2016 Ram Power Wagon takes on the Extreme Ike Gauntlet Towing Review

[@johnwesley1660]

Admitting your mistakes shows character. Makes me trust what TFL Truck says even more.

[@polandknight2012]

Amen to that.

[@williamhugelmeyer2702]

Because of your honesty and real world testing, I just bought a 2016 Power Wagon!!! It's a lot of truck but it's everything you guys said and more!

[@FourWheeler575]

William Hugelmeyer How are you liking it? I know you don't buy this for mpg, but what's it averaging? I'm planning on ordering one in the next month or two.

[@williamhugelmeyer2702]

I average around 11-12 around town on a long two lane I can get 17-18 at 50-55 mph. It goes into 4 cyl mode. You have to play with the pedal but you can hear the difference when it's 4 cyl. I was a little disappointed in the power at first but now I have 9000 miles on it and the power is getting stronger everyday. The premium shell platinum 0-40 synthetic Ram requires for the 6.4 is so good, it's preventing it from breaking in. 4 wheeler mag said 13,000 miles is the magic number. Fit and finish is awesome, no problems to report, everything works as it should! If I had to complain about anything, it would be the ECM tuning. Ram has the timing pulled way back so weasel piss gas has no difference in power and mileage compared to super premium gas. Sometimes it up shifts really fast jumps into 4 cyl mode and then up shifts again making the rpm drop below 1200. Then it jumps back into 8 cyl mode killing any mileage. My advice, don't get the lifetime warrantee and take that money and spend it on an aftermarket ECM, exhaust, air cleaner. You will have a 450hp beast! I think I may cancel my lifetime and do it but I'm a hotrodder. Last truck was an03 SS Silverado with the LQ 9 , 6.0 liter AWD. RAM gave me a price I couldn't refuse and I am happy. This is coming from a diehard GM guy!!! Good luck!

[@williamhugelmeyer2702]

Oh, I forgot highway mileage 13 if you like pushing 80-90 and its ECM limited at 101, 14-15 if you drive the speed limit like normal people

[@FourWheeler575]

William Hugelmeyer Thanks for the feedback! I think I'm sold. Do you do any towing with it? I plan on towing a half ton towable toy hauler in the future. One of those should be good for the payload this is set up with. I'm glad they did this review though. It helped me get over the payload limit. I want an awesome truck that's capable of at least 9k. My 2013 Ram 1500 Crew is only rated for 6400, so I want to upgrade it. We love the outdoors, so that's why we want one of these. Right now I'll be pulling a tandem axle with a Teryx 4. I probably won't even notice it. Lol

[@FourWheeler575]

William Hugelmeyer Also, my mileage in town isn't a whole lot better. 12-14. On the highway I can get 18-20 if the wind isn't blowing which is rare here. Normally I get 16-17.

[@ChloeDunIT]

Thank you for admitting and fixing the mistake. Keep on rocking and reviewing guys!

[@RYCTTAM]

Everyone makes mistakes. This is why I like this channel, it takes guts to admit when you're wrong on KZbin and it's much appreciated. Keep up the good work!

[@edwardnelson3304]

That's why you guys are the very best because if you make a mistake you tell us about it. It's the best Truck information anywhere, a big THANKS too all of you!

[@marks6072]

You guys still make some of the highest quality vids on youtube!!

[@CallsignVega]

Thanks guys for fixing the score. For an off-road focused truck that tows this well it is amazing!

[@twoweelr]

The downhill braking is due to the tow haul feature that creates engine breaking as soon as you take your foot off the gas. It also increases rpm between shifts and runs higher rpms overall. An awesome feature.

[@codykirsch5591]

I have a 2015 absolutely love the truck i pull doubles all the time here in Idaho

[@choyfamilyadventures]

Thanks for the correction and admission. I follow you because of your unbiased, honest and real world reviews. No BS. Mistakes happen. Keep up the great work. Perhaps you could do reviews of popular truck accessories - winch, tonneau covers, side steps etc.

