2019 Naked Middleweight Bike Group Test | 4K

For our first group test for a while we decided to take a look at the Middleweights, more of these to come!

[@alithejumbo]

3:46 The best looking bike (Yamaha MT09 + Kawasaki Z900) 4:35 Best dashboard (KTM 790 Duke + Ducati 821) 5:23 Best overall specs (Ducati + KTM) 6:50 Smoothest riding: (Kawasaki + Yamaha) 7:57 Best break (Ducati) 8:45 Handling on the road (Duke + Kawasaki) 10:26 Track handling (Ducati) 11:58 Best engine (Yamaha) 13:15 Electronics (KTM + Ducati) 16:05 Hooligan and wheelie (KTM + Yamaha) 18:05 Price (Kawasaki + Yamaha) 21:36 Best bike overall (Duke + Ducati) 21:35 Best bike I would buy (Yamaha + Kawasaki)

[@thegrimreaper5104]

I wish the street triple was here

[@stanL9]

God bless you

[@whiskeythetwisty5564]

Thank you! So much help

[@OverBanned]

There are no words that can tell how amazing you are

[@archico01]

You just saved me tons of time

[@gavinbugg8824]

I'm really glad they put the same tires on the bikes, makes a big difference. Well done!!!

[@y_rb4080]

What you have done by fitting all of the bikes with the same tire, removes one of the greatest variable out of the equation. All reviewers should do this. Hats off to you guys

[@timjrvine]

Good idea on the tyres lads. All reviews should be done with the same tyres.

[@MrSiestaFiesta]

Why? Wouldn't it make more sense to test them as they come from the factory? Otherwise, you might as well replace all of the brake pads, oil, etc, so that they all have the same...

[@Stratocasterhead51]

@@MrSiestaFiesta Reduces the margin for error when evaluating the bikes performance. Since tyres are disposable and can be easily switched out it makes sense to have as little variables to the bikes as possible without going into the hardware. In principle you are right since they are part of the "package" but too many companies use aggressive tyres to offset any mechanical weaknesses of the bike and exploit aggressive tyres to achieve better lap times.

[@N0t4v41l4ble]

@@MrSiestaFiesta The Z900 comes with somewhat shitty Dunlops that are not even manufactured by Dunlop. Other things you mentioned are not really affecting the performance on the street that much.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

@@MrSiestaFiesta You're right, it's a valid point, though bikes can come on so many different OE tyres depending on region. And they vary so in quality, many towards the shitty variety. From a testing perspective it's unbelievably frustrating doing a group test and one of the bikes is on awful OE hoops, and the rest are decent or acceptable fare. You can feel it's capable of more but you're hamstrung by grip and can only assess the bike up to a certain point of involuntary pant staining. It really winds up the racer journos a treat! Yep, the manufacturer makes their choice and that's on them, but it's not fair on the bike. Some of the older ZX-10s came on appallingly poor OE rubber, we'd all bitch about them but they came alive whenever you stuck an AM tyre on. By that time though the group test is done, and the bike has suffered in it due to tyres. As an ideal I'd like every group test to be on a single pair of tyres. It's probably the biggest variable which affects every single other component and what it's able to deliver, so cancelling the differences out allows a more thorough examination of the bikes' capabilities. But, still important to test the bikes on whatever OE rubber that's fitted in your territory (first in launches or solo reviews) before a group outing, you're absolutely spot on and nobody will stop doing that. I guess it can affect buying decisions in some cases, what a bike rolls on. It's getting better though, especially on sporty stuff, several come on good gear out of the crate these days :-)

[@jerryp1392]

@@MrSiestaFiesta makes sense from 1 angle. Tires only last 3k to 5k miles, so it makes sense to compare with all the same tires in my opinion

[@BrianFrichette]

The comments here are so depressing. The hosts give a clear disclaimer in the beginning explaining exactly how the models were chosen, and yet probably half the comments are asking where the Street Triple, Brutale, Shiver, etc are. FFS people, just enjoy the comparison. And for all you saying [Insert Favorite Bike] would win if it were included, then why even bother watching? If your favorite bike is the best in it's class, in your mind, why watch a comparison video? Could it be vanity? You need to constantly validate what you already believe. Come on. Have some class and open your mind.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Brian Frichette Thanks Brian, it was getting a bit tedious.

