2019 Honda CB650R - Bargain Bike of the year?

I was lucky enough to grab a couple of weeks with the new Honda CB650R a little while back. I was a little unsure about the bike until I threw a leg over it and got it out on the road. It's certainly more than the sum of its parts, and the allure of that zingy four pot motor is addictive. Could it really be the bargain bike of 2019
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[@DavidTaylor-qn8fe]

Imaginatively presented video and fluff free, informative dialogue. Thank you.

[@mancavemoto]

Cheers David

[@simondavis741]

Excellent review with some imaginative filming and editing. A cut above the average reviews we have come to expect. Well done.

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks Simon

[@FlashMoogle]

Price-wise, it's far from a bargain but it's a beautiful bike.

[@mancavemoto]

Relative i guess, price and value are two different things

[@djups0686]

@@mancavemoto Exactly. Price:Performance Ratio. Flashmoogle, look up the Sam Vimes Boots Theory.

[@TRDBucket]

yup plenty of competition at the price point. Not a bad choice among them. Boot theory doesn't apply...

[@chriswest2290]

@Jay M cost £7700 here in the Philippines. The Mt and sv are price more closely to the us and UK counterpart. Honda seem to have a huge tarriff on this bike in Asia. 👍🏻

[@brianperry]

@Jay M I bought a CB650F in late 2016... All matt Black..At first I thought it was great but with longer ownership a bit of a niggle. the transmission sounded harsh. I took the bike to a dealer but they said there was nothing wrong, but the damage had been done ...I wasn't a 'happy bunny'. This annoyed me so much I sold it and bought a hardly used 2014 Triumph Street Triple 675R. which I have to say I should have bought the Triple in the first place. Having said that I haven't ridden the latest incarnation of the CB650 so cannot comment...I suspect a bit more R&D went into the new one.

[@dsofe4879]

In case any other 650R owners are having trouble with the dash, stick a matte screen protector on there. I got a set of 2 off ebay for $10 and it completely eliminates the glare that makes the display hard to read. Huge difference in daylight.

[@mancavemoto]

Excellent tip, thanks for sharing

[@midlifebiker7424]

Are you wearing a dark visor? Im ok with the digits, its the colours that dont stand out.

[@mancavemoto]

I was mostly wearing a transitions visor, but it was the same with a clear visor, but only on bright days

[@dsofe4879]

@@midlifebiker7424 it's hard to explain, but it makes the display actually appear brighter. I unfortunately forgot to take a picture before putting the protector on, but here's what it looks like with the protector, you can kind of see a little bit of the glare around the edges that would have made the display much harder to read: i.imgur.com/PeqSSlz.jpg Edit, I did actually find a before/after shot, here it is: i.imgur.com/VlgzGtyr.jpg

[@erdmax_]

@@dsofe4879 good man yourself. Thanks for the tip and images.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Great bike for the money. I like the always on front indicators, had them on my Africa Twin. I believe they add to the front presence of the bike and don't confuse people at all. People associate indicating with a "flashing" light and not a solid light.

[@tonebonetones]

......No, they are a remarkably stupid and dangerous idea..........a car driver glancing around quickly in heavy traffic will see an indicator and the colour orange. Stamped into his driver brain is indicators are for exactly that .....indicating direction change or hazard warning from a broken down vehicle. Always on running light indicators are a recipe for confusion and accidents where drivers often have micro seconds to assess heavy, fast traffic and make decisions second by second to drive safely.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

tonebonetones - is that a fact or just your opinion?

[@Tonyx.yt.]

@@tonebonetones bullshit, i drive over 9500km with the cb300r with the same front indicators feature and this problem NEVER happened, the only one pointed this was another motorcyclist at stoplight ask me if i had any problem and i reply that was just a normal feature of the lights. also they are one of the best looking turning lights as standard equipement, halogen bulb used by others are ugly AF in comparison

[@WildBikerBill]

I think the running lights allow motorists approaching head on at night to distinguish between a car with one headlight out and a motorcycle.

[@hooeetube]

Purchased mine on August 8th. In just a shade under three months, I'm approaching 3,000 miles on it. Absolutely love it. Best bike I've ever owned, hands down. Front signals on is required in the United States by law, so maybe they didn't want to do separate electronics for Europe. I added a tail tidy and heated grips, which are nice as it progresses to cooler weather. Great review! Enjoyed your take on it.

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks, yep it certainly surprised me

[@MrKanuista]

hooeetube how much do you pay for the insurance and which company are you getting it through? I’m planning on getting one too!

[@johnDukemaster]

Absolutely spot on! And for the same reasons I bought one for me and one for my son. (His in A2) I adjusted the light in the speedometer for a more brighter light. From factory it comes in the middle of the scale. I did 500km in 5,5 hours and I enjoyed every bit. So yes, it's a really good bike! Well done mr Cave!

[@mancavemoto]

Cheers, I didn't have an owners manual, so couldnt find a way to adjust the speedo. I'd really love to have one in the garage

[@ridehead8771]

Hi how on earth do you adjust the dash brightness???

[@vesivanov5706]

Great review!! I've been having this bike for an year by now and I agree completelly with you. Thank you

[@mancavemoto]

Great to hear!

[@DEeMONsworld]

Nice thorough review tony, having sold my Street Twin, you make a good case for what should be called the CBR Naked bike version.

[@aimenalwan]

Thanks for sharing VMC and I like how you’ve introduced some new video angles. Comparing this to my XSR700, I think the CB650 R is more than enough if you’re after a little upgrade and not the crazy power delivery of the CB1000 R. With regards to the speedo brightness, I have a feeling it might be adjustable.. 🤔

[@midlifebiker7424]

Brightness is adjustable. Even on brightest setting the colours dont stand out but the digits are clear, I live in Oz and wear dark visors.

[@ultimuneuron]

Thanks for a great review dude! Straight to the point, everything you need to know and nothing you don’t. Cool!

