2016 Yamaha MT-10 - Episode 10 - BJ's Blog

We take the MT to JHS Racing to have the Power Commander V mapped, searching for the 150bhp rear wheel figure goal! Oh, apologies in advance, not our best video work but, hey, it's Xmas and we've other stuff to do, hic... s'cuse me...
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[@bentalbottalbot]

Top video BJ, how did the bike feel after the remap, did it still feel edgy and raw or was the power massively smoothed out now, also was it mapped in standard mode.. cheers

[@LambChopRides]

very impressive gains! just shows how restricted new bikes are! had massive gains on my 701 with the pc fitted

[@fastbikes]

Cool!

[@covertlaugh1958]

BJ is your bike down on power as standard? Other mt10's I have watched on dyno'd runs are averaging 152rwbhp with a jump to 159 with a tune or flash. Is your dyno conservative with its figures or theirs high? With the tune how many miles do you get to a tank before a refill on this already thirsty bike?

[@fastbikes]

It's just a different dyno, they all read different figures pretty much, then there's what correction factor does an operator use, and so on. The important thing for us is always using the same one for magazine work, as it's in comparing bikes on the same dyno that's important, not necessarily the outright figures. As an example, we once stuck a race team's bike on the JHS dyno, this race team were selling them to the public as 205bhp (rear wheel) machines (about five or six years ago this was) and had the dyno charts to prove it. On the JHS one it made 177bhp, a big difference, but James showed us how flicking a few options could get that 177 figure a lot closer to theirs of 205. So, again, for us it's all about using the same dyno really. Not sure on fuel yet but will say in next blog.

[@janis916]

Thank you Fast Bikes Magazine! Thank you JHS racing Best first of January 30 minutes ever! :)

[@fastbikes]

Pleasure! HNY!

[@2391jessie]

Sorry, could find any where else to post. Topic: 2015 S1000RR DDC vs R1M/2017 Fireblade From my understanding both the R1M/2017 Fireblade had electronic suspension that has independent compression and rebound adjustment. The 2015 onwards S1000RR with DDC needs an additional "fork travel sensor (2D)" for the same (independent compression and rebound adjustment) How does the R1M/2017 Fireblade achieve this? Is there an internal fork travel sensor? At some point please consider doing a video or magazine feature on this

[@rekluseman666]

Hi BJ, do you have smog block off plates fitted? If not did James block off the air induction before measuring the A/F ratio?

[@fastbikes]

No block off plates fitted, at least none I know about!

[@rekluseman666]

Then that can give a false A/F read from the lambda sensor unless the fresh air feed to the exhaust ports are isolated. I have block off plates for mine which i have not fitted yet but will do before any dyno work for an accurate read. www.r1-forum.com/forums/153-graves-motorsports/252210-graves-garage-why-use-smog-block-off-plates-what-do-they-do.html

[@fastbikes]

Interesting, and thanks for the link, however were that the case the MT would run poorly, as the post suggested. But it doesn't, it's stronger than it's ever been and the throttle response has never been better than after the mapping. I'll ask James, maybe he did something I didn't notice because it's running perfectly. Should point out the Graves blank off plates noted and described in the post (by Graves) are made and sold by, er, Graves, right? Just having fun!

[@rekluseman666]

Yes they are, although the ones I bought aren't. I can't argue with the theory and it would be interesting to hear James' response?

[@fastbikes]

Me either, argue with the theory that is, except if what is mentioned is right the MT should be running like a two-legged dog, but it's never been better. There's a hole somewhere, maybe James will be able to fill it!

[@motaku_th]

Current MT09 owner here and mate this series of yours is making me want an MT-10 and I'm not even a fan of the crossplane noise, I'm more of a fan of a traditional inline 4 (don't judge me, I've never heard it in person, only in videos and that certainly doesn't do it justice). Good work! PS.How does it really sounds in person tho?

[@MotorcycleThrottle]

Crossplane sounds sick in a person with an aftermarket pipe. I had 09, and bought 10 few weeks ago. Definitely much better bike.