[@jordangraf673]

Power wagon don't care! Got a 2019 a couple months ago and It's the best vehicle I've ever owned by far. Couldn't have made that decision without y'all.

[@erics9754]

Glad you guys are being fair to Ram now. As you are starting to realize Ram makes the best truck now.

[@ecoheliguy]

Two questions 1) how did you come up with 6mpg baseline? B) what if a truck does better then that? Still a maximum of 25points in that category? Bonus question, if you were to test the Tesla model X how would you score based on watts per mile?

[@boss123400]

Your guys are only human, it'll be alright.

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

+Troy Strain If the TFL crew are human, which I doubt, than they're one up on you.👽🤖🐛

[@johng4527]

If we gotta start watching commercials in the middle of the videos now, then mistakes will no longer be tolerated..... How far off were the numbers btw?

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Roman, appreciate your straight-forwardness; very refreshing to see.

[@_valve]

Motor Trend was like this a long time ago, thank god y'all came along to take their place and be even better

[@andrewkenseth4814]

Love my 16' Ram Power Wagon Laramie! Insanely bad ass truck.

[@andrewkenseth4814]

I got my 16' Power Wagon Laramie for $53k out the door. It has every upgrade possible.

[@nelsonoberg9747]

Good to see the score corrected, it seemed the first time to be a bit of a shock why it was so low when there was rave reviews.

[@cpg0525]

I would love to see the towing difference between a 2005 Hemi Power Wagon and the brand new one. I think that would be a cool mash up!!

[@littlemopete931]

Thanks for being honest and admitting your mistakes.

[@jaytrock3217]

Sorry, I didn't want the whole video again. What was corrected? Thank you for your videos;

[@feeneysmechanical6215]

I pretty much have the exact truck. Except I don't have the bed toolboxes

[@Burdman660]

Thanks for the correction. The 6.4l Hemi has been unfairly vilified on here. It's a great engine.

[@rxonmymind8362]

Well the previous time with the 6.4 SUUUUCKED. So it was fair. Much better this time around.

[@stevenbiggs7101]

Wasn't the 2014 6.4L Ram 2500's run up the Ike Gauntlet pulling much more than 9,000lbs(Nathan and Mr. Truck made a mistake)to get a time of 11min 52 sec? It was really towing 12,000lbs plus 500lbs in the bed. 3,500lbs could definitely explain the difference between these two trucks.

[@CS-rb9jk]

FYI if you put the transmission in manuel 6th you can see what gear your in. There will be two numbers, one for the max gear you set, and then next to it will be the current gear your in.

[@carscigarsscotchnwatches5158]

Nice truck. I have a Rubicon and I like seeing a truck that is like it. Towing in a truck like that would not be my main concern.

[@ScoobyDigites]

no need to sugar coat you messed up its understandable. At least you guys had the balls to admit it and correct the mistake...it's all good.

[@bigskyguy1611]

I've owned two of these power wagons. a 2012 and a 2016. Yeah they are great trucks to be sure. The 2012 outfitted with non-MDS 5.7 and 4:56 was far, far better than the 2016 with 6.4 MDS and 4:10 gears. But what I absolutely hate, hate, hate, about these trucks (and its a pretty small thing) is the manual shifting toggle switch on the gear selector leaver. You can't see it and you can't feel it when you need it. Especially in a high stress/ panic situation when you need to drop gears quickly. It's very easy to miss the switch entirely or shift up instead of down by accident. I've written RAM a few times over it but they don't care. In my opinion, not being able to manually run through gears quickly and easily makes it a shitty tow vehicle.

[@amolinari9]

I wish they had manual trans PW’s but that’s ok I plan to turn my reg cab 1500 that has a 6speed manual into one myself as FCA won’t provide lol

[@selfcarefordudes]

Beast 🔥 Love this year of the PW

[@Dexter_Solid]

Oh thanks now I want one even more.. anyways how did you guys get the erroneous numbers? Go by the dash counter?

[@mikem5519]

I respect you for admitting your wrong that's classy

[@keithreinert5835]

Are you going to test the new one with the 8speed?

