2019 Santa Clara Vanguard Drumline || 2006 Phantom Regiment Drumline Aged Out Reacts with Dan Schack

The hosts of The Aged Out Podcast, Mike Fantini and Evan Worrell, react to the 2019 Santa Clara Vanguard drumline and the 2006 Phantom Regiment drumline with Dan Schack.
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[@DrumlineAV]

You guys are allowed to use all my videos for reaction vids! For real! Use em! Love this kind of content fellas!

[@agedoutpodcast]

Thanks man! Truly appreciated.

[@PaddricRyan]

I was in quite a few Rennick snarelines in the early 00s (02-04, both UNT and DCI). We were taught to play through the drum, but rarely to downstroke. We want to guide the rebound of the stick with our hands (never letting your fingers fly off the sticks - instead your hands sort of follow the stick) and to get enough rebound, you have to play into the head. He used to tell us to play as though the drumhead was two inches lower than it was. Does that make sense? He wanted a full, strong sound without death gripping the sticks or beating the crap out of the drum. We had a great sound in 03 and 04. Though 04 wasn't as clean as 03. lol

[@traviss7740]

6:30 In my experience, Rennick doesn't really tell players how hard to hit the drum or make comments about technique once the season has begun. I think he focuses more on the music and getting the line to mesh together. The sound quality seems to change from year to year. I think it largely depends on who the center is for each section. Usually the sound works it's way out from there. I think 2006 had such a beefy sound because Joe House was center and his technique, IMO, is how it should be. Super relaxed, big beefy sound produced by the weight of the hand and whole arm. The quads sounded so damn good in 2006 as well.

[@raikwongreen12]

Joe House is beast man, cool thing he’s from my area in Louisiana and from what was told he had a great touch.

[@Uncle_Yam]

To me that sounds so crazy - I couldn't imagine what that would look like over the summer - most of the comments when I'm teaching have to do with technique, I don't really know what to say when it comes to meshing together other than "listen in"

[@steezzeestang1546]

@@Uncle_Yam I know right… most drumline teachers are constantly tweaking technique or stick heights. At that level, it’s more of blending the sounds of each section as a whole and with the entire band/ensemble.

[@paddric_ryan]

Joe House was great from the beginning. We marched together 02-04. He was 16 when we marched crown in 02, and he just kept getting better. We definitely did not talk about getting the most volume out of the drum at every dynamic level; nor did we play as light as we could at every level. We were taught to get the appropriate amount of rebound at every dynamic. Call it velocity if you want, but we kind of thought of ourselves as like a Stone/Moeller hybrid. You wanted enough rebound to get the stick to the next note. It was always about smoothly connecting notes and playing with dynamic contrast. Also yes... I feel like when we played over our heads it was a lot louder than it is now... lol

[@thebencommandments1286]

The "big jacked dude" on quads is the drum tech at my school. Every rehearsal was about playing extremely low inner beats with firm, not loud, accents. His philosophy was that as long as our playing was clean it didn't need to be loud. Our music was also written Rennick style with lots of interplay between the snares and quads. It honestly made it easier to find the perfect dynamic balance throughout the show.

[@sandromonte4753]

What school you go to?

[@gavin_bigred]

I absolutely love the way that rennick tunes his tenors they ring so long and it just sounds immaculate

[@clarkfitzgerald8814]

Pretty sure the quad section leader at Boston wrote 2019's tenor feature so yes, Colin does let the kids have some influence. Great video guys, keep it up!

[@freshprince1784]

I can confirm this.

[@izzydrums9447]

Fun fact! The quad section leader for phantom 2006 was the percussion director at my school! Really cool guy!

[@whatthehellisthis0505]

That's rad bro ☺️. I have a few quint 🥁 cadence's on my channel: drumcorps0junkie Latin funk Birthday magic

[@traviss7740]

16:42 That's so funny man... I find myself singing this one part all the time. Probably everyday for the past decade lol. Such good writing.