[@chrismeyer902]

Hey i ended up putting on a danmoto slip on and a decat link pipe, do i need to get a dyno tune on it or need a P.C. or E.C.U.?

[@westers1514]

That swingarm conversion on the R1 is very sexy. Have you noticed much difference in fuel economy with the PC fitted, or is it too early to tell/weather too grotty for a proper test?

[@fastbikes]

Too early really, but will know in another couple of weeks.

[@WozzasSportsCruiserRides]

When a person gets there bike done with the power commander you've only done one map, does it cost extra to map the other modes then. Wouldn't it be better to just Flash the ECU with a base tune? I went with the Woolich race tune on the MT-10 and every mode works well, plus all the race tools are there to use in the same tune. Far better value and not piggy backing the system with can lead to faults. I've had power commanders before that become faulty due to moisture and had to replace it. Thanks for all the hard work you've put into this series, happy new year.

[@fastbikes]

There are benefits and drawbacks to both really, so it just depends on your point of view. PCs are tried, tested and if the PC survives fine you can recoup some cash. A flash gives you more options, but you can't get anything back from it, so really it's all down to personal perception of value I guess.

[@WozzasSportsCruiserRides]

Hope your break was grand, always a lot of good info. I think only tuning 30% of the bikes settings with the Commander isn't good value for money. The Woolich race tune turn off all The O2 sensors, runs the base tune for all the power settings and provide all race tools in the one package. I think you should look into this yourself as Yamaha Australia have been following this tune I did on my bike. Still, very good of you to provide such detail in your video, people don't realize just how much of yourself goes into video production. Cheers, all the best to you.

[@michaelelwood6905]

Wozza's Sports Cruiser Rides who did the work for you? I've looked on the wool inch website but it seems it's up to you to do it all yourself. Is there experts to do it for you?

[@WozzasSportsCruiserRides]

In Australia I went to Procycle Dyno. There just the same as James the Dyno specialist in this series. I know there are quite a few shops at there in Australia that do this and if your in other parts of the world the internet is a great place to look. Sorry I'm not that helpful. cheers.

[@michaelelwood6905]

Wozza's Sports Cruiser Rides no it's my bad I didn't realise you where in oz. The ecu flash appeals to me so much more than the standard power commander as you can do so much more but at the same time so much more can go wrong. I'm not arsed about being able to take it off and get some money back, I'm more interested in getting the most out of the bike. It takes out the top speed limiter for a start. I need to research who's got the expertise to fiddle with it in the UK. Maybe look at the mt09 forums as they have some really good results. I wonder though can you combine a power commander with the ecu software? Now that's a question! Lol

[@GIGABACHI]

The sound, NEVER GETS OLD. Good work, ma man. Keep us posted. Any chance you guys could get an SP variant for a review or modding ? I don't even know if it's out by now. Cheers and happy new year ! 😊👍 Forgot to add: That R1's swing arm looks like the Cat's Meow. Fast Bikes, would you guys ask your dyno guy what are he's thoughts about the auto tuning feature offered to work with PC ?

[@fastbikes]

Yes, we'll have the launch for the SP (March I think) and then Yamaha will let us keep this bike long enough to put it up against the SP. we will ask, we've used them a couple of times in the past and they're pretty good, but we usually go for a bespoke map most of the time.

[@jeremychan477]

Great video again BJ! Always a pleasure to watch. Learning a lot! Was wondering though: 1) Besides block off plates, was the stock lamda sensors active during the dyno, 2) if a bone stock MT10 were to do a dyno what hp gains do you think it'll get? Thanks for all the hardwork and research!

[@fastbikes]

I don't think there are any, and the lamda sensors fit into the SP y-piece just fine. In the past when we've done stock Power Commander stuff we've had good results - but not huge power-wise. On a 2011 GSX-R 750, for example, we had a 3bhp increase in power across the board with a max of 4bhp at the top, and a 3-4Nm of torque increase across the entire range too. Not giant, but still impressive with a stock exhaust. More impressive was the improved fuel economy and throttle response - however - that isn't a Euro4 bike so any gains on one of those will be slighter I'd imagine.

