But in 1905 the Russians where loosing the Russo-Japanese war so the entire Swedish military would have been available for a campaign. There where even foreign powers egging Sweden on like the German Kaiser. But in 1940 a secret torpedo battery in the Oslo Fjord built to defend against a potential Swedish invasion 40 years earlier sunk the German Cruiser Blücher and allowed the Norwegian government to escape captivity. Sometime Mankind is just lucky !

[@ministerc.politics4305]

Wow, thanks for the lesson, Sir.

[@MinorScalesMajorFuckups]

Were lectures 11-13 recorded?

[@anialiandr]

wish it had automatic transcript - easier to find great thoughts

[@alexmanujlov]

Does anyone have the text of this lecture? It's a pity, there're no subtitles here.

[@aprilfraser3818]

The sense of touch. Does this apply to animals? I ask because I adopted a one year old dog that was neglected. She had never been touched by a human or felt the ground/grass. I knew about the sense of touch so I made sure she got plenty of interaction and touch from me. Now she is two and what a difference touch and love has made. The interesting part of the story is that she was with her mom the first year and following. So she was touched and cuddled by her mom. But it seems that it wasn't enough care in total to make her healthy.

[@MrJamberee]

april fraser I recall reading about this topic years ago; how important touch is to infants. My recollection is that it applied to mammals

[@rik0904]

there is so much story abaut buddha, I didn't heard that one.

[@raymondkelly1667]

The Fourfold Path leads to the Eightfold Path and that will lead to self-discovery of what is holding you back in your own life.

[@Ray-cr5rn]

can someone tell me whats the name of the books title or the author name he mention at 1:32:18 i cant quite tell how to spell it .. thanks .. i am not a native English speaker

[@calvintran5764]

ray rusheed "Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn"

[@Alex_Plante]

I've wanted to read "Le livre noir du communisme" ever since it came out. It's on my very long "books to read one day" list.

[@Stranglerxx77]

Another great analysis and interesting talk about the similarities between many ancient spiritual beliefs and I have always been interested in various ancient religions Buddhism -Taoism-Hinduism-Egyptians Etc

[@funwithengineering1184]

Only thing I missed in this video is an Applause at the end

[@genexss]

2:14:00 It seems evident to me that this is already in full swing and has been in some degree since at least the 1990s

[@markboggs746]

NWO are trying, but we need free energy first.

[@pendejo6466]

2:32:00 to 2:35:00...and 2:39:00...

[@francescop1]

this man is truly brilliant, i am in awe of his intellect

[@romulosba]

Jordan, what was the name of the ethiopian woman? i could not ear very well or know what is the correct way to type her name in the google

[@samcollett245]

+Alberto Carvalho Ayaan Hirsi Ali

[@RareTechniques]

+Alberto Carvalho I think she is living here in Sweden now, she has made herself known to the masses.

[@jerome_david]

Hello professor, I'm curious what you think about Irving Kirsch's work? He's published at least a couple meta-analyses which determined that the effect of antidepressants in clinical trials was indistinguishable from the placebo effect. Seems to be a strong counterargument to the chemical imbalance theory of depression. I'd love to hear what your thoughts are on the matter since, as a clinician, you seem to speak of antidepressants with a good deal of faith in its efficacy.

[@Philc2]

The best med is a guided trip to the unknown- to be in a place the bad subpersonalities didn't know. Free of them, the better subpersonalities acted. My "cigarette" subpersonality took a vacation & I wasn't sure where it went and didn't care. As an object of fascination and scrutiny i was relaxed. They didn't know me and apparently i didn't know myself. I couldn't judge them and couldn't judge myself much either. Able to think more clearly...actually unaware of my thinking mostly.. And I think that's the chance meds give. The problem of course is coming "home" ...

[@Philc2]

I heard a lecture where the speaker said that the only real progress seems to occur with talk therapy once on meds. Allowing processing of things while the subpersonalities are lost and confused, i suppose. Breaking the cycle? (don't many disorders operate in a cyclic way?)

[@shadfurman]

Everyone is saying Jordan Peterson is brilliant. I don't disagree, but I want to point out, this is reason. He's spent DECADES of hard work to come to his conclusions. I don't think it's the product of above average intelligence, I think it's the product of focused effort, theres an important distinction, at least for me.

[@MrJamberee]

shadfurman Lots of people think long and hard about things-- and come up with very wrong answers. Peterson seems to come up with a very high % of good answers. That you seem attribute that to luck or randomness might mean you have not properly considered your theory.

[@kellyberry4173]

@@MrJamberee Amen.