[@zachknight8727]

it's the higher off-road gears, also helping decent. i sure wish the cummins 6.7 had 4:10

[@Stuka87]

Hey, you guys fess up to your mistakes. The vast majority of places don't! I really like your videos, and keep up the great work!

[@AveryExcavating]

I think all your videos are awesome! the troll comments and the bashing of xyz brands always cracks me up.

[@freezor80]

You guys are only human. I forgive you guys.

[@cwyoming7004]

This could be the perfect all around pickup. Thanks for the review. Do you guys have $58,000 I can borrow? I'll pay you next Tuesday...

[@BlakeIgnited]

that's a very nice truck, great review.

[@iamthenra1968]

Why did the Ram 2500 with the 6.4 liter do so badly compared to this power wagon? I would have thought that the times would be the same or close? The 2500 got 11:50 and the power wagon got 8 minutes? Different gearing? Obviously tires are different... They both had the 4.10 gears in the rear end, so transfer case and automatic gears must be the difference? I think I have found my new truck thanks to this test. This is impressive, thanks TFL!

[@jholde04]

iamthenra1968 The other truck was towing about 3k more lbs

[@wvcorvetteman]

Thanks for being straight shooters!

[@ericd5266]

U DA MAN ROMAN!

[@sachastayswi]

Great video. What gasoline octane did y'all use for this test? I bought one but not sure if I should use 87 or 89. Thanks!

[@howierader8917]

...great job FLT!

[@brandondannys-menary3678]

I would love to have a cummins engine in it. I would sacrifice the nose weight issue for a bigger engine. I feel that dodge would sell more only because it would be able to tow more

[@R.E.L.Asphalt_Sealcoating]

Plus u lose tow cap. And payload with the heavier cummins 2,000 lbs diff in trailer tow form each but the diesel will do it easier but they are for 15000 and more weight in my experience

[@aaguzman20]

I will like to be able to get front and rear diff lockers and good ground clearence on a 1500

[@Sercumference]

Yeah the rebel should have had that but it doesn't.

[@willboyd7794]

Hey fellas I enjoy all your hard work in putting your videos on You tube Will you do a video on the Power wagon with 0-60 and 100mile MPG? Thanks Bill

[@john-martin]

was it on the card the whole time?

[@shawnriddle3018]

So hey Mr Truck how much can the Raptor Tow with a 700lb payload?

[@Wicked_RotF30]

Need more NATHAN and MR. TRUCK CONTENT!!!!

[@jamescalvert240]

I dont think ive ever seen a truck get anywhere near 6 mpg up hill towing on the ike gauntlet. So might wanna change your benchmark to about 3 or 4 mpg

[@shawnriddle3018]

Soooo, the Hemi in a 3/4 ton has more payload than a Diesel. So how does a Diesel tow more with less payload????????????/

[@LouieCastro3]

Same chassis but the diesel is heavier. Payload is the difference in engine weight.

[@shawnriddle3018]

Power Wagon is the Truck of Trucks.

[@jongrillo3046]

Hey fast lane. The Australians are already testing the 2016 Ford Ranger. Can you beg ford to get one and review it. It looks really cool.

[@pitviper97]

the Ranger isn't set up for north America.

[@lfsracer79]

9:48 74-78 dB

[@peteranoia4570]

Sound peaks with bumps and stretched out at the dash, it picks up for engine noise. At the location of the rider, ~73dB is probably more accurate.

[@2500mike]

Enjoy the reviews 👍👍

[@vdelrio999]

Suggestion: It would be easier to analyze your scores if the make, model, and scores were compiled on the screen. I can't see what other comparable trucks scored without having to scour your videos or webpage.

[@ivanascencio6188]

A finel namber for da trock- Andre

[@Joshgribbon]

Good Job guys!

[@hc4151]

Trailer breaks?

[@SuperSnallygaster]

Pretty impressive considering it's overall performance envelope.

[@canddmeyer]

How did TFLT arrive at 77 points? I still find the point system useless, because there is no description of what points were given in each category and why they were given those points in each category.