[@Cryptosporidium-zu2sc]

Well said 👍

[@nickfry7705]

Glad I read this, I too, was about to start whining about the omission of my Striple (-:

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

@@BikeWorldTVshow this is one of the best reviews I've ever seen! I'm shopping the 790 & MT09. Trying to decide which to get. I'm a decent rider & want to do some wheelies power only. Can both do that or only MT09? Ive never been on track with bike doubt that I will due to costs . Thx for the info.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

@@Jesusprayerwarriorbw Thanks, sounds like the MT would be the one for you. Or you could go for the 890 Duke, let us know what you decide.

[@fprintf]

I agree with other commenters that this is one of the best reviews I've ever watched. Well done guys, I'd love to see this style and more reviews between these two men in the future!

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

There's a big one coming soon! Thanks

[@pasiutrial]

2:21 - I was already sold here. What a great approach! Kudos to you chaps. There are not many testers who actually care about properly testing gear, they just get something from a manufacturer and ride as it is, this one is a very honest real-world comparison, loving it!

[@HEATER_]

"The MT-09 has already thrown its nickers at you...." LMAO!!!!! Great review guys.. Well done!

[@mowler8042]

This has to be the most thorough review of a group of motorcycles I've ever seen....even payment plans of the bikes, wow. and insurance payments.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Cheers Marty!

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Cheers dude!

[@MFizzle777]

Totally agree.

[@CraigSmith568]

I love that you chose what you thought was the best, yet also chose which one you would buy. Not everybody buys the better bike for various reasons.

[@scandimc]

finally the monster 821 in a middleweight test!

[@JC-oj3hq]

I have been researching these 4 bikes for months, so glad I found this. Probably the best reasonable unbiased comparison I've found. Goes to show you really need to test ride. Thanks!!

[@yoorukhunt947]

Joe Costanza you do. That’s for sure.

[@nimapakzad3628]

YES. I have been waiting for a direct comparison between these bikes for so long.

[@michaelpuderramirez2331]

Absolutely, positively the best motorcycle comparison review/test of any other KZbin video. Thank you very much for bringing this to us.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Thanks Michael!

[@davidlazenby5442]

Great comparison, probably the best I've seen. Thanks

[@kleinbottled79]

Wouldn't the mt-07 and the z650 be the middleweights?

[@kleinbottled79]

As I watch this, I realize the bikes are well chosen for comparison. Reasonably close in cost and raw performance numbers. Likely to be cross shopped. Its just hard for me to think of 800-900cc machines as middleweight. In the world of 1290 Dukes I guess it's all about context.

[@scandimc]

beginner naked bikes 250cc-700cc. Middleweight nakeds 750cc-950cc. Super-nakeds 1000cc ->

[@KafkaesqueRider]

Remember that engine size is not all, if you jusge the bikes by power mt-07 and z650 stay way behind, all the engines on this comparison have 100-130 horsepower. mt-07 and z650 have 75 and 67. What I'm wondering is why the Street Triple RS 765 was not in the test, it would have totally destroy all the other bikes.

[@Stratocasterhead51]

@@KafkaesqueRider Yeah having ridden both the z650 and the z900 you cannot put them in the same category. Even if it is hard to accept that a 950cc z900 is a "middleweight" Rofl. The z650 and the mt 07 i would consider entry level bikes. Alongside things like the z400 and a yamaha R3. Z900 is much closer to a z1000 in terms of performance. Striple RS : 10.3 Grand is out of place with the rest of the bikes save the Monster. Indeed a comparison with the 821 stealth would be interesting (and one sided towards the striple). Maybe the Standard Striple would be a good match for the rest of the bikes.

