2018 Triumph Tiger 1200 Review

[@robertsedu]

I am 69 years old and still enjoy riding motorcycles. Recently I have had a serious health issue and my recovery time is at least 4 months. I really enjoy your videos and especially your reviews. They help me when I am really missing my bike. Keep up the good reviews and even though I live in West Virginia (we have plenty of nice mountain roads) it feels like I am in the United Kingdom when watching your videos. Thank you.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks Ray that’s good to hear and wish you a speedy recovery my friend! All the best - TMF

[@DavidGault-u2s]

@@robertsedu I hope you are still riding.

[@nuttySweeet]

Since you have it long-term, a few tips; If you are getting excessive dive, then you have the suspension set to comfort. Changing it to Normal and above greatly negates the dive, setting it to Sport negates the dive altogether. Also there are no calculations being done on the fly, it is not active at all. The only calculation that is done is on the rear preload depending on the load of the bike. You can link the Riding modes to your suspension settings making it really quick to change between them. You can also fully customise the riding modes. I’ve changed Road to the Sport mapping and Rain to the Road mapping. This makes the bike way more responsive when it’s dry and it doesn’t baby you so much in the wet. The Sport map really changes the tone of the exhaust too, especially when giving it full throttle. Abuse the Hill Hold! It makes the bike super stable whenever you stop and will automatically disengage when you pull away. The linked braking works really well too, you never need to use the rear brake unless you want to control the bike at slow speeds. But for stopping, even in an emergency, just give the front lever a full grip and you’ll stop in seconds really smoothly. And most importantly, have fun! The bike is real confidence inspiring in the dry if you want to have some fun in the twisties.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for the tips! Sadly the bike is now back at Triumph but stay tuned for my further videos on this bike soon!

[@vstm3950]

I love that you are not like other utub vloggers who only see good sides of the bikes coz they were incentified by dealers or manufacturers. Love that you still give good honest reviews. Keep work going TMF! Good lad

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks vstm - I try and give my honest opinion good and bad, these days most bikes are very good though! It is only my opinion though and I’m no expert...

[@wickedcoolname399]

It's winter here in Massachusetts and it's was 8 degrees F here today. It's nighttime now and it's 16 F and snowing. We're supposed to get another 5 inches of snow before it's done. Definitely not riding weather. So the next best thing is sitting in the driveway in my truck with the heat blaring and smoking a cigar, drinking a glass of Bourbon and watching Mr.Flyer ride a bike. It's not as much fun as riding but it will have to do until spring gets here. Thanks for the review.

[@ftby59mikeD]

From a fellow "Masshole" I concur...especially with the ' cigar & bourbon' !

[@johnsingleton78]

I've just got back from riding my Tiger 1200 XCA to Hamburg and back (NW England) and the bike performed beautifully.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice one! Thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF

[@aapddd]

I just bought a 2013 model. Couldn't be happier. What a machine !

[@maj301]

Intial impressions seemed favorable... And this one time I like to hear the GS comparison since it is it's most close competition...

[@VeeFour]

Being the happy owner of a fully loaded 2015 Tiger Ex 1200, I'm sure this one will have some lovely upgrades on an already great mile muncher, but not enough to tempt me to trade in

[@RobAKemp]

I'll look forward to a longer term review. I had a 2015 model with over 60,000 on that I have just traded out for the GSA Rallye.Test rode both and obviously the BMW won. Didn't get on with the TFT display or way you have to access the various modes through the screen on the Triumph. So glad to be getting rid of that dive out the front end too. I was hoping that they would have addressed that. Brakes are much better than on the '15 model though. Handling wise it didn't seem much different to the older model and the whispering exhaust was always an issue for me whilst filtering. Another issue that swung it for me was the servicing costs. Major service was at least £750.00! Plus the cost of a set of tyres and the fitting of those. Even BMW's service schedule isn't that pricey. Hope you get the weather to put it through its paces and I'll be keen to see how you think it compares to your GS.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Stay tuned - much more to come on this! Thanks for watching - TMF

[@gadjetnige]

I can't believe how unlucky you are with demo bikes, they always seem to have faulty speedos, it must be the bumpy roads in your area.

[@lm2487]

Excellent review as always. I think the 1200 is a good contrast to the 800. If one wants comfortable & big, go with the 1200. If one wants nimble & small, go with the 800.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Agreed!

[@megandavidson1357]

I've got a 2017 800 (thanks to TMF and CR reviews) and love her, but just wish she had a bit more grunt at times. The 1200 is way to big for me (height wise) and wouldn't sacrifice the heated heat for a low version (not now I've got used to it). But then again I've gone from a R1 to a Tiger 800, so I may still have my girl racer glasses on ;)

[@stretchlong6001]

Tiresome listening to folks bleating about the height and weight, as a taller rider my choice of bikes is limited, the average size bike would cripple me after a couple hundred kms 😊 Get over yourselves you have an abundance of bikes to choose from.

[@Belindaxtz660]

The A5 is my favorite road to ride to Jacks hill cafe. 100's of bikers on a sunday! Good place to discuss all things bikes and eat. Why don't you adjust the WP front suspension settings to help eliminate front end dive????