[@EEEAYKE]

14:49 "like, what.... MIKE, PAUSE IT NOW" I love when players geek out over their craft. Super good stuff

[@Mergician]

I can back up the 7:17 comment about soft vs. hard volume. In Madison I remember the typical teaching of playing through the head at 3 in heights. Then in school (UNT) Paul was all about how soft is soft, piano is supposed to be piano, and dynamics always wins the day. Of course, the amount of PASIC victories leading up to that point also served as evidence of that argument about dynamics. After following Paul to Phantom, I also learned that we were a battery that definitely prioritized the front fulcrum more than other lines, regardless of heights/dynamics. You'd be hard-pressed to find a drummer in a Rennick battery with their index fingers hanging off the stick. Of course, this also leads to the typical bad habit of the pinky hanging off. Maybe someone should scour Rennick vids of battery drummers with loose pinkies? haha (I'm pretty sure I wasn't one? Maybe not? :P)

[@amielorpiano4031]

wow - the 06 regiment video... my friend filmed this on a camcorder and i converted it to digital for him.. when i first heard it i was amazed on how clean they were.. i would watch it numerous times - glad it made its way to yall.. love the videos

[@agedoutpodcast]

One of my all time favorite drumlines. It has everything you need. Musicality, aggressions, killer tuning, and the clarity is incredible. -Evan

[@EEEAYKE]

This has been leagues more interesting and informative than videos released by corps/groups

[@chutdigadut]

"Electric wheelchair vibes" lol

[@jackekstrand8781]

Great work! Love the podcast!

[@aleccarriedo5634]

Love this series! Keep it up!

[@agedoutpodcast]

Thanks! Definitely planning on it.

[@Duzzzzzz]

Hey great videos guys, I used to watch your guys a lot when I was practicing to get into drum corps. keep grinding

[@agedoutpodcast]

Thanks! We appreciate the support.

[@arQerlovesgigibear]

8:36 tone difference? you can get that with snare. just check out cavaliers 2018. just gotta remember to not tune them, lol.

[@ericnunnellee6024]

9:35 one snare was sick for this show

[@chrisdorsey7436]

there’s no chance i just casually found fantini

[@cadenm.9386]

2018 Scv is and will always be the greatest

[@Ridebmx34521]

You guys need to do Jason’s Phantom 2010 finals lot video with Jrod

[@Mergician]

Oh my God, yes. I’m willing to say that this Phantom 2010 vid in question is perhaps in the top 3 lot videos I’ve ever seen on KZbin (to me, a bold statement - it’s definitely the most to “nerd off” about). But a number reasons back up this statement: The drumline is already the favorite to win going into prelims while the rest of the corps is clearly not going to be in the top 5 (drumline broke 19 points in freaking Allentown prior); this is Rennick’s last year at Regiment and arguably the last time they had a killer quality line (let alone the last time they won drums); the Marine Corps’ Commandant’s Own drummers and the Hellcats drummers are literally in the lot crowd hyping them in this vid; and in the middle of their lot show the Santa Clara Vanguard hornline passes right behind them to the field for performance - showcasing the literal uniform that almost the entire membership of the 2010 Regiment drummers who march the next season end up putting on (none of them put the white uniform back on). To have fun with, Vanguard’s hornline added some foreshadowing to this drumline during their magic. In short - SO MUCH is going on in this video that it has to be noted and appreciated!

[@maxruffino22]

Fr tho after bd switched to system blue nothing was the same 😔

[@Jelly88875]

Despite some ticks I really liked this book that year

[@agedoutpodcast]

Yea. I enjoyed the writing too. But I always enjoy Paul’s writing 😂

[@rhat1234]

Do scv 2004 !

[@sodanomusic]

18:03 HayyySoooos!