[@eduardopalma5801]

@@Stratocasterhead51 Totally agree with you, funny thing is how prices change in different countries, for example, in Mexico City MT09 is more expensive than the Striple RS (MT09 $240,000 Mexican Pesos = about 13,000USD) (STriple RS 225,000 MX Pesos = 12,000USD) yet Yamaha is one of the brands who sells more bikes in the country. Also for Mexico we consider 'entry level' any small displacement bike for example, Yamaha R15 or Suzuki GSX-R150 along with Indian brands like Bajaj or TVS. z650 and mt07 are 'middle weight'. STriple RS, mt 09, monster 821, etc, are some kind of 'Light heavyweight' and anything beyond that is 'Heavy weight'.

[@the_freedom_quest]

You guys left out the best of them all, the Street Triple R. Because you knew it would smash them all.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Nothing was left out on purpose dude (ace name BTW...), pure puck of the draw!

[@nachiketmr9944]

A review made to its perfection. Its been long since i saw such an unbiased review.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

We thank you!

[@AvidEnduro]

Well done video mates!!! Kudos to you for switching out the tires, it’s never done on comparison videos but should be.

[@yonniboy1]

Why leave out the definitive and highest quality naked middleweight?, either the R or RS Street Triple.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Picked out of a hat as we said at the start of the vid.

[@Mockle07]

Bike World Haha I didn’t think you meant that literally! Nice to see a bit of a different bunch anyway.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

@@Mockle07 It was literally Michael, thanks for watching.

[@alterglobo]

THIS IS A PROPER REVIEW!!! None of that superficial baseless opinionism. And the length! Thanks. If any wish is left I would allow for more engine noise. Thanks. BTW can we help you guys starting petitions or something to have tests? I guess you want to do theses tests (who wouldn't, I would kill to be able) but can't always justify them to your bosses.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Thanks!

[@robertkennedy9618]

I thought your review was up there with the best objective no nonsense explanation on bikes I’ve ever seen. I own 2 Yamaha 2015 MT09s that have had quite a lot of mods carried out. I realised I was buying a bike to a price point and spent the money improving suspension to bring it up in standards. I really wanted that cross plane triple which is amazing. I’ve never owned or ridden the other 3 in your test but my friend owns the Kawasaki. Your comments regarding our bikes was smack on in our opinions. Well done on a great review.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Thanks Robert! Two MT-09s?! That's just plain greedy... ;-)

[@spellr1]

I would like to see an update of the Z900 with the new electronics additions and the new dash on the 2020.

[@leftymike8730]

Thanks guys! I am in the market for a naked and these were the bikes I have been looking at the most. This was hands down the most helpful video I’ve watched in any of these bikes. I was leaning towards the MT 09 and this video sealed the deal.

[@doubleaaaron]

Any reason you didn't include the street triple rs? It's an amazing bike.

[@BrianFrichette]

They said it at the beginning. They picked them out of hat.

[@DB-sd3cw]

It's a 13k bike lol

[@THEAWESOMENESS40]

To the point, easy to listen to , nice people, well-done comparisons. You have done it mate! Best Motorcycle youtube channel by far.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Thanks!

[@zemasa]

how can you do this and not look at the Street Triple wth

[@AvidEnduro]

Maybe it’s just me but the MT09 aesthetics vastly improved with those additional lights underneath. Am I the only one to think so??

[@yoorukhunt947]

Avid Enduro agreed.

[@superturka]

Yes but its freaking expensive

[@chadrichards8930]

@@superturka its the cheapest out of all of them...

[@1teem]

900cc middleweight? So how do you classify the busa? A2 licence friendly?

[@9999chippy]

Why didn't you quote insurance prices for the same area and age. Comparing different areas and ages is meaningless.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

It's just meant to give a rough idea of running costs.

[@stevenkelby2169]

@@BikeWorldTVshow Yeah but it doesn't lol. It's not comparing apples to apples.

[@GarryMcGovern]

I read your comment before I saw that bit of the video, and thought: 'nah, they couldn't have done that - that would make no sense!'. And then lo and behold, you were totally right: completely random figures thrown out bearing zero relation to the others! Probably most non-sensical bit of information I've ever seen in a video review.

[@channelofglory7738]

Same with deposits and monthly payments

[@gepixelt7712]

In austria, i'd pay 1300€ a year for a MT-09 lol

[@EdwardVarner]

I LOVE my Fz-09 but honestly any of these bikes would be a blast to ride!