[@LeeLorrie]

Belinda gs1200 Totally agree, spend time setting the bike up and she is a dream we'll planted

[@kleef465]

Nice option is that the TFT screen starts to blur when you are over the speed limit :-)

[@mickeypopa]

Heheheh :)

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Yes, it must be faulty, mine doesn't do that? :-)

[@kleef465]

Terry Cox could be an software update ;-)

[@wickedcoolname399]

It's winter here in Massachusetts and it's was 8 degrees F here today. It's nighttime now and it's 16 F and snowing. We're supposed to get another 5 inches of snow before it's done. Definitely not riding weather. So the next best thing is sitting in the driveway in my truck with the heat blaring and smoking a cigar, drinking a glass of Bourbon and watching Mr.Flyer ride a bike. It's not as much fun as riding but it will have to do until spring gets here.

[@Greg90731]

Subtle blurring of the speedometer while overtaking.... I see what you did there :D

[@colingoldthorpe5918]

A Fine looking Englishman on a fine looking English motorcycle how so English!!! Nothing better to finish the day off with. Thanks for taking us along for the ride TMF, still snow on the roads here so no riding yet!!! TMF hoodie and I are heading to see the folks in Florida who came from Devon!!!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Have a great time!

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

From a company originally started by two Germans.

[@tinks43]

Looks great, I’ve just got myself the new 800 XRT 😀

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice one, congratulations!

[@toby7504]

Congratulation on you new bike...that is a awsome cool ride..

[@LambChopRides]

The first time I stepped aboard one I was asked to do skid turns on loose wet mud! Yes I did drop it... twice 😂😂

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yeah despite being marketed as off-road machines, I think you'd have to be a pretty expert rider to be able to ride one of these better off road than say a 250cc dirt bike....is possible I'm sure, just not by us mere mortals! I'm not sure how many people would risk dropping such an expensive bike either - I know I wouldn't....and as for picking it up...

[@LambChopRides]

No I had help to pick it up :)

[@LambChopRides]

Yeah it was carnage, so many broken panels at the end of the day haha. I preferred the 800 off-road that was a good size.

[@kennethmccurdie5833]

Great review just as what we have come to expect, Mr. Flyer. With a 26” inseam, I have no bleedin’ chance. Thanks Triumph!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

You not only need to be long of the leg Ken (and I know you're not that well blessed in that department) but built like Arnie Schwarzenegger to move it around your garage! Lovely bike and packed with tech, but if you can't lift it or feel confident when you come to a halt then there's a problem. Shame 'cos I really wanted to love this bike...aspects of it I do...stay tuned!

[@kennethmccurdie5833]

TheMissendenFlyer Which is why my choice of sickles is minimised. Before I realised just how good my Diavel was, I bought it on its 770mm seat height.

[@MrDesperadoontheroof]

There is a suspension lowering kit. Can lower it to 800 mm

[@neilb4297]

Been waiting for this one TMF. Looks impressive on first impressions. I'll be interested to see how she compares to the GS. I think I still prefer the weight distribution, front suspension and overall looks of the GS.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes impressive on paper - stay tuned for my long term conclusions!

[@disekjoumoer]

Great review, TMF. The bike looks great, but that weight makes it very impractical for commuting. The price doesn't help either.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

It's no commuter, that's for sure. That's far too much money to invest for a commute.

[@perhaps6112]

Looking forward to your longer term review TMF. Always find your vids interesting. I've just sat on a T12 XRT at my dealer, same firm as you used, Herts Triumph whom I've found to be v good by the way as I have another Triumph, a Street Scrambler that I bought from them. Great bike. With the T12 XRT standard seat on lowest setting I'm on the toes/balls of my feet with thick soled TCX Hero boots on, but can at least get both down at once and I'm also 5' 8". I wouldn't even consider the T12 XRT unless I could get both down but having done so I'll probably give it a test ride soon. I also tested the T8 XRT a few days ago which I thought was an outstanding, superb bike - and I've had a lot of bikes over several decades including three BMW RTs and an R9T Pure more recently. Was almost ready to buy the smaller Tiger but thought I'd give the T12 a scroot first though it's way dearer as well as about 40kg heavier and rather taller too. If I do buy either of the Tigers, it will be exclusively for road use as I have no desire to ride dirt, I just like the look of ADV bikes in general. I agree with other comments that the whole dirt marketing angle that Triumph push is just that, marketing, with very few owners likely to offroad. If I ever wanted to do so, it would be on something very much smaller and lighter. As mentioned by others the lack of an integrated nav system is one of the bike's deficiencies in my view. Not only lack of integration but it's hard to see where one be put at all without some sort of niggle. The official Triumph mount is just a simple clamp job that goes in the centre of the bars. That may be okay but you can't then use a tank bag, which on a long trip is very useful. And I dislike offset nav mounts on the lever housings or mirrors etc. I like 'em central, just my little bit of OCD. Very silly of Triumph to forget the nav mounting on a bike like this. The T8 XRT has the same problem.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF

[@gdalsin]

It sounds like you might just be the perfect chap to do a review on the XRX low model! Hint hint. I always enjoy your reviews BTW.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks Gerald...appreciated

[@saddle8bag]

I was over at the Triumph dealer today and checked one out. Yours is set up with the seat in the high setting. I only have a 29" inseam and it was taller than I prefer, but tolerable with the seat in the low position. I rode the Thruxton over to see it. The interstates going over that way are beat to hell. Thruxy is great on decent backroads, but it was beating me to death over those nasty roads at 80 mph. These bikes with the electronically set, long travel suspensions would be just the ticket to riding thru that, particularly if one had to do it daily. I really liked it. I could stretch my legs and use the crash bars as a highway floorboard. Glad they only had an ugly green one or I may have taken one home. One issue that's bugging me is that it looks like the saddlebags might interfere with the passengers legs. If you get near one with bags again, would you mind hopping up on the pillion and seeing if there's any bits poking you in the leg? The ones around here don't have luggage on them. It's an extra charge and they make you order it.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes it's a shame dealers don't have demos with luggage fitted isn't it - especially on this type of bike....thanks for watching - TMF

[@JimTheMentalHealthCoach]

First sport tourer I ever rode.....great review! Makes me want to go out and get one.....THANKS!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Stay tuned for much more on this soon!