[@brianwaring7283]

+zip89105 The scoring system is explained in the video. If you look at the numbers I think you can come up with the same results. 2.8mpg, 8 minutes, 2 brake applications, and 19 points for the subjective portion.

[@kevinvanbuskirk5672]

I've watched your 2014 2500 test and the payload was 12500lbs, why the less payload with the power wagon?

[@Icutmetal]

Kevin VanBuskirk Tires, suspension, vehicle configuration.

[@dcourson7274]

Good job guys everybody messes up eventually at least you guys had to balls to admit it and fix it thumbs up

[@supporterofsanity]

I want one of these so bad but only 10,000 Lbs towing for a 2500 series. I don't know?

[@justinhowell5533]

supperterofsanity get the big horn with all the opinions you want and it only tows 1k less than the Cummins upgrade. For 10k cheaper

[@WilliamStewart1]

supperterofsanity I put airbags in my 2018, I've also put 4.88's in it as well. Yesterday I pulled 18,000lbs of logs around 70 miles and it did it with ease. No mountains to pull up but still fairly hilly. Current setup is 1.5 lift, 35 inch toyos, 4.88 gears, air bags, and I use 91 shell with no ethanol. I averaged 8.7 MPG towing the load as well with an average speed of 37 MPH.

[@luisguevara3429]

my dream car.

[@danieldalluge9435]

I wonder what the 2019 Power Wagon would do with the 8 spd.

[@ethan41623]

So it only pulls the amount of a 1500

[@jaikarchatha1967]

this is a monster off road truck. better than the ford raptor. this is a good everyday truck but if you're looking for a towing truck this is not it

[@justinhowell5533]

Marcus Corvain nah them turbos prob won't last long and neither will that v6 with all that boost in my opinion

[@kellychristensen9562]

Haven't seen a raptor Ike. Come on let's go.

[@joshlower1]

kelly christensen you ain’t seen it cause it can’t tow

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

I wonder if the cylinder deactivation helps with the engine braking? Any ideas from anyone?

[@brandonwebb9196]

No it does not engage in tow haul mode

[@jeeplab4601]

Ive been searching for weeks for solid PW miles per gallon numbers on a 2016 or 2017. Do you guys have data on an unloaded power wagon? is it really 11.8 mpg?

[@christianlingad8729]

JeepLab i just bought a 2017 PW brand new and averaged 13.7 on the highway. I'm sure it will get better after the break-in period.

[@jeeplab4601]

THANK YOU. is that off the dash? or did you do it with a calculator?

[@christianlingad8729]

JeepLab calculator. I filled up, drove it from San Francisco to San Jose and back on highway 280 at midnight after work with no traffic. Filled up at the same pump and got that number. Mind you highway 280 is pretty hilly and it was cold and I don't have a bed cover. Stock exhaust and stock ram air intake.

[@R.E.L.Asphalt_Sealcoating]

If you drive it the way everybody wants to yeah oh can get 17 on hwy tops empty driving correctly bit when I get in it more like 11

[@Barefoot-Bob]

NO you are misleading the Power Wagon is a REAL 2500 the only difference is the dual rate springs which can be easily compensated and you can use it for full 2500 loads

[@wilsonfan6712]

why do you think the 2016 power wagon did so much better than the 2014 blue 2500, which was crawling up the hill at 25 MPH?!

[@Nobody75-330]

Wilson Fan blue truck was pulling 3500lbs more. power wagon was only pulling 9000lbs with nothing in the bed. blue truck had 12000lbs on the bumper and 500 in the bed. both had 4.10's

[@Bruningable]

2,8mpg. That's 117,6L/100km. Jeeez! Nice.

[@MrAnalFace]

+Bruningable I'm guessing your calculation is done with imperial gallons and not US gallons. The correct number is 84 l/100 km.

[@Bruningable]

+MrAnalFace You know what's funny? When I convert 2,8mpg to L/100km it says 117,61L/100km. And when I convert your 84L/100km to mpg it says 2,8mpg. So somethings wrong with the converter on the site i used. (It actually says that this converter provides conversion of Miles per US gallon to liters per 100 kilometers and backwards)...