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks!

[@russellborn515]

Great review. I've watched some of your older reviews, well, only parts of them, because they had too much riding footage and the info/filler ratio isn't optimal. This is great, very to the point, lots of good info, well edited. I just sold my SV650 because I don't need a sport bike and am probably safer without it, now I want this Honda. Curse you!

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks

[@Carnutzjoe]

I rode a friends 2016 CBR650R last year and it is fantastic. light, fast, easy to ride. just a very nice package.

[@mancavemoto]

It’s a fun bike for sure

[@stranobikes]

Excellent review, thanks. I really like your presentation style. I 100% agree with your observation on the DRL. I had a CBR600RR in France, which had the indicators on all of the time as a DRL function. When you operated one of the indicators the DRL stayed illuminated on the side you were not indicating on. This presented other road users with a bike coming towards them showing one solid amber light and one flashing amber light. How the hell other drivers were supposed to ascertain the riders actions from a split second glance is beyond me. I thought it was a very dangerous setup and I disconnected the DRL function to just leave the headlight permanently illuminated on dipped beam, as is usual.

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks, and thanks for your feedback. I wasn't sure if I was just overthinking it.

[@rickducharme7429]

good idea.

[@vinkhuu]

Echoing some of the other comments here, really great filming and creative transitions. Thanks for the review!

[@mancavemoto]

Thank you Vincent, and no problem

[@Suzuk1r1der]

Iv ordered one can't wait for it to arrive and winter to pass

[@mancavemoto]

Nice!

[@jedblavla5206]

Great review, no pissing around just straight to the important stuff that we all want to know! Top man.

[@mancavemoto]

👍

[@glennkrick]

I love that bike high winding engine with ample torque. Not mention the beautiful side wept pipes. However the the CB1000 R only weighs 15 lbs more and has 40+ more HP. Your budget being the deciding factor.

[@mancavemoto]

Yep exactly, i'm hoping to try the CB1000r next

[@rickducharme7429]

I love that bike, but in Canada it's C$ 5400 more expensive than the 650. Too rich for my blood, (although I wish I could afford it).

[@gl6181]

Great bike. I own one after years of not riding and it has helped with the confidence build after years of not being out and about. I’ve got the quick shifter but it’s an up-shift only so no wonder you struggled downshifting.

[@mancavemoto]

:)

[@Scoottoots]

I have last years version, the 2018 CB 650F. Was going to go with the CB 650R but got a good deal on an F left in stock from last year. Love the bike for all the reasons you stated.

[@mancavemoto]

Sounds like a good deal. Thanks for the comment

[@tinks43]

Looks like a beast 👍🏻

[@mikeeger7581]

It’s a retro inspired bike and I have a 79 CM400 and the indicators are on on front at all times so it’s a 40 year old style that they are trying to make in the 19 cb 650 R R is for retro! 👍

[@BN1960]

Great review as always Tony. Lots of facts, some good thoughts and lots of good editing i.e. not just a single helmet cam that sooo many vloggers seem to think is wildly entertaining. Thumbs up.

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks Nigel

[@drfelixfarsider2346]

A fine review, thanks! A few months ago I purchased 2019 Kawasaki Z900 (black & silver w/red frame & wheels) super naked. This bike I think is also a great bargain at $8,700 USD. I enjoy it immensely.

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks! And that’s what it’s all about, loving the bike you ride and riding the bike you love!

[@frankatheboy]

Ive just bought this bike and love it I've put on a akrapovic exhaust and removed the baffle to make it extra loud and obnoxious 😂

[@mancavemoto]

Good Lad

[@rickducharme7429]

that set-up sounds too good! It also sounds great with the baffle in.

[@kb34958]

Me too. Sounds fantastic!

[@yew2bin]

It sounds great. I want one

[@mancavemoto]

👍

[@rickducharme7429]

You ought to hear it with the Akrapovic full system - after hearing that, I have to part company with Tony; it's a must have IMO.

[@lr937]

On my list.... few more weeks to go but almost there.. blue color looks awesome 😎

[@mancavemoto]

yep i like the blue

[@crazyshuttle7883]

have you gotten it ?

[@juanplus3324]

Nice review! Honda should make the 500 with round lights and inverted forks.

[@Tonyx.yt.]

right, gap between 31hp cb300r and 95hp cb650r is very wide

[@noduck5719]

Best review of this mt07 beater

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks

[@MissMan666]

Just had a 500km ride today, all kinds of roads, the ride was a blast. Love the bike. The positives are mostly whats said in the video, so let me do some negatives that are not in the video. Quality is an issue with the bike on certain parts, and i know several other owners with same issues. In general, surfaces like display, engine paint, headlight scratch very easy, especially the display, get a screen protector right away. I always thought the MT09 had poor quality plastics compared to "Hondas", nope...Honda CB650R is no better.

[@mancavemoto]

Interesting, thanks for your feedback.

[@iamcaferacer]

I love Honda’s naked bikes 👌

[@bikecommuter24]

hey.👍

[@Mr300OG]

I own the 300 version of this bike. Looking forward to getting this one ☝🏾

[@Mr300OG]

Nice angles as well!! I can only imagine how long it took you to shoot and edit all of this

[@mancavemoto]

@@Mr300OG yes it was a bit more of a task than usual. I've also now got to do at least as good of a job on my next one!

[@erdmax_]

@@mancavemoto your effort one you a subscriber. You are the first bike review/vlog channel I've subscribed too. Normally i just watch the videos. So your effort is appreciated.

[@mancavemoto]

erdmax _ thanks, that’s good to hear appreciate your taking the time to comment

[@monck55]

Thorough, informative, well shot and edited. Thinking of shifting from 750 twin to inline four - either this or Suzuki GSX-S750.

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks

[@colindeans5972]

GSXS 750 all day long, it's in another league.