[@peterdejong1610]

Love your reviews! Very nice to watch and listen. Wish that all the motormagazines would test like this.Thumbs up! Greatings from Holland.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks Peter - very kind of you!

[@kilobravo6272]

I had one to demo last week. I can pretty much agree with all of what you say. I'm taller and broader so took some buffet to the helment and shoulders. No complaints though. The keyless thing makes me chuckle though- fine until a refuel! I have wanted a Tiger for a couple of years. Now I 'need' one. Great stuff, love your work.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Kye - great bikes aren't they - miss mine sometimes.....

[@toby7504]

Great bike...very heavy.. since my wife started riding this would be to big for my need...the new 800 adventure one are in my letter for santa:) l guess im a little oldschool and dont see the need for al the new driver aids..my car is stuffed with it and thats ok... ABS are a must i guess and helps in a panic situation, the rest l think is just gadget thats cool to have. The 1200 looks so awsome cool...new headlights looks mean... Great review sir...thanks

[@deniscalvert6826]

Toby 750 totally agree too much aids which also pushes the price beyond what a bike should cost and off road no way lots of people buy these on pcp so dropping it is a very costly problem

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Toby...

[@nigelren3719]

They're trapped on boring roads in a sea of white vans. The Fidget Spinners take their mind off it.

[@billcaveny9495]

I’ve got a Mk 1.It is soooo heavy. I do struggle with a pillion and luggage. That’s the negative side of the bike. You covered all of the positives very well. Do bear in mind though, that your model does have longer travel suspension and it will dive under braking. Anyway, another great review. Thank you..👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks Bill - glad we concur!

[@spetersonmusic]

Oustanding - really interested to see what you think of that big girl. She's is *quite* a looker for an adventure bike. Just hits me as quite good looking.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes i like the looks I must say...

[@DJPTEXAS]

I don't understand why so many people complain about all the new electronics and how these newer bikes can't be worked on or are just throw aways ect... too expensive ( subjective ). Have any of you purchased a new car lately? You have to accept ( but not like ) that the motorcycle market is going the way of the automobile. I used to be able to work on my car and motorcycle with simple tools, however now forget it... you need computer diagnostic tools and some companies you have to go through the dealerships to repair and keep your warranty, they've got everyone trapped. You probably have a new fangled cell phone now and if you break down just call for a flatbed tow truck and pray that you are near a dealership that is available. That is how it is now. If you want simplicity you can buy an antique Triumph or whatever and work away till your hearts content. The good old days are gone and in reality were not always that good. I rode those bikes and it is very reassuring to be able to jump on my Keyless bike that actually starts and go on a 4 or 5 day trip with not one issue...not like the " simple " old days. same with my car get in and go..no overheating or other issues that saw a lot more cars on the side of the road in the "good old days". I guess we are not happy unless we complain and always look to the past through those rose colored glasses. I will take a modern motorcycle any day and not worry like i used to about making a long trip turn into a headache.. There are a lot of nice Harley Panheads and old Triumph TR6 Tigers around and you can still get a 1968 Camaro in great shape....go for it! ( sorry for the soapbox speech ) Great review on a great You Tube Channel !!

[@peterlewis968]

I think Triumph are on to a winner here, certainly got me interested XRT model would be my choice. When the GSA has to be changed, I will look at it closely.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for watching and for stopping by Peter - all the best - TMF

[@michaelheath8212]

As a very happy Bonneville owner (T120), I am very keen for either an XCA or GS as my next bike. Just need to get the boss to agree. Looking forward to the long term reviews of this one!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good luck with that one and thanks for watching....