[@steve-wu7jp]

Gary is classic, he knows how to market his brand! He is on everyone's KZbin channel 🤔

[@kurasenpai6923]

Actually did not expect for monthly payments and even insurance to be included.. more like this please! Keep up the great work!

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Cheers Kura!

[@WalkerKlondyke]

How are 900cc bikes considered middleweight?? Precisely when there are 650 and 700 versions of those nakeds.

[@namir1782]

i think the terminology just became outdate they refer to horsepower figures more than displacement since most of them are around a 100 HP , unlike superbikes which are around 200 ponnies

[@Tobeon2]

Yup.. That is what came to my mind too... (^~^)

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Power to weight ratios, mostly.

[@Tobeon2]

Seriously, (no pun intended), is it a U.K. thing? Even in the U.S, I do not think I have met anyone who calls 900 cc bike as middle weight. Up to 300-400 CC is small, 600 - 700 cc for middle weight, 900 cc and above for a big bike category, no? I know riding a motorcycle is a very individual thing, but riding a 900 cc bike for a city commuting seems a bit.. well.. over doing it.

[@InteractiveIdea]

Upper middle weight, but it doesn't stop with liter size either... not if you count Superduke 1290 and Monster 1200r

[@1990-t1j]

I like the look of the Ducati best. Love the L-twin engine.

[@N62INFINITY]

best middleweight bike review I've seen. well done guys 👍

[@hubert1142]

Great idea putting same tyres on all. Those s22 are amazing - my first set survived 8000kms balls to the wall riding mt10.

[@RobertOrtiz1015]

I absolutely love my z900 !!! Its the color you guys tested! Love the simplistic approach and the power is very usable everywhere! Abs is all i need !

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

All about the balance for me between all parts, it's remarkably good even if lacking some nice bells and whistles!

[@RobertOrtiz1015]

Benjamin Kubas Cronin i rented a bmw r1200rt while on vacation in Denver! It was the top of the line and i had it for a whole weekend! I must say that all the tech that the bike had were more of an annoyance to me than anything! I love going to the bike and turning key and going! On this bike ... took a 20 min show and tell from the owner just to shown me all the crap the bike had! I found myself distracted just to figure out settings! I literally got upset and just set it to a setting and never changed it the whole weekend... i think that would be the case if i buy a bike with fancy modes... i will never use any of them... waste in my opinion. I think the z900 is one of the last pure bikes like the video mentioned... in the future i will have zero options when it comes to bikes without all that tech

[@progste]

For me it's Z900, followed by the 790 Duke.

[@amancalledjames9345]

Good, thorough review, thanks - do more like this please.

[@jadebecaldo5286]

When it comes to the engine yamaha for me is the best.

[@edwinkarani5593]

Why?

[@florme6494]

Enemyofreali7y I’ve ridden the mt09 and z900... I prefer the smooth inline 4. Personal taste I guess.

[@billherman7294]

Have you ridden a twin?

[@thepsychicpeach8425]

This is an awesome review, was definitely going with the MT 09 for the Hooligan moments but my blood is green and I'm convinced on getting the Z900. 👍

[@simonthomas5367]

Would be interesting to see the end result of this test using the updated Z900 now........

[@martiisbertgelabert569]

Then you should ad the new Duke 890, and even the BMW F900R to have an accurate "nowadays offer compararion". Who would win?

[@simonthomas5367]

@@martiisbertgelabert569 Love the Duke! Not sure I could live with the BM's motor. Not too exciting by all accounts. But until I try one for myself......

[@mitchregal]

Great great vid! Best comparison of the middle nakeds so far

[@RoughRiderv4]

Loved the review, the Kawasaki feels great even though it has no electronics, one of the best of the lot! :)

[@davidblack5857]

Great review of the four bikes I'm looking at! I really was set to buy the MT09 but I'm going to go down to the Kawasaki dealer and check out the 900 first. At 70 years old I'm moving off my Goldwing and Victory CC and back to something fun.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Thanks David, mini FYI, next year's Z (2020) comes with full electronics and a TFT dash!

[@sadiqsamari]

This was a great video,it would be lovely if you guys compared some beginner naked bikes.

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Sounds like a good idea.