[@monck552]

Test rode the Suzuki - PLENTY of smooth POWER.

[@colindeans5972]

@@monck552 Sounds way better too.

[@karlosh9286]

One of the best reviews I've seen on this. Concise and waffle free, plus with the killer line about the tyres "Stuck like the face of a 5 year old boy's to a Ferrari dealer ship's window" :) One thing, this bike has a 15.4 l tank, and range of about 200 M. The CB650F has a 17.3 l tank, range about 225 M. The CB500F has a 17.1 l tank, range about 275 M. A lack of range can be really annoying, why Honda put a smaller tank on this as compared to the other 2 bikes sure beats me. (my current bike has a range of about 150 Miles !) Also I learnt on the CB125R, and I found Honda's new display very hard to see in bright light. All that said, I do like the CB650R , I think it looks better than the other 2. I might get one as a second bike for commuting, but the range on the CB500F is tempting ...

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks, and yes the tank size is something I didn't cover in the review (i wanted to keep it relatively short). I guess it was part of the styling exercise?

[@karlosh9286]

@@mancavemoto Yeah , I agree styling exercise. It does look quite good. I suppose more time to admire it in the petrol station ? :-D

[@NirvzHD]

As a cb500f owner, if all you care about it commuting. The 500f is awesome fun, but if you want one all around bike, like what I'm looking for. This is definitely it, and I haven't even ridden one yet.

[@rickducharme7429]

@@karlosh9286 : haha!

[@michals1108]

Almost bought one but went for Versys 650 instead. Thanks for review

[@mancavemoto]

Cheers, nice bikes those Versys..

[@thomasreves3831]

Great video. I ended up purchasing a 2018 CB650F a few weeks back (in addition to my Bonneville T100). I love the bike. I believe I got an absolute bargain of $6500 CDN brand new.

[@Tashin32]

I just purchased a 2018 CB650F myself about a month and a half ago. Didn't do quite as well as you on the price, but with the mods the previous owner put on (less than 6k miles too) I think I broke even. I'm loving the bike so far, and being a first bike for me I like how it's controllable for a newbie and still has some good power in it to keep up with traffic and as I get more skilled. Hope you're enjoying yours as much as I am.

[@rickducharme7429]

You absolutely got a great buy.

[@nugget6644]

I like judging the book by its cover. I know many people don't agree with me, but when i see a bike with cheap plastic, i assume it won't run well. This bike (the cb650R) looks deluxe in my opinion. I have been in the Honda dealership and honestly, it looks better than on videos and images. It just looks expensive and quality made. I never rode it though... but i would pay money for it - for sure.

[@bikecommuter24]

Front Amber lights on, not really a big issue in my experience, here in the USA a lot of motorcycles have that feature, but then we are used to it. Honda makes a good bike, when I'm asked for a brand to recommend, I always tell them get a Honda, they might not be the fastest or most stylish but they will run and last. And I'm a Harley-Davidson rider.

[@mancavemoto]

Yeah that’s kind of what I was getting at I remember a lot of cars in the US running with amber side lights. Uk drivers aren’t used to seeing it maybe

[@bikecommuter24]

@@mancavemoto USA cars tend to have front amber and red rear indicators. here is where it gets strange on a motorcycle all turn signals are amber, but if the rear turn signals also works as a brake light or running light it has to be red, my Iron 883 the turn signals are also brake and running lights and my rear lenses are red, there is no actual tail light, now in some countries the Iron 883 does have a tail light. They even sell a kit here in the USA to put one on . LOL years ago like 1992, I had a Sportster that I put front signals on the rear so I would have brake and running lights, left the amber lens on, cop stopped me and told me I needed red lenses on it. Of course there are the riders whom just take all of that off and run a head light and tail light and the other whom put the smaller ones on all for style. But each to his-her own. the only light mods I want to make are going from bulbs to LED.

[@stephenmegel6975]

Used sportsters from the 90s are bomb proof like Toyota trucks. The Honda Shadows from that same time haven't faired as well.

[@bikecommuter24]

@@stephenmegel6975 Some truth to that Sportsters get love, used Shadows not so much. I have had several Honda motorcycles from 50cc to 650cc and most of them were good running motorcycles. Sportsters are like a Swiss army knife, you can make a cruiser, bobber, cafe racer, scrambler or even a touring bike out of them.

[@trevb464]

Great review 👍 Have owned mine for over a year now and pretty much agree with all your thoughts. I've put a matt protector on my dial and it does seem to help as others have suggested. Overall I think it's a pretty good package. Have also hit subscribe 👌 All the best Trev

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks Trev and thank you for the Sub, it is very much appreciated

[@mrtalky460]

sir, I read cb650r has rust problems. Have you noticed this with your bike? I also read the front led lights are not bright enough, is this true? Hope you can share your experience with me/us. Thx

[@trevb464]

@@mrtalky460 Not had any rust problems so far. However, I do coat all the fasteners etc with ACF50 periodically. Also, don't use my bike in the wet. Rarely ride at night so lights not an issue for me. Hope this helps. Atb Trev

[@rickducharme7429]

Well done, as usual, Tony. Here in Canada Honda has priced this bike quite low, so it truly is a bargain (i.e., C$ 9,599 - and, our peso is only US$ .75!). I'm having a hard time deciding on it and the Yam XSR 700. Last year I had a deposit on a CBX 500, and, right away went out and injured my back! Now, I appreciate how fragile and brief life on planet Earth really is. I'm better now, so now I want to have something a bit more fun. I'd like your opinion, if you have the time; and, while you're at it (if): what boots were those? I quite like them. They look comfy, and funky - in other words, just my style. Thanks a lot! Cheers from the GWN!

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks Rick, it’s a tough choice, both great bikes. I guess the only way to choose is to ride both and buy the one that makes you smile more!