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

The suspension is not really "active" in terms of damping for road use. You choose a rider mode and it chooses the damping level for you and that is it set, it is not dynamic. It does suss out your load though and sets the rear spring preload accordingly, that is why you won't find the traditional setting for rider/rider with luggage/rider with pillion etc. You can permanently change what the damping level is in the setup per rider mode if you wish. When riding, within each rider mode, e.g. road, rain etc. you can also change the damping on the fly via the joystick. Once you change it it sticks with that setting in that rider mode, even if that is not the damping setting in the bike setup and even if you switch off and restart. If you decide that is the damping setting you enjoy most for that rider mode you can set it up as such in the bike setup so it appears as the default. Again, even if your "new setting" is the default for that rider mode, if you change it on the fly the new on the fly setting is now the default for that mode unless you change it back. You mention the fork dive, it is possible the last user dropped the damping too far down for that mode you were in and yours is running soft. Go to the setup menu and "reset all" that way you will know all settings are back to factory, including damping settings per rider mode. Once you have that done, choose your rider mode of choice and then firm up the damping to suit yourself, you can pretty much eliminate the fork dive if that is your wish. When you choose a rider mode the default info screen at the bottom of your display will change to show the level of damping set in that mode automatically. By using the joystick here you are only changing this rider mode setting, if you change to another rider mode you get the damping setting from the main setup or where you last left it in that respective mode - right, you got that :-) And to be a real bore you can disassociate rider modes from damping and just choose the damping as you wish, unchanged by any rider mode change. Also, when riding normally you don't have to use the rear brake, the brakes are linked from the front lever, just use rear in an emergency or when you need maximum stopping power (virtually never). Linked brakes, correct damping setting, quickshifter = smooth ride = happy pillion. Try out the hill hold, it makes stopping on even the slightest incline much more bearable at lights, junctions etc. given the weight, you are not straining your legs keeping position which is a bonus if you are on tippy toes! Looking forward to more long term views.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Wow, thanks for that lot Terry (my head hurts!) - I agree that hill hold is a great addition, if a little unpredictable I found...

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

yes, hill hold, you just need to get the knack of it, once you do its fine. A quick sharp pull on the lever will get it every time. It's not infallible though, wet day, very steep incline and it can be tested....

[@splodge57]

Wow, there's something nice about going for a ride on a light manageable bike with simple good quality suspension, brakes, frame and tyres. It's all you need!

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

splodge 57 - it might be all you need, but is it all you want? Your light nimble bike would of been no good to me for my last two day 1000km weekend. Right tool for the job and all that. It just depends what you want it for.

[@splodge57]

Terry Cox agree... we may want more but we don't need it. Comfort and weather protection make a good touring bike but we ride whatever we enjoy.

[@smoggybiker5036]

I nearly bought a Tiger 1200, really nice bike and as you say would eat up the miles no problem. In the end I went for a Rocket 3 but it was a close run thing between the 2. Great first impressions - looking forward to 'in depth' review.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Stay tuned smoggy - lots more to come in the big tiger - thanks for watching - TMF

[@Belindaxtz660]

Hey m.flyer i've just found your fantastic channel. Thank you so much for all your clips. I'm enjoying them so much so that i actually feel like i am riding pillion with you! (Fair weather rider myself)Keep up the good work! Your verbal presentation reminds me of a pilot i once knew........

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you very much - good to have you along.....(you realise I am a pilot, right?)

[@paulfarmer8203]

I have the previous XRT model (2017). I can't justify shelling more cash out for this one. Mine does exactly what this does. These are exceptional bikes and in my opinion the best looking adventure bikes on the market. Everybody praises the GS's, but I would have my XRT over anything else.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Fair enough Paul, great when you get a bike you gel with - no need to change!

[@gopher1471]

Having owned GS, GSA and the Tiger, couldn't agree more, definitely heavier off the stand than the GS, but GSA with a full tank can be a handful too, I just tested the Tiger Sport which is lighter than all of them and at under £9650 on the road, an absolute bargain, I have a Dessert edition Tiger , personal choice, the other bikes are great but cost and seat height (29" inside leg) on GSA were the deciders there and it just looks so much better than the standard GS. Anyway ride safe :) PS weight of top box and panniers is 11kg and 16kg respectively.

[@borbonyhasbike2234]

Excellent first impressions as always! I absolutely love the way she looks. Looking forward to the long term review of this one.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks - stay tuned!

[@zippo8285]

Happy to see the channel is growing ... congrats

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks

[@jakecray5401]

What a beautiful Triumph Motorcycle. I personal think that the Triumph Tigers are the best looking adventure bikes in the adventure bike market. I see that you guys still have some snow in the UK. No snow out in Southern Arizona, sunny skies and the temperature in the high 70's or low 80's (25.6c to 25.6c)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Lucky you - where I am at the moment it’s snowing as I type (with about 4 feet on the ground)....

[@iainian]

You're not in the UK then TMF??

[@djimini3proandmotorbikesho802]

I had one and did 2 tours last year and I found it very heavy. So I went back down to a tiger 800 And I think it's jus as good even with a smaller engine.

[@raymorris952]

Johny 5 you did the right thing Johny, all this unnecessary complicated technology is only going to end in tears, when it all starts shitting itself out of warranty and you have to remorgage your house to pay the repair bill, That's if you can ride it, and your not laid up with a bad back, because you fu##ted it up pushing the heavy barstard out the garage!

[@forrestculver7301]

It really speaks to me about how easy the bike is to manage. I was next to one of these a few months ago, and looking at it, I was concerned about how I’d be able to handle it. I’m 6’1” and 250lbs. Very tempted to give this a try now.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Stay tuned for my final review on this one next Friday!

[@Xerdoz]

It's not fully active suspension. And you can make the front end quite a bit stiffer and reduce the diving by changing the setting to more towards 'sport'.

[@devathegreat]

Yay, first comment. As much as I love the 1200 engine and torque, the weight is simply too much for smaller people like me to deal with. I am 5'7 and struggled with the fully loaded explorer. So I guess that puts it out of my reach in terms of being comfortable managing this in parking lots and in awkward roadside parking angles. Beautiful bike but not for me I guess.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes I entirely agree - the weight of this machine, and specifically the way in which it carries it, is it's Achilles heel to my mind....a shame because looks and technology wise it's a lovely bike to my mind....