[@jeremychan477]

Fast Bikes Magazine thanks BJ for the explanation!

[@pistolpete6321]

Very interesting! Thanks for doing the video! Have you been keeping track of your mpg? I've heard the MT10 is pretty bad, like in the 30 mpg range.

[@fastbikes]

It's better with the exhaust on, averaging about 35, and on motorways anywhere between 38-44 depending on speed. It was awful at first but has become better.

[@pistolpete6321]

Fast Bikes Magazine thanks!

[@knutjohansen8244]

If a Power Commander in principle adjustments the fuel mix in the light of the lambda, why does not the original bike do this it self?

[@fastbikes]

It does to a certain degree, hence why when the exhaust was put on sans PC V, and wasn't mapped at all, the ECU managed to keep the air-fuel ratio at a more than acceptable level. Not all ECUs do this though, and some like the MT's do just enough, or it's just the luck of the draw. Really, if you stick on any exhaust we'd always recommend you get the fuelling done, be that PC or ECU flash, or whatever, just as a matter of course.

[@knutjohansen8244]

Does that mean that power commander without doing anything with the exhaust is not helpful

[@fastbikes]

A PC won't do anything at all unless it's given instructions, be that a map downloaded off the net or supplied by Dynojet, or a bespoke map as we did here. We have had positive results mapping a PC with a completely stock exhaust system though, especially at the throttle.

[@-DC-]

awesome work good to see you can still get good gains for not crazy money.

[@fastbikes]

Cheers David!

[@O-Musashi]

Nice video. Please can you tell me did you noutice after dino and remapping difference in fuel comsuption?

[@fastbikes]

Gimme another couple of weeks riding and I'll have a much better idea of the MPG for you.

[@keithswales1981]

Another cracking video BJ ,what fash will you be going for if you go for it ? it will be interesting to compare it against the power commander keep up the good work 👍

[@fastbikes]

Thanks Keith! Not sure at the moment, but will let you guys know when we choose.

[@180slayer]

Great video, very informative. well explained how mapping actually works

[@fastbikes]

Cheers John!

[@alnadeau661]

did the y pipe blend in better after a few thousand miles. thx

[@hexthank]

James seems to consistently make little mentions of doing internal mods to this bike. I assume Yamaha wouldn't allow that, but man I'd love to see what's possible with a more aggressive cam profile. My FZ-10 is theoritcally making around 150whp as well (decat, 2WDW FlashTune), and I just find myself wanting more power! Have you discussed the possibilities of internal engine work with JHS, even if it's not possible on this long-term loaner?

[@fastbikes]

I'll ask him the next time around. Thing about the MT engine, is that it isn't just a detuned version of the R1's, it's different in quite a few significant areas and rather similar in others. Probably just easier to buy an R1 motor and sling her in, although it'd be completely ridiculous and the standard MT chassis would tie itself in knots with 184bhp!

[@hexthank]

Indeed, I think the cylinder head is different as well, but I'd imagine that with the latest EPA restrictions and what-not, the cams are fairly conservative. Definitely interested in what he has to say! Thank you for putting these videos together, I look forward to each episode.

[@NZsarge1]

Mint! Looking forward to the Nitron suspension upgrade.

[@fastbikes]

Me too!

[@janledzenyi6453]

Hi Guys, any new updates about MT10 ? Im so excited to see more 😀

[@fastbikes]

Yes, will be coming!

[@deadbugdavey1744]

Have you flashed the mt10 yet lads? Im considering it. The last time I mentioned it you was not allowed to flash the mt10. Has this changed at all?

[@fastbikes]

Not yet, got some other stuff to do first, will probably be the last thing I do. Yamaha have said it's fine if I want to.

[@deadbugdavey1744]

Fast Bikes Magazine that's cool. Hoping to get mine done in the next month or two

[@johna6968]

James is the man..

[@fastbikes]

Yup!

[@Goffens]

Very informative video for sure! However if you dont return the bike to stock completley i dont think its a good idee to remove the pcv coz the maping would be wrong whit that exhaust? Id love to se a complete kit with autotune and the ignition box etc ! Happy New Year!