[@rickducharme7429]

@@mancavemoto : Thanks, Tony What about those boots, bruh?

[@mancavemoto]

Ha! Sorry yes, they are the Roland Sands Design ‘Mojave’ Boots

[@mancavemoto]

Oh and I’m glad you’ve recovered, sounds nasty

[@rickducharme7429]

@@mancavemoto : Geeze! Fancy pants brand! Nothing but the best, eh? Seriously, I have expensive (but, good!) taste. And, I do only need the one pair...

[@fredo3816]

Great review , cheers

[@mancavemoto]

Cheers Fred

[@midlifebiker7424]

I dont have the quickshifter and we only get the restricted version in Oz. I have had a few false neutrals when riding hard, usually 3 to 4 which may be the gear lever position but it goes in 2nd attempt ok. I have taken my GF on the back, she finds the seat and pegs comfortable but we only do 1-2 hour runs. She is 5'3" and 50kg. Its ok for me on the front too at 5'11" (180cm) and 90kg, with the step up seat and std suspension settings. I have added a tail tidy and adjustable levers as clutch was a stretch and engaged at end of travel. I would like to derestrict, add QS, screen and ventura race rack.

[@mustafakhish]

MidLifeBiker how can you de restrict this bike in Oz? Looking to buy this as well. Would you recommend it?

[@TheStruggler101]

I also just got this bike and I'm from Oz. My understanding is that you need to send to ecu away for a remap and there is also a plastic restrictor in the intake which is fairly easy to remove. No idea if this can be done legally or not though as they are registered as LAMS bikes

[@Para-ni5lx]

Nice! Thanks for this review too. May i also ask what brand is your nice gloves? Thanks

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks, they are Goldtop Predators

[@Para-ni5lx]

Views from the Man Cave thanks again Sir and stay safe

[@hrcubil]

Great bike love it!!

[@mancavemoto]

yeah I enjoyed riding it

[@slickrickmotowrist1358]

I own one of these just turn ur brightness up on the led

[@mancavemoto]

If i'd had the owners manual I could probaly have worked that out ;)

[@mikichicago1200]

@@mancavemoto It is under the passengers seat

[@mancavemoto]

Not on this press bike sadly

[@TheRepairMan]

Here it is: Press and hold the SEL botyom and ignition switch to the ON position until the initial animation ends Press SET. you will see a white bar on the right hans side of the display blinking, this means that you are ready to change the brightness of your display you will all so see this: 000 you can change it intil 00000 that is the max. You are welcome my friend.

[@stevenhill6214]

Nice bike, lovely sound, don't really like the rectangular dash though.

[@mancavemoto]

Yes, I think a more open can would be interesting and the dash is functional, if a little dull

[@heidcam]

I bought one. Great wee bike. 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧

[@mancavemoto]

It certainly is

[@billbaxter3800]

Love that bike!!

[@mancavemoto]

me too

[@TheGarnerjustin73]

The cool thing about the engine is they used an older CBR600RR engine, stroked it and retuned it for midrange power. So you get all fancy engine design from a super sport in a sport bike.

[@mancavemoto]

It is a cracking little motor

[@Nawazmotorvlog]

Good brother

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks

[@davidfennessey2727]

This bike does not have down quick shifter only up that’s why you fluffed it had one for 5 months done 3600 miles swapped it 3 weeks ago for cb 1000 r it miles better dash is far clearer to see quick shifter works both ways and is smooth my 650 was always getting false neutrals brakes are miles better on 1000 I thought the 650 was a great bike until I test rode the 1000 swapped it there and then there chalk and cheese

[@mancavemoto]

That'll be why then! I'm hoping to try the 1000 at a later date. Obviously quite a different animal

[@leegingerninja]

Looks to be quite a lot of bike for just under 7 k !! 👌👌👌 I'm going to have to ask though, CB650R or Street Twin 🤔😉

[@mowler8042]

Lee Budny. aka Leegingerninja I would go test ride both

[@leegingerninja]

@@mowler8042 I already have a street twin buddy 👌👌👌 just wanted to know what Tony's view on the matter was 👍

[@mowler8042]

Lee Budny. aka Leegingerninja seems like the street triple would be more similar to compare but still you can just to test ride the Honda

[@mancavemoto]

Quite different characters, the ST has the looks and the CB the performance. If I had £7k to spend the Honda would be tempting. I’d love to do a custom build on one and see where it could go

[@leegingerninja]

@@mancavemoto cool 👌

[@theguitarhero898]

I'm a cruiser rider, but man, that bike is muscular looking for a sport style bike.

[@carlosandleon]

I'm waiting for a proper muscle cruiser like the Vmax but with footpegs set up more rear so you don't look like a parenthesis riding it. Either feet forward and hands back or feet back and arms forward lol. A Vmax with a slightly higher seat and rearsets would be amazing imo

[@rickducharme7429]

@@carlosandleon : What about the new beast triple Rocket from Triumph? That bike is wicked bad ass, and no worries. Good ergonomics, too.

[@carlosandleon]

@@rickducharme7429 yeah that's cool. but I'd like the Vmax to follow suit

[@rickducharme7429]

@@carlosandleon : I remember going down to see the Vmax when it first came out. The new model is beautifully designed, and very sophisticated in the way that Yamaha does with flagship projects, but it fell a little flat because of the progress that had been made in the interim with respect to the power made by the newer litre bikes from all around the world. I think that took a little of the shine off the project. A new Vmax is hard for me to imagine unless they were to make it more stripped down to a fighting weight compared to the one they now have (I don't even know if they are still building it?). Either way, V4s rock for sure, and Yamaha engineering is second to none! Cheers!

[@marcbowman3392]

Great review, I’m looking at this as my first bike. Taking riding lessons now with a view to getting a bike in March 2020 after passing my test. Would you recommend this as a starter bike? If so I think I’m sold

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks and yes for sure, it’d make a great first bike

[@francisdostie8835]

I bought this as my first bike, I have absolutely no regrets. It is just perfect. Im 5'11 185lb.