[@devathegreat]

I fail to understand manufacturers and their customer research teams on why they build such unwieldy machines when the majority of the markets where these bikes are sold are bustling cities and towns. Even when we do take these bikes for long rides we end up parking on mountain sides and camp sites where manoeuvring a bike of this size is simply too difficult. In this day and age of light weight materials and computer aided designs, I don't get why Triumph insist on top heavy bikes. Compare this to the GS or the Multistrada and they carry their their weight so well. The KTM or the Africa Twin is even better in that they are even more lighter without sacrificing long distance comfort or performance. Come on Triumph. We love British bikes but you have to step up.

[@paulv22]

One thing I think potential buyers should know about this bike is that the clutch on it could be a lot better. At least on mine, it engages very late in the travel and over a fairly narrow range. That coupled with the weight and high center of gravity make low speed maneuvering a bit dodgy (at least for me). Buyers should also realize that the low ride height version does not have a center stand and to aggravate that, nobody makes a rear paddock stand that works with the bike. It is very comfortable and great at long distances though. I bought mine used and I've actually decided to trade it in on a (also used) BMW R1250RS. I just found the BMW much more fun to ride while also being comfortable on a long ride. There's also a lot more aftermarket support for the BMW in terms of lighting and things like that.

[@jjy1463]

Another flawless bike presentation - thank you.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you for saying so!

[@kirkyandka7712]

I had a 2012 model bought new. Engine and gearbox good, I found the riding position uncomfortable, much preffered the Sprint I had before. Rather top heavy and generally too heavy. I believe they have put the cruise control on the left now where it should have been all along. There are a lot more electronic toys than before but I note no rear hugger. Result luggage and passenger get sprayed with crud when riding in bad weather. I traded mine in for a BM r1200rs. Love this bike, there were no tears when I said farewell to the Tiger. Nothing about the new model would tempt me back!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Interesting feedback - thanks for that (stay tuned for my long term conclusions)...

[@tomadv]

Been anticipating your review of this bike for a while. I've seen one other and they seem to have a consensus about the weight which is a big turnoff for me. It's making the 800 look like the better decision. Another great review TMF and can't wait to see more videos from you on this bike.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Plenty more to come - stay tuned!

[@Spad562]

Love my 2015 Tiger Explorer, done 30,000km in just under 2yrs. Sure they are a little top heavy, but its very manageable. I'm 5'10" and 70kg so I'm a light weight and have had it off road, nothing too crazy. It's just an excellent bike to tour on and in Oz there are plenty of long distance's to cover and plenty of dirt roads. When touring I ride fully loaded, both panniers, top box and roll bag on the pillion seat. Would I trade up to the 2018 model, I don't think so the one I've got does it all for me. Great review keep up the good work.

[@daveyoude2828]

Great review.. I have the 2017 model and fully agree with the weight issue. I've been riding my Street Twin for a month or so and when I cobwebs of the TRX on the weekend it felt like a big old bus. One issue Triumph owners have with the TRX is the position of the OEM panniers and top box. It appears to be cramped for pillion and Givi actually mount theirs differently (lower and further back). Thx again... 🏍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Dave - interesting to hear your feedback...

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

cramped for short pillions, most don't have this issue, worth testing with a pillion first though before committing to Triumph luggage.

[@wickedcoolname399]

I was just sitting on one of these a few days ago. What struck me was how top heavy it felt. Then I sat on an 800 in the XCA trim and it fit me great and it didn't feel top heavy in the least. I think if I were a Tiger customer, and I may well be, the 800 would be my choice. The only thing I liked better about the 1200 is the shaft drive versus the chain in the 800. But then I've only ever owned chain drive bikes so I guess I'm used to chain maintenance.

[@biker_dan]

Fantastic review as always, more so as I have been looking at this bike the past week, my problem is Im a short arse like yourself and wondered if the seat was lowered in this video? I would imagine that there will be a mod to drop the rear suspension a little for the shorter stature? Great review though,,, just going to check the rest of this bikes reviews,,,, Cheers Dan

[@JLOSTAFF1]

Great bike and review. Took the 800 Tiger XRT for test ride the other day - as near to perfect for me as I'm likely to get. The S1000XR has got to go now!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes I must say, I do prefer the 800 Tiger to the 1200.....

[@Dracati]

Great look in that color scheme and wire wheels! Cool little town at the end of the ride, and nice feature for the on/off heated grips, But too big to my liking, maybe the MultiStrada, and friends here seem to really like the BMW GS line. Good share! RSMF

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good to hear from you as ever - I've ridden the pants off this bike, stay tuned for my longer term conclusions soon!

[@bobvandick2546]

You had mentioned on your first ride of the Tiger 1200 that there was a lot of nose dive when braking. I commented that you should contact triumph to see if there was some adjustment for that. Another of your viewers commented to me that contacting triumph wasn’t necessary because there is a dampening adjustment for the that in the bikes software. I assumed that you could see his comment as well and was saying for you to check to see what he was talking about on the loaner you have, and to see if that indeed solves the diving issue you had when braking. Sorry about the confusion.

[@BatterseaBill]

Your on the A5. Good review, think I'll stick with me old bandit, probably the best bike in the world😋

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I am indeed...

[@derrickmurphy9988]

John Richards even though it's a while since I had one but the bandit is and was an awesome bike bulletproof comfortable and affordable.