[@MrAnalFace]

Bruningable I just plugged it into Google ("convert 2.8 mpg to l/100 km"), and 84 is what I got. Google can convert most units right there in the search box.

[@Dexter_Solid]

+Bruningable haha even the big 18 wheelers ussually get over 70l/100km.

[@MrAnalFace]

+samus989 Keep in mind this is up a steep grade in a truck with a gasoline engine. The Ram with the Cummins diesel engine got 3.0 MPG towing 21,600 lbs.

[@shawnriddle3018]

Power wagon is a towing machine

[@cs6160]

the 456 gears in them is sure nice

[@handz87]

4.56 gears stopped after 2012 they all have 4.10 now. The 2012 with the 5.7 makes for tq due to the 4.56 gears. Would love to see a 2012 power wagon vs a 2016 now that's real world. It would be a bad day for the 6.4.

[@nicholasalbrecht9357]

I am unclear about why the payload capacity effects towing capacity. Aren't those two different things? The trailer's payload capacity and truck's towing capacity are what matter I would think, why does the truck's payload capacity matter? I have never towed before so there is a lot I don't know, but that is one I can't seem to figure out. Anyone who can explain that to me and satisfy my curiosity, I would appreciate it! Also TFL, I really respect admitting to a mistake and fixing it, that's a good business model! Wish more people did that.

[@andrewd7795]

Because you should have 10-15% tongue weight, which for a 10,000 lb trailer 10% would be 1,000 lbs. That number subtracts from your payload capacity, and then when you have 2 200+ pound men in the cab you are overweight.

[@BreckoniousMaximus]

One way to add payload capacity to the Power Wagon is to put some 10ply tires on and HD shocks or a thicker leaf spring similar to the 3500 RAM. This should make it similar to a standard RAM HD with the Hemi.

[@TheGodSchema]

Your fired!! Oh, wait, that was 5 years ago,

[@vaccumme]

Why did it perform better than the other 6.4 Hemi up the Ike ????

[@MoabYoda]

vaccumme Probably the 4.10 gear set

[@R.E.L.Asphalt_Sealcoating]

Blue one had 3,000 more lbs

[@aaronbehindbars]

Why are y'all using the same benchmarks for the rating among mid-size, half-ton, 3/4-ton, and one-ton? You can't compare the a Tacoma to a 3500 (or anything in between). The bigger trucks with the heavier loads are always going to be thirstier and slower up the hill. I'd recommend different parameters for each class.

[@ToAstYNaChO]

+Aaron Fink They pull loads appropriate to the ratings. So the strain should be almost equal for each vehicle

[@69dawber]

The math still doesnt add up here?. what did it get for each score out of 25. I get alot higher than you get unless you gave it a really low subjective score.

[@dakrt82]

It really doesn't have all that much more power than the 5.7 hemi

[@handz87]

James Thompson the 5.7 has more tq to the ground in the 5.7 version power wagon motors due to the 4.56 gears. The 6.4 only comes in 4.10 gears so power to the ground is less. Sounds weird but it's physics.

[@kirkswanson8122]

My 08 PW with 4:56 is a torque monster. I think their new idea of 4:10's is to increase fuel mileage on the highway. Best truck I've owned and I've had a few.

[@WilliamStewart1]

handz87 Yeah I put 4.88's into my 2018 PW last week, what a difference it made. Makes my buddies 2012 PW feel like a V6.

[@zacharymartin4861]

If I'm not mistaken, FCA detuned the hell out of it. The 6.4 in Challengers and Chargers makes 485 torque, 475 horsepower. Not for sure though.

[@shawnriddle3018]

Gas has more payload than Diesel.

[@TheNetcase]

You want to tow large, get the Cummins. This Hemi sounded like it was going to blow through the hood.

[@berrywhatley7563]

what? it was purring like a tiger

[@mrcrowley2737]

I’m gonna buy a Ram

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

My dear friends at TFL, Please forgive the sanctimonious, holier-than-thou clap trap being spouted by the over inflated blowhards who masquerade as your fans. Us true believers just shrug our shoulders, keep shtum, and carry on watching the best goddamned motor show there is. Perfection is God's jurisdiction, the rest of us just get along the best we can.