[@marcbowman3392]

Thanks, I best head to my local Honda dealer and get ordering then. Next Spring can’t come quick enough

[@paulgeraghty4566]

Really clear review and very much appreciated - these are starting to pop up used for around 6k euros ( I'm in france ) how did it handle in traffic?- this is 55 kilos more than i'm used to - did it ever feel heavy ? cheers

[@michaellilley6725]

Hi Paul, I've been using one for my DAS, it is heavy for it's size, not helped by my own large frame. I found slow speed manoeuvres challenging, especially as the initial throttle response is a bit jerky. I had to just allow the engine to idle, while feathering the back brake, to do the U turn and slalom. I've been using one again today in practice for my Mod 2 and must say that the feeling the throttle is not responding followed by a sudden surge, is far from confidence inspiring, especially when turning at junctions/ turn offs!! It's fine in a straight line when you can just open it up, but when trying to feather the throttle it seems like it's ALL or NOTHING!! I'm going to try another bike tomorrow, the thought of my Mod 2 in a strange town is daunting enough, without adding extra unpredictability?!!

[@paulgeraghty4566]

@@michaellilley6725 appreciate the useful feedback -i'm at a stage of life where i still enjoy a powerful motor but really appreciate a light nimble machine - i have owned many bikes in my life and live in a part of the world where 99% of the roads are twists- albeit quite busy atm.

[@kirarittberg5088]

If this is a bargain bike, the Suzuki SV650 must be a steal! After all the v twin is a nicer bike to own IMO.

[@mancavemoto]

But not to look at IMO

[@kirarittberg5088]

Views from the Man Cave Looks are a personal taste. Regardless you will only see the tail lights of the sv650s on a twisty road. The tractability of the v twin is ideal for sport riding, the smooth power delivery allows for better control coming out of corners than any four cylinder I have ridden. Have a great day ! Edit: I do like your reviews, keep them coming.

[@tonebonetones]

As an old, old school motorcyclist, I am giving it serious thought to buying a bike next year. Reasons I wouldn't buy this are your 2 'niggles', I consider to be serious flaws.......the day time running lights indicators (an accident simply waiting to happen on Britain's congested roads) and the God awful display speedo. In days of yore, we had two, big clocks. There is a reason fighter jets have clocks and dials rather than digital readouts. .....Nasa research established long ago that the info a clock gives vis a vis a digital readout can be taken in by the average human far quicker, and a quick glance at a pointer on a clock dial shows its position, literally....at a glance. ....whereas a digital readout has to be read. Fractions of a second to aid decisions can mean the difference between catastrophe and a safe landing. Not to mention the fact digital displays for the main part look cheap ....which is precisely what they are and why there are there, imo. ...... and aesthetically they look bloody awful ....even on the most expensive of bikes. I always liked the old Honda four hundred four from the mid 70's.....what a little diamond of a bike. Where is the equivalent of that, these days? This Honda, here? Well, possibly it may be around the same weight or even lighter, due to advances in engineering technology, but not with that casio calculator display.

[@mihaif6323]

Check out the cockpit of modern fighters, you won't see a clock there, but only LCDs/ LEDs.

[@jorgelopes6258]

well done video. Look a realy like you boots, what model are ? best regards form Portugal

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks they are Roland Sands Mojave boots

[@cavscout62]

Kawasaki and Suzuki should bring back equivalent bikes, a KZ650 for the modern era would be fantastic! The Z900 is sweet so do a 650 Kawasaki! Suzuki could take the GSXR750 engine and build a GS650 and make it a UJM Party! There is a big segment of riders who hate the looks of today’s bikes me included. Those of us who grew up in the UJM era miss those do it all fast reliable Japanese Motorcycles and just aren’t gonna ride the “Monkey Fucking A Football” repliracers. With the Motorcycle Industry shrinking like it is they better do something different.😎

[@rickducharme7429]

I'm a geezer from way back, and I pretty much agree with your take on modern bikes. Having said that, I do like the new Honda so-called neo cafe looks. UJM's were the bomb IMO. The new 2020 Yam Tracer 700 is probably the bike I would choose, but I live in Canada, and we don't get that bike. It's very similar to the UJM ethos. In this climate i would think they would do better with the Tracer than with the naked MT-07, but what do i know?

[@mancavemoto]

Yep I have to agree with you there. The bikes seem to be getting bigger. Not sure if its the emissions requirements that are leading to larger capacity bikes with lower power? I think triumph missed a trick but not bringing back the Tiger Cub name with a lightweight 500 adventure/scrambler.

[@jackleonard2088]

Great review, thanks!

[@mancavemoto]

Cheers

[@marvinranido9918]

this is my dream bike . i want to be with you brother hopefully your heart is willing to help me thank you.

[@mancavemoto]

You can do it!

[@crazyshuttle7883]

have you gotten it ?

[@marvinranido9918]

@@crazyshuttle7883 nope . only dream for how many year pass away until now . because this bike so expensive.

[@mohdfairouzabdulrahman6182]

Great review & nice bike..!!✌😁How tall are you? I m 5'4" (shorty) and have no idea if i can handle this bike...really love this bike..😁

[@mancavemoto]

I'm 5'10" and can easily flat foot

[@mohdfairouzabdulrahman6182]

@@mancavemoto and i might be tip toed on this bike...!!🤪😁😁

[@mancavemoto]

lol maybe

[@CM-ne4rb]

Mohd Fairouz Abdul Rahman I'm 5'5" and can tiptoe both feet. I think you can handle it.

[@mohdfairouzabdulrahman6182]

@@CM-ne4rb great..!!✌✌thanks man..!! You give me hope..😁😁

[@frederik6519]

Tried it, loved it, cant afford it.. Ill probably end up buying a cheaper mt07 instead.