[@djbgatekeeper]

Derrick Murphy Here here.. I have a 2016 1250 FA (Bandit with a fairing) awesome bike, powerful and economical ... two up you cant tell the difference as its got grunt for England.... I ve been looking round for a possible replacement but can find one thats a better all rounder yet 👍

[@iainian]

Great review as always...looking forward to the long term review! Ride safe especially leaving roundabouts!!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Always good to hear from you Iain and thanks for the kind words - stay tuned for the long term conclusions soon!

[@iainian]

Will do TMF :-)

[@jonboy-kb1jj]

Lovely bike mate, I just sold my 2014 Explorer and loved it, just fancied a change. Nice review, I’d have the new 1200 if I could afford it......

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good to hear of a satisfied customer!

[@johngreenaway5736]

Nice initial review. Personal jury is out on the looks (maybe its the colour) but I do like the sound of that triple. Look forward to seeing how you get on with it long term.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers John - yes I prefer the look of the red bike I saw at the NEX show, but this is the one I have to play with so that's that! Stay tuned for my long term review soon....

[@ianlawrie919]

Wow! Twelve Thousand Twelve Hundred Pounds for a Twelve Hundred cc bike. Fab vlog as always.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Sorry - slip of the tongue...

[@LexGrossmansDog]

Great review. It’s a step in the right direction, but still too top heavy. I test rode one, the tft is nice, but the joystick to me was not very intuitive and a little confusing. In the US, Triumph dealers are not many, so if you have a break down, the network is less than ideal. Except for that, and the fact the 1200gs is much more off-road worthy than any Triumph 1200 variant, I would stick with BMW. Although, I like both bikes, I personally love my KTM 1290. Yes it’s a chain, but the engine, transmission, and goodies help you eat up the miles on and off road.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers JGB - I do love the big KTMs too I must admit....just don't get on so much with the looks....all the best - TMF

[@ianchambers2731]

Looks like it rides nice, but my horrendous experience owning the older Explorer model for 16 months from new, coupled with Triumph's dreadful attitude, meant I could never consider another. New ECU, new cylinder head, new shaft drive, two new centre stands, numerous cosmetic parts, new throttle position sensor after it cut out at 45mph with a coach behind me, very expensive servicing (much more expensive than BMW)..... when the oil leaks started, I gave up. Bought a new 1200 GS (2014) and never looked back over 30k miles. Thats the bike i'd choose again.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Oh dear - sorry to hear of your bad experiences...

[@ianchambers2731]

Yeah it wasn't great! And i was a Triumph man.... I think they got new owners to do quite a bit of their testing for them when the Explorer first came out!

[@tramagacity]

Ian Chambers have a friend who is a bike mechanic and he says triumph is trouble all the time, very unreliable

[@LeeLorrie]

tramagacity I bought 2018 Ducati MT 1260 and after 140 miles started pissing out oil, front gasket on engine so shit happens. I have owned most Triumph s yes the earlier models had there issues, so have BMW GS and I'm guessing other makes have had theirs. I have been lucky I guess over years but the Ducati was a surprise 😩 safe riding buddy

[@mark161262]

Another great review I have the xrt first version only difference seems the quick shifter and tft screen must say I prefer the old screen layout keep up the good work

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you Mark - how do you find the weight and balance of the bike?

[@thebingleywheeler]

Great review as always....but leaving me torn between a second hand GSA in June or saving for a full year for the new Tiger....your long term assessment is very much anticipated as it will help cushion the horns of the dilemma I find myself upon! :-)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

You’ll defo want to watch my long term review...

[@artman6789]

another great review many thanks for that. I'm still pondering 800 Tiger v this to run from Scottish Borders to Spain and back. snowing here still so a few weeks before im trying both. safe riding Tony

[@etiennelabeille]

Tony Huggins-Haig Gallery I did that trip, but from South Devon, last year, on XrX version of the 1200. Superb. All day at touring speeds. Defo the one if you're taking a pillion. If not, then the 800 would be fine too.

[@artman6789]

cheers Steve blizarding with snow in the scottish borders so in a week or two will try them both out. many thanks T

[@MrTrek164]

It should be a great bike for the money they charge ,however I would rather take the 800 totally more practical and can munch just as many miles . I also note how heavy the depreciation is on the explorer version . I also think all these extra electronics are really taking away the home maintenance that a lot of us love doing . I rode a friends explorer and from that experience turned me off so I hope this is a big improvement. Think However I'll stick with getting a ktm .

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Stay tuned for much more on this bike soon!

[@dougie1325]

Shame about the weight distribution because I really like the look of it. For that reason alone if I were looking to buy an adventure bike I think the GS is a better option.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I 100% agree on that (unfortunately, as I really wanted to love this bike....)

[@colinburnside8725]

Nice innitial test ride. The build quality looks excellent.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes there is no faulting Triumph build quality these days, really upped their game in the last 5 years....

[@CrazyPanda688]

Taking the bike past 5K RPM might sort the noise problem ;)

[@CitybeatPaul]

Glad to see you had the mirror vibration problem that needs sorted!! Surprised you thought heated grips were good I found them useless compared to my GSA

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Actually after a while I found the integrated button a nuisance, but heat wise they were fine I thought. Thanks for watching - TMF

[@Jasonhalls]

Look forward to more vids on the bike as you have it on decent loan.