[@jacobbby93]

Are those fog lights on the mt09 stock? They definitely aren't here in Australia if so. They look great!

[@BrianFrichette]

Not here in the US, either

[@yrmoma]

As an MT-09 owner, that was a very fair assessment of the bike. Cheers

[@Pretency]

Unless you have the 2015 version. In which case, smoothness on the throttle!? Absolutely not!

[@bhosterman]

Probably one of my favorite presentations. Well Done.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Making us blush, cheers!

[@photographerjonathan]

This was a really good comparison review, but I am still not sure witch one I would want to own.

[@jamesdarnell8568]

Middleweights are 650cc, not 900cc. 600cc supersports are not naked. 900s and liter bikes are big bikes. I was looking for a comparison of the Z650, CB650R, SV650, MT-07 and the Trident.

[@robhobbs3938]

Before watching this I was torn between a Triumph Street Triple and a Z900... now I'm torn between a Triumph Street Triple and a Z900... Great video though, nice to hear such in-depth analysis of the Z900 !

[@fastmmw]

Kawasaki for me.

[@DifferentSpokesTV]

How does the Street Triple compare to this?

[@ryanwalker3509]

Super original comment, no one else thought or said this 100 times already. Thank you for all you add to the conversation.

[@Thomas-qk7wf]

Finally, someone saw fit to put the Monster 821 against the Duke 790. I think the 821 is the most natural bike to compare the 790 Duke to. Thanks for that.

[@FitandFabinvestor]

I wonder how the Duke 890 is?

[@marcus4619]

glad you put the same tires on all of them to test just the bikes

[@Navroze]

Since last ten years every shoot out between middle naked bikes the Ducati Monster appears in one of its form or the other... so what does one say about this iconic timeless design?

[@JustPlainBill0]

You overlooked the fact that your favorite handling bikes (821 Monster and 790 Duke) both have IMU's with cornering ABS, which could be expected to have contributed significantly to their handling prowess.

[@Lex-Rex]

This is really good. To bad the 765 R/RS didn't picked from the hat. No matter because I already own one.

[@BostonCummings]

How in the world do you do a middleweight shootout without a triumph 765?

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Er, when it doesn't get drawn out, like we said right at the start, maybe? ;-)

[@jerryp1392]

Isnt the 765 the daytona? Not a naked

[@zacharias9243]

Too small perhaps

[@BostonCummings]

@@jerryp1392 Street Triple 765 not Daytona

[@iGhost]

why is the z900 middle weight? a couple more cc's its pretty much a litre bike...

[@MZ-bl6wg]

iGhost isn't even the z1000 back? I was thinking it was SO that would make the z1000 the heavyweight . The supercharged version of the z1000 come out soon but that will be hypernaked /Supernaked class with the new Ducati v4 streetfighter, tuono Factory , superduke R and MT10

[@iGhost]

@@MZ-bl6wg that would be the h2sx version. Long distance tourer. Unless you meant the one that's gonna be unveiled on the 23rd then I don't know

[@polikalo74]

👏👏👏 well said... 950cc might as well put it in tbe litre bike class!

[@Currrn]

No Suzuki GSX-S750? For me, it's the most underrated and under-reviewed bike on the market. Absolute sleeper and a bargain, with a peach of an engine!

[@polikalo74]

Stephen you are absolutely right... i love mine. No buyers remorse at all. For those who think it does not have enough power get the revs over 6000 rpm and it pulls hard👍

[@zylko78]

Where’ve you lost street triple 765? It would be a fair comparison with the other bikes in the test!

[@enakki]

no it wouldn't be fair. 765 is much better :-P

[@Highway9mm]

Woulda been cool to see the street triple join the party.

[@lralcantara]

Yamaha hands down, Best Engine, Best Looks, Most reliable and the best value... how not to love it...

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Z900 has the best engine if you don't want vibrations grating on your nerves.