[@mancavemoto]

The MT07 is a cracking bike too and fantastic value

[@progste]

The compeition is quite strong at that price point

[@mancavemoto]

It certainly is

[@NirvzHD]

Ye, if you're after power it's definitely harder to decide between this and a z900, but that's probably why Honda added on a quickshifter and abs as a package option deal. $8,900 stock is a decent price tho, considering after a year or so you could probably find one new for $8,000 if it's older stock

[@theepicgamerultimate4831]

Possibly lovedike the old Hornet or as we say across the pond 919.

[@SlingingLead]

Great review, cool bike, but I think I would go with the Yamaha XSR 700 instead.

[@mancavemoto]

Yep a great bike

[@rickducharme7429]

Actually, I'm trying to decide between the two myself. I've always favoured the XSR 700 because of it's funky looks, and the customizing possibilities. It really appeals to me, and is more my style. OTH, the Honda is really slick, and it looks original and it's very nice looking as it is. It's also faster, and it has better brakes. They're both good performers, but in different ways. Hard choice for me. Why do you prefer the Yam?

[@SlingingLead]

@@rickducharme7429 I'm glad you asked. For me it was mostly the engine, Yamaha's CP2. It is lighter, simpler and has more torque especially on the low end. The engine note on the 270 degree crank makes a magical exhaust note (with a full exhaust redo.) Like you, looks come into play for me. The XSR 700 to me is the quintessential modern standard motorcycle. It looks like a UJM, which in my mind is how motorcycles are supposed to look. The more I hear about this bike however, the more I'm not so sure which one I would buy. The brakes are better on the CB650r. The suspension is better on the CB650r. Sure, it doesn't have as much torque and it comes on later. But it isn't bad...just less. Looks were a major sticking point. That was until I saw a CB650r in silver from a British youtuber! Alas they are only available in red in the US and I can't stand red so the tank would have to be painted. I also saw a youtube video where an Akrapovic full exhaust was installed (EnglishBikerDan) and it too makes beautiful sounds when allowed to breathe. I think even with the CB650r in silver, the XSR still looks better. The brakes and suspension on the XSR could be greatly improved with the premium you pay for the CB. You couldn't go wrong with either bike. But I think the Honda has an edge out of the box.

[@rickducharme7429]

@@SlingingLead : Great! Now, after having read your comment, I'm more confused than I was to begin with! I'm in the Great White North. We get the Honda in red and in black. Isn't it always the way that they decide not to import the colour you want, no matter what? Generally, the US gets more and better choices than us, so I feel your pain. BTW, I gave the wrong price for the bike - it's C$9499, not C$9599, so we Canucks are pretty much stealing this thing compared to everybody else - another anomaly. In any event, I went back to square one, and now the Triumph Street Twin is back in the mix. I can set that bike up as I would like it for maybe a grand or so more than the XSR or the Honda. But, then I have to consider the power characteristics of the three bikes, and even with pipes, a decat ex-pipe, and a download the Street Twin is making less power than the other two, while still looking better than them. But, to me the Triumph is how a proper motorcycle is meant to look - and that's no small thing. Maybe I should have left that sleeping dog lie. I watched EnglishBikerDan's pipe video, and I've heard the 650R in anger with an Akrapovic somewhere else. and Akrapovic does magical things with every bike (including the XSR, BTW), and the Honda sounds too good. No question the Honda is better out of the box, but, strangely perhaps, that is not necessarily a big positive for me as my mindset includes fooling around with the looks of a bike. It's an expensive, but nonetheless enjoyable and satisfying endeavour for me. Also, the power characteristics and motor of the Yam are very much what I prefer to the Honda and Triumph both. But, I'm pretty sure I will spend more on the XSR than even the Triumph before I'm done if I'm being honest. The one real sticking point for me is the tiny wheelbase of the thing. I've heard that the bike gets a bit squirrelly at speed, and at my age I don't really need any unexpected cheap thrills. I've heard that the brakes on the XSR can be greatly improved with better pads and steel lines, and that the suspension is an improvement over the MT-07, so that's not a big problem for me with respect to the Honda over the Yam, but it's just another way to spend more money. Here the XSR is C$100 more than the Honda to begin with, and it rankles to be spending out the gate just to bring a bike up to snuff to begin with. Well, sorry to have turned the hose on you when you didn't even ask for a drink of water, but I'm still trying to work out my thoughts; I guess I'll have to stew a little more yet. Thanks for your thoughts, but it sounds to me as if you're pretty sure about the XSR 700. It's hard to go wrong with that bike - it's a Yam, it's cool, and it won't break the bank too much. I would like to know your thoughts about which colour you like, and what you plan to do with the thing once you get your hands on it. Best of luck to you, and Cheers!

[@SlingingLead]

@@rickducharme7429 , so now you're entering Triumph into the mix? Ooooo, that complicates things immensely. For me that would include the Street Triple R and the Speed Twin. Down south these bikes command quite a premium over the Japanese bikes though. Since you seem to like tinkering, Triumph and other aftermarket producers have about a trillion things to add to any bike. I really do like the Yamaha XSR 700. If I do buy one it will be a 2018 model in silver (British racing green not available in the US) and I will put Metzeler semi knobbies on it. And a full exhaust kit from Akropovic or Yoshimura. But then again if I can find a good deal on a Triumph...I am as confused as you are Rick. Nostrovia!

[@toofastnobrakes]

What do you think of this vs the mt-07?

[@k8for]

MOTO SPETTACOLARE !!

[@glennkrick]

It's sweet middle weight bike for sure. However The CB 1000 only weighs 12 -15 Lbs. more and has 45 more HP!

[@mancavemoto]

True

[@yobaafett]

Good A2 bike (restricted version ofcourse)?