[@TheDervMan]

I’m excited about this bike as it’s the first one to at least equal the GS from a features perspective (shaft drive, cruise control, LED headlight & electric suspension). Then add to that the illuminated switch gear, electronically adjustable screen and heated rear seat I’d hope this will sell well....... only time will tell. Can’t help but feel Triumph should have an electric bike in their range now.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

The new Tiger sure is impressive on paper I agree....

[@kennynash6582]

Great review . I'm going to test 1 this week upgrade from my original 2012 exp . Quick question what camera are you using . Cheers

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Deets in the description!

[@Hooner77]

Another great video. I not sure if your aware that just like the BMW GS Triumph offers both the 1200 and 800 tiger in a low version in the XRx trim. Seat height for the 1200 is 790 - 810 mm (31 - 32 inches) and the 800 is 760 - 780 mm (29.9 - 30.7 inches). Like you I am 5' 8" with a 32 inch inseam so seat height can be a challenge. I have sat on a standard 800 and could ride it the but I feel more secure on the low version. I am going to buy a new bike this year while the tiger is on my wish list but my budget and concerns about maintenance cost puts the Suzuki V-Strom 650 at the top of the list.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF

[@mark161262]

For me it’s just right I bought the lower seat for it and it’s much better feels heavy until you get going then it’s great

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes I agree that the weight disappears when on the move, remarkably agile in fact and as I said in the review handles very well indeed for such a big machine...

[@imgoingforaride]

Seats in the high position not to hard to change settings . thinking of one of these or a gs1200 . And yes i saw your comparison. Always good to watch your channel you do a very good review.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you - very kind of you to say so!

[@goody1571]

Have you ridden the Tiger 900 yet? If so which did you prefer? I'm torn between a used 1200 Desert or a new 900 Rally Pro. Both similar price, but think I would miss the power if I went for the 900. I plan to do some light, green laning and road riding.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes I have extensively - get the 900 over a used 1200.....

[@transitTrucker]

Marvelooooous review as ever. My eldest son is dead set on the tiger 800. Will you be reviewing soon? I test rode the street triple and bought it because it corresponded exactly to your analysis. Don’t get too big headed but you were spot on. . .

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yep, rode one last week, stay tuned for my review soon!

[@tomaszchiossi6814]

Great first impression review but I think I would rather buy GS. Looking for more about this bike though.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Well you’ve come to the right place...stay tuned!

[@SteveInskip]

Thanks for the review. Just seen the group test in Bike magazine also. Interesting that Triumph are marketing this as ‘off-road friendly’ with the spiked wheels and all. The tyres don’t look like they’d carry you across a crocodile infested river-bed with any confidence! Be interesting to see what off-road you could actually manage on it. It looks more like a comfortable mile muncher to me....hence the low exhaust noise to negate fatigue. Nice looking bike! Another plus is that you could get Mrs F’s drum kit in the panniers no problem and still have space for a years supply of silk underpants (carefully folded). 😉

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

All true sir - you are very wise.....

[@ashleygwilt3313]

Great review Thanks, I had a GEN2 2017 XCX Low for 8 months, Just Traded it in for the 2018 Tiger sport. Hated the clutch as it is not adjustable, plus the weight with a pillion and the engine heat, will be intesting if they have fixed the engine heat on the left side, Love the Tiger Sport, better all round bike.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I love the Tiger Sport too - hugely underrated I reckon....

[@ashleygwilt3313]

Don't Know if its underrated, it just went under the radar due to this Adventure bike hype.

[@geoffozevans4500]

No doubt if you looked in the manual there would would be a section on how to adjust preload etv on your front suspension, probably reduce the diving somewhat. Looks a neat package you lucky bugger. Great review as usual 🖒😎

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes I’m sure there is - the dive wasn’t that terrible, just wasn’t expecting it!

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

No there isn't, preload is to adjust ride height anyway and not damping. There is damping adjustment though which will help.

[@motoventure_6938]

Another great review TMF! I was fortunate enough to test ride a XRT model a short while back (video on my channel). My thoughts are pretty much the same as yours regarding the bike. Although I never tried the quickshifter as the salesperson failed to mention it had one fitted!! The weight and nose dive never really bothered me due to me owning a Honda Crossrunner which has the same characteristics (though the nose dive is very annoying until you get used to it!). As you've got it long term and the XCA model, I hope you will test the off-road ride mode on some mild green-lanes?! You could even use the off-road riding skills Lyndon taught you while out with Toro Adventures ;) Look forward to the long term review.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for the kind words - much appreciated and stay tuned!

[@Banditmanuk]

I rode the older model, I'm 6ft 3 and even I thought the bike too big and heavy. Wet weight is going to push this bike well over a quarter of a tonne before you start loading the panniers and getting a pillion. What sort of a super-human rides these things off road? As part of the long term test will you be taking it down a green lane? Perhaps we can see why Charley Boreman sold his.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I couldn’t possibly comment!! Stay tuned ;0)

[@VeeFour]

I'm 6'1" and I find my 2015 TEX 1200 to be very stable, easy to manage and safe, even 2 up. Yes it's heavy, but once it's moving it sheds its weight and is suprisingly nimble, and with a set of Road Fives on it, I've caused many a litre sports bike pilot to double take in his mirrors when he saw that I was still with him. Off road must be a nightmare though, but then again I think I was 12 the last time that I rode off road, so what do I know.