[@willtangwu]

(Just my opinion) but I don't think the name brand of the drum makes the difference ya know? Seeing how Vanguard has won Perc 15 times and Blue Devils 13, haha... but that Pearl comment made me look it up because I was like...🤨wait, WHAT? No...😅 I think you made that comment more towards BD winning on Pearl but it's the same for them too! ...don't forget, BD won drums in Finals in 2019. SCV still got the Fred Sanford because they won the 1st 2 shows and it's best out of 3 but yeah. Name brand is only half the battle (G.I. Joe 👊🏾) and I like Pearl too! 👍🏾

[@whatthehellisthis0505]

Can you do a electric wheelchair year comparison please. 14:62 05 cadets 93 06 phantom 96 2003vs2010 95 bd 06 88 scouts 99 04 vs 2013 02 cavalier 06 89 scv 99 2013 carolina 👑 vs 2016 🔵 🧥 71 Anaheim Kingsmen vs 72 sc vanguard 2003 bd 🛒 spree vs 92 scv 🛒 spree 13th hour vs ditty Scv Martian mambo vs 🔵 knights square pusher Scv spanks vs latin lover That's just a few I thought about.

[@agedoutpodcast]

We’ve got a shortlist of stuff we already have planned but we always consider suggestions. Thanks! We’ll add it to the list.

[@rosshoppus333]

Ya’ll need to give more love to bass. It’s 5 kids playing one part. I think it’s harder than playing “clean”.

[@lmaoitsmee1812]

System Blues feel and sound like dogpoo. Lol

[@whatthehellisthis0505]

Examples please...

[@CDT31193]

Either I’m tripping, or BD won drums at finals...not this line

[@agedoutpodcast]

BD may have won finals night but did they win the drum trophy? I’m not sure. Have to check

[@missmetoo969]

07 was better

[@zavenrutman]

Ok harder isn't better, I feel like you guys think you're better than modern groups because you played "harder" stuff. There's no reason to play hard nonsense that just sounds like noise from the box. That also applys to the drill, there's no reason for the battery to be running around behind everything. They may have had easier drill than you but they interacted with the props in a really cool way, and in their closer feature they did a follow the leader flat front in a circle around one of the props. Also, they win percussion because they are the best line in dci not because they strategize better than other groups. I don't think their design staff sits there and thinks about how they can ensure the percussion trophy. It's about the whole corp. And again harder isn't better.

[@ArnyT12329]

Although I do agree that scv is the best drumline without a doubt, they definitely do strategize. In a way they have certain philosophies, approaches, mentalities and overall methodologies that have led them to being not only the cleanest but winners when it comes to the drum caption. For example Paul Rennick has massive influence within the design team. He’ll often force drumline exposure not only musically but visually as well. This is why scv comparatively to other corps has a lot more drum exposure. I think 2018 and 2019 scv are the biggest examples of this but looking at any other Rennick battery line will tell you that. As for visually, the battery will be staged close to the front and are kept from doing any extreme body or choreography. They’re also typically given less demanding drill in order to help with the cleanliness of the music like you mentioned. That itself is a strategy that they actively used to help them win drums. Furthermore, Paul Rennick’s very selective audition method which prioritizes seeking out the most talented players in which the audition isn’t a stagnant exercise book but rather a trial of exercise variations that are different each year. His philosophy and approach to the players are also critical to the cleanliness of his lines. He prioritizes cleanliness and good sound quality above all and not arbitrary visual technique aspects the way other corps do. With this, he emphasizes balancing, blending and overall just listening inside and playing what you hear. This coincides with his writing which isn’t as hard as other top drumlines. However, the combination of segmentation, interweaving of sections and cleanliness has the illusory effect of difficulty and creates so much musicality. Although people say scv’s music isn’t hard, I’d argue the fact that most of those people couldn’t touch the level of musicianship these players exude through Rennick’s books. The music may not be as super hard but it’s challenging and competitive. This philosophy also somewhat gears towards the warmups as well. Paul Rennick avoids choppy, difficult flashy warm up etudes and sticks to the basic essentials. This is done in order to actually warm up the hands instead of just being flashy, and to pace mental energy and chops prioritizing the book and therefore the show, rather than throwing a lot of it away at a lot etude the way other drumlines do. So with the combination of show design influence, composing styles, audition methods, playing approach and even more aspects such as culture and mentality, there is definitely a lot of strategizing going on that gears them up to be the best drumline. Tbh this applies to many things in life. People are the best at things because they strategize for it. Like sports teams or businesses.