[@stevencalkum9128]

JBP needs to study the stories of Christ and Horace. JBP also needs to study the volume of evidence for the existence of Christ. Most particularly that the Apostles essentially abandoned their faith in Jesus after the Crucifixtion of Christ. It took several witnesses to Christ's resurrection, including two mass witnessations in the upper room to convince them. Even after that, they did not have the courage to preach until after the descent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

[@ChristensenErik]

Do you feel like your approach works well for people who are low on openness? I tend to be high on openness as well, and as I watch your lectures I find myself nodding along in agreement and finding many areas where I could apply your thoughts to my life. But someone who is low on openness won't even listen to these lectures, almost by definition. Or if they do come across the ideas, they won't be receptive to them, or won't have the underlying education or experience to understand them. You said in an earlier lecture that maybe only 5% of people can really read or think. What are the remaining 95% supposed to do? Surely some of them could make marginal improvements in their lives, but many are probably not going to be willing or able to follow your ideas. As I think about how you might reach such people, I realize that many are rooted in traditional religious beliefs and that is how they organize their lives. Do you have much hope for the major world religions and their ability to adapt and change to help meet peoples' needs, or do you think a more secular approach is needed?

[@OleT967]

Erik Christensen well. in this context i guess im one low open religious person. and I realy enjoy this lectures. so there is that.

[@tardigrade85]

I don't hold out much hope for the low on openness folks. They seem to be highly cynical towards humanity and especially conventional wisdom (post modernists) and impervious to critical thought. In other words no amount of reasoning will bring them out of their delusion and most attempts to relate to them result in a crisis of them not being able to reconcile their notions with the truth or at least what can be pointed to as true or verifiable. They become frustrated in their inability to fence with me rhetorically and I quickly start to notice a visible contempt for me personally. It's probably worth mentioning that I tend to be blunt but I'm working on that. Anyway I wouldn't anticipate much success in talking to this kind of person unless the only satisfaction you're after is making their head explode. That is one of my guilty pleasures. Sometimes.

[@ironwal999mc3]

(Francophone alert, pardon my English) personality traits, if I understand correctly, are deeply rooted in our biology and can only be slightly modified by environmental and situational conditions. Do you think that a widespread ideology that has a pessimistic viewpoint of human nature can lower the level of agreeableness of the inherently agreeable individual who follows it ? I guess my question is , can someone be intellectually seduced and believes in a rational proposition that ,in reality, comes in total contradiction with his basic dominant personality traits ? And can a person be functional in this situation ?

[@szkoclaw]

If wolves actually tore each others throats in every fight, there would never be any submission. Each fight would be to the death. The loser would have to keep fighting to their last breath, simply because he had no other option. As the result even the winner would be seriously harmed. The winner would then have to face other males in his weakened state and most likely die. This means that without submission there could be no fighting whatsoever, as MAD doctrine applies. This is possible in social animals which see each other all the time. If any wolf ever breaks the rules and kills the submitting opponent, no other wolves will ever submit to him. This pretty much guarantees to kill him very quickly. This also destroys dominance hierarchy - a more powerful cannot dominate anybody, cause even a weaker opponent can kill him. This makes all players equal. This logic is the source of "right to live", "value before God" and "inalienable rights". It is the human recognition of game theoretical Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine - any fight that predictably ends in killing the losing side will destroy both parties involved. From this hypothesis we can predict that most combat will not end in total destruction of opponents if their powers are at least somehow matched. We can predict that if one side has total advantage they may kill all their opponents. We can predict that if there aren't any other opponents in the area the loser may be killed (as harm to the winner is not immediately threatening to him) We can now check the hypothesis by pursuing the instances when this doctrine failed ("the exception that tests the rule"). Holocaust: the Jews were already rounded up in camps and had literally zero chance of harming their killers. What's more, a million people eat a lot, by killing them the Germans actually got stronger. Communists killing Kulaks: there were no other opponents - the aristocracy was already slaughtered and the ideology clearly polarized the population into haves and have-nots. Hutu murdering Tootsie in Rwanda: the Tootsie were outnumbered 5:1, Hutu had government backing and there were very little guns to fight with (the killing were perpetrated mostly by machetes, where number advantage allows the attackers to avoid losses). There we no other large ethnic groups in Rwanda that could raise to power as the result. The killings stopped when Tootsie armed themselves and started organized fight back.

[@pauldunne5230]

Nice hypothesis. I can’t help think that the wolves would want the stronger wolf to lead for their own safety in the future, which shows how conscious of time and the importance of suffering to achieve the best for the pack, which is more civilised than most people today.

[@ajglider1]

Those aren't exemptions to the rule at all, this rule only works when applied to people who see others as human.

[@MrBomoro]

So... what is „meaning“ exactly?

[@bagelstruth9313]

What is the significance of the plumed serpent?