[@lralcantara]

Lifted_Above nah... Yamaha hands down... plus, MT-09 does not vibrate... its a 3 cyl... also, Moto GP success backs up Yamaha 💪🏼... respect

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@lralcantara This is why the internet suffers. I owned the Z900 the other year. I currently own a MT-09. I have the experience on both. The triple vibrates, it has a noticeable coarseness coming through the bars, triple clamps, tank, and pegs. The Z900 was butter smooth at most all RPM. And this is after both bikes have been fully and thoroughly broken in. I'll take experience over opinion any day.

[@lralcantara]

Lifted_Above dude, the internet suffers because opinions make people itchy when they don’t go their way.... you happy with your Z900?, fine... I simply would never buy one... for my taste, and that’s the only thing that matters to me, the MT-09 is better... no suffering, just my opinion...

[@kwak1k]

@@lralcantara You didn't mention vague, slightly bouncy suspension. Z900 is razor sharp

[@SpirosGlykas]

A very good test! Really enjoyed it

[@m.rraghav817]

cb650r? GSXS-750?

[@JK-kb3cr]

Bought myself a 2017 Yamaha MT-09 two years ago and I've put more than 3000 miles on it already. I love that bike. But whatever bike you choose, it's a very personal choice. I ended up with the MT-09 because I wanted something different from everything else. The crossplane 3-cylinder engine, the motard-style sitting position, the styling. I wanted something fun from my middleweight purchase, not just something for commuting. And the MT-09 delivered. Had the 790 Duke existed back then, it might've been a toss-up. But I'm thinking about getting a Duke 790 Adventure R, as my fun, middleweight offroad adventure bike-thing instead. I tried the Z900 before buying the MT-09, but I hated it. You to rev the nuts off it for anything to happen. That engine sits much better in the 900RS imo. As for the Ducati, it's just different kind of money compared to the others. Sure it's better equipped, but it's a whole lot more expensive and too much for a middleweight, naked bike imo.

[@timellis4214]

Thks....Interesting read that. Almost went for the same but liked the Triumph speed Triple in black. Perhaps not so mad as some bikes out there....A little heavier than I would like but I'm enjoying it. Economic for a 1050cc too. I know....We can't compare 1 litre bikes with the smaller ones.....but it's what I ended up with.

[@Cryptosporidium-zu2sc]

I've narrowed down my two possible choices, either the MT09, or Honda cb650R I cant wait to test ride both and make a decision

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

Cryptosporidium 137 let us know how you get on.

[@Cryptosporidium-zu2sc]

@@BikeWorldTVshow have you ridden the new Honda cb650? My biggest deciding factor is going to be which bike feels better around twisties! I want something that can handle like my r6 but loads more comfortable

[@vintagerealityvr]

I was in your same position and ended up getting the cb650r. Never once regretted my choice. The Honda is a refined, smooth, buttery, and stone solid piece of machinery. People are always talking about how important "usable power in the low RPMs" is on the yahama twins compared to the CBs 4 cylinder, but I couldn't imagine ever needing or wanting more usable power on the CB throughout the whole rev range. 👌

[@MrTrek164]

The one thing all these reviews miss out is ease of use for a pillion .

[@AnilKumar-1387]

u are on point ... nobody seemed to worry about pillion, but i will say, best pillion comfort is offered by KTM, big seat, wide, its straight and not in down angle, best for pillion i know it since i have tested it....Next best is MT09, seat is good but too short, pillion cab be accommodated but it feels cramped.... If rider and pillion both are small, then MT also feels good but still not as good as KTM.....

[@MrTrek164]

Anil Kumar My wife and I are not the smallest but we have found the ktm to work great even on 200 mile trips . It's not just the comfort for pillions it's the actual getting on an off in relation to the rear peg positions .when testing out the bikes my wife really struggled on the Kawasaki and the triumph .we also tried a Yamaha tracer which my wife could not even get on lol .Bmw f800 gt was good for a pillion also . I have top box and a larger screen with soft panniers if going on longer trips and the 790 works great and imho it only lacks at the top end by a small margin ,but in the real everyday use you do not notice .

[@karlosh2422]

And it seems unless you get a retro like one of Triumph Bonnevilles, cb1100, xsr700 or 900, z900rs the pillion seat almost needs a step ladder to get on.

[@kentbrown8308]

What's a pillion? No room for anyone else.

[@LTLT900]

Pillions should buy their own bikes!