[@fastbikes]

No the bike's air/fuel is fine with the exhaust and the stock ECU settings running the show, which I think James covered in Ep 8. On some bikes, an exhaust swap does fluff them up a bit, or it runs too lean, but not in this case. The bike will be stock when it gets returned to Yamaha, FYI. HNY too!

[@Goffens]

Ok i want to change the exhaust on my R1 but its expensive and i was told i need a pcv and a map or i risk damage the engine. But its not like i need the extra power really and also the tracks in sweden are super anal about the sound restrctions we have so im very unsure about the whole thing.

[@fastbikes]

What R1 is it exactly?

[@Goffens]

2016

[@fastbikes]

What I can say is that when we put a y-piece and can (A Pipewerx unit) on our 1015 R1, the air-fuel was okay, still in acceptable parameters. So long as it is, you should be fine - but we'd still recommend getting the fuelling done regardless, not so much for extra boom and torque (Though we did get huge increases in power and torque through the midrange, 12bhp at one point!), but more importantly a much improved throttle response. Look through our video section and you'll find that R1-Pipewerx dyno run.

[@browie316]

We are well overdue for an update!

[@fastbikes]

Soon!

[@onthebackwheel5033]

please please please put an MWR (H.E -High Efficiency) air filter on it and rolling road it again n see another huge climb in power. I had my r1 (15 plate) powercommandered and 2/3 system set up then had an mwr filter fitted n received a 8.9hp gain from just the airfilter lol pulled mega hard after also. same rolling road place too so no different road readings. cheers for the video mate spot on get my mt10sp March 1st n will be doing the same mods 👊

[@HooMeye]

Happy new year to everyone at Fastbikes. 150RWHP, that is between 176 and 184 HP at the crank. You must really feel the difference on the road powerwise. 16 to 24 HP up on the Yamaha standard figure of 160 HP at the crank.

[@fastbikes]

Yeah, deffo in the mid to high 170s I'd say! HNY to you too!

[@kawker]

if the power commander is used to improve throttle, fueling etc, why do insurance companies put your insurance up?

[@fastbikes]

Probably because they can improve power and torque, thereby in their eyes making it more prone to incident - more power = more speed. That's just a guess mind you!

[@kawker]

Ah right, would have thought if you had a 140bhp bike and you got another 10bhp out of it that it's not going to increase your chances of bining it lol. Could be a good video to interview some one from bennetts about it. Nice vlog

[@w0ffle]

Very nice work all involved :)

[@fastbikes]

Ta!

[@hexthank]

Will there be another episode soon?

[@JohnnyWooh]

Awesome gains. If you could now persuade James to upgrade his Laptop to Windows 10 my inner nerd would be even more satisfied.

[@fastbikes]

Ha!

[@9mmArts]

mikeXpapa xp is simple and easier to use idd imagine for these sorta programmes

[@Ahogg1992]

would be good to compare to my mates yoshimura gsxs 1000 with full exhaust system ecu mapped at bsd performance cordona quick shifter and also soon to have nitron shock

[@fastbikes]

We've got a GSX-S1000F and it's also hit 150bhp on the same dyno.

[@Ahogg1992]

Nice his made 152atw should be even better once the have permission from suzuki to unlock something on the ecu. What is your opinion on the both after a little fettling?

[@SineOccasu]

Wow!! Jason Statham stopped by to wash bikes ;D

[@fastbikes]

Great, now his head won't fit through the door... ;-)

[@REAlREAction]

Can I have one?

[@nickwoodall4744]

El Bandito a local lad then?

[@fastbikes]

Thought that looked familiar...

[@2391jessie]

nice...

[@fastbikes]

Ta!

[@WheatMillington]

These videos would be a lot more watchable if you edited out the actual dyno runs. Once you've seen it once, it becomes pretty tedious.

[@fastbikes]

I'll take that onboard, although here I just wanted to show the difference between a normal dyno run, and mapping. That said, many folk just like to hear it anyways!

[@bentalbottalbot]

If you dont want to hear the bike on the dyno then you have bought the wrong bike and shouldn't be watching the video