[@mancavemoto]

Yes, I don't see why not, very easy to ride and a great bike to build into for when it can be unrestricted

[@enlightenedidiot9552]

I like it, but I won't trade my VFR800...

[@enlightenedidiot9552]

Don't forget that it's a new Honda. In other words, it's fantastic :-)

[@mancavemoto]

Yeah I get that, my friend has had an 89 VFR750 from new. Still decent to ride in 2019

[@enlightenedidiot9552]

@@mancavemoto hell yeah :) I have a 91 and an 05...

[@mancavemoto]

Flatus Antiquitous My friend switched the stock set up our for some risers and a flat handlebar. Still looks much the same, but he said its a much better ridding position, given he’s getting on a bit ;)

[@enlightenedidiot9552]

@Flatus Antiquitous I guess it depends, because I love the riding position. But that's probably be because I came off of full on sportbikes. So the VFR seems comfortable :-)

[@cloggsy1971]

The SV650 is a grand cheaper than that & yes is doesn’t produce the power of the Honda, but it’s still a cracking bike over this one?!

[@mancavemoto]

It’s good for the price, but price isn’t everything. For me the SV’s spec, performance and looks aren’t as impressive as the Honda.

[@farmoboy83]

In portugal this is at least 2000eur more expensive than the sv650...but you have 4cyl and 90hp instead os 2cyl and 75hp but i would choose the sv650 because is lighter, plenty of usuable torq down low and of corse, cheaper! I also think that long therm the design of the sv will never get old but this new modern cafe racers will probably look stranger sooner or later.

[@mancavemoto]

@@farmoboy83 Good points, i guess it depends if you want the low torque of a twin or the revs of a four cylinder. Personally I think the SV already looks a little dated. Personal opinion of course

[@rickducharme7429]

@@farmoboy83 : You may be right about the design language, but it looks pretty solid to me at the moment. I liked it last year, and I still like it. Time will tell. In any event the SV650 is a good bike, and it doesn't want for power - it has enough for a few cheap thrills and chuckles.

[@rickducharme7429]

@@mancavemoto : agree. It's time for something newer and better looking. IMO they could do a half-fairing version, and a retro style version. They've done a nice job with the Katana, but they basically just ripped-off the original design without making it look ugly. They also have a much better looking big V-Strom this year - I don't love it, but it's much better than what they had IMO.

[@Westlatitude]

At about 2:45 we see you and your jacket. What jacket is that?

[@mancavemoto]

It’s the Klim Drifter kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2m9fp1oqNOpi5Y

[@Sss12698]

The cb IMO is the nicest 600 naked you can get.....it also last forever because Honda

[@mancavemoto]

It sure is a lovely bike

[@davidtucker36]

For £6999 you can now buy a new but 2019 Vitpilen which you liked when you rode it.Which you go for and why?

[@mancavemoto]

Yes, interesting that Husky slashed the price since I reviewed the bike. A tricky question, the Honda is more practical so if it was going to be my only bike then I’d probably go for that. If however it was a second bike, then I’d go Husky, but pick the Svartpilen instead

[@davidtucker36]

I thought you might take that line. I loved the vitpilen when I rode it and prefer its look to the Swartpilen. I found suspension more compliant on country lanes than my MV F3 800. Since I am restricted to 1 bike I will just have to look for smooth roads.

[@jt3d867]

It would be great in pink,or purple , is true it is made of timber, the emperor new clothes.

[@mancavemoto]

Errrr, OK

[@19hundoc47]

Not the bargain bike of the year when compared to the MT09. 200 bucks cheaper, 20 more HP and 40 lbs lighter

[@mancavemoto]

yeah, but its not all about spec sheet numbers and I didn't say it was the ONLY bargain bike....

[@19hundoc47]

@@mancavemoto You simply said "bargain bike of the year?" And I pointed out what I thought was a slightly better one

[@mancavemoto]

Lol, true but the Honda came out this year and the MT didn’t 😉👍 😂

[@rickducharme7429]

That bike has much power. It's in a different category IMO, and it's a lot of bang for the buck.

[@Bigliever]

No problem with the display. You can change it and make it more clear for in daylight.

[@mancavemoto]

Ok, I couldn't find a way to do it....

[@Bigliever]

@@mancavemoto i found it in my manual guide. Grtz

[@mancavemoto]

@@Bigliever Ah cheers, that makes sense as i had the bike on loan from Honda I didnt have the owners manual

[@Bigliever]

@@mancavemoto Usually i never read such manual. But if you buy a dream of a bike like this you must. What did you think about the CB? Grtz

[@rickducharme7429]

@@Bigliever : good to know.

[@mrtalky460]

pause at 0.58, is this normal for the exhaust(rust?)?

[@mancavemoto]

There’s no rust (it’s a stainless steel header) there is just a bit of dirt and discolouration

[@Sol-l4i4d]

I really like the bike but hate the headlight

[@livsnjutare2705]

What? The headlight is my favourite.

[@Sol-l4i4d]

@@livsnjutare2705 no offense, it looks kinda retro :/

[@mancavemoto]

I think thats the idea....

[@Sol-l4i4d]

@@mancavemoto hhhmmm

[@Sol-l4i4d]

@@mancavemoto I like the newer type LED lights like the Yamaha mt09

[@colindeans5972]

Didn't you think the bike felt small? and that dash.....

[@mancavemoto]

Can’t say I did no, yep the dash is a bit underwhelming, although there are worse out there

[@Tashin32]

@@mancavemoto the dash on the 2018 version I have is a bit more old school and dated looking. Then again, coming from 4 wheels I kind of like having two separated displays. I think I'd like the dash on this version a bit less though.

[@patrikstunja5872]

CB650R or XSR 700? Which is overall better bike?