[@samuraipizzacat2171]

Great video!! Think it's about time for another round!?! 2022 naked middleweight shootout?

[@baconbaconbobacon]

Great video and great detail on the bikes, ive had a 790 since march of last year and i picked it because it was best bang for buck, and the light weight and amazing handling really carves up the street. Just need to give it some different tyres and better looking mirrors and its good to go. (Stock exhaust while it looks meh, does give off an amazing sound so it depends on people who want to buy a different can) I did consider an MT09 and street triple but for the price of a 790 i have everything i need and no more that i can ask for. Anymore power an ill just get a sport bike instead of moving up since the duke is a daily driver that feels great and when i really do need to give it the beans it does oblige. Maybe perhaps a trade up to the 890 when it come out is in order?

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Toss in a Brutale 800, Shiver 900, Street Triple 765R, and a GSX-S750. But it's difficult to round up everything for a good test. Good decision on running the same tires across the board! I had a Z900 (non-ABS), I got a MT-09 currently. Frankly, love things about both of them. Hard to beat that butter smooth Z900 engine, it's fueling is just perfect as stock. MT-09 suspension frustrates me for opposite reasons the Z900 frustrated me. Flabby and soggy vs. overly harsh and bucky. Both bikes really need a few thousand thrown in the aftermarket to really make them beautiful. MT-09 engine vibrates kind of unpleasantly (although tolerable) as compared the buttery Z900.

[@damian2001111111]

Fuel consumption and seat height is also important from my perspective as im short rider.Thanks so much for your brilliant Test.

[@andrecastanheira8896]

In that case you have to go to the Ducati.

[@petererlandsen2805]

Where is Triumph street triple, its not new for 2019 but what’s new about mt09, afraid it would stand out too much?

[@BikeWorldTVshow]

peter erlandsen We explain the bike choices at the start of the vid Peter, we love Triumph but it wasn’t picked.

[@Thunderous71]

Have to say 2 years on the MT-09 20k+ on the clock I still love it... even the stock exhaust which I did swap out is great. Should of saved the money and kept it on. Will say this at legal motorway speeds it is fine but above my word is it a work out for your neck!

[@Levchukkostya]

I installed the oem windscreen and boy does it make a difference. Though I gotta say that it does take away far more from the aesthetic appeal than I've anticipated.

[@Pretency]

I find the air pressure makes a LOT of difference. 110mph is pretty comfortable.

[@njminer]

Excellent review! One of the best overall comparisons I've seen. The only thing that might have been worth mentioning is if there are significant differences in maintenance costs. The sad thing is that over here in the US, the the Ducati Monster (standard) 821 jumps up to $12k and the KTM is $10.5k while the MT-09 is $9k and the Z900 is $8.4k. That makes the decision a lot easier for me. Oh and for those sods who were disappointed that their bike wasn't included, they should just do a little homework. There are other reviews that include them with variations of the bikes you reviewed. This was a great selection for those who understand the difference between triples vs twins vs four cylinders.

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Thanks very much!

[@LifeOnTwoWheels]

where is the street triple rs?

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Pretty sure I explained at the start! Even if Triumph would had been picked it wouldn't be the RS, it would be the stock version. The RS belongs in a test against SP and RR variants.

[@madar427]

This review was one of the best for me that I've seen recently.

[@markguerin701]

Is that tractor in the background a Fergenson T0-30 or a Ford 9-N. ?

[@andyl344]

Over 3500 miles on my Z900 so far this summer and I have no complaints other than the rock hard seat.

[@HeinzLammerding08]

Change that seat before you lose your arse lol

[@adrianrice354]

wish we had your insurance prices here in Ontario Canada .. I pay double your most expensive for basic insurance on 900 cruiser, Great video lots of good info and looks to be honest opinions .

[@SamIAm-kz4hg]

Yeah. I was on the phone with my insurance for probably 3/4 of an hour before the agent realized that they don't insure my FZ-09. I had to go elsewhere. Dude, I'm over 50. What are they thinking?

[@laurencevanpuyvelde7159]

Where is the Triumph street triple rs??

[@jerryp1392]

That's a 636.