[@Daimo83]

For anyone interested, the basis of this lecture is "Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection" by Dorothy Murdock

[@memopinzon]

2:12:57 ,I'm guessing most of you will probably know of this specific case, but it perfectly describes the way pathology emerges at the expense of the non-average guy for the gains of the average in regards to socialising or raising boys like girls. The outcomes are quite dark. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer . "The Boy Who Was Turned into a Girl" is a short documentary on his case. I think it's perfectly fine when an individual identifies or changes genders out of their own will and self-evaluation (taking hormonal levels, culture, and relationship dynamics). However, when the entire system or culture makes that choice for them to push a specific agenda there's a great possibility that the consequences will be disastrous even if the "end game" appears to be valuable in theory.

[@Khayyam-vg9fw]

It is not "perfectly fine" not only to make a choice that cannot be made (since it is a biological impossibility), and then deny others the right to choose whether they buy into your delusion. Most of the people seeking to make this impossible choice are not hermaphrodites, who occupy an entirely separate biological and moral category.

[@WhereAml]

The story he talks about at 2:58:00 is ironically funny because it's basically what happened to him sadly with the withdrawal of the invitation to cambdridge (? I don't remember the name of the university atm/too lazy to google it) so.. yeah. Weird.

[@cav037]

The amateur philosopher in me wants to summarize this class as “The unexamined life is not worth living” we have structures in ourselves, in the natural world, and in society. Everything is in flux, in order to deal with constant flux, we need to continually modify our systems as not to become outdated and plunged into chaos. Update along the way rather than throw out the whole thing. History, literature, and biology give us useful ways of finding the “best” ways to live as the kind of creatures we are. Does this seem like I’m interpreting the central theme correctly?

[@mdbosley]

The Buddha points out, correctly, that greed hatred and delusion of the individual are the primary necessary and sufficient conditions which lead to all suffering. The central delusion of the individual is that they are an independent agent who owns and controls properties (mental and physical). The Buddha would not have agreed with the notion that there is any form of divinity to the individual. The Buddha would call the idea of the "self" a delusion. We (Theravada Buddhist practitioners)correct our delusions by repeatedly referring directly to reality. We notice 3 marks of all properties. (personal or otherwise) All objects of experience are impermanent. All Impermanent experiences do not satisfy. No Experience is under our control. For instance the body. The body grows old and passes. The body can't be a long-term source of happiness. If you truly own and control your body it would do as you wish. You could intend for your body to not grow old, not grow ill, not pass away. The body isn't really owned and controlled by you. Take feelings for instance. Pleasant feelings arise and pass. Unpleasant feelings arise and pass. Neutral feelings arise and pass. A feeling is impermanent. Pleasant feelings can not be a lasting source of wellbeing because they change. If feelings were truly under control you could intend to only feel pleasant feelings and never feel unpleasant feelings. Feelings are not really owned or controlled by you. Your feelings are not really yours. Seeing these three marks of all conditioned experience over and over leads to a deep letting go of all notions of ownership and control. This release is nirvana. You can't do the letting go. You can only see that there is no you there to do the letting go. There is nothing there to grasp. There is just the action of greed hatred and delusion... blind. grasping grasping grasping.

[@andrewmckeown6786]

And did Christ and Buddha meet? So the new message could be spread to All before the principalities could corrupt it?

[@Paul-A01]

Is the Christ story really a story of the redemption of the state? It seemed more to be a redemption of the individual, or a community, which as a message might be graphed onto the state.

[@thoughtheglass]

TGGeko this is the focus of an Indian proffessor- vishal Manglewadi; his book: the book that gave you your world charts this idea in the last 2000 years; and his book the cross and the healing if the nation's charts it in the present/recent past. In my opinion the ideas presented by him and peterson are in some sense opposite sides of the same coin.

[@markboggs746]

+TGGeko. If it's a story which evolved over thousands of years and so is probably "right" because it have evolved then perhaps much of it applies equally to both the state and the individual as both have the same problems to solve.

[@Marrow9000]

Great lecture but it has very little Buddha, Adam, or Eve in it. Peterson goes off on his normal topics of interest. A great listen, but the title does not represent the lecture.

[@Nugrat1]

that "dream-like structure" you're referring to is what quantum physicists refer to as "consciousness".

[@mieliav]

'.w/ a lot of respect to dr peterson, the lecture has mostly european history. not theories of personality, as the rest of the series.

[@rebecka2422]

This "death" that is more like chaos, insanity and being voulnerable...don't walk towards that light/darkness or whatever it is you see at the other side of that road. Pray and follow your heart, mind and gut. If what you see on the other side, on the other hand is God's light, joy and everlasting life, why deprive yourself and your loved ones from that? Enjoy the rest of what is left!