[@MarkPdot]

Payload of 1,400 lbs still seems ridiculousy low for a HD type truck.

[@shawnriddle3018]

Gas has more payload than diesel. Sooo how can you tow more???

[@R.E.L.Asphalt_Sealcoating]

Shawn Riddle holds more weight in bed and cab due to less weight of gas engine vs diesel.

[@shawnriddle3018]

yes, My unanswered question for TRUCK NUTS is how can a 2500 with a diesel tow more than gas with less payload if your towing is limited by payload????

[@lcarrasco212]

I didnt know Steve Harvey worked for tfl!! Lmao jk jk jk. You guys are awesome

[@tannerparrish3807]

I havnt seen these guys flip the tow mirrors up on the powerwagon once lol yet they do with the other rams they test, come on now flip those mirrors up, especially with that new 2017 you guys got now

[@peterlaskiewicz8252]

Only human and you have high moral.

[@zachknight8727]

it's also 60mph... but we all say 65 also.

[@k.r.v.4219]

Yes the Power Wagon is a great truck. But for the money? If your towing? No! I'd spend my money on a Ram 2500, Ext Cab, diesel with the Off Road package on a Laramie model with the beautiful leather interior! Then I would get a nice big aftermarket front bumper and winch, with a matching rear bumper! Then call it my new truck! But to use a Power Wagon for heavy towing? Nah.

[@douglasallen5467]

K. R. V. Right & wrong Depends if you plan on towing 10,000 or more. At a cost of almost $10,000 more for diesel engine You pretty much can Drive the gas engine free for the life of the truck. Or about 200,000 miles with the extra cost and maintenance . Notice the big 3 are in All out war for HP & TQ For diesel engines. Limiting the MPG's Also in some cases diesel gas has been 50 cents gallon higher in the last 10 years. Most People don't even tow 20% of the time you would have to connect a trailer 73 times. All trucks are superior Than 15 years ago. Sure you can afford it Go for it but do really need it. If you keep the diesel long enough you Will make up the extra cost at resale however Most likely cost more Driving if diesel gas continues to go up and Matenance.

[@WilliamStewart1]

K. R. V. Depends what you're towing, when I go into the Bush and pull logs out, I couldn't imagine how bad it would be with a 2500 diesel.

[@amolinari9]

Yes it comes down to money for sure. I love diesels especially the Cummins but I simply can’t justify the money spent to daily drive one and have my off-road hobby which requires maintenance regularly due to breaking components. With a PW you rarely break anything can tow “enough” and look the best doing it at an “affordable” rate

[@shawnriddle3018]

My 15 A.E.V. Prospector has leather ;-)

[@paulrouch5014]

its alright guys we all make mistakes =)

[@nicmendel]

if the truck can to go faster than the speed limit you should go faster. because if two different trucks could do the speed limit up the hill the entire way you would have almost exactly the same time and i don't think thats a good way to test the trucks.

[@R.E.L.Asphalt_Sealcoating]

Nic Mendel correct 8 mins 8 miles 70 miles an hour

[@shawnriddle3018]

Gas has more payload than diesel so how can it tow more????????????? or is that just marketing for the more expensive diesel engine which weighs twice what a 6.4 weighs

[@Mid2stars]

its a tall truck

[@leonardalldread5852]

where is the 2017 6.2l f250 this time let's do max towing !

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

CAN YOU PLEASE EDUCATE KENT ON HOW TO PRONOUNCE "DISTRIBUTING"? BESIDES, IT'S A *DISTRIBUTION* HITCH... NOT DISTRIBUTING.

[@69dawber]

23+25+23+subective. I get 71 before the subjective.

[@cafi739]

23 on the downhill. 25 on the uphill. 9 on the mpg. 2.8 mpg vs the 6 benchmark, is a 16 point reduction, as it's -1 point every 0.2 mpg. That means the subjective score was 20 for a total of 77.