[@richardtaylor3047]

I,m 6ft 5,who,s wants to stand still with this beaut?once its moving it feels like a 125,the weight is not an issue with me,very stable,comfy ride

[@Banditmanuk]

Edysin Simon Unsure what your talking about??

[@Belindaxtz660]

Zebedee Dougal MAGIC........ROUNDABOUT fan? I love riding in circles 😉

[@samsara3694]

Have you upgraded your cam gear - great clarity and definition. Look forward to the GS comparison.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No I haven't but glad you think it looks/sounds ok....

[@henrysmith5604]

I used to work at a Triumph dealership,when ever I looked at the explorer, Tanks are us came too mind😂

[@garethsmith808]

As always great review, keep up to good work!!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks and will do!

[@painsrides]

Someday I will have to replace the my Victory XC ....this new Tiger(the XR version) is the first and only adventure bike that has peaked my interest as a replacement....

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice one - well worth giving one a try then, may even feel light after a Victory :0)

[@painsrides]

The Tiger is a slim girl compared to the big ol' Vic. :) I actually stopped by a local Triumph dealer to see and have a sit on the new Tiger but they did not have one.....In fact, this dealer told me they aren't planning to bring any of the 1200 Tigers in because they had such poor sales on them in the past.

[@manusk40]

When you take these motorcycles out do you tell the dealership what you're doing ? Or is it just "thinking of buying one 🤔" Generally.

[@andydomanski2876]

Manus_k40 I've been watching TMF vids for a couple of years or so now and with his current level of subscribers alone I think most of the dealers know of him. I would say for them it's a good way of selling more bikes.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes, the dealers I use are fully aware of what I’m up to and for the long term tests it’s the manufacturers themselves that very kindly make the bikes available to me....

[@wickedcoolname5756]

TheMissendenFlyer I find that Triumph is really great at allowing customers leisurely test rides. Some other dealers near either don't allow test rides at all, or insist on a short ride quite near the dealership. On the other hand the Triumph dealer near me just asks that you call ahead so they can prep the bike and fill the tank, then you are free to ride it for as long as you please. Then, if you'd like to try another model they'll get the next one ready for you. Nicest people in the business around here. The Harley dealer, on the other hand, act like they're doing you a favor by allowing you to sit on a bike in the showroom. Test ride a Harley? Sure, as long as you pay for it first. I'd buy a Triumph just for the service at the dealership.

[@LeeLorrie]

Wicked Coolname Hi, I found my local Triumph dealer the same, all ways a full tank and a good 2hrs demo. The BMW dealer told me to refill the tank is that a normal thing with them? Only tried BMW once nice chaps though

[@silverarrow2558]

Good review as always... i get your point re the exhaust sound but if like me you use it for 5000 mile treks the last thing you want is a loud exhaust. i live in central london whilst its not perfect for filtering because of its size its still ok for getting around

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes that’s very true - loud exhausts on touring bikes quickly become old...

[@CockerTop]

Will you be posting a 2018 Tiger 800 XR variant review? I have seen your 2017 a bit, and I had some initial dismay (posted on your live feed from today) about the new model - but after some more research and a couple of dealer inquiries my nerves are at ease. Would love your endorsement.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes, I have a Tiger 800 video coming soon....stay tuned!

[@bobvandick2546]

You should contact triumph to see if there is an adjustment that can be made that can lessen the diving when applying the front brakes hard.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

There is, it's the electronic damping, you don't need to contact Triumph, just change it with the joystick to anyone of nine different settings. It is a clearly visible adjustment on the TFT screen, not hard or involved. If you change the rider mode the damping adjustment comes up automatically.

[@demzunoplayer]

A great review. Comprehensive and unabridged. A few suggestions for viewers. When pulling up to a stop; ease of the front brake to allow the forks to settle and stop with the foot / rear brake only. This will avoid the recoil / bounce that can throw you off or cause a stop-drop. Pull up in gear (1st) and rest with the left bum cheek to the left side and left foot flat on the ground. You can get very tired supporting the bike on tip toe. For overall ease of handling run around with only 10 litres on board. Much easier. For easy garage manoeuvring see the gadget 'easy2wheel'. $50 and very handy.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Great tips David - thanks for watching - TMF

[@petejessop]

Another 20 enjoyable minutes many thanks

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Ah thanks Pete - very kind of you!

[@randomrides]

Just a thought about the height thing, you said it would be a handful with a pillion and/or luggage. But just sat thinking about my own explorer...the weight of the pillion/luggage would squish it down a little so your not on tippy toes 😋

[@The33JAYJAY]

Well done TMF very enjoyable. I've been looking forward to this and it seems promising so far. Can you tell me what tyres are on the bike as I need a new set for my GSA. Similar bike so thought I would ask. Also were your Avons good and what mileage did you get? Thanks JJ

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

The Avons were going great until I got that flipping puncture - had about 3.5K on them at that point and no sign of wear....

[@The33JAYJAY]

Ok thanks. Are they Metzeler on the Triumph?

[@mikestewart7322]

Nice review TMF. Did you try the heated seats and grips?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Sure did, a brilliant feature of the bike and something that should be written into Euro 5 to include on all bikes being shipped to blighty!

[@loddude5706]

Whoa, get Slater's to Jota-ise the cam timing & give them to the boys in blue - should put a smile on their face : )