[@laurencevanpuyvelde7159]

@@jerryp1392 what u mean?

[@jerryp1392]

@@laurencevanpuyvelde7159 too small, I need to research more on triumphs, I think they make a street triple 765. Not sure. I thought the 765 was the Daytona. The original street triple is a 636 I believe. Too small for this comparison.

[@laurencevanpuyvelde7159]

@@jerryp1392 well the Triumph street triple 765 rs its a middleweight naked motorcycle, and in my opinion the best of his class.

[@jerryp1392]

@@laurencevanpuyvelde7159 sounds awesome. I'd mod out the mt09 with ohlines front fork inserts, and the exhaust. I think these motorcycle shops should adjust the suspension to the buyers weight like they do with mtbs.

[@DatsmyBoyOfficial]

how about the honda cb650r?...

[@karlvtr9632]

Super test but where is Honda cb650r ??

[@BrianFrichette]

At the bottom of virtually any list

[@s.p.9582]

Great job guys! Excellent breakdowns and insights 😉😎

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

Cheers!

[@jhstony]

That was a brilliant review video thanks very much guys.... loved watching this....please do more videos together

[@Tripleb6036]

Brilliant review. I'm so tempted to get one of these for a bit of fun. I think next year's Z900 has added an electronics package. The only one that doesn't interest me is the Ducati. Gonna have to test ride the other 3.

[@drfelixfarsider2346]

🤔.....well, keep ur knickers up everyone - this was a ‘pretty good’ video, with the glaring exception of not having just one more bike included.... the TRIUMPH 765 Street Triple. For me, I own the KAWASAKI Z900 (the exact stunning red frame/red wheels model as included in this comparo), and love the bike. All these bikes are cool.

[@caskstrength7629]

Which bike would you pick when 1.87 mtr length? Nice review 👍

[@robstone4537]

I agree with his comments about not noticing the lack of electronics on the Z900. I have been riding for over 30 years and currently own a Z900 and don’t feel the need for electronics. I live in Australia and use it as a daily computer with occasional weekend rides with the wife on the back and only ride in dry weather. Maybe also because I am 50 and don’t drive like a hooligan anymore, but 20 year old me survived an RD350lc with no electronics.

[@rrobotman]

When I started riding the Kawasaki 900 (the OG ) had just been released and 750 was the big bike marker. Now these are middleweight rides and there are so many types and rides available in all capacities the choices are endless. So much has changed but the thing that remains is the grin you get when riding!

[@benjaminkubascronin3082]

The Z is actually 943cc, a mere 100cc less than the Z1000! The term 'middleweight' now refers to bikes 700cc and above, really.

[@theRealFaceCap1]

Where was the Suzuki GSX-S750?!?! 😢

[@BernardSolomon]

In my garage.

[@jimperry4420]

In my garage too!

[@polikalo74]

In my garage three lol

[@boostingaddict]

Stil in the hat..

[@submissions72]

Does the Mt09 come standard with the extra lights? Cause in USA we don't get shit extra. But it's probably more money in Europe anyway.

[@IrnMaiden304]

I think what's more interesting is that the Z900 is cheaper insurance on a bike with less safety features ( anti wheelie and such besides abs )

[@CandEAdventures]

Great review guys! This is my segment, reasonable prices, and great street performance. But for the love of all that is holy will the insect design look go away.

[@karlosh9286]

I am a Triumph modern classics fan (not really this segment of bikes) , the Honda CB650R , Kawasaki Z900RS and Yamaha XSR-700 , XSR-900 all look quite good and not "insecty" :)

[@BrianFrichette]

Home slice, if you don't like the insect look of the MT-09, just get the XSR900. As for the KTM... Can't really help you there. They all look like insects.

[@danthemaintenanceman]

This was an excellent honest review, thank you!

[@Bornie205]

Why no Triumph?

[@crewe99]

That pub garden with the tractor looks awfully familiar. Where did you film that?

[@robzz9002]

Tom C pretty sure they were riding the B4039 and B4040 between Castle Combe and Old Sodbury.

[@speedy_blondy]

wait.. does the insurance comes with different prices according to the age ? only in the UK ? or all over the world ?