[@mancavemoto]

Would be an interesting comparison. Theres not much in it spec wise. the honda has a little more hp the yammie a little more torque. The honda is heavier, but it also has a bigger tank. So it'll all be about the looks and the ride preferences as they are pretty much the same price

[@NirvzHD]

Xsr700 is basically a nicer FZ07 and most people would agree this bike shits on an FZ-07. Cb650r vs fz09 might be a little better comparison despite the obvious power discrepancy

[@patrikstunja5872]

@@NirvzHD i agree, cb650r is more serious bike

[@pinoyobserver1190]

Help me out guys Cb650 or xsr700?

[@mancavemoto]

Ride both, pick the one that makes you smile the most.....simple

[@rickducharme7429]

@@mancavemoto : Hey, there's an idea; but then I would be facing what I suspect I already know: the Honda is the better bike, but the XSR is more my style. I'm hopeless!

[@mancavemoto]

Rick Ducharme Lol!

[@michaelevans1658]

Better than the Tiger given it's price Tony? What's a major service cost compared to Triumph's?

[@mancavemoto]

Obviously quite different bikes. I can take the Tiger where I wouldn’t take the Honda and arguably it’s more practical. But for a fun all round naked bike I think the Honda is a cracking deal.

[@norbertovillarealiii6750]

Is it beginner-friendly?

[@mancavemoto]

Yes I think it’d make a great first ‘big bike’

[@Tashin32]

Being a complete beginner myself (and depending on the laws where you live) I think it is a great beginner bike. I went from the Honda Renegade 250 at my MSF course straight to the 2018 version of this bike. Takes a little more learning I think on a 4cyl for starts on a hill and such since you have to get the RPMs up a bit more to avoid stalling, but it has helped me ease into riding quite well. Always test if you can, might be stuff you don't like about how it handles.

[@MedRider]

could they copy the mt09 anymore

[@mancavemoto]

I think most moden nakeds look pretty much same really...

[@BramVanhautte]

How tall are you?

[@mancavemoto]

5ft 10

[@ChanceBerryman]

Where is $10k USD a bargain

[@mancavemoto]

In the UK

[@Jumbocombo]

So is this what the nighthawk has become?

[@mancavemoto]

Yeah kind of I guess....

[@ridin_low193]

Looks like the Indian FTR-1200 kinda 🧐

[@mancavemoto]

Yeah I kinda see where you're coming from

[@FadedRambo]

could you get this restricted on an A2 license?

[@vince3573]

this bike is made for being restricted on an A2 license.

[@mancavemoto]

yep

[@trailblazeratv6306]

I would sell my NC700X DCT for one but I love my DCT

[@mancavemoto]

I've not tried it yet, i'm kinda scared i'm going to like it!

[@rickducharme7429]

@@mancavemoto : my thoughts exactly.

[@trevorbest]

I'd have to question the legality of orange running lights in the UK, AFAIK the only colour allowed is white.

[@mancavemoto]

I was surprised, but its homologated for the UK, so it must be fine?

[@thinkdunson]

it produces 80 hp @ 11k, and 43 ft-lbs peak @ 8k. it's only got about 33 ft-lbs @ 3k, and doesn't hit 40 until about 7.3k. (Cycle World) this bike costs more than a z900. that's f'king ridiculous. just get an sv650, or a z650... you'll be happier with more power and less weight, and much happier with more money for gear. look up the dyno graphs. naked bikes are about low and midrange torque. the cb650 and cb1000 do not compete in that area, at all. all the big names know how to make fun bikes. so if you don't have a personal bias, it really does come down to the numbers.

[@mancavemoto]

Yeah I hear you, but looking at numbers on spec sheet kinda misses the point of this video. Some people like low and midrange torque, some people like to get a bike singing higher up the Rev range. This bike is more fun than just plain numbers would suggest.

[@vintagerealityvr]

Coool

[@larryfishkind5387]

Great bike but over priced .. compare this to Yamahas mt-07 or even MT-09 , xsr900 or kawasaki Z900 , Suzuki gsxs 750.. I love Honda but again your not getting the best bang for your buck on this bike

[@flapdraghun7902]

The mt07 really isn't as stable as the 650r though. The Mt really feels squishy on the brakes and suspension dives way easy. The Honda is a a good middle ground for people looking for a sporty tourer or in this case a neo Cafe.

[@larryfishkind5387]

Ross Jenkins yes agreed .. but then MT-09 xsr900 Kawasaki Z900 etc

[@ThereIsNoTomorrow1994]

10k isn’t a bargain

[@mancavemoto]

10k dollars I presume? I can only speak for the UK pricing, but it can be more than just the price which makes something a bargain. It was just a question I was asking....

[@1990-t1j]

Mid-size inline fours are so horribly buzzy.

[@oskary2833]

I have a 18 650f and the buzzy issue is definitely overblown... it is slightly buzzy around 6500-7500 rarely where you ever sit

[@vintagerealityvr]

Hell yeah man I hit 9k rpms on my cb650 and by balls are vibrating. I love it. Wind her up and she tickles

[@jamesherrington5606]

Rather expensive! @ $9,000. My MT-07 was $7,600 otd. Yeah the suspension is better on the Honda but for $9k I’d rather go triumph or Ducati

[@alexandert696]

Yeah, I would pick the my too.

[@mancavemoto]

I guess it depends on where you are based....pricing seems different around the world. The comparable Ducati is the 797 and it is a £1000 more, and there's no real comparable Triumph at that price point. The MT is certainly well priced

[@RexMundi73]

Had one on loan while my bike was in the shop having some work done, i nicknamed it the turd bike, uninspiring bike for the beige brigade if you want a bike that won't make you soil your pants... this is it.

[@mancavemoto]

Not macho enough for you?

[@RexMundi73]

It's the perfect bike for the snowflakes generation and if this is the path motorcycling is heading down then it's going into oblivion I'll stick to older bikes, I wouldn't recommend that turd of a bike to anyone I'd say get the bus and save the money.

[@vintagerealityvr]

@@RexMundi73 I sent this comment to ur mum